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Magnus Amadeuss Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 562	Posted - 2014.03.16 20:13:00 - [1] - Quote Now of course large differences in stamina and recovery do make appreciable differences, this can be seen when going from a heavy suit to a scout suit (aside from the raw speed difference.) The question is though, among suits of the same class, what difference does it actually make?? So to illustrate what kind of differences stamina makes for suits, I figured I could throw a few pictures at you guys. Here is the stamina levels of our scout with various amounts of cardiac mods on them: Stamina Stamina Recovery Wow looks like that bonus makes a pretty big difference doesn't it? Here is the difference those bars actually make: Clicky Why choose a marathon run? Well, it is the most demanding activity that you could do constantly involving both stamina and recovery. As both jumping and melee involve percentages of you stamina, rather than amounts, there is no reason to involve those activities. Believe me when I say there is no fairer way to compare stamina and recharge values as they apply in-game. In the end though, you be the judge. Is the bonus useful? While there is no better place to be wealthy than the Gallente Federation, there is no hell worse for the poor either.
DozersMouse XIII Ultramarine Corp 162	Posted - 2014.03.16 20:17:00 - [2] - Quote if you play like I do stamina and regen is my number 1 priority under stealth Bacon pancakes makin' bacon pancakes Take some bacon and I'll put it a pancake Bacon pancakes thats what it's gonna make
Magnus Amadeuss Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 562	Posted - 2014.03.16 20:43:00 - [3] - Quote DozersMouse XIII wrote: if you play like I do stamina and regen is my number 1 priority under stealth What does this even mean? IF you look above, you can see that at no time will the amarrian suit's bonus help out in those regards. As far as jumping is concerned, the amarrian suit is the worst, as it takes longer to refill percentages of it's stamina pool than any other scout, so it is horrible for that. Sprinting, the chart shows that it is still lagging behind both the gallente and caldari scouts, not tp mention being crushed by the minmatar. Melee'ing? See jumping. If you really do care about stamina, you care about the effectiveness of your stamina too. The amarr suit is the worst of the scouts from a stamina effectiveness perspective. While there is no better place to be wealthy than the Gallente Federation, there is no hell worse for the poor either.
DozersMouse XIII Ultramarine Corp 164	Posted - 2014.03.16 20:47:00 - [4] - Quote Magnus Amadeuss wrote: DozersMouse XIII wrote: if you play like I do stamina and regen is my number 1 priority under stealth What does this even mean? IF you look above, you can see that at no time will the amarrian suit's bonus help out in those regards. As far as jumping is concerned, the amarrian suit is the worst, as it takes longer to refill percentages of it's stamina pool than any other scout, so it is horrible for that. Sprinting, the chart shows that it is still lagging behind both the gallente and caldari scouts, not tp mention being crushed by the minmatar. Melee'ing? See jumping. If you really do care about stamina, you care about the effectiveness of your stamina too. The amarr suit is the worst of the scouts from a stamina effectiveness perspective. well im not amarr im gallente and im speaking from a gallente SCOUT prospective Bacon pancakes makin' bacon pancakes Take some bacon and I'll put it a pancake Bacon pancakes thats what it's gonna make
DozersMouse XIII Ultramarine Corp 164	Posted - 2014.03.16 20:53:00 - [5] - Quote im also speaking from playing scout my whole DUST career you guys arent gonna quit until the amarr scout is OP and has bonuses to every aspect of the suit Bacon pancakes makin' bacon pancakes Take some bacon and I'll put it a pancake Bacon pancakes thats what it's gonna make
Joel II X Dah Gods O Bacon 1696	Posted - 2014.03.16 20:55:00 - [6] - Quote My worth: Speed > Stamina If you're slow and can't get to cover as a scout, you're doing it wrong.
Magnus Amadeuss Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 564	Posted - 2014.03.16 21:03:00 - [7] - Quote DozersMouse XIII wrote: im also speaking from playing scout my whole DUST career you guys arent gonna quit until the amarr scout is OP and has bonuses to every aspect of the suit Dude just prove me wrong. I am not asking for "a feeling" or "experience" or "a trick knee." Just prove me wrong. You can't, so now you QQ. I do enjoy the tears. While there is no better place to be wealthy than the Gallente Federation, there is no hell worse for the poor either.
DozersMouse XIII Ultramarine Corp 165	Posted - 2014.03.16 21:08:00 - [8] - Quote Magnus Amadeuss wrote: DozersMouse XIII wrote: im also speaking from playing scout my whole DUST career you guys arent gonna quit until the amarr scout is OP and has bonuses to every aspect of the suit Dude just prove me wrong. I am not asking for "a feeling" or "experience" or "a trick knee." Just prove me wrong. You can't, so now you QQ. I do enjoy the tears. no QQ when 1.8 hits I have an account set up with 9 mill unallocated SP just for this scout and I will fit it properly and wreck ass with it no matter what you think of its bonuses Bacon pancakes makin' bacon pancakes Take some bacon and I'll put it a pancake Bacon pancakes thats what it's gonna make
Zirzo Valcyn Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 226	Posted - 2014.03.16 21:10:00 - [9] - Quote i' would trade my minass bonus for the amarr scout bonus. stamina is way under rated u can ban the troll out of the forums but u can't ban the forums out of the troll. forum warrior .189
Derrith Erador The Panty Pugilists 1300	Posted - 2014.03.16 21:12:00 - [10] - Quote DozersMouse XIII wrote: Magnus Amadeuss wrote: DozersMouse XIII wrote: im also speaking from playing scout my whole DUST career you guys arent gonna quit until the amarr scout is OP and has bonuses to every aspect of the suit Dude just prove me wrong. I am not asking for "a feeling" or "experience" or "a trick knee." Just prove me wrong. You can't, so now you QQ. I do enjoy the tears. no QQ when 1.8 hits I have an account set up with 9 mill unallocated SP just for this scout and I will fit it properly and wreck ass with it no matter what you think of its bonuses I'm not asking for the amarr scout to be OP. I'm asking that its bonus for stamina regen actually be better. A hobo scout gets more regen than us, and we're the stamina experts, I'm not saying they need to nerf this or that, just that our specialty should be that, ours. The lone monk who traverses the treacherous worlds of New Eden in search of panty dropper songs. Amarrican to the core.

DozersMouse XIII Ultramarine Corp 167	Posted - 2014.03.16 21:15:00 - [11] - Quote Derrith Erador wrote: DozersMouse XIII wrote: Magnus Amadeuss wrote: DozersMouse XIII wrote: im also speaking from playing scout my whole DUST career you guys arent gonna quit until the amarr scout is OP and has bonuses to every aspect of the suit Dude just prove me wrong. I am not asking for "a feeling" or "experience" or "a trick knee." Just prove me wrong. You can't, so now you QQ. I do enjoy the tears. no QQ when 1.8 hits I have an account set up with 9 mill unallocated SP just for this scout and I will fit it properly and wreck ass with it no matter what you think of its bonuses I'm not asking for the amarr scout to be OP. I'm asking that its bonus for stamina regen actually be better. A hobo scout gets more regen than us, and we're the stamina experts, I'm not saying they need to nerf this or that, just that our specialty should be that, ours. 15% to max stamina and 5% to regen per level this is almost a complex mod Bacon pancakes makin' bacon pancakes Take some bacon and I'll put it a pancake Bacon pancakes thats what it's gonna make
Derrith Erador The Panty Pugilists 1300	Posted - 2014.03.16 21:18:00 - [12] - Quote DozersMouse XIII wrote: Derrith Erador wrote: DozersMouse XIII wrote: Magnus Amadeuss wrote: DozersMouse XIII wrote: im also speaking from playing scout my whole DUST career you guys arent gonna quit until the amarr scout is OP and has bonuses to every aspect of the suit Dude just prove me wrong. I am not asking for "a feeling" or "experience" or "a trick knee." Just prove me wrong. You can't, so now you QQ. I do enjoy the tears. no QQ when 1.8 hits I have an account set up with 9 mill unallocated SP just for this scout and I will fit it properly and wreck ass with it no matter what you think of its bonuses I'm not asking for the amarr scout to be OP. I'm asking that its bonus for stamina regen actually be better. A hobo scout gets more regen than us, and we're the stamina experts, I'm not saying they need to nerf this or that, just that our specialty should be that, ours. 15% to max stamina and 5% to regen per level this is almost a complex mod actually that's pretty good. The lone monk who traverses the treacherous worlds of New Eden in search of panty dropper songs. Amarrican to the core.
Magnus Amadeuss Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 565	Posted - 2014.03.16 21:22:00 - [13] - Quote DozersMouse XIII wrote: Derrith Erador wrote: DozersMouse XIII wrote: Magnus Amadeuss wrote: DozersMouse XIII wrote: im also speaking from playing scout my whole DUST career you guys arent gonna quit until the amarr scout is OP and has bonuses to every aspect of the suit Dude just prove me wrong. I am not asking for "a feeling" or "experience" or "a trick knee." Just prove me wrong. You can't, so now you QQ. I do enjoy the tears. no QQ when 1.8 hits I have an account set up with 9 mill unallocated SP just for this scout and I will fit it properly and wreck ass with it no matter what you think of its bonuses I'm not asking for the amarr scout to be OP. I'm asking that its bonus for stamina regen actually be better. A hobo scout gets more regen than us, and we're the stamina experts, I'm not saying they need to nerf this or that, just that our specialty should be that, ours. 15% to max stamina and 5% to regen per level this is almost a complex mod You realize those charts above are based on math right? So do you know what that math tells me about you suggestion? #1) the amarr suit will still never get anywhere, no matter how far away it is, faster than the minmatar suit. You could make it 10,000 base stamina and it will still never do it. Oh and it will barely beat the gallente and caldari now... jsut barely #2) The amarr suit will almost never be able to jump. Jumping, being percentage based, is dependant on have a much higher stamina recovery than stamina pool. What you did here was reverse it, so that the amarr suit will never be able to jump. #3) You really have no understanding at all about how stamina and stamina recovery interact, and how they effect suit performance. #4) You think stamina and stamina recovery are two seperate bonuses.. lol Please look at those charts and TRY to comprehend them. While there is no better place to be wealthy than the Gallente Federation, there is no hell worse for the poor either.
DozersMouse XIII Ultramarine Corp 173	Posted - 2014.03.16 21:52:00 - [14] - Quote have never played in a scout suit before? Bacon pancakes makin' bacon pancakes Take some bacon and I'll put it a pancake Bacon pancakes thats what it's gonna make
Magnus Amadeuss Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 568	Posted - 2014.03.16 23:40:00 - [15] - Quote DozersMouse XIII wrote: have never played in a scout suit before? Of course I have, quite a bit actually. On the other hand, I have a question for you. WHAT THE FLYING **** DOES THAT HAVE TO DO WITH ANYHTING? I am trying as hard as I can to think of a question that is equally as stupid and I just can't. I am sure in your little brain you thought that somehow "being" a scout would have some ethereal value and lend credence to whatever inane drivel would follow, but it wouldn't. TLDR: Just stop. While there is no better place to be wealthy than the Gallente Federation, there is no hell worse for the poor either.
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 13420	Posted - 2014.03.17 00:01:00 - [16] - Quote Magnus Amadeuss wrote: DozersMouse XIII wrote: have never played in a scout suit before? Of course I have, quite a bit actually. On the other hand, I have a question for you. WHAT THE FLYING **** DOES THAT HAVE TO DO WITH ANYHTING? I am trying as hard as I can to think of a question that is equally as stupid and I just can't. I am sure in your little brain you thought that somehow "being" a scout would have some ethereal value and lend credence to whatever inane drivel would follow, but it wouldn't. TLDR: Just stop. Quite a bit actually, Scouts are primarily are not marathon runners. We're not running the entire time in urbanized areas we're burst running spot to spot getting in and out of action as needed. Stamina stored is good, so is recovery. A math chart I would like to see is the x sec to x rest burst to cover to cover runs complete with a jump every x cycles for hopping over those obstacles. 5-7 run, 3 rest, and 3 cycles a jump sounds about average. I'm an omni and know better. Only marathon scouts that exists are the snipers most of the time. CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior, Annoying Artist \\= Advanced Caldari Assault // Unlocked
Gavr1Io Pr1nc1p 103	Posted - 2014.03.17 00:04:00 - [17] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Magnus Amadeuss wrote: DozersMouse XIII wrote: have never played in a scout suit before? Of course I have, quite a bit actually. On the other hand, I have a question for you. WHAT THE FLYING **** DOES THAT HAVE TO DO WITH ANYHTING? I am trying as hard as I can to think of a question that is equally as stupid and I just can't. I am sure in your little brain you thought that somehow "being" a scout would have some ethereal value and lend credence to whatever inane drivel would follow, but it wouldn't. TLDR: Just stop. Quite a bit actually, Scouts are primarily are not marathon runners. We're not running the entire time in urbanized areas we're burst running spot to spot getting in and out of action as needed. Stamina stored is good, so is recovery. A math chart I would like to see is the x sec to x rest burst to cover to cover runs complete with a jump every 3 cycles. I'm an omni and know better. Only marathon scouts that exists are the snipers. Egad, I smell common sense in the "Im not OP enough" forum thread Kills-Archduke Ferdinand Balance!
Magnus Amadeuss Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 570	Posted - 2014.03.17 00:14:00 - [18] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Magnus Amadeuss wrote: DozersMouse XIII wrote: have never played in a scout suit before? Of course I have, quite a bit actually. On the other hand, I have a question for you. WHAT THE FLYING **** DOES THAT HAVE TO DO WITH ANYHTING? I am trying as hard as I can to think of a question that is equally as stupid and I just can't. I am sure in your little brain you thought that somehow "being" a scout would have some ethereal value and lend credence to whatever inane drivel would follow, but it wouldn't. TLDR: Just stop. Quite a bit actually, Scouts are primarily are not marathon runners. We're not running the entire time in urbanized areas we're burst running spot to spot getting in and out of action as needed. Stamina stored is good, so is recovery. A math chart I would like to see is the x sec to x rest burst to cover to cover runs complete with a jump every 3 cycles. I'm an omni and know better. Only marathon scouts that exists are the snipers. So once again, the marathon is the absolute most advantageous scenerio possible for stamina/stamina regen bonuses. What it does is allow a suit with high stamina/regen to outlast and out-regen the other suits. In this testing scenario, with everything set up in it's favor, the amarrian suit fails. Ok, so a jump take a percentage of your stamina... not sure how many times I am going to have to say this. It is the absolute worst thing you could do as an amarr scout. The amarr scout is HORRIBLE at jumping, as it will burn through way more stamina, and ht amarrian suit is the slowest to regain percentages of it's stamina. Anyway, if you want to see who gets where faster, just look at the graph I posted in the other forum topic. No matter what situation you are in, the minmatar suit is better from a run/rest cover 2 cover scout, and it is not even close. No really, the minmatar suit DESTROYs the amarr suit in that capacity, oh and it doesn't have to waste a sh-tty bonus to do it either. GG CSM, once again you guys were involved with just f-cking horrible game balancing. Is it on purpose or is this CSM just that bad at balancing suggestion? While there is no better place to be wealthy than the Gallente Federation, there is no hell worse for the poor either.
Magnus Amadeuss Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 570	Posted - 2014.03.17 00:15:00 - [19] - Quote Gavr1Io Pr1nc1p wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Magnus Amadeuss wrote: DozersMouse XIII wrote: have never played in a scout suit before? Of course I have, quite a bit actually. On the other hand, I have a question for you. WHAT THE FLYING **** DOES THAT HAVE TO DO WITH ANYHTING? I am trying as hard as I can to think of a question that is equally as stupid and I just can't. I am sure in your little brain you thought that somehow "being" a scout would have some ethereal value and lend credence to whatever inane drivel would follow, but it wouldn't. TLDR: Just stop. Quite a bit actually, Scouts are primarily are not marathon runners. We're not running the entire time in urbanized areas we're burst running spot to spot getting in and out of action as needed. Stamina stored is good, so is recovery. A math chart I would like to see is the x sec to x rest burst to cover to cover runs complete with a jump every 3 cycles. I'm an omni and know better. Only marathon scouts that exists are the snipers. Egad, I smell common sense in the "Im not OP enough" forum thread No you are just stupid. For proof I wil show how you quoted the dumbest of all CSM, who is proven wrong routinely, and just abandons thread, never to admit he was wrong. While there is no better place to be wealthy than the Gallente Federation, there is no hell worse for the poor either.
DEZKA DIABLO 0uter.Heaven 395	Posted - 2014.03.17 00:25:00 - [20] - Quote For 3 days all I see is you and soul posting all this crap and your both hardly scouts and neither of you have tried the suits or listen to what vet scouts say , you might suck in this suit but the rest of us won't lol! Dead trigger master , an ya I do that ISH ON PURPOSE!

True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 8297	Posted - 2014.03.17 00:27:00 - [21] - Quote Even if you are spot to spot runners, and you are assuming and urban situation where such movements are universal to all suits, we'd still do it the slowest. Now in open areas where marathon runs do take place, and Aisha makes them frequently to lay uplinks before we ever arrive at an objective, we would be slower....... " ..- -.- --. I wish I remembered morse code so I wasn't typing random letters" - Malleus Malificorum
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 13420	Posted - 2014.03.17 00:27:00 - [22] - Quote Magnus Amadeuss wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Magnus Amadeuss wrote: DozersMouse XIII wrote: have never played in a scout suit before? Of course I have, quite a bit actually. On the other hand, I have a question for you. WHAT THE FLYING **** DOES THAT HAVE TO DO WITH ANYHTING? I am trying as hard as I can to think of a question that is equally as stupid and I just can't. I am sure in your little brain you thought that somehow "being" a scout would have some ethereal value and lend credence to whatever inane drivel would follow, but it wouldn't. TLDR: Just stop. Quite a bit actually, Scouts are primarily are not marathon runners. We're not running the entire time in urbanized areas we're burst running spot to spot getting in and out of action as needed. Stamina stored is good, so is recovery. A math chart I would like to see is the x sec to x rest burst to cover to cover runs complete with a jump every 3 cycles. I'm an omni and know better. Only marathon scouts that exists are the snipers. So once again, the marathon is the absolute most advantageous scenerio possible for stamina/stamina regen bonuses. What it does is allow a suit with high stamina/regen to outlast and out-regen the other suits. In this testing scenario, with everything set up in it's favor, the amarrian suit fails. Ok, so a jump take a percentage of your stamina... not sure how many times I am going to have to say this. It is the absolute worst thing you could do as an amarr scout. The amarr scout is HORRIBLE at jumping, as it will burn through way more stamina, and ht amarrian suit is the slowest to regain percentages of it's stamina. Anyway, if you want to see who gets where faster, just look at the graph I posted in the other forum topic. No matter what situation you are in, the minmatar suit is better from a run/rest cover 2 cover scout, and it is not even close. No really, the minmatar suit DESTROYs the amarr suit in that capacity, oh and it doesn't have to waste a sh-tty bonus to do it either. GG CSM, once again you guys were involved with just f-cking horrible game balancing. Is it on purpose or is this CSM just that bad at balancing suggestion? Who in the hell marathons mid game? Also I didn't mention any suits specifically I just wanted the math. CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior, Annoying Artist \\= Advanced Caldari Assault // Unlocked
Magnus Amadeuss Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 571	Posted - 2014.03.17 00:32:00 - [23] - Quote DEZKA DIABLO wrote: For 3 days all I see is you and soul posting all this crap and your both hardly scouts and neither of you have tried the suits or listen to what vet scouts say , you might suck in this suit but the rest of us won't lol! Lol what? Ok so I have to assume that english is you second or third language, so I will forgive the broken statements that you have been making the last few days. Actually I commend you on learning a non-native language. So, for 3+ days, acutally more like a month, I have been using solid FACTS to make a case. You have been using the force or whatever, suppling no sound reasoning, no mathematical data, no anything of any value to an adult conversation at all. Why should I take anything you say seriously at all? Also, I have been playing for like idk 9-10 months, not as long as some, but still more than long enough to know dust inside and out. I also have 2 scout BPO suits that are used in regular rotation. I also almost always do pretty awesome in the scout suit because I use it as a scout suit, not an assault suit. You know what.... Screw that, I am not going to talk to you like I have ANYTHING to prove, because I do not. I have proven time and again, crunched numbers, used rational argument, made charts and graphs all detailing how the amarr scout is lol. You have done jack-sh-t except come on the forums in your broken english. STFU. While there is no better place to be wealthy than the Gallente Federation, there is no hell worse for the poor either.
Magnus Amadeuss Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 571	Posted - 2014.03.17 00:35:00 - [24] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Magnus Amadeuss wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Magnus Amadeuss wrote: DozersMouse XIII wrote: have never played in a scout suit before? Of course I have, quite a bit actually. On the other hand, I have a question for you. WHAT THE FLYING **** DOES THAT HAVE TO DO WITH ANYHTING? I am trying as hard as I can to think of a question that is equally as stupid and I just can't. I am sure in your little brain you thought that somehow "being" a scout would have some ethereal value and lend credence to whatever inane drivel would follow, but it wouldn't. TLDR: Just stop. Quite a bit actually, Scouts are primarily are not marathon runners. We're not running the entire time in urbanized areas we're burst running spot to spot getting in and out of action as needed. Stamina stored is good, so is recovery. A math chart I would like to see is the x sec to x rest burst to cover to cover runs complete with a jump every 3 cycles. I'm an omni and know better. Only marathon scouts that exists are the snipers. So once again, the marathon is the absolute most advantageous scenerio possible for stamina/stamina regen bonuses. What it does is allow a suit with high stamina/regen to outlast and out-regen the other suits. In this testing scenario, with everything set up in it's favor, the amarrian suit fails. Ok, so a jump take a percentage of your stamina... not sure how many times I am going to have to say this. It is the absolute worst thing you could do as an amarr scout. The amarr scout is HORRIBLE at jumping, as it will burn through way more stamina, and ht amarrian suit is the slowest to regain percentages of it's stamina. Anyway, if you want to see who gets where faster, just look at the graph I posted in the other forum topic. No matter what situation you are in, the minmatar suit is better from a run/rest cover 2 cover scout, and it is not even close. No really, the minmatar suit DESTROYs the amarr suit in that capacity, oh and it doesn't have to waste a sh-tty bonus to do it either. GG CSM, once again you guys were involved with just f-cking horrible game balancing. Is it on purpose or is this CSM just that bad at balancing suggestion? Who in the hell marathons mid game? Also I didn't mention any suits specifically I just wanted the math. So you don't even know how to read do you? I have to assume that you don't based on the fact that what you wrote had NOTHING AT ALL to do with what I wrote. EDIT: Also, my point stands, none of you can disprove it. Not even close. While there is no better place to be wealthy than the Gallente Federation, there is no hell worse for the poor either.
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 8299	Posted - 2014.03.17 00:37:00 - [25] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Magnus Amadeuss wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Magnus Amadeuss wrote: DozersMouse XIII wrote: have never played in a scout suit before? Of course I have, quite a bit actually. On the other hand, I have a question for you. WHAT THE FLYING **** DOES THAT HAVE TO DO WITH ANYHTING? I am trying as hard as I can to think of a question that is equally as stupid and I just can't. I am sure in your little brain you thought that somehow "being" a scout would have some ethereal value and lend credence to whatever inane drivel would follow, but it wouldn't. TLDR: Just stop. Quite a bit actually, Scouts are primarily are not marathon runners. We're not running the entire time in urbanized areas we're burst running spot to spot getting in and out of action as needed. Stamina stored is good, so is recovery. A math chart I would like to see is the x sec to x rest burst to cover to cover runs complete with a jump every 3 cycles. I'm an omni and know better. Only marathon scouts that exists are the snipers. So once again, the marathon is the absolute most advantageous scenerio possible for stamina/stamina regen bonuses. What it does is allow a suit with high stamina/regen to outlast and out-regen the other suits. In this testing scenario, with everything set up in it's favor, the amarrian suit fails. Ok, so a jump take a percentage of your stamina... not sure how many times I am going to have to say this. It is the absolute worst thing you could do as an amarr scout. The amarr scout is HORRIBLE at jumping, as it will burn through way more stamina, and ht amarrian suit is the slowest to regain percentages of it's stamina. Anyway, if you want to see who gets where faster, just look at the graph I posted in the other forum topic. No matter what situation you are in, the minmatar suit is better from a run/rest cover 2 cover scout, and it is not even close. No really, the minmatar suit DESTROYs the amarr suit in that capacity, oh and it doesn't have to waste a sh-tty bonus to do it either. GG CSM, once again you guys were involved with just f-cking horrible game balancing. Is it on purpose or is this CSM just that bad at balancing suggestion? Who in the hell marathons mid game? Also I didn't mention any suits specifically I just wanted the math. Our scout currently does. Why should he run directly towards and enemy position? At which point we can essentially do a Terminator 40K esque Homing Strike with heavies or assault troops, etc. From what I see of Aisha he treats his Gk.0 as though it already were and Ak.0 and makes use of what he supposes the bonus should allow him to do. As such he is often gone so long from the main force I forget he is there unit I rock up on the point, disgorge 2 angry Amarrian SoB, and watch as the remainder of our squad teleports in from the war barge. " ..- -.- --. I wish I remembered morse code so I wasn't typing random letters" - Malleus Malificorum
DEZKA DIABLO 0uter.Heaven 395	Posted - 2014.03.17 00:44:00 - [26] - Quote Magnus Amadeuss wrote: DEZKA DIABLO wrote: For 3 days all I see is you and soul posting all this crap and your both hardly scouts and neither of you have tried the suits or listen to what vet scouts say , you might suck in this suit but the rest of us won't lol! Lol what? Ok so I have to assume that english is you second or third language, so I will forgive the broken statements that you have been making the last few days. Actually I commend you on learning a non-native language. So, for 3+ days, acutally more like a month, I have been using solid FACTS to make a case. You have been using the force or whatever, suppling no sound reasoning, no mathematical data, no anything of any value to an adult conversation at all. Why should I take anything you say seriously at all? Also, I have been playing for like idk 9-10 months, not as long as some, but still more than long enough to know dust inside and out. I also have 2 scout BPO suits that are used in regular rotation. I also almost always do pretty awesome in the scout suit because I use it as a scout suit, not an assault suit. You know what.... Screw that, I am not going to talk to you like I have ANYTHING to prove, because I do not. I have proven time and again, crunched numbers, used rational argument, made charts and graphs all detailing how the amarr scout is lol. You have done jack-sh-t except come on the forums in your broken english. STFU. A Lamborghini is just a car in the hands of some and a actual lamborghini in the hands of someone that really knows how to drive! An engrish is my first language I just don't have enought respect for you to have the patience to type things properly, I have big thumbs and a little phone and I could care less about correcting myself because I'm sure you kno what I mean if I take a shortcut, but it cracks me up when dbags on the forms pretend their English teachers, I could care less if things are not proper cuz this is a VIDEOGAME! Dead trigger master , an ya I do that ISH ON PURPOSE!
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 13422	Posted - 2014.03.17 01:01:00 - [27] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Our scout currently does. Why should he run directly towards and enemy position? From what I see of Aisha he treats his Gk.0 as though it already were and Ak.0 and makes use of what he supposes the bonus should allow him to do. As such he is often gone so long from the main force I forget he is there unit I rock up on the point, disgorge 2 angry Amarrian SoB, and watch as the remainder of our squad teleports in from the war barge. Is not the Amarr bonus designed to allow use such marathon runs? If not what is the purpose? We cannot jump more, melee more, we sprint at the lowest speed. So IWS if marathon runs are not the purpose of our scouts bonus then what is? "The best scout will enable their team to win by not getting caught by the enemy." It just unfortunate people are too used to the idea that scouts are treated in the conventional role, the reason why we got heavies with medium weapons and killer logis as a problem because the option is not only enabled but current balancing nearly encourages it as its the best function. CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior, Annoying Artist \\= Advanced Caldari Assault // Unlocked
DEZKA DIABLO 0uter.Heaven 396	Posted - 2014.03.17 01:45:00 - [28] - Quote DEZKA DIABLO wrote: Magnus Amadeuss wrote: DEZKA DIABLO wrote: For 3 days all I see is you and soul posting all this crap and your both hardly scouts and neither of you have tried the suits or listen to what vet scouts say , you might suck in this suit but the rest of us won't lol! Lol what? Ok so I have to assume that english is you second or third language, so I will forgive the broken statements that you have been making the last few days. Actually I commend you on learning a non-native language. So, for 3+ days, acutally more like a month, I have been using solid FACTS to make a case. You have been using the force or whatever, suppling no sound reasoning, no mathematical data, no anything of any value to an adult conversation at all. Why should I take anything you say seriously at all? Also, I have been playing for like idk 9-10 months, not as long as some, but still more than long enough to know dust inside and out. I also have 2 scout BPO suits that are used in regular rotation. I also almost always do pretty awesome in the scout suit because I use it as a scout suit, not an assault suit. You know what.... Screw that, I am not going to talk to you like I have ANYTHING to prove, because I do not. I have proven time and again, crunched numbers, used rational argument, made charts and graphs all detailing how the amarr scout is lol. You have done jack-sh-t except come on the forums in your broken english. STFU. A Lamborghini is just a car in the hands of some and a actual lamborghini in the hands of someone that really knows how to drive! An engrish is my first language I just don't have enought respect for you to have the patience to type things properly, I have big thumbs and a little phone and I could care less about correcting myself because I'm sure you kno what I mean if I take a shortcut, but it cracks me up when dbags on the forms pretend their English teachers, I could care less if things are not proper cuz this is a VIDEOGAME! Just thought I should bump your pathetic attempt at a dis, for more people to laugh, nice try=ƒæÄ Dead trigger master , an ya I do that ISH ON PURPOSE!
Magnus Amadeuss Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 572	Posted - 2014.03.17 02:43:00 - [29] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: True Adamance wrote: Our scout currently does. Why should he run directly towards and enemy position? From what I see of Aisha he treats his Gk.0 as though it already were and Ak.0 and makes use of what he supposes the bonus should allow him to do. As such he is often gone so long from the main force I forget he is there unit I rock up on the point, disgorge 2 angry Amarrian SoB, and watch as the remainder of our squad teleports in from the war barge. Is not the Amarr bonus designed to allow use such marathon runs? If not what is the purpose? We cannot jump more, melee more, we sprint at the lowest speed. So IWS if marathon runs are not the purpose of our scouts bonus then what is? "The best scout will enable their team to win by not getting caught by the enemy." It just unfortunate people are too used to the idea that scouts are treated in the conventional role, the reason why we got heavies with medium weapons and killer logis as a problem because the option is not only enabled but current balancing nearly encourages it as its the best function. That's not an answer, and you didn't address my response. DEZKA DIABLO wrote: Magnus Amadeuss wrote: DEZKA DIABLO wrote: For 3 days all I see is you and soul posting all this crap and your both hardly scouts and neither of you have tried the suits or listen to what vet scouts say , you might suck in this suit but the rest of us won't lol! Lol what? Ok so I have to assume that english is you second or third language, so I will forgive the broken statements that you have been making the last few days. Actually I commend you on learning a non-native language. So, for 3+ days, acutally more like a month, I have been using solid FACTS to make a case. You have been using the force or whatever, suppling no sound reasoning, no mathematical data, no anything of any value to an adult conversation at all. Why should I take anything you say seriously at all? Also, I have been playing for like idk 9-10 months, not as long as some, but still more than long enough to know dust inside and out. I also have 2 scout BPO suits that are used in regular rotation. I also almost always do pretty awesome in the scout suit because I use it as a scout suit, not an assault suit. You know what.... Screw that, I am not going to talk to you like I have ANYTHING to prove, because I do not. I have proven time and again, crunched numbers, used rational argument, made charts and graphs all detailing how the amarr scout is lol. You have done jack-sh-t except come on the forums in your broken english. STFU. A Lamborghini is just a car in the hands of some and a actual lamborghini in the hands of someone that really knows how to drive! An engrish is my first language I just don't have enought respect for you to have the patience to type things properly, I have big thumbs and a little phone and I could care less about correcting myself because I'm sure you kno what I mean if I take a shortcut, but it cracks me up when dbags on the forms pretend their English teachers, I could care less if things are not proper cuz this is a VIDEOGAME! So your 12, great. I am arguing with a 12 year old..... While there is no better place to be wealthy than the Gallente Federation, there is no hell worse for the poor either.
Winsaucerer The Southern Legion League of Infamy 247	Posted - 2014.03.17 08:54:00 - [30] - Quote Magnus makes some intriguing points. Assuming the calculations are done correctly, this does not look good for the Amarr scout suit. It's a bonus that seems overall worthless. I had initially thought, "maybe it will be good for quickly moving between distant points, where other suits would have to start sprinting". But if Magnus is right, that won't be it. I have not, however, checked the calculations. Under what conditions will the Amarr suit's stamina bonus give it an advantage over every other suit? Also Magnus, can you give some more details on how you calculated marathon run time please?



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