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C Saunders Tech Guard RISE of LEGION 545	Posted - 2014.03.16 15:14:00 - [1] - Quote I think its gonna change this game up hugely. :D As a converted minmatar Slayer logi that has been running Min scout with knives for the last couple months. I really cant wait for the cloak. I think all that logi suit SP I have can go into the cloak. :P The question is.. Will it be overpowered and also how will you determin if its over or underpowered? Since its a passive equipment meaning it wont actually kill anyone. I do think though the protos cloak time looks slightly too long. Ah well. It'll be great fun, Im sure. The first few weeks when everyones trying it will be interesting though. :P // Fully Speced Mass Driver Expert // Closed Beta Vet // Tech Guards Sexy Beast //
Beck Weathers Ghosts of Dawn General Tso's Alliance 814	Posted - 2014.03.16 15:39:00 - [2] - Quote Most people will make the mistake of using the cloak to attack when its best suited for an escape after you already alerted the enwmy of your presance by killing a few. These forums must be located in the Californin country side, there is whine as far as the eye can see.
Izlare Lenix FREE AGENTS LP 223	Posted - 2014.03.16 15:43:00 - [3] - Quote The cloak will help scouts cover open ground, move around cities, and evade/escape. As far as actually killing, a good scout should never be seen by its prey whether he has a cloak or not. Gun control is not about guns...it's about control. The only way to ensure freedom is by having the means to defend it.
Cody Sietz Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 2680	Posted - 2014.03.16 15:44:00 - [4] - Quote Beck Weathers wrote: Most people will make the mistake of using the cloak to attack when its best suited for an escape after you already alerted the enwmy of your presance by killing a few. Yup. It should only be used for a offense when you need to assault a room with only 1 or 2 doorways and they are both being watched. Sadly, it might not be good for that if AA tracks you as you walk by nod the shimmer is really bright. Your gonna need a lot of chaos to sneak by. "I do agree with you there though. shudders" -Arkena Wyrnspire
Sole Fenychs Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 249	Posted - 2014.03.16 15:47:00 - [5] - Quote Myofibrills will allow my scout to assassinate with his cloak, because you keep the cloak equipped. Just need to pay attention so that it doesn't dip below 50% before my attack. Also, I will spec into cloaked Commando.
Th3rdSun L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 639	Posted - 2014.03.16 15:48:00 - [6] - Quote Knowing how CCP balances(or lack thereof),I think this has HUGE potential to be a gamebreaking feature. I played enough Crysis 2 MP to see how cheap it is,and there is the same potential for it here.Maybe I'm wrong,but I get the feeling that the cloak is going to produce more QQ threads than the RRs.
Korvin Lomont United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION 743	Posted - 2014.03.16 15:51:00 - [7] - Quote Beck Weathers wrote: Most people will make the mistake of using the cloak to attack when its best suited for an escape after you already alerted the enwmy of your presance by killing a few. Really the cloak will most usefull for basic movemen to get to a position or to get close to a null cannon. Climbing ladders and crossing open spaces will be much easier with a cloak. For offensive actions its quite too limited for escaping as well (ok against stupid players it will work) as the reticle will reveal your posiion by turning red.
Sole Fenychs Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 249	Posted - 2014.03.16 16:03:00 - [8] - Quote Th3rdSun wrote: Knowing how CCP balances(or lack thereof),I think this has HUGE potential to be a gamebreaking feature. I played enough Crysis 2 MP to see how cheap it is,and there is the same potential for it here.Maybe I'm wrong,but I get the feeling that the cloak is going to produce more QQ threads than the RRs. You can introduce anything to get QQ. You can give them a perfectly balanced weapon or the ability to change your weapon color and they will QQ. This fanbase is all about whining and misinformation. I didn't play Crysis 2 MP, but the Crysis 3 version was decently implemented. However, the "strong shimmer" state was way too common. And don't forget that Crysis uses dynamic cloak. You have a few seconds of cloaking time and can activate and deactivate the cloak with split-second reaction. Using the cloak badly (by being a dumbfuck who fires from cloak) easily costs you all of your cloak energy. Meanwhile, the Dust cloak is a very static system. You push a button and then you are invisible for a while. Any dynamic tactics will **** with your interface, except for maybe melee + recloak. You also have at least thirty seconds of cloak, in contrast to the constantly changing drain in Crysis (Which caps out at about a minute while standing still). Plus, Dust has far bigger maps than Crysis 3. The real question is how hard the cloak is to see with low shimmer. High shimmer will probably be way too obvious. Other than that, it seems very gimped and situational, in contrast to the Crysis and Planetside approach.
Nocturnal Soul Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 2375	Posted - 2014.03.16 16:07:00 - [9] - Quote Also good for those rare bathroom brakes :D Its alright everyone, no need to worry it's just an Amarr scout :(
COVERT SUBTERFUGE PSU GHOST SYNDICATE DARKSTAR ARMY 630	Posted - 2014.03.16 16:17:00 - [10] - Quote People will moan about it because neither they nor the people they end up squadding with will have scanners. As the devblog said, this is the real first steps towards ewar gameplay and a great deal in the community simply aren't ready, as evident by the general hate of scanners. QQ! Blah blah crutch blah blah I don't want to deal with stealth blah blah should be taken out of the game blah blah I'm quitting this POS blah blah DUST is dead... continues to log into the forums and moan about how *** DUST is to alleviate the feelings of butt devastation that came from their inability to adapt and embrace new gameplay dynamics* I'm excited about cloaking and am looking forward to getting stuck in. My main is sitting at around 34 mill (37 after payout) and will be my ewar merc. Speccing into Gal and Cal scouts and keeping Gal logi for the scans. Gonna grab it on this merc too but he needs some core stuff taken care of first (thanks 3 mill SP payout!). Proud Minmatar scout - Republic Merc 6/10 Immune to bitter/jaded vet syndrome Roll with the punches instead of QQing

HUGGLE BEAR MAKIN' MO' MONEY WIT HUGGLES 0	Posted - 2014.03.16 16:20:00 - [11] - Quote C Saunders wrote: ....Your view on the cloak... What Cloak?
Reav Hannari Red Rock Outriders 3246	Posted - 2014.03.16 16:27:00 - [12] - Quote Although I plan to immediately train cloaking to 5 I don't think I'll equip it on all my scout fits. Good scouts already operate without one and having two equipment slots for uplinks+RE, nanohives+RE, RE+RE, uplinks+scanner and other combinations will really making scouting interesting. Once a scout has staked an area to hunt for his prey the cloak may not be used very much. Adapt or Die // Republic Lance Commander // @ReesNoturana
Viktor Hadah Jr Critical-Impact 3053	Posted - 2014.03.16 17:01:00 - [13] - Quote Looks like fun this game needs a change up, I think the cloak will be a cool tool. Selling Templar BPO's 250Mil Last of the BPO's(Click link) I feed off your tears
Dingleburt Bangledack PiZzA DuDeS 31	Posted - 2014.03.16 17:05:00 - [14] - Quote I'll mainly use the cloak simply for crossing the many large, barren landscapes without fear of constantly getting one-shot by redline snipers. As for anything else, I do just fine currently without a cloak so I don't see it becoming a priority for me.
Aisha Ctarl Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 3969	Posted - 2014.03.16 17:20:00 - [15] - Quote Sole Fenychs wrote: Myofibrills will allow my scout to assassinate with his cloak, because you keep the cloak equipped after melee. Just need to pay attention so that it doesn't dip below 50% before my attack. Also, I will spec into cloaked Commando. CCP confirmed that melee will break cloak. I could list the ways how we Amarr are better than you, but your lesser mind wouldn't comprehend it.
Louis Domi Pradox One Proficiency V. 34	Posted - 2014.03.16 18:16:00 - [16] - Quote The amount of QQ will determine how op it is... Ha
Dauth Jenkins Ultramarine Corp 231	Posted - 2014.03.16 18:19:00 - [17] - Quote C Saunders wrote: I think its gonna change this game up hugely. :D As a converted minmatar Slayer logi that has been running Min scout with knives for the last couple months. I really cant wait for the cloak. I think all that logi suit SP I have can go into the cloak. :P The question is.. Will it be overpowered and also how will you determin if its over or underpowered? Since its a passive equipment meaning it wont actually kill anyone. I do think though the protos cloak time looks slightly too long. Ah well. It'll be great fun, Im sure. The first few weeks when everyones trying it will be interesting though. :P Does aim assist still work with cloaked targets? Sees prototompers... Sees blueberries start to snipe... Pulls out commando suit with laser rifle and swarm launcher...
DozersMouse XIII Ultramarine Corp 162	Posted - 2014.03.16 18:35:00 - [18] - Quote Dauth Jenkins wrote: C Saunders wrote: I think its gonna change this game up hugely. :D As a converted minmatar Slayer logi that has been running Min scout with knives for the last couple months. I really cant wait for the cloak. I think all that logi suit SP I have can go into the cloak. :P The question is.. Will it be overpowered and also how will you determin if its over or underpowered? Since its a passive equipment meaning it wont actually kill anyone. I do think though the protos cloak time looks slightly too long. Ah well. It'll be great fun, Im sure. The first few weeks when everyones trying it will be interesting though. :P Does aim assist still work with cloaked targets? your crosshairs will turn red if they come across a cloaked enemy so im sure AA will still work on them Bacon pancakes makin' bacon pancakes Take some bacon and I'll put it a pancake Bacon pancakes thats what it's gonna make
Sole Fenychs Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 250	Posted - 2014.03.16 19:38:00 - [19] - Quote Aisha Ctarl wrote: Sole Fenychs wrote: Myofibrills will allow my scout to assassinate with his cloak, because you keep the cloak equipped after melee. Just need to pay attention so that it doesn't dip below 50% before my attack. Also, I will spec into cloaked Commando. CCP confirmed that melee will break cloak. That was kind of the implication of my stated course of action. That's why I talked about the 50% threshold. Yes, you uncloak. And then you can instantly mash the button again because melee doesn't magically put your rifle in your hands. You still have the cloak, which will react to your input without the selection wheel.
One Eyed King Eyniletti Rangers Minmatar Republic 604	Posted - 2014.03.16 19:48:00 - [20] - Quote Sole Fenychs wrote: Myofibrills will allow my scout to assassinate with his cloak, because you keep the cloak equipped after melee. Just need to pay attention so that it doesn't dip below 50% before my attack. Also, I will spec into cloaked Commando. I had this idea as well. I call it the Sugar Ray fit. However, this is mostly a fun idea and so far doesn't seem realistic. Even with myofibrills on, you will have to do a lot of hitting. And since you decloak every time you melee, you have to recloak. Plus, given that the shimmer will make you visible when moving in CQC, there is no guarantee you won't be visible enough not to get mowed down before you can pummel someone to death. As a whole, I think the way that this was carried out minimizes the odds of a cloak being OP (ie the shimmer, not being able to use weapons while cloaked, needing 50% cloak stamina left in order to use). Looking for the scout hangout?

Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 7385	Posted - 2014.03.16 20:01:00 - [21] - Quote I look forward to it tremendously. I have been waiting for something like this since closed beta so I'm a happy clam at this point. I know a lot of people will have disagreements as to whether the cloak should only be used defensively or offensively, but being that I am an experienced scout in Dust with years of FPS experience with games like Halo and other games that incorporated cloaks, I can say that the cloak can be used either way based on this experience depending on the play style of the player. Honestly, you and only you have the right to choose how to use the cloak. No one else should have the right to tell you how to use your suit. If you want to a cloak on a logi suit, that's up to you. The logi suit will be gimped but you can use it none the less. Or you can use the cloak on a suit that is built for it like the scout suit. Honestly, I can definitely see the Minmatar Scout being the go to suit for speed, stealth and hacking since now it's been confirmed that you can hack with the cloak active and the Minmatar will have the hacking bonus on top of that. Dedicated Scout // Ninja Knifer Everything I know about the Caldari I learned at Nouvelle Rouvenor
C Saunders Tech Guard RISE of LEGION 547	Posted - 2014.03.16 20:31:00 - [22] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: I look forward to it tremendously. I have been waiting for something like this since closed beta so I'm a happy clam at this point. I know a lot of people will have disagreements as to whether the cloak should only be used defensively or offensively, but being that I am an experienced scout in Dust with years of FPS experience with games like Halo and other games that incorporated cloaks, I can say that the cloak can be used either way based on this experience depending on the play style of the player. Honestly, you and only you have the right to choose how to use the cloak. No one else should have the right to tell you how to use your suit. If you want to a cloak on a logi suit, that's up to you. The logi suit will be gimped but you can use it none the less. Or you can use the cloak on a suit that is built for it like the scout suit. Honestly, I can definitely see the Minmatar Scout being the go to suit for speed, stealth and hacking since now it's been confirmed that you can hack with the cloak active and the Minmatar will have the hacking bonus on top of that. I remember waiting for cloaks in closed beta. Took them over a year but it seems like they've finally made one :P Hacking while cloaked will be good fun :P // Fully Speced Mass Driver Expert // Closed Beta Vet // Tech Guards Sexy Beast //
jerrmy12 kahoalii 521	Posted - 2014.03.16 20:35:00 - [23] - Quote DozersMouse XIII wrote: Dauth Jenkins wrote: C Saunders wrote: I think its gonna change this game up hugely. :D As a converted minmatar Slayer logi that has been running Min scout with knives for the last couple months. I really cant wait for the cloak. I think all that logi suit SP I have can go into the cloak. :P The question is.. Will it be overpowered and also how will you determin if its over or underpowered? Since its a passive equipment meaning it wont actually kill anyone. I do think though the protos cloak time looks slightly too long. Ah well. It'll be great fun, Im sure. The first few weeks when everyones trying it will be interesting though. :P Does aim assist still work with cloaked targets? your crosshairs will turn red if they come across a cloaked enemy so im sure AA will still work on them Null cannons used to be red... Closed beta vet Logi, Heavy, Python, Scout.
jerrmy12 kahoalii 521	Posted - 2014.03.16 20:36:00 - [24] - Quote Th3rdSun wrote: Knowing how CCP balances(or lack thereof),I think this has HUGE potential to be a gamebreaking feature. I played enough Crysis 2 MP to see how cheap it is,and there is the same potential for it here.Maybe I'm wrong,but I get the feeling that the cloak is going to produce more QQ threads than the RRs. Exept crysis 2 ttk wasnt as high, and everyone xould use it, any time right after killing... Closed beta vet Logi, Heavy, Python, Scout.
deepfried salad gilliam Sanguine Knights 524	Posted - 2014.03.16 20:41:00 - [25] - Quote Sole Fenychs wrote: Myofibrills will allow my scout to assassinate with his cloak, because you keep the cloak equipped after melee. Just need to pay attention so that it doesn't dip below 50% before my attack. Also, I will spec into cloaked Commando. something like this? module poll stuff for alts
HYENAKILLER X WILL FIGHT ANYONE 668	Posted - 2014.03.16 20:56:00 - [26] - Quote Didnt like it in killzone. Didnt like killzone period. But my hope is the timer runs slow enough to where it wont be op. Optically the game(without hd) can be pretty hard. Cloaks only add to that. Hopefully it will be niche/sniper class mainly. Im not from new eden. I dont need back up, political power or support. I, unlike you dont fear nuetral territory.
Flyingconejo KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 575	Posted - 2014.03.16 21:03:00 - [27] - Quote I don't like it, and I don't see the need for it. I think it is going to be abused to hell and back. I am terrible at this game and I can think of a couple of ways to exploit it right of the bat. Our community will find many more, I'm sure. I hope to be proven wrong, but I don't expect it.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 7390	Posted - 2014.03.16 21:12:00 - [28] - Quote Flyingconejo wrote: I don't like it, and I don't see the need for it. I think it is going to be abused to hell and back. I am terrible at this game and I can think of a couple of ways to exploit it right of the bat. Our community will find many more, I'm sure. I hope to be proven wrong, but I don't expect it. People will say the same thing for every thing such as MTACs, speeders, MAVs, drone units, market pvp, PvE, etc. There is no point in holding something back just because of a simple fear of what others will do with it. Just let it be and see what happens. Dedicated Scout // Ninja Knifer Everything I know about the Caldari I learned at Nouvelle Rouvenor
Sole Fenychs Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 250	Posted - 2014.03.16 21:16:00 - [29] - Quote jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: Th3rdSun wrote: Knowing how CCP balances(or lack thereof),I think this has HUGE potential to be a gamebreaking feature. I played enough Crysis 2 MP to see how cheap it is,and there is the same potential for it here.Maybe I'm wrong,but I get the feeling that the cloak is going to produce more QQ threads than the RRs. Exept crysis 2 ttk wasnt as high, and everyone xould use it, any time right after killing... Crysis 3 had an insanely low TTK, but it was still fun to use. However, Dust TTK is actually very high. It's only an issue because of the dual-analog setup, as opposed to mouse controls. Edit: Disregard post if I understood your post wrongly. TTK high/low is kind of confusing. deepfried salad gilliam wrote: Sole Fenychs wrote: Myofibrills will allow my scout to assassinate with his cloak, because you keep the cloak equipped after melee. Just need to pay attention so that it doesn't dip below 50% before my attack. Also, I will spec into cloaked Commando. something like this? I will make a Gallente version called the "nutcracker".
Rusty Shallows 1129	Posted - 2014.03.16 21:26:00 - [30] - Quote Aisha Ctarl wrote: Sole Fenychs wrote: Myofibrills will allow my scout to assassinate with his cloak, because you keep the cloak equipped after melee. Just need to pay attention so that it doesn't dip below 50% before my attack. Also, I will spec into cloaked Commando. CCP confirmed that melee will break cloak. Dev Blog "CCP Remnant" wrote: Cloak can be manually deactivated by pressing fire or switching to a different piece of equipment or a weapon. A far trade off since switching to Nova Knives will break it as well. The Dev's did a great job of curtailing the worst abuses that could have happend Safely inflicting critical damage while cloaked (Remote Explosive, Plasma Cannons, etc) Scouts use overshadowed by other Frames (yet still allow cloaks to be useable by them) Perm-Invisible Douchery. Bringing the redline into the combat zone. Here, have some candy and a Like. :-) Forums > Game

Zirzo Valcyn Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 226	Posted - 2014.03.16 21:28:00 - [31] - Quote there will be a lot of QQ. it will become routine if it's not way OP. playstyles will evolve to counter cloak. "what are you shooting at?" "just checking for cloakers, bro." the spy in TF2 works very well. they catch people off guard. they have to time it right and think about it tho. the cloaker in planetside 1 was very balanced. you could forfeit a cybernetic implant (kind of like a module) to install this darklight ocular implant and turn on this vision that had an energy bar, the vision would let you see into a spectrum that would reveal the cloaker. the energy bar for that would drain and recharge, and the cloakers had very weak armor. but i'm glad i'm mainly a pilot until the initial riot in game and on forums is over. there's going to be a lot of QQ and this is going to make the ground even more hellacious, you will need a good squad even more so than ever i predict unless your going th cloaker route. imo a cloak is sorta like the dropship ability to fly a max height- you'r virtually invulnerable but what fun is that if you'r not engaging at all in the fight. the tactical cloakers will be scary the cloakers hiding the whole match will be a joke u can ban the troll out of the forums but u can't ban the forums out of the troll. forum warrior .189
Kristoff Atruin Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 1855	Posted - 2014.03.16 23:02:00 - [32] - Quote My view on the cloak. Well. I can't see it.
Mac Dac Wraith Shadow Guards D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 486	Posted - 2014.03.17 01:01:00 - [33] - Quote i honestly think any complaining about cloaks will mostly come from bias ,because of the way cloaks were implemented in other games. i ,for one, have no current beefs with the current cloaks. "We should take care not to make intellect our god; it has, of course, strong muscles, but no personality" Albert Einste
SgtDoughnut DUST University Ivy League 505	Posted - 2014.03.17 01:19:00 - [34] - Quote Anybody who has played TF2 knows cloaking is only as good as the person using it, and is more of an escape or infiltration mechanism than a killing tool. It helps you position and observe. Also this cloak is more like the infiltraitor cloak in Planetside 2. It has the predator shimmer that gets worse as you move around, anyone who is paying attention can still easily spot them, hell I hunt infiltraitors by the sound their cloaks make when they cloak up /decloak. As an adendum, when they added shotguns in beta the infiltraitors could use them, and yes they were a little op, they would uncloak and 2 shot you.
Skihids Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 3058	Posted - 2014.03.17 01:53:00 - [35] - Quote It will mostly be used to kill because that's just about the only thing to do in this game. It will be judged primarily on how well it does that. It could also be used to sneak in and drop uplinks which is what I would use it for
Hynox Xitio Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 493	Posted - 2014.03.17 01:58:00 - [36] - Quote I don't have a view on cloaks, as I can't see them while their using it. mandatory rim shot Unleash the Fogwoggler
The Robot Devil Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1984	Posted - 2014.03.17 02:47:00 - [37] - Quote I am glad the cloak is coming. It is going to be a nice SP sink and a lot of people are going to be butt hurt about it. It will probably change stats within the first month and then people will complain that CCP broke their suit even though the change will be needed and ask for respecs and threaten to quit. Some mercs will find a good use for it and use it very well but others will dump SP into it and hate it. QQ on the here will be prolific and tears will rain like a monsoon season is some rainforest country. It is going to be fun. I don't think any of the cloak timers are too long, I would like it to be turn it on and it stay on until turned off or until something that forces it off happens. I like hardcore and the cloak should be very powerful in the right hands and a total joke on the wrong suit. The cloak is kind of pansy to me but I look forward to the tears it will pull. "One of God's own prototypes. A high-powered mutant of some kind never even considered for mass production." Raoul Duke


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