Prob at the same time when we get adv/proto hulls

Well then, have fun waiting forever because with tiercide, there is no such thing as proto hulls.

Vehicles are very obviously tiercided.

To do what ? Buff vehicles even more ? Should AVers simply lay down their arms and give up any remaining isk in their already cash strapped wallets ?

While infantry is not and neither is weapons and mods

Yea adv/proto hulls so balance can be achieved

And also to get rid of the scrub tankers that are causing tank spam.

Proto AV should be balanced against proto vehicles.

And also to get rid of the scrub tankers that are causing tank spam.

Proto AV should be balanced against proto vehicles.

While infantry is not and neither is weapons and mods

Yea adv/proto hulls so balance can be achieved

PRO AV has to be balanced around STD tanks, which cannot have sinks of tens of millions of SP to be effective and capable of surviving, and any variant vehicles must make significant sacrifices in the name of their chosen effectiveness.

I cannot agree with this. I pointed out why in the last thread this came up in. Which was about six hours ago.

I also cannot agree even that a pilot suit should exist.

Essentially you'd be doubling the sink an effective vehicle, because unless something drastic happened, like as in you can't drive a vehicle aside from LAVs without a pilot suit, the only reason for a suit like this would be to amplify a vehicle's effectiveness by adding modules to the suit.
Which is more SP sink.

Essentially, by asking for a pilot suit, you're implying that you want under no circumstances that vehicles should be viable without one.

Which is some crazy elitist BS.

PRO AV has to be balanced around STD tanks, which cannot have sinks of tens of millions of SP to be effective and capable of surviving, and any variant vehicles must make significant sacrifices in the name of their chosen effectiveness.

i.e. Enforcers for larger DPS, lesser mobility and poor tank, Marauders for larger tank, lesser DPS and poor mobility and say Black Ops (which is a silly name IMO) for larger mobility, lesser tank and poor DPS.

There should be no way to have an objectively better vehicle than the next scrub simply by spending more money on a better hull. Sacrifices in the name of turrets I can deal with (try to fit a Particle Madrugar - it's a right royal pain) but something that's a Madrugar +two lows and double the fitting, in the way of dropsuits?

That's a good way to keep tanks out of the hands of anyone but the people who already have buckets of SP, and ISK to practice.

My guess is, it'll make it so that you can only use certain weapons and/or modules if you have a pilot suit. Similar to how you can only use a forge gun or an hmg with a heavy suit.

Just wondering...

So it would restrict your ground combat?

Bravo! The suits useless!

Also so is the idea, its a piece of crap, pilot suits would add nothing to this game.

I cannot agree with this. I pointed out why in the last thread this came up in. Which was about six hours ago.

I also cannot agree even that a pilot suit should exist.

Essentially you'd be doubling the sink an effective vehicle, because unless something drastic happened, like as in you can't drive a vehicle aside from LAVs without a pilot suit, the only reason for a suit like this would be to amplify a vehicle's effectiveness by adding modules to the suit.
Which is more SP sink.

Essentially, by asking for a pilot suit, you're implying that you want under no circumstances that vehicles should be viable without one.

Which is some crazy elitist BS.

PRO AV has to be balanced around STD tanks, which cannot have sinks of tens of millions of SP to be effective and capable of surviving, and any variant vehicles must make significant sacrifices in the name of their chosen effectiveness.

i.e. Enforcers for larger DPS, lesser mobility and poor tank, Marauders for larger tank, lesser DPS and poor mobility and say Black Ops (which is a silly name IMO) for larger mobility, lesser tank and poor DPS.

There should be no way to have an objectively better vehicle than the next scrub simply by spending more money on a better hull. Sacrifices in the name of turrets I can deal with (try to fit a Particle Madrugar - it's a right royal pain) but something that's a Madrugar +two lows and double the fitting, in the way of dropsuits?

That's a good way to keep tanks out of the hands of anyone but the people who already have buckets of SP, and ISK to practice.

So can explain what infantry should use to beat proto hulls when proto AV is just able to beat std hulls? I just curious on your balance opinion towards this topic.

In all honesty CCP should finally realize that they need to get rid of tiers in the current way these tiers are either not worth the effort but balanced or horribly balanced against lower tiers....

Pilot suit is for ya know piloting things like vehicles

Its not ment to ground pound and there is other playstyles than medium frame 514

I run a scout.


Please do tell me how the pilot suit will bonus vehicles in a way that the passive skills already dont?

To do what ? Buff vehicles even more ? Should AVers simply lay down their arms and give up any remaining isk in their already cash strapped wallets ?

Sacrfices ground ability to perform better in vehicles by enhancing the vehicle in a number of ways which we dont know about

Please, enlighten me on what can be enhanced?