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Brusanan Doesn'tDust
Sardaukar Merc Guild
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.03.16 22:09:00 -
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CUSE TOWN333 wrote:Killar-12 wrote:You Get good fights and anyways RA hired NF what is wrong? A group of mercenaries being hired, is that a big deal? Do you think people really get pissed over fighting video game wars over video money and video game land. and if people do then its time to step outside and see real life for a change.
You must not play Eve. :P
The truth is that the Eve guys in Tso's are actually thrilled that Kain stabbed us in the back (and we all knew it was coming anyway). Most of us were extremely unhappy with being paid in Monopoly-Money to orbit beacons for hours on end when they usually weren't resulting in any interesting fights. The Eve guys were getting nothing out of our relationship with Kain, and a lot of us were so frustrated because of it that it was reaching the point where whenever C00kie logged onto comms he was bombarded with a dozen people asking "Can we shoot NF yet?".
Eve-side diplo for General Tso's Alliance.
I don't actually play Dust.
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x0scarMike
Ancient Exiles.
Renegade Alliance
5
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Posted - 2014.03.16 22:20:00 -
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Thor Odinson42 wrote:Killar-12 wrote:You Get good fights and anyways RA hired NF what is wrong? A group of mercenaries being hired, is that a big deal? How many doctors would it take to remove the NF **** from your mouth?
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Dr PepperPoP
Bragian Order
Amarr Empire
372
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Posted - 2014.03.16 22:45:00 -
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Brusanan Doesn'tDust wrote:CUSE TOWN333 wrote:Killar-12 wrote:You Get good fights and anyways RA hired NF what is wrong? A group of mercenaries being hired, is that a big deal? Do you think people really get pissed over fighting video game wars over video money and video game land. and if people do then its time to step outside and see real life for a change. You must not play Eve. :P The truth is that the Eve guys in Tso's are actually thrilled that Kain stabbed us in the back (and we all knew it was coming anyway). Most of us were extremely unhappy with being paid in Monopoly-Money to orbit beacons for hours on end when they usually weren't resulting in any interesting fights. The Eve guys were getting nothing out of our relationship with Kain, and a lot of us were so frustrated because of it that it was reaching the point where whenever C00kie logged onto comms he was bombarded with a dozen people asking "Can we shoot NF yet?".
Considering NF has the whole of... 2 pilots... what? They wanted to shoot up 2 people that badly they'd throw there Dust side under the bus?
Glad to see how family work in Tso. Lol? |
Brusanan Doesn'tDust
Sardaukar Merc Guild
General Tso's Alliance
2
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Posted - 2014.03.16 23:18:00 -
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Dr PepperPoP wrote:Brusanan Doesn'tDust wrote:CUSE TOWN333 wrote:Killar-12 wrote:You Get good fights and anyways RA hired NF what is wrong? A group of mercenaries being hired, is that a big deal? Do you think people really get pissed over fighting video game wars over video money and video game land. and if people do then its time to step outside and see real life for a change. You must not play Eve. :P The truth is that the Eve guys in Tso's are actually thrilled that Kain stabbed us in the back (and we all knew it was coming anyway). Most of us were extremely unhappy with being paid in Monopoly-Money to orbit beacons for hours on end when they usually weren't resulting in any interesting fights. The Eve guys were getting nothing out of our relationship with Kain, and a lot of us were so frustrated because of it that it was reaching the point where whenever C00kie logged onto comms he was bombarded with a dozen people asking "Can we shoot NF yet?". Considering NF has the whole of... 2 pilots... what? They wanted to shoot up 2 people that badly they'd throw there Dust side under the bus?
You can blame CCP for not giving Eve players any reason to care about Dust.
Eve-side diplo for General Tso's Alliance.
I don't actually play Dust.
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Kain Spero
Escrow Removal and Acquisition
Negative-Feedback
3038
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Posted - 2014.03.16 23:27:00 -
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Brusanan Doesn'tDust wrote:CUSE TOWN333 wrote:Killar-12 wrote:You Get good fights and anyways RA hired NF what is wrong? A group of mercenaries being hired, is that a big deal? Do you think people really get pissed over fighting video game wars over video money and video game land. and if people do then its time to step outside and see real life for a change. You must not play Eve. :P The truth is that the Eve guys in Tso's are actually thrilled that Kain stabbed us in the back (and we all knew it was coming anyway). Most of us were extremely unhappy with being paid in Monopoly-Money to orbit beacons for hours on end when they usually weren't resulting in any interesting fights. The Eve guys were getting nothing out of our relationship with Kain, and a lot of us were so frustrated because of it that it was reaching the point where whenever C00kie logged onto comms he was bombarded with a dozen people asking "Can we shoot NF yet?".
This right here is a perfect example of the terrible attitude that Tso's Eve side has towards Dust. Dust ISK is "Monopoly money" and being the primary source of district sat content was a seen as a hassle. Just know if you are on the ground working with Tso above they aren't looking down on you just because they are in space.
Ivar +1 dude. I think you are right the culture clash was going to be the eventual undoing of the relationship. I mean if the attitude if most of the guys in space is that a Dusters are a burden and not content providers it's not going to work out in the long run.
Owner of Spero Escrow Services
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God Hates Lags
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
1018
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Posted - 2014.03.16 23:39:00 -
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DJINN Marauder wrote:The shady deals and back stabs of new Eden should be in a book
http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/eve-true-stories-the-comic-book-based-on-true-events-20.000-years-into-the-future/
Doubles ISK
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Brusanan Doesn'tDust
Sardaukar Merc Guild
General Tso's Alliance
2
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Posted - 2014.03.17 01:06:00 -
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Kain Spero wrote:Brusanan Doesn'tDust wrote:CUSE TOWN333 wrote:Killar-12 wrote:You Get good fights and anyways RA hired NF what is wrong? A group of mercenaries being hired, is that a big deal? Do you think people really get pissed over fighting video game wars over video money and video game land. and if people do then its time to step outside and see real life for a change. You must not play Eve. :P The truth is that the Eve guys in Tso's are actually thrilled that Kain stabbed us in the back (and we all knew it was coming anyway). Most of us were extremely unhappy with being paid in Monopoly-Money to orbit beacons for hours on end when they usually weren't resulting in any interesting fights. The Eve guys were getting nothing out of our relationship with Kain, and a lot of us were so frustrated because of it that it was reaching the point where whenever C00kie logged onto comms he was bombarded with a dozen people asking "Can we shoot NF yet?". This right here is a perfect example of the terrible attitude that Tso's Eve side has towards Dust. Dust ISK is "Monopoly money" and being the primary source of district sat content was a seen as a hassle. Just know if you are on the ground working with Tso above they aren't looking down on you just because they are in space. Ivar +1 dude. I think you are right the culture clash was going to be the eventual undoing of the relationship. I mean if the attitude if most of the guys in space is that a Dusters are a burden and not content providers it's not going to work out in the long run.
From the perspective of an average Eve player, give me one benefit to owning districts in Dust. We're expected to drop everything we'd rather be doing at the whim of Dust players and orbit beacons all day, and what do we get in return? It's a one-way relationship. We are vital to you winning matches, but you are useless to us.
You see, the disconnect between Eve players and Dust players is entirely CCP's fault. If CCP created a stronger, mutually-beneficial link between the two games, Eve players would be more motivated to fight over districts.
Eve-side diplo for General Tso's Alliance.
I don't actually play Dust.
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Hynox Xitio
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
501
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Posted - 2014.03.17 03:14:00 -
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Man, since when did almost everyone here turn into scumbags.
Especially you Killar, I didn't think you'd be one to make a "kill 'em while their down" thread.
GG to everyone who fought in the PC's with/against ML, just please get off your high horses.
Edit: That post was way too serious and QQ-sounding. Mandatory gif imbound.
Unleash the Fogwoggler
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Nocturnal Soul
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
2387
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Posted - 2014.03.17 03:26:00 -
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*Grabs popcorn*
Pal did I tell you to stop? I want more history lessons :C
Its alright everyone, no need to worry it's just an Amarr scout :(
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SoTa'S PoP
Shining Flame
Amarr Empire
23
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Posted - 2014.03.17 04:38:00 -
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Well what happend was, We were all eating popcorn & somone ran out of popcorn.
Then it went from one to several people running out of popcorn.
Then my popcorn was stolen and nobody admitted it so i went on a rampage and declared war on everyone.
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Dr PepperPoP
Bragian Order
Amarr Empire
382
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Posted - 2014.03.17 04:43:00 -
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SoTa'S PoP wrote:Well what happend was, We were all eating popcorn & somone ran out of popcorn.
Then it went from one to several people running out of popcorn.
Then my popcorn was stolen and nobody admitted it so i went on a rampage and declared war on everyone.
Whoever the **** you are... I like you. Keep up the great posts.  |
SoTa'S PoP
Shining Flame
Amarr Empire
23
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Posted - 2014.03.17 04:45:00 -
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Dr PepperPoP wrote:SoTa'S PoP wrote:Well what happend was, We were all eating popcorn & somone ran out of popcorn.
Then it went from one to several people running out of popcorn.
Then my popcorn was stolen and nobody admitted it so i went on a rampage and declared war on everyone.
Whoever the **** you are... I like you. Keep up the great posts.
im u.
but ur me.
in a wierd way we as in us are unstoppable.
Bullets for all popcorn for me
& amarr ftw.
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Dr PepperPoP
Bragian Order
Amarr Empire
382
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Posted - 2014.03.17 04:47:00 -
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SoTa'S PoP wrote:Dr PepperPoP wrote:SoTa'S PoP wrote:Well what happend was, We were all eating popcorn & somone ran out of popcorn.
Then it went from one to several people running out of popcorn.
Then my popcorn was stolen and nobody admitted it so i went on a rampage and declared war on everyone.
Whoever the **** you are... I like you. Keep up the great posts. im u. but ur me. in a wierd way we as in us are unstoppable. Bullets for all popcorn for me & amarr ftw.
I don't think this community is ready for two SoTa PoPs lol |
SoTa'S PoP
Shining Flame
Amarr Empire
23
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Posted - 2014.03.17 04:49:00 -
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Dr PepperPoP wrote:SoTa'S PoP wrote:Dr PepperPoP wrote:SoTa'S PoP wrote:Well what happend was, We were all eating popcorn & somone ran out of popcorn.
Then it went from one to several people running out of popcorn.
Then my popcorn was stolen and nobody admitted it so i went on a rampage and declared war on everyone.
Whoever the **** you are... I like you. Keep up the great posts. im u. but ur me. in a wierd way we as in us are unstoppable. Bullets for all popcorn for me & amarr ftw. I don't think this community is ready for two SoTa PoPs lol
by force they will be or feel the wrath.
they dont want suds all over there shiney new suits.
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Fiddlestaxp
TeamPlayers
Negative-Feedback
585
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Posted - 2014.03.17 05:27:00 -
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Brusanan Doesn'tDust wrote:Kain Spero wrote:Brusanan Doesn'tDust wrote:CUSE TOWN333 wrote:Killar-12 wrote:You Get good fights and anyways RA hired NF what is wrong? A group of mercenaries being hired, is that a big deal? Do you think people really get pissed over fighting video game wars over video money and video game land. and if people do then its time to step outside and see real life for a change. You must not play Eve. :P The truth is that the Eve guys in Tso's are actually thrilled that Kain stabbed us in the back (and we all knew it was coming anyway). Most of us were extremely unhappy with being paid in Monopoly-Money to orbit beacons for hours on end when they usually weren't resulting in any interesting fights. The Eve guys were getting nothing out of our relationship with Kain, and a lot of us were so frustrated because of it that it was reaching the point where whenever C00kie logged onto comms he was bombarded with a dozen people asking "Can we shoot NF yet?". This right here is a perfect example of the terrible attitude that Tso's Eve side has towards Dust. Dust ISK is "Monopoly money" and being the primary source of district sat content was a seen as a hassle. Just know if you are on the ground working with Tso above they aren't looking down on you just because they are in space. Ivar +1 dude. I think you are right the culture clash was going to be the eventual undoing of the relationship. I mean if the attitude if most of the guys in space is that a Dusters are a burden and not content providers it's not going to work out in the long run. From the perspective of an average Eve player, give me one benefit to owning districts in Dust. We're expected to drop everything we'd rather be doing at the whim of Dust players and orbit beacons all day, and what do we get in return? It's a one-way relationship. We are vital to you winning matches, but you are useless to us. You see, the disconnect between Eve players and Dust players is entirely CCP's fault. If CCP created a stronger, mutually-beneficial link between the two games, Eve players would be more motivated to fight over districts. EDIT: I should also note that the main problem was that we weren't even orbiting beacons to help our own alliance. We are far more motivated now that all of our OB support is helping our own Dusties.
You shouldn't have even accepted the contract in the first place. I tried to release you of your duties as early as reasonable at every chance. I tried to make it work for you guys as best as I could. |
Dr PepperPoP
Bragian Order
Amarr Empire
382
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Posted - 2014.03.17 05:33:00 -
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I'm still trying to figure out how Tso EvE guys are thrilled about going to war to kill just two people, while an entire section of there alliance suffers for it. |
Palatinate
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
411
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Posted - 2014.03.17 06:01:00 -
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Nocturnal Soul wrote:*Grabs popcorn*
Pal did I tell you to stop? I want more history lessons :C
Somehow, I'm not sure history lessons mixed with drama is a good idea?
Ill think of some other relevant history lessons in future game events.
"Hiding will be seen as an act of aggression!" - Battlefield 3
Me: lol what?
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Killar-12
OLDSPICE.
Top Men.
2472
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Posted - 2014.03.17 12:04:00 -
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Hynox Xitio wrote:Man, since when did almost everyone here turn into scumbags. Especially you Killar, I didn't think you'd be one to make a "kill 'em while their down" thread. GG to everyone who fought in the PC's with/against ML, just please get off your high horses. Edit: That post was way too serious and QQ-sounding. Mandatory gif imbound.
if ML must burn for General Tso's to burn it's a nessecary casualty, I'd prefer not to see RND, ML, and 843 get flak but the rest I'm more than fine to see burn...
STB, because if they weren't burning then something is wrong, they'll buy their stuff back anyways
FA, Kain said it best... 2 days...
GIANT, I'm neither here nor there with ya'll but you really aren't losing anything...
Generals, mixed feelings both as ex-EoN and with some events that have come to mind as staining your rep (not Death Firm, a different thing), again you're not losing any thing so...
Listen
10M ISK and you shall not be annoyed otherwise just ignore me.
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ER-Bullitt
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
1212
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Posted - 2014.03.17 14:12:00 -
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Killar, always kinda liked your trolling around here.. and the hundreds of likes you've given me over the past few months  .. but seriously, why you feel a certain kinda way about everything? Do you even PC badly? |
Brusanan Doesn'tDust
Sardaukar Merc Guild
General Tso's Alliance
2
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Posted - 2014.03.17 14:55:00 -
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Fiddlestaxp wrote:You shouldn't have even accepted the contract in the first place. I tried to release you of your duties as early as reasonable at every chance. I tried to make it work for you guys as best as I could.
We didn't hate the contracts in the beginning. The shift in attitude happened pretty suddenly in the last two or three weeks of the contracts, mainly due to burnout and a lack of action happening at the beacons. C00kie was just trying to make everyone on our side and yours happy. It wasn't his fault that it really wasn't possible to make everyone happy at once.
For those of you looking to see General Tso's collapse, I'm sorry to inform you that it will not be happening anytime soon. We have a very strong Eve backbone in Tso's which just celebrated its 5th anniversary at the beginning of March. It's more likely that all of you reading this will quit Dust before General Tso's stops existing in Eve. And our Eve backbone will always be here to prop up our Dust guys, even when they are losing.
Also, when I joined the Dust forums last night I told C00kie I was only doing it to create a diplomatic mess for him to sort out. How am I doing?
Eve-side diplo for General Tso's Alliance.
I don't actually play Dust.
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CHICAGOCUBS4EVER
TeamPlayers
3131
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Posted - 2014.03.17 15:17:00 -
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Ivar Iosef wrote:No trolling, no flame wars, this is real talk.
This entire war boils down to a clash of cultures. NF are businessmen, and they treat their corp and their operation like a business. Agreements are made, ISK is exchanged. Business. EVE and Dust are separate games, separate entities.
General Tso's Alliance (3XXXD) is more like a family. A big, boisterous family who work together, play together, and troll together. We don't separate our EVE and Dust players, we're all thrown in the mix together. Sometimes we all get along, sometimes we don't, but when one of our own is under attack, we stick together and damn the consequences. We're here to have fun.
With this in view, it is surprising things lasted as long as they did. The diplos all probably wanted to rip their hair out. Both sides expected the other to change their nature for the agreement, and that obviously wasn't going to happen.
It was probably a mistake to work together at all, but what's done is done, and now we all get to cleanup the mess.
Good fights in space, and good fights on the ground, with a ton of politics sandwiched in between.
Isn't that why we're all here?
pretty much sums it all up right there from what I've seen at least.
nothing wrong with either stance, but agreed a clash of mentalities. I can understand quite well both sides
+1
You should never underestimate the
predictability of stupidity - Nietzche
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CHICAGOCUBS4EVER
TeamPlayers
3131
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Posted - 2014.03.17 15:28:00 -
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NobIesse Oblige wrote:CHICAGOCUBS4EVER wrote:
How about we look at a quote from you yourself?
after a very long time, i convinced myself to work with zatara and fa to accomplish a common goal. and at every turn we encountered resistance. arguing over fees(3 mill per no matter what...never pushed for tank losses or ads..paid it myself), not coordinating (example?...unless you mean NF screwing up times of battles)(i tip my hat to both ken and himiko. we did some great work together, but the other variables are what made it all a taxing challenge daily), then directly lowballing our own district selling
Zatara once again you speak out of turn...
'Arguing over fees' had nothing to do with dustside stuff. you and I had a discussion, and we resolved that and we all moved on, both sides satisfied on the outcome of our merc pricing for each other.
'not coordinating' was once again an issue between EvE and Dust. As ive said many times im not pointing any fingers because im well aware of the issues on the part of NF in this poor coordination at times.
the coordination between FA and NF on the attacking was great, hence the tip of the cap to ken and himiko
so please, sit back and for once realize the big picture rather than the bubble you choose to reside. for once im trying to be positive in regard to yourself and FA, and you continue to make even complimenting you quite a difficulty..
You should never underestimate the
predictability of stupidity - Nietzche
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Ghost Kaisar
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
3464
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Posted - 2014.03.17 15:53:00 -
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God you guys like to Flame each other.
I'll just be sitting here.....
(For the record, I've never really cared for chest beating. Words are meaningless here, the only actions that have impact are on the battlefield.)
Nothing says "F**K YOU!" like a direct Flaylock to the face.
I've got 3k likes, I'll double post if I want to dammit!
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Killar-12
OLDSPICE.
Top Men.
2473
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Posted - 2014.03.17 16:22:00 -
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ER-Bullitt wrote:Killar, always kinda liked your trolling around here.. and the hundreds of likes you've given me over the past few months .. but seriously, why you feel a certain kinda way about everything? Do you even PC badly?
I deal with hundereds of people every month on here, on IRC, on Skype, and in game. I meet people and I talk as a diplomat, as a Troll and as a community member. I know who I like and who I do not like. I don't PC much K-E-Q was my last match and well... tank spam...
Listen
10M ISK and you shall not be annoyed otherwise just ignore me.
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Killar-12
OLDSPICE.
Top Men.
2473
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Posted - 2014.03.17 16:39:00 -
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Ghost Kaisar wrote:God you guys like to Flame each other. I'll just be sitting here.....(For the record, I've never really cared for chest beating. Words are meaningless here, the only actions that have impact are on the battlefield.)
You see the words under you name? they're not covert intervention because of talking, many people talking.
Reputations have made peace and made wars
Purchases and Sales all sealed by words
Trust me words have power... meta works
Listen
10M ISK and you shall not be annoyed otherwise just ignore me.
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DJINN Marauder
Ancient Exiles.
Renegade Alliance
4589
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Posted - 2014.03.17 16:43:00 -
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Killar-12 wrote:Ghost Kaisar wrote:God you guys like to Flame each other. I'll just be sitting here.....(For the record, I've never really cared for chest beating. Words are meaningless here, the only actions that have impact are on the battlefield.) You see the words under you name? they're not covert intervention because of talking, many people talking. Reputations have made peace and made wars Purchases and Sales all sealed by words Trust me words have power... meta works
The Stb AE War started with 2words..."GG" lol
GôÉGô¥GôÿGô£Gôö > GôÉGô¢Gô¢
Gÿà¿When will dust get better?Gÿà
Forum Warrior LV. 5 | Warframe is awesome! | PSN: I-NINJA-ALL-DAY
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843 Epidemic
BurgezzE.T.F
General Tso's Alliance
500
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Posted - 2014.03.17 16:52:00 -
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DJINN Marauder wrote:Killar-12 wrote:Ghost Kaisar wrote:God you guys like to Flame each other. I'll just be sitting here.....(For the record, I've never really cared for chest beating. Words are meaningless here, the only actions that have impact are on the battlefield.) You see the words under you name? they're not covert intervention because of talking, many people talking. Reputations have made peace and made wars Purchases and Sales all sealed by words Trust me words have power... meta works The Stb AE War started with 2words..."GG" lol
Is "GG" two words?
ffs.
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DJINN Marauder
Ancient Exiles.
Renegade Alliance
4589
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Posted - 2014.03.17 16:53:00 -
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843 Epidemic wrote:DJINN Marauder wrote:Killar-12 wrote:Ghost Kaisar wrote:God you guys like to Flame each other. I'll just be sitting here.....(For the record, I've never really cared for chest beating. Words are meaningless here, the only actions that have impact are on the battlefield.) You see the words under you name? they're not covert intervention because of talking, many people talking. Reputations have made peace and made wars Purchases and Sales all sealed by words Trust me words have power... meta works The Stb AE War started with 2words..."GG" lol Is "GG" two words?
It was good game but I was too lazy to write it out
GôÉGô¥GôÿGô£Gôö > GôÉGô¢Gô¢
Gÿà¿When will dust get better?Gÿà
Forum Warrior LV. 5 | Warframe is awesome! | PSN: I-NINJA-ALL-DAY
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ER-Bullitt
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
1212
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Posted - 2014.03.17 16:56:00 -
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Killar-12 wrote: I don't PC much K-E-Q was my last match and well... tank spam...
That makes sense, but you haven't seen anything until you "fight" Nyain San in a PC. They must have literally called in 20+ tanks over the course of one match while we forge gunned until our fingertips were bleeding lol. 5-6 on the field at any given time... tanks were raining down from the skies, next to objectives, near the red line, pouring out of the redline like a scene from Starship Troopers.
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Ghost Kaisar
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
3467
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Posted - 2014.03.17 17:13:00 -
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Killar-12 wrote:Ghost Kaisar wrote:God you guys like to Flame each other. I'll just be sitting here.....(For the record, I've never really cared for chest beating. Words are meaningless here, the only actions that have impact are on the battlefield.) You see the words under you name? they're not covert intervention because of talking, many people talking. Reputations have made peace and made wars Purchases and Sales all sealed by words Trust me words have power... meta works
There is a difference between diplomacy and chestbeating/flaming
I have no doubt that the Meta can help with diplomacy.
What I am saying, is that you guys love to talk smack before you even get to the battlefield.
Maybe it's just me, but I just like leave it all out on the field.
Like my old football coach used to say "It doesn't matter what you say in the locker room, what matters is what you do on the field"
Once again, maybe it's just me....
Nothing says "F**K YOU!" like a direct Flaylock to the face.
I've got 3k likes, I'll double post if I want to dammit!
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