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Aero Yassavi Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 7372	Posted - 2014.03.10 22:00:00 - [1] - Quote You guys seem to think that the occurrence of a bonus skill point event is some sort of way to soften the blow of no respec in Uprising 1.8. That is a foolish assumption for multiple reasons. For one, all it would do is give the players who are lucky enough to have their preferred specialization already available to them at the start of Uprising an even bigger advantage over those who were not. For two, bonus SP events are not uncommon; consider the following, April 24th - May 2nd 2013: Mercenary Holocon Event During this week all skill points earned were tripled and the weekly cap was tripled. Note that this event ended less than one week before the launch of Uprising which came with a respec. July 4th - July 10th 2013: Triple Skill Point Event During this week all skill points earned were tripled and the weekly cap was tripled. August 7th - August 14th 2013: Double Skill Point Event During this week all skill points earned from war points were doubled and the weekly cap was doubled. September 4th - September 9th 2013: Caldari Boot Camp This was when CCP had no clue wtf they were doing with SP events and made the rules super confusing, but essentially it was a double SP event. October 1st - October 31st 2013: October is for Winners Skill points earned from war points in the first three victories of each day in October were doubled. November 6th - November 13th 2013: Accelerated SP Week Skill points earned from war points were tripled and the weekly skill cap was tripled. December 16th - December 20th 2013: Dev Invasion Battles with the developers opened up in "Other Contracts" and participants received double skill points. January 22nd - January 29th 2014: Accelerated SP Event Skill points earned from war points were given a x5 multiplier and the weekly skill cap was tripled. February 19th - March 5th 2014: Operation Mauler Every kill with a heavy weapon rewarded you 500 bonus SP and every time you kill a heavy you were rewarded 250 SP, with a cap of 750,000 SP. March 14th - March 17th: The Million Clone Challenge Up to 1,000,000 bonus SP if the community can get 1,000,000 combined kills And for three, there is this quote from CCP Logibro, CCP Logibro wrote: And before anyone panics, don't take this as an indication as to whether or not we're providing a respec with Uprising 1.8. So can you all please stop making such ridiculous claims? CPM1 Candidacy Thread
Vulpes Dolosus SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 984	Posted - 2014.03.10 22:01:00 - [2] - Quote I'm calling a Dropsuit and Weapon refund. ADS Kills: Lost count a while ago...
Disturbingly Bored Forum Warfare 1985	Posted - 2014.03.10 22:03:00 - [3] - Quote Vulpes Dolosus wrote: I'm calling a Dropsuit and Weapon refund. They essentially did that for tanks, after all. Even if they don't, I'm going to have some 5-6 million unspent SP after this event, so wtf eva I used to own the FAT GAT until this --> [ASCII Art removed - *draconian forum overlord* CCP Logibro]
Brolaire of Asstoria Forty-Nine Fedayeen Minmatar Republic 224	Posted - 2014.03.10 22:05:00 - [4] - Quote I'm not sure I believe this... Someone somewhat sensible posting on these forums that is... I hear voices all the time... I just ignore them and keep on killing...
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 5577	Posted - 2014.03.10 22:06:00 - [5] - Quote Vulpes Dolosus wrote: I'm calling a Dropsuit and Weapon refund. I'm calling a full. If they don't respec the entire package; Dropsuit Command Dropsuit Upgrades Weaponry Then there would be no point of a respec in the first place. If I spec out of logistics, what use would I have for Repair Tool Operation V? AV > HAV > INF > AV \| Not: HAV > AV GëÑ INF [s]Text[/s] <-------- That's how you make a strike-through -HAND
Aero Yassavi Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 7372	Posted - 2014.03.10 22:07:00 - [6] - Quote Vulpes Dolosus wrote: I'm calling a Dropsuit and Weapon refund. Dropsuit Command without Dropsuit Upgrades makes zero sense. What if you wanted to be a Caldari heavy, but the only heavy available was the Amarr heavy so you specialized into that with armor plating. Now Caldari heavy comes out, those armor plates aren't really going to help you much are they? And that is just one example. What you do with Dropsuit Upgrades is directly dependent on what you do with Dropsuit Command. If you refund one you must refund the other. CPM1 Candidacy Thread
Patrick57 5950	Posted - 2014.03.10 22:07:00 - [7] - Quote Brolaire of Asstoria wrote: I'm not sure I believe this... Someone somewhat sensible posting on these forums that is... Yes, knowledge is very uncommon within these forums. I think I'm a forum warrior level 5 :D
Joseph Ridgeson WarRavens League of Infamy 696	Posted - 2014.03.10 22:08:00 - [8] - Quote Doesn't matter. People are really worried about a refund so they will continue to be afraid. The unknown of "yes or no CCP?!" is so much more terrifying than "here is the bad news." If there is no respec/refund, all the people that stated "Mauler, Million Clone Challenge, and Triple SP = no refund" will feel vindicated and when refund talks happen again later when there is some massive change, any SP event will mean no refund. Gotta wait and see. I hope there is because I don't want my AR skills but it was either that or wait 8 months for a different Rifle; sort of the same positions current Heavy players find themselves in. "Amarr or bust."
Pvt Numnutz R 0 N 1 N 923	Posted - 2014.03.10 22:08:00 - [9] - Quote Disturbingly Bored wrote: Vulpes Dolosus wrote: I'm calling a Dropsuit and Weapon refund. They essentially did that for tanks, after all. Even if they don't, I'm going to have some 5-6 million unspent SP after this event, so wtf eva Take notes kids, this is how you dust.
Aero Yassavi Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 7376	Posted - 2014.03.10 22:10:00 - [10] - Quote Even if you are saving up skill points, it doesn't change the fact that a skill refund is needed and is the right thing to do. CPM1 Candidacy Thread

Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 3394	Posted - 2014.03.10 22:23:00 - [11] - Quote Vulpes Dolosus wrote: I'm calling a Dropsuit and Weapon refund. My presence in this game is dependant upon the former at the very least. No.
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 8084	Posted - 2014.03.10 22:30:00 - [12] - Quote Aero Yassavi wrote: Even if you are saving up skill points, it doesn't change the fact that a skill refund is needed and is the right thing to do. Right thing to do is very subjective in this regard....make no mistake you know I want to skill out of my 4 -5 mill in dropsuit command...... but will it actually happen? They never respeced EVE, and only ever refunded when skills were removed or had their descriptions entirely altered. " ..- -.- --. I wish I remembered morse code so I wasn't typing random letters" - Malleus Malificorum
Mikey The Bandaid D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 192	Posted - 2014.03.10 22:39:00 - [13] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Aero Yassavi wrote: Even if you are saving up skill points, it doesn't change the fact that a skill refund is needed and is the right thing to do. Right thing to do is very subjective in this regard....make no mistake you know I want to skill out of my 4 -5 mill in dropsuit command...... but will it actually happen? They never respeced EVE, and only ever refunded when skills were removed or had their descriptions entirely altered. Which is exactly what is happening with a ton of the infantry skills lol.
ResistanceGTA D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 400	Posted - 2014.03.10 22:49:00 - [14] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Aero Yassavi wrote: Even if you are saving up skill points, it doesn't change the fact that a skill refund is needed and is the right thing to do. Right thing to do is very subjective in this regard....make no mistake you know I want to skill out of my 4 -5 mill in dropsuit command...... but will it actually happen? They never respeced EVE, and only ever refunded when skills were removed or had their descriptions entirely altered. Which is happening? I mean, no Logi will be the same, with the Gallente being the closest, what with the built in 2/Rep and the new general Logi bonus (and to a lesser extent the Minmatar will be close with the innate 20% hack bonus). Big issue being that CCP decided that doing all the suits would be to much, so, they decided to do the bare minimum on the Mediums, leaving them for later. So, a respec now on suits still means speccing a Medium suit is risky. Also, adding 8 suits when you currently only have 12, and adding desperately needed racial sidearms to balance out the spectrum (Heavies are still hurting) means at the very least you need to give Heavies and Scouts their points back. Plus, the number of people that may have specced a medium suit because their preferred suit was unavailable could be substantial... We shall know soon, once we get that dropsuit Dev Blog... Which I'm assuming will be the last one, after the Cloak (Equipment) one. xSivartx is my Heavy. There are many like him, but he is my own... So, other Logi's back off, those are my Warpoints!
echo47 Minmatar Republic 219	Posted - 2014.03.10 23:10:00 - [15] - Quote Aero Yassavi wrote: You guys seem to think that the occurrence of a bonus skill point event is some sort of way to soften the blow of no respec in Uprising 1.8. That is a foolish assumption for multiple reasons. For one, all it would do is give the players who are lucky enough to have their preferred specialization already available to them at the start of Uprising an even bigger advantage over those who were not. For two, bonus SP events are not uncommon; consider the following, April 24th - May 2nd 2013: Mercenary Holocon Event During this week all skill points earned were tripled and the weekly cap was tripled. Note that this event ended less than one week before the launch of Uprising which came with a respec. July 4th - July 10th 2013: Triple Skill Point Event During this week all skill points earned were tripled and the weekly cap was tripled. August 7th - August 14th 2013: Double Skill Point Event During this week all skill points earned from war points were doubled and the weekly cap was doubled. September 4th - September 9th 2013: Caldari Boot Camp This was when CCP had no clue wtf they were doing with SP events and made the rules super confusing, but essentially it was a double SP event. October 1st - October 31st 2013: October is for Winners Skill points earned from war points in the first three victories of each day in October were doubled. November 6th - November 13th 2013: Accelerated SP Week Skill points earned from war points were tripled and the weekly skill cap was tripled. December 16th - December 20th 2013: Dev Invasion Battles with the developers opened up in "Other Contracts" and participants received double skill points. January 22nd - January 29th 2014: Accelerated SP Event Skill points earned from war points were given a x5 multiplier and the weekly skill cap was tripled. February 19th - March 5th 2014: Operation Mauler Every kill with a heavy weapon rewarded you 500 bonus SP and every time you kill a heavy you were rewarded 250 SP, with a cap of 750,000 SP. March 14th - March 17th: The Million Clone Challenge Up to 1,000,000 bonus SP if the community can get 1,000,000 combined kills This post is a perfect example of why we do not need a respec or refund. Good job. +1 Perfect examples of opportunities to gain additonal skill points. And I am sure there will be more to come. I would rather look bad and win, than look good and lose.
Toby Flenderson research lab 326	Posted - 2014.03.10 23:16:00 - [16] - Quote Disturbingly Bored wrote: Vulpes Dolosus wrote: I'm calling a Dropsuit and Weapon refund. They essentially did that for tanks, after all. Even if they don't, I'm going to have some 5-6 million unspent SP after this event, so wtf eva I have about 6mil currently without the mauler event rewards. It's looking like I'll be able to get everything I want regardless of whether or not their is any sort of respec or refund. People know it was up in the air so I have little sympathy for the people that haven't been saving up that could complain if there is indeed no respec coming.
Harpyja Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1259	Posted - 2014.03.10 23:21:00 - [17] - Quote Seeing all those dates confirmed my suspicion that CCP knew when I was home on break, making events either begin a day after I left or end a day before I came home. No wonder I don't even have, what, 15 million SP? "By His light, and His will" - The Scriptures, Gheinok the First, 12:32
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 8086	Posted - 2014.03.10 23:21:00 - [18] - Quote ResistanceGTA wrote: True Adamance wrote: Aero Yassavi wrote: Even if you are saving up skill points, it doesn't change the fact that a skill refund is needed and is the right thing to do. Right thing to do is very subjective in this regard....make no mistake you know I want to skill out of my 4 -5 mill in dropsuit command...... but will it actually happen? They never respeced EVE, and only ever refunded when skills were removed or had their descriptions entirely altered. Which is happening? I mean, no Logi will be the same, with the Gallente being the closest, what with the built in 2/Rep and the new general Logi bonus (and to a lesser extent the Minmatar will be close with the innate 20% hack bonus). Big issue being that CCP decided that doing all the suits would be to much, so, they decided to do the bare minimum on the Mediums, leaving them for later. So, a respec now on suits still means speccing a Medium suit is risky. Also, adding 8 suits when you currently only have 12, and adding desperately needed racial sidearms to balance out the spectrum (Heavies are still hurting) means at the very least you need to give Heavies and Scouts their points back. Plus, the number of people that may have specced a medium suit because their preferred suit was unavailable could be substantial... We shall know soon, once we get that dropsuit Dev Blog... Which I'm assuming will be the last one, after the Cloak (Equipment) one. Indeed we shall find out. I would relish the opportunity to make my character what he should have been if all content had been released..... but I'm not really holding out much hope for that. Amarr HAV has all of my hope wrapped up into it. " ..- -.- --. I wish I remembered morse code so I wasn't typing random letters" - Malleus Malificorum
jerrmy12 kahoalii Pradox XVI Proficiency V. 435	Posted - 2014.03.10 23:24:00 - [19] - Quote ResistanceGTA wrote: True Adamance wrote: Aero Yassavi wrote: Even if you are saving up skill points, it doesn't change the fact that a skill refund is needed and is the right thing to do. Right thing to do is very subjective in this regard....make no mistake you know I want to skill out of my 4 -5 mill in dropsuit command...... but will it actually happen? They never respeced EVE, and only ever refunded when skills were removed or had their descriptions entirely altered. Which is happening? I mean, no Logi will be the same, with the Gallente being the closest, what with the built in 2/Rep and the new general Logi bonus (and to a lesser extent the Minmatar will be close with the innate 20% hack bonus). Big issue being that CCP decided that doing all the suits would be to much, so, they decided to do the bare minimum on the Mediums, leaving them for later. So, a respec now on suits still means speccing a Medium suit is risky. Also, adding 8 suits when you currently only have 12, and adding desperately needed racial sidearms to balance out the spectrum (Heavies are still hurting) means at the very least you need to give Heavies and Scouts their points back. Plus, the number of people that may have specced a medium suit because their preferred suit was unavailable could be substantial... We shall know soon, once we get that dropsuit Dev Blog... Which I'm assuming will be the last one, after the Cloak (Equipment) one. Exept we know mediums are changing, so we can save our sp....if we get a respec I mean, dont spec into medium, they cant change too much now... Closed beta vet Logi, Heavy, Python, Scout.
Aero Yassavi Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 7394	Posted - 2014.03.11 02:10:00 - [20] - Quote echo47 wrote: Aero Yassavi wrote: snipped to save space This post is a perfect example of why we do not need a respec or refund. Good job. +1 Perfect examples of opportunities to gain additonal skill points. And I am sure there will be more to come. Not really. The whole point of a respec is that people have skills invested into stuff that they were essentially forced into if they wanted to play a role and had no other choices. The amount of bonus skill point events does not change this. As with my first point, all this does is allow the people who were lucky enough to have their preferred role available from the start of Uprising and even larger advantage over all the people who were not. CPM1 Candidacy Thread

Beck Weathers Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic 727	Posted - 2014.03.11 02:14:00 - [21] - Quote Didn't they make a forum topic where you guys could cling to your respec hallucinations... Requesting Dev lock plz These forums must be located in the Californin country side, there is whine as far as the eye can see.
Aero Yassavi Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 7394	Posted - 2014.03.11 02:14:00 - [22] - Quote Toby Flenderson wrote: Disturbingly Bored wrote: Vulpes Dolosus wrote: I'm calling a Dropsuit and Weapon refund. They essentially did that for tanks, after all. Even if they don't, I'm going to have some 5-6 million unspent SP after this event, so wtf eva I have about 6mil currently without the mauler event rewards. It's looking like I'll be able to get everything I want regardless of whether or not their is any sort of respec or refund. People know it was up in the air so I have little sympathy for the people that haven't been saving up that could complain if there is indeed no respec coming. Heck, my preferred role (The Amarr Commando) has been released since near the start of Uprising and I have it exactly where I want it, I'm still advocating for a respec because I absolutely understand why other people are requesting them. On matters like this you have to be able to look beyond your own personal interest. CPM1 Candidacy Thread
Aero Yassavi Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 7394	Posted - 2014.03.11 02:16:00 - [23] - Quote Beck Weathers wrote: Didn't they make a forum topic where you guys could cling to your respec hallucinations... Requesting Dev lock plz This thread is not on the topic of respecs but rather in response to the people saying that the new event for March is somehow a confirmation that there will be no respec. This is an attempt to prevent such threads from being created in the future and as such I see no reason in it being locked. CPM1 Candidacy Thread
Beck Weathers Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic 727	Posted - 2014.03.11 02:25:00 - [24] - Quote Aero Yassavi wrote: Beck Weathers wrote: Didn't they make a forum topic where you guys could cling to your respec hallucinations... Requesting Dev lock plz This thread is not on the topic of respecs but rather in response to the people saying that the new event for March is somehow a confirmation that there will be no respec. This is an attempt to prevent such threads from being created in the future and as such I see no reason in it being locked. Its clearly a thread stating OPINIONS on why respecs will still happen, Which still falls under "respec discution" Also Quoting CCP logibro saying the event is unrelated is like quoting him saying that we wont get respecs dosent mean we wont get respecs. What did you expect him to say? really? think he was really going to say "yeah you got us, this event pretty much means no respecs"? If so your more dilusional than I thought. These forums must be located in the Californin country side, there is whine as far as the eye can see.
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 5597	Posted - 2014.03.11 02:28:00 - [25] - Quote Beck Weathers wrote: Aero Yassavi wrote: Beck Weathers wrote: Didn't they make a forum topic where you guys could cling to your respec hallucinations... Requesting Dev lock plz This thread is not on the topic of respecs but rather in response to the people saying that the new event for March is somehow a confirmation that there will be no respec. This is an attempt to prevent such threads from being created in the future and as such I see no reason in it being locked. Its clearly a thread stating OPINIONS on why respecs will still happen, Which still falls under "respec discution" Also Quoting CCP logibro saying the event is unrelated is like quoting him saying that we wont get respecs dosent mean we wont get respecs. What did you expect him to say? really? think he was really going to say "yeah you got us, this event pretty much means no respecs"? If so your more dilusional than I thought. Considering how CCP Logibro was quoted, it's stating FACTS. This thread is not about why respecs will still happen, but about how the SP event does not mean no-respec. AV > HAV > INF > AV \| Not: HAV > AV GëÑ INF [s]Text[/s] <-------- That's how you make a strike-through -HAND
echo47 Minmatar Republic 223	Posted - 2014.03.11 02:30:00 - [26] - Quote Aero Yassavi wrote: echo47 wrote: Aero Yassavi wrote: snipped to save space This post is a perfect example of why we do not need a respec or refund. Good job. +1 Perfect examples of opportunities to gain additonal skill points. And I am sure there will be more to come. Not really. The whole point of a respec is that people have skills invested into stuff that they were essentially forced into if they wanted to play a role and had no other choices. The amount of bonus skill point events does not change this. As with my first point, all this does is allow the people who were lucky enough to have their preferred role available from the start of Uprising and even larger advantage over all the people who were not. No one forced you to skill into anything. Not having the option for a particular suit does not prevent you form skilling into that suit once it is available. All roles were available, scout, assault and heavy. The racial drop suit was not available. The same way all racial weapons were not available. I would rather look bad and win, than look good and lose.
The Terminator T-1000 Skynet Incorporated 188	Posted - 2014.03.11 02:32:00 - [27] - Quote after all the changes to suits, weapons and upgrades, providing a SP refuel is the right thing to do!
Aero Yassavi Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 7402	Posted - 2014.03.11 02:32:00 - [28] - Quote Atiim wrote: Beck Weathers wrote: Aero Yassavi wrote: Beck Weathers wrote: Didn't they make a forum topic where you guys could cling to your respec hallucinations... Requesting Dev lock plz This thread is not on the topic of respecs but rather in response to the people saying that the new event for March is somehow a confirmation that there will be no respec. This is an attempt to prevent such threads from being created in the future and as such I see no reason in it being locked. Its clearly a thread stating OPINIONS on why respecs will still happen, Which still falls under "respec discution" Also Quoting CCP logibro saying the event is unrelated is like quoting him saying that we wont get respecs dosent mean we wont get respecs. What did you expect him to say? really? think he was really going to say "yeah you got us, this event pretty much means no respecs"? If so your more dilusional than I thought. Considering how CCP Logibro was quoted, it's stating FACTS. This thread is not about why respecs will still happen, but about how the SP event does not mean no-respec. In the middle of the thread I may have stated my personal opinions in response to other responses, but the original message in the original thread is not one of opinions but, as Atiim said, facts. The purpose of the thread is to convey the message that the one million skill point event does not guarantee that there is no respec, and if you believe it does then you are delusional. Nothing is guaranteed until CCP flat out say it. CPM1 Candidacy Thread
Beck Weathers Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic 728	Posted - 2014.03.11 02:36:00 - [29] - Quote Atiim wrote: Beck Weathers wrote: Aero Yassavi wrote: Beck Weathers wrote: Didn't they make a forum topic where you guys could cling to your respec hallucinations... Requesting Dev lock plz This thread is not on the topic of respecs but rather in response to the people saying that the new event for March is somehow a confirmation that there will be no respec. This is an attempt to prevent such threads from being created in the future and as such I see no reason in it being locked. Its clearly a thread stating OPINIONS on why respecs will still happen, Which still falls under "respec discution" Also Quoting CCP logibro saying the event is unrelated is like quoting him saying that we wont get respecs dosent mean we wont get respecs. What did you expect him to say? really? think he was really going to say "yeah you got us, this event pretty much means no respecs"? If so your more dilusional than I thought. Considering how CCP Logibro was quoted, it's stating FACTS. This thread is not about why respecs will still happen, but about how the SP event does not mean no-respec. Still waiting to hear why it had to be posted in GD and not in the respec thread where it belongs. Seriously why did you need to make a new topic about it? Think people actualy didnt read CCP logibros post or all the rest of the posts saying the same thing yours dose? The only people who you got to read your topic is people wanting comfort for haunting thoughts of posibly no respec, and trolls who feed on the tears. These forums must be located in the Californin country side, there is whine as far as the eye can see.
Aero Yassavi Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 7402	Posted - 2014.03.11 02:36:00 - [30] - Quote echo47 wrote: Aero Yassavi wrote: echo47 wrote: Aero Yassavi wrote: snipped to save space This post is a perfect example of why we do not need a respec or refund. Good job. +1 Perfect examples of opportunities to gain additonal skill points. And I am sure there will be more to come. Not really. The whole point of a respec is that people have skills invested into stuff that they were essentially forced into if they wanted to play a role and had no other choices. The amount of bonus skill point events does not change this. As with my first point, all this does is allow the people who were lucky enough to have their preferred role available from the start of Uprising and even larger advantage over all the people who were not. No one forced you to skill into anything. Not having the option for a particular suit does not prevent you form skilling into that suit once it is available. All roles were available, scout, assault and heavy. The racial drop suit was not available. The same way all racial weapons were not available. So let's say you want to be a Caldari Sentinel, are you just supposed to sit on all your SP and use starter fits and militia fits until the Caldari Sentinel is released? That's ridiculous. For all practical purposes it is forcing you to skill into the Amarr Sentinel if you want to be a sentinel of any kind, or Gallente/Minmatar scout if you want to be a scout of any kind. That is wasted SP when the one you originally wanted becomes available. Anyways as stated I'm not really here to state my opinions for why a respec should happen, I only made this thread to state how respecs are not yet ruled out. CPM1 Candidacy Thread

Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 5599	Posted - 2014.03.11 02:40:00 - [31] - Quote Beck Weathers wrote: Still waiting to hear why it had to be posted in GD and not in the respec thread where it belongs. Seriously why did you need to make a new topic about it? Think people actually didn't read CCP logibros post or all the rest of the posts saying the same thing yours dose? The only people who you got to read your topic is people wanting comfort for haunting thoughts of possibly no respec, and trolls who feed on the tears. Because this topic is independent, and differs from the discussion of respecs itself. Not really sure who you are, or why your owed an explanation to anything; but this thread does not violate any of the rules postied by the DEVs and/or GMs. The audience of people who read / responded to this thread is irrelevant, and holds no bearings or merit in terms of forum moderation. AV > HAV > INF > AV \| Not: HAV > AV GëÑ INF [s]Text[/s] <-------- That's how you make a strike-through -HAND
Aero Yassavi Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 7403	Posted - 2014.03.11 02:41:00 - [32] - Quote Beck Weathers wrote: Atiim wrote: Beck Weathers wrote: Aero Yassavi wrote: Beck Weathers wrote: Didn't they make a forum topic where you guys could cling to your respec hallucinations... Requesting Dev lock plz This thread is not on the topic of respecs but rather in response to the people saying that the new event for March is somehow a confirmation that there will be no respec. This is an attempt to prevent such threads from being created in the future and as such I see no reason in it being locked. Its clearly a thread stating OPINIONS on why respecs will still happen, Which still falls under "respec discution" Also Quoting CCP logibro saying the event is unrelated is like quoting him saying that we wont get respecs dosent mean we wont get respecs. What did you expect him to say? really? think he was really going to say "yeah you got us, this event pretty much means no respecs"? If so your more dilusional than I thought. Considering how CCP Logibro was quoted, it's stating FACTS. This thread is not about why respecs will still happen, but about how the SP event does not mean no-respec. Still waiting to hear why it had to be posted in GD and not in the respec thread where it belongs. Seriously why did you need to make a new topic about it? Think people actualy didnt read CCP logibros post or all the rest of the posts saying the same thing yours dose? The only people who you got to read your topic is people wanting comfort for haunting thoughts of posibly no respec, and trolls who feed on the tears. It got you to enter And besides the fact that this thread is not on the topic of whether or not we should get a respec but rather why the SP event does not mean there won't be a respec . . . The reason this thread was posted in GD is because there have been multiple threads created about how the one million SP event somehow means no respecs. Those threads are cluttering the front page far more than this one is. You seriously think the people who create those threads are going to go into the official respec thread and read every post before deciding to post their ridiculous statements? And if I just say the same thing in all their threads it may alert them but not all the others out there thinking about making a thread on the same exact ridiculous topic. I'm sorry if by creating this thread I offended you. CPM1 Candidacy Thread
Beck Weathers Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic 728	Posted - 2014.03.11 02:51:00 - [33] - Quote Aero Yassavi wrote: snip Im not offended, buuut those other topics where made by trolls, and making counter topics feeds them ignore them like I do These forums must be located in the Californin country side, there is whine as far as the eye can see.
Aero Yassavi Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 7406	Posted - 2014.03.11 02:53:00 - [34] - Quote Beck Weathers wrote: Aero Yassavi wrote: snip Im not offended, buuut those other topics where made by trolls, and making counter topics feeds them ignore them like I do I don't like to ignore faulty information being handed out to the community. CPM1 Candidacy Thread
Beck Weathers Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic 728	Posted - 2014.03.11 03:07:00 - [35] - Quote Aero Yassavi wrote: Beck Weathers wrote: Aero Yassavi wrote: snip Im not offended, buuut those other topics where made by trolls, and making counter topics feeds them ignore them like I do I don't like to ignore faulty information being handed out to the community. Well i guess you could discredit them in their own thread, or just be a pompus *** like me and tell them to voice their opinions in the respec thread and shut up. These forums must be located in the Californin country side, there is whine as far as the eye can see.
Aero Yassavi Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 7411	Posted - 2014.03.11 03:12:00 - [36] - Quote Beck Weathers wrote: Aero Yassavi wrote: Beck Weathers wrote: Aero Yassavi wrote: snip Im not offended, buuut those other topics where made by trolls, and making counter topics feeds them ignore them like I do I don't like to ignore faulty information being handed out to the community. Well i guess you could discredit them in their own thread, or just be a pompus *** like me and tell them to voice their opinions in the respec thread and shut up. The problem with that is multiple people are creating this threads which means there are likely more people out there who will continue to make them. If I say something in their threads, that's not going to reach the people who are thinking about making the same thread. At least this way some of them may see this thread and stop before creating another thread on how the SP event means no respec. CPM1 Candidacy Thread
Beck Weathers Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic 728	Posted - 2014.03.11 03:21:00 - [37] - Quote Aero Yassavi wrote: Beck Weathers wrote: Aero Yassavi wrote: Beck Weathers wrote: Aero Yassavi wrote: snip Im not offended, buuut those other topics where made by trolls, and making counter topics feeds them ignore them like I do I don't like to ignore faulty information being handed out to the community. Well i guess you could discredit them in their own thread, or just be a pompus *** like me and tell them to voice their opinions in the respec thread and shut up. The problem with that is multiple people are creating this threads which means there are likely more people out there who will continue to make them. If I say something in their threads, that's not going to reach the people who are thinking about making the same thread. At least this way some of them may see this thread and stop before creating another thread on how the SP event means no respec. By that logic, shouldnt they see the 2-3 other threads saying the same thing they wanted to say and not make one themselves? These forums must be located in the Californin country side, there is whine as far as the eye can see.
Spartykins NECROM0NGERS 48	Posted - 2014.03.11 04:24:00 - [38] - Quote Does anyone remember when we had the triple SP event RIGHT before Uprising? People were saying that we weren't going to get respecs then either. (Insert witty phrase here)
Sam Tektzby Better Hide R Die 322	Posted - 2014.03.11 04:27:00 - [39] - Quote Atiim wrote: Vulpes Dolosus wrote: I'm calling a Dropsuit and Weapon refund. I'm calling a full. If they don't respec the entire package; Dropsuit Command Dropsuit Upgrades Weaponry Then there would be no point of a respec in the first place. If I spec out of logistics, what use would I have for Repair Tool Operation V? Agree here, im for FULL/WHOLE RESPEC too. Support - Tactician/Support Deteis - Orator BHD since MAG
Speedy McFaster Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic 9	Posted - 2014.03.11 04:36:00 - [40] - Quote Sam Tektzby wrote: Atiim wrote: Vulpes Dolosus wrote: I'm calling a Dropsuit and Weapon refund. I'm calling a full. If they don't respec the entire package; Dropsuit Command Dropsuit Upgrades Weaponry Then there would be no point of a respec in the first place. If I spec out of logistics, what use would I have for Repair Tool Operation V? Agree here, im for FULL/WHOLE RESPEC too. I only skill into things I know I'm going to use/like. So I have nothing to look forward too if we get a respect. If you get near the 7+ people I'm repping I'll rip your face off.

Raylon Mortien Eternal Beings Proficiency V. 38	Posted - 2014.03.11 05:31:00 - [41] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Aero Yassavi wrote: Even if you are saving up skill points, it doesn't change the fact that a skill refund is needed and is the right thing to do. Right thing to do is very subjective in this regard....make no mistake you know I want to skill out of my 4 -5 mill in dropsuit command...... but will it actually happen? They never respeced EVE, and only ever refunded when skills were removed or had their descriptions entirely altered. This isn't EVE and the skill points don't exactly work the same, not to mention this is not EVE, it is a FPS and the skill points aren't acquired or used in the same manner, did I mention this isn't EVE or that the skill point and/or "skill tree" is completely different? Still not EVE.... "Sir, we are surrounded!" "Excellent, now we can attack in any direction!"
Llast 326 An Arkhos 2340	Posted - 2014.03.11 05:35:00 - [42] - Quote Raylon Mortien wrote: True Adamance wrote: Aero Yassavi wrote: Even if you are saving up skill points, it doesn't change the fact that a skill refund is needed and is the right thing to do. Right thing to do is very subjective in this regard....make no mistake you know I want to skill out of my 4 -5 mill in dropsuit command...... but will it actually happen? They never respeced EVE, and only ever refunded when skills were removed or had their descriptions entirely altered. This isn't EVE and the skill points don't exactly work the same, not to mention this is not EVE, it is a FPS and the skill points aren't acquired or used in the same manner, did I mention this isn't EVE or that the skill point and/or "skill tree" is completely different? Still not EVE.... So what are you trying to say This is not EVE? KRRROOOOOOM
Raylon Mortien Eternal Beings Proficiency V. 42	Posted - 2014.03.11 22:05:00 - [43] - Quote Llast 326 wrote: Raylon Mortien wrote: True Adamance wrote: Aero Yassavi wrote: Even if you are saving up skill points, it doesn't change the fact that a skill refund is needed and is the right thing to do. Right thing to do is very subjective in this regard....make no mistake you know I want to skill out of my 4 -5 mill in dropsuit command...... but will it actually happen? They never respeced EVE, and only ever refunded when skills were removed or had their descriptions entirely altered. This isn't EVE and the skill points don't exactly work the same, not to mention this is not EVE, it is a FPS and the skill points aren't acquired or used in the same manner, did I mention this isn't EVE or that the skill point and/or "skill tree" is completely different? Still not EVE.... So what are you trying to say This is not EVE? In a round about way, maybe.. "Sir, we are surrounded!" "Excellent, now we can attack in any direction!"
boba's fetta Dead Man's Game 342	Posted - 2014.03.11 22:13:00 - [44] - Quote Aero Yassavi wrote: CCP Logibro wrote: And before anyone panics, don't take this as an indication as to whether or not we're providing a respec with Uprising 1.8. So can you all please stop making such ridiculous claims? ofc not. even if you made a virus that posted this to each persons eyelids so they see it whenever they blink they wont stop it. my name is boba and im a hoarder. although this isnt by choice. no player market =(
deepfried salad gilliam Sanguine Knights 495	Posted - 2014.03.11 22:16:00 - [45] - Quote Raylon Mortien wrote: Llast 326 wrote: Raylon Mortien wrote: True Adamance wrote: Aero Yassavi wrote: Even if you are saving up skill points, it doesn't change the fact that a skill refund is needed and is the right thing to do. Right thing to do is very subjective in this regard....make no mistake you know I want to skill out of my 4 -5 mill in dropsuit command...... but will it actually happen? They never respeced EVE, and only ever refunded when skills were removed or had their descriptions entirely altered. This isn't EVE and the skill points don't exactly work the same, not to mention this is not EVE, it is a FPS and the skill points aren't acquired or used in the same manner, did I mention this isn't EVE or that the skill point and/or "skill tree" is completely different? Still not EVE.... So what are you trying to say This is not EVE? In a round about way, maybe.. *looks at top left corner of screen to see ---EVE--- DUST514 module poll stuff for alts
CYRAX SERVIUS Death Firm. Canis Eliminatus Operatives 1159	Posted - 2014.03.11 22:18:00 - [46] - Quote Joseph Ridgeson wrote: Doesn't matter. People are really worried about a refund so they will continue to be afraid. The unknown of "yes or no CCP?!" is so much more terrifying than "here is the bad news." If there is no respec/refund, all the people that stated "Mauler, Million Clone Challenge, and Triple SP = no refund" will feel vindicated and when refund talks happen again later when there is some massive change, any SP event will mean no refund. Gotta wait and see. I hope there is because I don't want my AR skills but it was either that or wait 8 months for a different Rifle; sort of the same positions current Heavy players find themselves in. "Amarr or bust." Should be a thriller, you might want to get some popcorn. CEO Whiskey squad leader Invictus Maneo~"I Remain Unvanquished"~
Sam Tektzby Better Hide R Die 356	Posted - 2014.03.11 22:20:00 - [47] - Quote CYRAX SERVIUS wrote: Joseph Ridgeson wrote: Doesn't matter. People are really worried about a refund so they will continue to be afraid. The unknown of "yes or no CCP?!" is so much more terrifying than "here is the bad news." If there is no respec/refund, all the people that stated "Mauler, Million Clone Challenge, and Triple SP = no refund" will feel vindicated and when refund talks happen again later when there is some massive change, any SP event will mean no refund. Gotta wait and see. I hope there is because I don't want my AR skills but it was either that or wait 8 months for a different Rifle; sort of the same positions current Heavy players find themselves in. "Amarr or bust." Should be a thriller, you might want to get some popcorn. I think you should have really big suply of this article and no i already told you i have a young vine from grand reserva here Support - Tactician/Support Deteis - Orator BHD since MAG
Tech Ohm Eaven L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1388	Posted - 2014.03.11 22:40:00 - [48] - Quote Beck Weathers wrote: Aero Yassavi wrote: Beck Weathers wrote: Didn't they make a forum topic where you guys could cling to your respec hallucinations... Requesting Dev lock plz This thread is not on the topic of respecs but rather in response to the people saying that the new event for March is somehow a confirmation that there will be no respec. This is an attempt to prevent such threads from being created in the future and as such I see no reason in it being locked. Its clearly a thread stating OPINIONS on why respecs will still happen, Which still falls under "respec discution" Also Quoting CCP logibro saying the event is unrelated is like quoting him saying that we wont get respecs dosent mean we wont get respecs. What did you expect him to say? really? think he was really going to say "yeah you got us, this event pretty much means no respecs"? If so your more dilusional than I thought. NO! Whats really OUT THERE is the expectation of CCP that the playerbase will put up with shoddy customer service in the face of PS4 being launched and with PS4 games increasing in available number. By October either CCP gets better or it really will not mater much due to the PS4 migration. Talk to the sig. Hey CCP get a PS4 client Planetside 2 in June on PS4 Dust Deserters Alliance
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 5617	Posted - 2014.03.11 22:40:00 - [49] - Quote echo47 wrote: No one forced you to skill into anything. Not having the option for a particular suit does not prevent you form skilling into that suit once it is available. All roles were available, scout, assault and heavy. The racial drop suit was not available. The same way all racial weapons were not available. So what do you have to say to the non-casual, Faction Loyalists? You know, the ones that New Eden itself revolves around? AV > HAV > INF > AV \| Not: HAV > AV GëÑ INF [s]Text[/s] <-------- That's how you make a strike-through -HAND
Kam Elto KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 204	Posted - 2014.03.11 22:44:00 - [50] - Quote Aero Yassavi wrote: You guys seem to think that the occurrence of a bonus skill point event is some sort of way to soften the blow of no respec in Uprising 1.8. That is a foolish assumption for multiple reasons. For one, all it would do is give the players who are lucky enough to have their preferred specialization already available to them at the start of Uprising an even bigger advantage over those who were not. For two, bonus SP events are not uncommon; consider the following, April 24th - May 2nd 2013: Mercenary Holocon Event During this week all skill points earned were tripled and the weekly cap was tripled. Note that this event ended less than one week before the launch of Uprising which came with a respec. July 4th - July 10th 2013: Triple Skill Point Event During this week all skill points earned were tripled and the weekly cap was tripled. August 7th - August 14th 2013: Double Skill Point Event During this week all skill points earned from war points were doubled and the weekly cap was doubled. September 4th - September 9th 2013: Caldari Boot Camp This was when CCP had no clue wtf they were doing with SP events and made the rules super confusing, but essentially it was a double SP event. October 1st - October 31st 2013: October is for Winners Skill points earned from war points in the first three victories of each day in October were doubled. November 6th - November 13th 2013: Accelerated SP Week Skill points earned from war points were tripled and the weekly skill cap was tripled. December 16th - December 20th 2013: Dev Invasion Battles with the developers opened up in "Other Contracts" and participants received double skill points. January 22nd - January 29th 2014: Accelerated SP Event Skill points earned from war points were given a x5 multiplier and the weekly skill cap was tripled. February 19th - March 5th 2014: Operation Mauler Every kill with a heavy weapon rewarded you 500 bonus SP and every time you kill a heavy you were rewarded 250 SP, with a cap of 750,000 SP. March 14th - March 17th: The Million Clone Challenge Up to 1,000,000 bonus SP if the community can get 1,000,000 combined kills And for three, there is this quote from CCP Logibro, CCP Logibro wrote: And before anyone panics, don't take this as an indication as to whether or not we're providing a respec with Uprising 1.8. So can you all please stop making such ridiculous claims? This is the largest SP event with a possibility of gaining 2,000,000 bonus SP. You can't compare it to the other events. No respecs. Let the tears flow!

Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 5617	Posted - 2014.03.11 22:54:00 - [51] - Quote Kam Elto wrote: This is the largest SP event with a possibility of gaining 2,000,000 bonus SP. You can't compare it to the other events. No respecs. Let the tears flow! The possibility of gaining 2mil SP is only if you purchase an Omega Booster, so denying an SP refund on the basis that you could obtain 2mil SP would be literally paying to win (p2w); something that CCP said themselves that they wanted to avoid. This also implies that the entire playerbase is participating in this event (which they aren't), so making a decision that affects the entire playerbase based on something that few will benefit from // obtain is simply put, downright idiotic. The above 2 points can (and do) apply to any, and every SP event. Simply voting for a decision for the mere desire of seeing negative feedback from the playerbase means that you are not qualified to make and/or vote on any decision that affects the playerbase, and that your opinion(s)/judgement on the subject matter is both uneducated, biased, and irrelevant; and should never be taken seriously (assuming it has been before). -HAND AV > HAV > INF > AV \| Not: HAV > AV GëÑ INF [s]Text[/s] <-------- That's how you make a strike-through -HAND
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 8113	Posted - 2014.03.11 23:00:00 - [52] - Quote Atiim wrote: echo47 wrote: No one forced you to skill into anything. Not having the option for a particular suit does not prevent you form skilling into that suit once it is available. All roles were available, scout, assault and heavy. The racial drop suit was not available. The same way all racial weapons were not available. So what do you have to say to the non-casual, Faction Loyalists? You know, the ones that New Eden itself revolves around? Well said. My corporation is 10 years old, it has retained the tradition of only accepting Amarr bloodline players, and only using Amarr hulls and weapons. I am expected to follow this tradition. for 9 months I've had to tank using Gallente HAV. Remember this game is DUst 514 not "Gallente-Caldari War: The video game". " ..- -.- --. I wish I remembered morse code so I wasn't typing random letters" - Malleus Malificorum
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 8113	Posted - 2014.03.11 23:02:00 - [53] - Quote Raylon Mortien wrote: True Adamance wrote: Aero Yassavi wrote: Even if you are saving up skill points, it doesn't change the fact that a skill refund is needed and is the right thing to do. Right thing to do is very subjective in this regard....make no mistake you know I want to skill out of my 4 -5 mill in dropsuit command...... but will it actually happen? They never respeced EVE, and only ever refunded when skills were removed or had their descriptions entirely altered. This isn't EVE and the skill points don't exactly work the same, not to mention this is not EVE, it is a FPS and the skill points aren't acquired or used in the same manner, did I mention this isn't EVE or that the skill point and/or "skill tree" is completely different? Still not EVE.... I'm not arguing against a respec I'd love one. I am merely stating the stance they have taken on our parent game. " ..- -.- --. I wish I remembered morse code so I wasn't typing random letters" - Malleus Malificorum
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 5618	Posted - 2014.03.11 23:04:00 - [54] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Raylon Mortien wrote: True Adamance wrote: Aero Yassavi wrote: Even if you are saving up skill points, it doesn't change the fact that a skill refund is needed and is the right thing to do. Right thing to do is very subjective in this regard....make no mistake you know I want to skill out of my 4 -5 mill in dropsuit command...... but will it actually happen? They never respeced EVE, and only ever refunded when skills were removed or had their descriptions entirely altered. This isn't EVE and the skill points don't exactly work the same, not to mention this is not EVE, it is a FPS and the skill points aren't acquired or used in the same manner, did I mention this isn't EVE or that the skill point and/or "skill tree" is completely different? Still not EVE.... I'm not arguing against a respec I'd love one. I am merely stating the stance they have taken on our parent game. Keep in mind however, that there has never been a single ship in EVE Online that was released without all four of the faction's versions. AV > HAV > INF > AV \| Not: HAV > AV GëÑ INF [s]Text[/s] <-------- That's how you make a strike-through -HAND
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 8113	Posted - 2014.03.11 23:06:00 - [55] - Quote Atiim wrote: True Adamance wrote: Raylon Mortien wrote: True Adamance wrote: Aero Yassavi wrote: Even if you are saving up skill points, it doesn't change the fact that a skill refund is needed and is the right thing to do. Right thing to do is very subjective in this regard....make no mistake you know I want to skill out of my 4 -5 mill in dropsuit command...... but will it actually happen? They never respeced EVE, and only ever refunded when skills were removed or had their descriptions entirely altered. This isn't EVE and the skill points don't exactly work the same, not to mention this is not EVE, it is a FPS and the skill points aren't acquired or used in the same manner, did I mention this isn't EVE or that the skill point and/or "skill tree" is completely different? Still not EVE.... I'm not arguing against a respec I'd love one. I am merely stating the stance they have taken on our parent game. Keep in mind however, that there has never been a single ship in EVE Online that was released without all four of the faction's versions. Can you confirm that...I have heard some argue otherwise against me when I have said this. This was my understanding as well. " ..- -.- --. I wish I remembered morse code so I wasn't typing random letters" - Malleus Malificorum
I-Shayz-I I-----I 2485	Posted - 2014.03.11 23:07:00 - [56] - Quote There's almost definitely going to be a refund for the physical changes they're making, whereas the balancing and addition changes probably won't get a refund. Sentinel, Commando, Scout dropsuit skills - Almost guaranteed Entire dropsuit command - likely Entire dropsuit upgrades tree - maybe Anything out of weaponry - very unlikely. Entire respec - No, just no. The thing is, weapon balances and dropsuit balances in the past haven't given us skill points back. It's only when they've added a substatial amount to the game (i.e. Uprising) or when they completely change and rebalance the physical properties of an item (i.e. the tank update) but the problem is, they haven't really changed anything with the weapons. Yeah they swung a giant nerf bat at them but that's no reason for them to give us points back. The only time I would want CCP to give me a refund in weaponry is if they changed the Scrambler to an automatic weapon, or if they made the HMG increase in spread as you fire it. Changing physical properties is what demands a refund, not just nerfing, balancing, or new stuff. Links: List of Most Important Threads I make logistics videos!
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 8117	Posted - 2014.03.11 23:10:00 - [57] - Quote I-Shayz-I wrote: There's almost definitely going to be a refund for the physical changes they're making, whereas the balancing and addition changes probably won't get a refund. Sentinel, Commando, Scout dropsuit skills - Almost guaranteed Entire dropsuit command - likely Entire dropsuit upgrades tree - maybe Anything out of weaponry - very unlikely. Entire respec - No, just no. The thing is, weapon balances and dropsuit balances in the past haven't given us skill points back. It's only when they've added a substatial amount to the game (i.e. Uprising) or when they completely change and rebalance the physical properties of an item (i.e. the tank update) but the problem is, they haven't really changed anything with the weapons. Yeah they swung a giant nerf bat at them but that's no reason for them to give us points back. The only time I would want CCP to give me a refund in weaponry is if they changed the Scrambler to an automatic weapon, or if they made the HMG increase in spread as you fire it. Changing physical properties is what demands a refund, not just nerfing, balancing, or new stuff. Unlikely a full respec true enough but perhaps a dropsuit and core skills refund. As you say they have changed the physical properties of dropsuit content. " ..- -.- --. I wish I remembered morse code so I wasn't typing random letters" - Malleus Malificorum
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 12136	Posted - 2014.03.11 23:13:00 - [58] - Quote True Adamance wrote: I-Shayz-I wrote: There's almost definitely going to be a refund for the physical changes they're making, whereas the balancing and addition changes probably won't get a refund. Sentinel, Commando, Scout dropsuit skills - Almost guaranteed Entire dropsuit command - likely Entire dropsuit upgrades tree - maybe Anything out of weaponry - very unlikely. Entire respec - No, just no. The thing is, weapon balances and dropsuit balances in the past haven't given us skill points back. It's only when they've added a substatial amount to the game (i.e. Uprising) or when they completely change and rebalance the physical properties of an item (i.e. the tank update) but the problem is, they haven't really changed anything with the weapons. Yeah they swung a giant nerf bat at them but that's no reason for them to give us points back. The only time I would want CCP to give me a refund in weaponry is if they changed the Scrambler to an automatic weapon, or if they made the HMG increase in spread as you fire it. Changing physical properties is what demands a refund, not just nerfing, balancing, or new stuff. Unlikely a full respec true enough but perhaps a dropsuit and core skills refund. As you say they have changed the physical properties of dropsuit content. The problem with only refunding Dropsuit Command and Upgrade is that you allow literally every type of suit the option to switch into any other type of suit, except heavies. Anyone could go heavy and keep their light weapon and still be useful, with either Commandos or Sentinels. The same can not be said of heavies. While everyone else is given the freedom to do what they want, heavies are forced to stay as heavies or sit on heavy weapon SP that they can no longer use, even if they were to switch to the other heavy frame (commandos) There are other reasons to refund Weaponry, but this is the big one. Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Incubus Pilot
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 8117	Posted - 2014.03.11 23:15:00 - [59] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: True Adamance wrote: I-Shayz-I wrote: There's almost definitely going to be a refund for the physical changes they're making, whereas the balancing and addition changes probably won't get a refund. Sentinel, Commando, Scout dropsuit skills - Almost guaranteed Entire dropsuit command - likely Entire dropsuit upgrades tree - maybe Anything out of weaponry - very unlikely. Entire respec - No, just no. The thing is, weapon balances and dropsuit balances in the past haven't given us skill points back. It's only when they've added a substatial amount to the game (i.e. Uprising) or when they completely change and rebalance the physical properties of an item (i.e. the tank update) but the problem is, they haven't really changed anything with the weapons. Yeah they swung a giant nerf bat at them but that's no reason for them to give us points back. The only time I would want CCP to give me a refund in weaponry is if they changed the Scrambler to an automatic weapon, or if they made the HMG increase in spread as you fire it. Changing physical properties is what demands a refund, not just nerfing, balancing, or new stuff. Unlikely a full respec true enough but perhaps a dropsuit and core skills refund. As you say they have changed the physical properties of dropsuit content. The problem with only refunding Dropsuit Command and Upgrade is that you allow literally every type of suit the option to switch into any other type of suit, except heavies. Anyone could go heavy and keep their light weapon and still be useful, with either Commandos or Sentinels. The same can not be said of heavies. While everyone else is given the freedom to do what they want, heavies are forced to stay as heavies or sit on heavy weapon SP that they can no longer use, even if they were to switch to the other heavy frame (commandos) There are other reasons to refund Weaponry, but this is the big one. Fair enough I actually forgot to include weaponry in the previous post. " ..- -.- --. I wish I remembered morse code so I wasn't typing random letters" - Malleus Malificorum
Magewarlord Contract Hunters 41	Posted - 2014.03.11 23:31:00 - [60] - Quote If they come with new races of dropsuits, then the Dropsuit Command should be the only respec. Seeing there were limited classes, we were stuck choosing one until the rest get added. However if you decide you want to completely switch your class, then you'll just have to start from scratch like anyone else. This type of limited respec will allow players to choose from the new races, but switching your class might cost you some work... Though I do agree that if they nerf or change any skills, then that skill should be reset so the player has the option of keeping it or changing it.

DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 12141	Posted - 2014.03.11 23:33:00 - [61] - Quote Magewarlord wrote: If they come with new races of dropsuits, then the Dropsuit Command should be the only respec. Seeing there were limited classes, we were stuck choosing one until the rest get added. However if you decide you want to completely switch your class, then you'll just have to start from scratch like anyone else. This type of limited respec will allow players to choose from the new races, but switching your class might cost you some work... Though I do agree that if they nerf or change any skills, then that skill should be reset so the player has the option of keeping it or changing it. And it screws over anyone who's switching from an armor suit to shield suit, or vice versa, which will happen considering heavies were forced into armor, and scouts could have went either way. Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Incubus Pilot
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 8118	Posted - 2014.03.11 23:34:00 - [62] - Quote Magewarlord wrote: If they come with new races of dropsuits, then the Dropsuit Command should be the only respec. Seeing there were limited classes, we were stuck choosing one until the rest get added. However if you decide you want to completely switch your class, then you'll just have to start from scratch like anyone else. This type of limited respec will allow players to choose from the new races, but switching your class might cost you some work... Though I do agree that if they nerf or change any skills, then that skill should be reset so the player has the option of keeping it or changing it. I disagree. Core content for this game demands that empire racial content is available for us to make use of. Any content beyond that is expansion and relies on building up established skills already implemented. E.G- Amarr Frigates Minmatar Frigates Caldari Frigates Gallente Frigates all require their associated racial skill Sisters of EVE Frigates requires Amarr Frigate and Gallente Frigate Skills to operate. " ..- -.- --. I wish I remembered morse code so I wasn't typing random letters" - Malleus Malificorum
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 12146	Posted - 2014.03.12 00:05:00 - [63] - Quote INB4LOCK!!!!!! Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Incubus Pilot
ads alt 178	Posted - 2014.03.12 00:06:00 - [64] - Quote inb4lock CCP POST IN RESPEC THREAD!!!!! Click here for 1.8 release date quote from devs
Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 3415	Posted - 2014.03.12 05:55:00 - [65] - Quote Aero Yassavi wrote: You guys seem to think that the occurrence of a bonus skill point event is some sort of way to soften the blow of no respec in Uprising 1.8. That is a foolish assumption for multiple reasons. For one, all it would do is give the players who are lucky enough to have their preferred specialization already available to them at the start of Uprising an even bigger advantage over those who were not. For two, bonus SP events are not uncommon; consider the following, April 24th - May 2nd 2013: Mercenary Holocon Event During this week all skill points earned were tripled and the weekly cap was tripled. Note that this event ended less than one week before the launch of Uprising which came with a respec. July 4th - July 10th 2013: Triple Skill Point Event During this week all skill points earned were tripled and the weekly cap was tripled. August 7th - August 14th 2013: Double Skill Point Event During this week all skill points earned from war points were doubled and the weekly cap was doubled. September 4th - September 9th 2013: Caldari Boot Camp This was when CCP had no clue wtf they were doing with SP events and made the rules super confusing, but essentially it was a double SP event. October 1st - October 31st 2013: October is for Winners Skill points earned from war points in the first three victories of each day in October were doubled. November 6th - November 13th 2013: Accelerated SP Week Skill points earned from war points were tripled and the weekly skill cap was tripled. December 16th - December 20th 2013: Dev Invasion Battles with the developers opened up in "Other Contracts" and participants received double skill points. January 22nd - January 29th 2014: Accelerated SP Event Skill points earned from war points were given a x5 multiplier and the weekly skill cap was tripled. February 19th - March 5th 2014: Operation Mauler Every kill with a heavy weapon rewarded you 500 bonus SP and every time you kill a heavy you were rewarded 250 SP, with a cap of 750,000 SP. March 14th - March 17th: The Million Clone Challenge Up to 1,000,000 bonus SP if the community can get 1,000,000 combined kills And for three, there is this quote from CCP Logibro, CCP Logibro wrote: And before anyone panics, don't take this as an indication as to whether or not we're providing a respec with Uprising 1.8. So can you all please stop making such ridiculous claims? Based on these numbers we get just under one SP event a month. And usually it's either 1x/2x the cap of bonus SP. Compare that to how much bonus SP we're getting in less than a month. Two events, both of which are the biggest SP giveaways we've ever had. One of which is not only eligible for a booster, but sees the return of Omegas to the market. That is a significant change from the norm. No.
Raylon Mortien Eternal Beings Proficiency V. 44	Posted - 2014.03.12 23:19:00 - [66] - Quote deepfried salad giiliam wrote: *looks at top left corner of screen to see ---EVE--- DUST514 Pay no attention to the eve behind the curtain No really get to 10 million SP in Eve and 10 million SP in Dust 514 and then tell me they are the same.... "Sir, we are surrounded!" "Excellent, now we can attack in any direction!"


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