ScR+ScP on Amarr ak.0.

With ~900 EHP and a proto link, I guess.

Can't really see a niche for any other suit+weapon combos, except maybe MD.

caldari proto with aslt rail and magsec with nanohives, come get some

I'll just leave this here.
Caldari assault Ck.0
Shield: 581.94
Armor:364.5
Total EHP: 946.44
Shield recharge: 31.25/s
Shield recharge delay: 3.63/s
Shield dep. delay: 7.6/s
Armor rep: 0
Movement speed: 4.75 m/s
Strafe speed: 4.28 m/s
Sprint speed: 6.99 m/s
Stamina: 157.5
Stamina recharge:15.75
Cost: 131,655 ISK
CPU used: 391/394
PG used: 76/79

Fitting:
4x) Complex shield extenders
1x) Complex shield regulator
1x) Enhanced armor plate
1x) Basic armor plate
1x) Kalakiota RR (51.7 damage per hit, 42 in the mag, 80m optimal, 102 effective)
1x) Magsec SMG (32 damage per hit, 54 in the mag, 40m optimal, 55m effective)
1x) M1 locus grenade
1x) RE

www.protofits.com
Hardly a "Gimped" suit, and I run all Minmatar. I already have all of my Minmatar suits planned out, Assault included, still doesn't come close to the versatility of this Ck.0.

Just watch your back for my Min Scout.

Now go "Assault" something.

And a Logistics suit would have 1 additional Low and High Slots, 2 more equipment Slots, and faster Recharge Delay/Depleted delay in exchange for that Side Arm. The Logistics is better or on par with 'assaulting' and can still support.

Well then...

It appears that with the release of 1.8, every dropsuit available is going to find strength in it's own niche for the first time... seemingly ever. The heavies will be close range, bullet spitting, point holders of annihilation. The scouts (in theory) will be shadows of death, silent assassins, and the kings and queens of subterfuge. The commandos will the rulers of weapon damage in multiple situations, at any range they so choose, blowing away anyone that gets in their sight. The logistics will be what keeps these machines moving as the only people who can get the most equipment on the field, keep people going, and laying down the lines of support like no one else.

And the assaults... will also be there.

Judging by the released statistics to date, I and many of my fellow assaults are a bit... unnerved about our position going forward. We keep hearing different things, from different people about what are role will be and how we'll stay competitive in the new meta.

The Enforcers

On the one hand, you hear from many people that the main role of the assault class is to be the biggest force of aggression in the battlefield. The ones who apply constant pressure to enemy until they fold, and we can take point. This idea was reinforced by making it so we can fire our racial weapons more than anybody else. Mind, our focus isn't killing so much, as it is applying pressure.... If you say so. You would think that if the purpose of the suit was pressure, than they would have the best regen stats of the game. People say that the scout should have the best regeneration, but that also have stealth on their side.

Generally speaking a scout should be getting seen in the first place, much less survive that sighting, but with their stealth being greatly buffed, it seems like the regen should be even less of an issue with their low ehp (in theory). The assaults are going to be scene. Often well before they make the kill with the new TTK. They will be shot at a lot. If anybody should be the regen masters, I think it should be the meat of the army. As it stands, we'll be the least forceful force on the battle field with these stats.

Jack Of All Trades

On the other hand, you hear from just as many people that the main role of the assault class is to be the most versatile force on the battlefield. They are equipped like know other class to be able to take on any situation as they come (uhhh ignore the new scouts....don't look over there!). They have the most high and low slots of any class (stop looking at those logis), A healthy pool of cpu and pg (only more than the commandos? really?)...Um,a decent pool of hp (that can be out tanked by every other class now).

The Inherent problem with a jack of all trades character, is that anything that they try to do will be so ridiculous outclassed by every other suit in any given situation, they'd be left as the merely sycophantic stragglers trying to help out. How much of a benefit you would be, and how rewarding you talents would be will always pale in comparison to your specialized counterparts.

Being Bottom Tier, Mission Statement

Until they "get around" to taking a better look at medium suits, it appears that we are destined to be the new scouts in this era. The scouts have suffered bottom tierdom for so long, that not only do I not mind us being out-classed by them. I want to take to opportunity to try to do what they've done for so long, and that's over come the odds and have fun in their role. What we assaults see lying before us is what every scout would see when they logged on, a challenge and an opportunity. That's what I see right now and I think instead of QQing til the cows come home, we do what they did, and overcome.

Now I don't know about you guys, but I don't plan on being the little 'Jack of all Trades' helper who runs around trying to be something I'm not. Nor do I plan on being cannon fodder for the rest of you while to make the important stuff happen. I'm also not going to wait around with my thumb up my crack until CCP figures out what to do with us. I wish I could say that I'm an expert of the field and know exactly what to do going forward, but I don't plan on hopping the FOTM train and I will smash my face against the wall until I see the light.

You may not have noticed, but this in the general discussion forum for a reason and that is I want to do some theory crafting with you all and find reasons for thrill seekers and hipsters to master the assault class. Don't worry, this isn't a registry or something like that, just a place to put some heads together to come out on top

TL;DR
Assaults will be gimped, let's make them not go extinct.

I'll just leave this here.
Caldari assault Ck.0
Shield: 581.94
Armor:364.5
Total EHP: 946.44
Shield recharge: 31.25/s
Shield recharge delay: 3.63/s
Shield dep. delay: 7.6/s
Armor rep: 0
Movement speed: 4.75 m/s
Strafe speed: 4.28 m/s
Sprint speed: 6.99 m/s
Stamina: 157.5
Stamina recharge:15.75
Cost: 131,655 ISK
CPU used: 391/394
PG used: 76/79

Fitting:
4x) Complex shield extenders
1x) Complex shield regulator
1x) Enhanced armor plate
1x) Basic armor plate
1x) Kalakiota RR (51.7 damage per hit, 42 in the mag, 80m optimal, 102 effective)
1x) Magsec SMG (32 damage per hit, 54 in the mag, 40m optimal, 55m effective)
1x) M1 locus grenade
1x) RE

www.protofits.com
Hardly a "Gimped" suit, and I run all Minmatar. I already have all of my Minmatar suits planned out, Assault included, still doesn't come close to the versatility of this Ck.0.

Just watch your back for my Min Scout.

Now go "Assault" something.

They absolutely don't need any changes. They're fine.
Same for Caldari bonus he's fine. Reload time IS the drawback of RR actually since it has NO other drawback.
the "charge" time is so short that it's like it wasn't here.
RR is => High damage / no recoil / tight spread / high magazine / high range.
What do you want to give him without being gamebreaking ?
Bonus is really fine , an almsot ininterrupted fire from too far for the others weapon.

I'll just leave this here.
Caldari assault Ck.0
Shield: 581.94
Armor:364.5
Total EHP: 946.44
Shield recharge: 31.25/s
Shield recharge delay: 3.63/s
Shield dep. delay: 7.6/s
Armor rep: 0
Movement speed: 4.75 m/s
Strafe speed: 4.28 m/s
Sprint speed: 6.99 m/s
Stamina: 157.5
Stamina recharge:15.75
Cost: 131,655 ISK
CPU used: 391/394
PG used: 76/79

Fitting:
4x) Complex shield extenders
1x) Complex shield regulator
1x) Enhanced armor plate
1x) Basic armor plate
1x) Kalakiota RR (51.7 damage per hit, 42 in the mag, 80m optimal, 102 effective)
1x) Magsec SMG (32 damage per hit, 54 in the mag, 40m optimal, 55m effective)
1x) M1 locus grenade
1x) RE

www.protofits.com
Hardly a "Gimped" suit, and I run all Minmatar. I already have all of my Minmatar suits planned out, Assault included, still doesn't come close to the versatility of this Ck.0.

Just watch your back for my Min Scout.

Now go "Assault" something.

Shields are too high..remember the cal assault bonus will be different..when you can use a kali in cqc when pushing the city in PC then let me know..minmatar gets extended clip so I don't wana hear that bs..I'll gladly trade you.

You know that you will only have 25 shield recharge (or something like that) because the assault is losing that bonus so it won't be 31.25 anymore

I know min assault I skilled it when it first came out.. Arrogant prick? Okay gtfo. Go to PC use the kali in the city against any decent player then comeback with the results before saying ****. And no camping on top of something either cuz that's not the point I was making.

when you can use a kali in cqc when pushing the city in PC then let me know...

I know that's not the point you were trying to make, but the phrasing used while making said point was:

Tell me that doesn't read like an arrogant prick response.
The RR is not a hard weapon to use, CQC, long range, mid range, wherever, PC included (Why do you think its used so often in PC, along with the CR. They are accurate, and hard hitting. The two things you really want, especially in PC)

Even this response comes across like its some great task to accomplish...Using an OP weapon within its effective (because its broken and has far too tight of a hip-fire for what is supposed to be a long range weapon) range, with high damage per shot landed.

I realize that you are now agitated because you took my response to your post as a personal attack, but rest assured, I do not care to argue with you over the internet about a weapon that dominates at any range and really doesn't have any drawbacks aside from actually having to reload it, or how easy/hard it is to use at any of those ranges.

Please put your frustrations into something constructive.

Wow, burn ward is that way --->


I've seen Infected in PC, he was in the game that kicked us out of PC, we all know who FA are, and they are all regarded as above average players, some of them great. Granted we are a newish corp but we have over 100 members.
On that note, I realize that TSE doesnt have any land anymore, but whos alt are you Heimdallr? You talk like you know anything about PC or decent players but HLP (lol sounds like HELP) doesnt have any districts, and your name doesnt really come up in conversations about decent players. So QFT.
Just trying to get a firm grasp on where you are basing this apparent knowledge off of.

You people should learn before talking **** too anyone, any relevant player knows me which means you're irrelevant not me...
"GG was very EZ"

Wow, waggle that e-peen a little more there big guy. Seriously, who the hell do you think you are? You were in AE for a while...BFD, You were a loser neck beard back then when you thought that being good at a video game actually meant something in real life, and your a loser still with this last post.
Posting your corp history....wow, am I supposed to be impressed? QFT scrub, nobody cares.
Did you get kicked out of AE because you're such an absolute ass hat? Or because even you are too incompetent to roll with that rag tag bunch of miscreants who hid behind exploits for the longest time, and are currently falling apart?

You're a boss in your own mind I'm sure, nobody can touch you in your bad place when you sit in front of your console, or computer screen.

By the time you realize how much of a waste of human flesh you are for beating your chest all over a video game forum, maybe, just maybe you will wake up, look around at all your life failures, and kill yourself.

No big loss.

Assault gk.0

2x complex profile dampener
1 enhanced armor plate
1 enhanced armor rep
2x complex sheilds
1 complex damage mod
Boundless/duvolle
scanner
M1s

Ill be invisible to all but one scanner and paper scouts running precission enhancers. Np.

Lmao now everyone knows and I'm the arrogant prick? You looked at my corp and said I didn't know anything because I made a new corp so I showed you all the corps I've been in... AE, TP, IMPS. I was not beating my chest but showing you what right I have to talk about PC, since you assumed I was a nobody.

Also I left AE I was not kicked, you can ask if it means that much to you.

Btw nice alt from FA

Anyway, back on topic.
I've been mucking around with that Protofits site, and a little bit in game last night, building assault suits for 1.8.
I still don't see them being totally gimped. They will do average at whatever role you build them towards, but still be more front line combat oriented regardless. They just wont excel in whatever suit variant that you build them towards

Examples:
You can have speed, or armor tank, or damps, or scan range (Useless without precision but that would totally gimp your suit). Or you can have shields or scan precision (Useless with out range, see previous reasoning)
Can't move like a scout, with the damps, 2 equipment, and passive scans.

You can brick tank it and still be faster than a logi or a heavy, but you can't support like a logi, or have the raw firepower of a heavy.

You can do a mix tank and damage mod fit and compete with the commando, but the commando still wins with its raw EHP and bonuses for damage output. You are still much faster though.

Once again, just really listing the subtle pros of the assault suit. I'm really liking this less QQ more pew pew mindset and I'm trying to focus on that.