DUST Search - Yet another example of how CCP marketing blundered the PS4 version.

Himiko Kuronaga wrote:

Auris Lionesse wrote:

Himiko Kuronaga wrote:

Rinzler XVIII wrote:

Himiko Kuronaga wrote:

http://www.gamespot.com/articles/infamous-second-son-preorders-beating-the-last-of-us/1100-6418180/

So much for that 80 million user install base on PS3 huh? Second Son isn't even a game I was planning on buying and it's doing that well, simply due to lack of choices available.

Can we have Dust on PS4 now?

That game does look awesome though and the 1st 1 was pretty good too

DUST is a long way off being at that calibre and honestly it is better off staying on the PS3 so it doesn't have to directly compete with the next gen games.

Maybe in 2/3 years this game will have all its bugs fixed, we'll have more gamemodes,bigger teams, balance, better graphics, no lag etc etc until then it'll stay on the PS3

Dust looked good too, before it was ported to the worst piece of hardware with the worst engine on the last generation.

I guess hiring a bunch of cheap chinese labor to make the game didn't do them any favors either.

Actually the cell in the ps3 is more powerful than the xbox360 and I dont even need to mention the wii.
Just harder to develop for because it was brand new tech.
No one had experience with it, which is why dust is in the state it's in,
Chinas 14 year console ban means no one in china knows anything about developing on a ps3.
The problem isn't the ps3, it's shanghais lack of console optimization
Dust514 is basically a game from 2007. the team has as much experience as the rest of the devs did 7-8 years ago.

I agree though that unreal engine sucks.

You're not giving me new information. I've heard preaching about the cell for years now. It has yet to produce any results that were superior to the 360. Developer incompetence or not, its current status is bottom of the barrel.

If the architecture is so entirely inaccessible to developers that nobody can take advantage of it, then that simply detracts its value even further.

If nobody in China knew how the hell to program for the thing, that doesn't exactly make CCP decision of hiring cheap chinese labor any better does it?

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Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 3190	Posted - 2014.03.09 01:43:00 - [1] - Quote http://www.gamespot.com/articles/infamous-second-son-preorders-beating-the-last-of-us/1100-6418180/ So much for that 80 million user install base on PS3 huh? Second Son isn't even a game I was planning on buying and it's doing that well, simply due to lack of choices available. Can we have Dust on PS4 now?
Killar-12 OLDSPICE. 2434	Posted - 2014.03.09 02:01:00 - [2] - Quote Himiko Kuronaga wrote: http://www.gamespot.com/articles/infamous-second-son-preorders-beating-the-last-of-us/1100-6418180/ So much for that 80 million user install base on PS3 huh? Second Son isn't even a game I was planning on buying and it's doing that well, simply due to lack of choices available. Can we have Dust on PS4 now? "Laser Focused" Listen 10M ISK and you shall not be annoyed otherwise just ignore me.
Glass Zeraki The Phoenix Federation Proficiency V. 24	Posted - 2014.03.09 02:04:00 - [3] - Quote I agree. Needs to happen sooner rather than later. Sub-Director of The Phoenix Federation. Shut up or I'll mute you.
jordy mack Ultramarine Corp 210	Posted - 2014.03.09 02:07:00 - [4] - Quote can we have it on ps4 now? no we cant, search forums for reasons. could we have it on pc tomorrow? yep. but we wont. Less QQ more PewPew
Rinzler XVIII Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation 211	Posted - 2014.03.09 02:07:00 - [5] - Quote Himiko Kuronaga wrote: http://www.gamespot.com/articles/infamous-second-son-preorders-beating-the-last-of-us/1100-6418180/ So much for that 80 million user install base on PS3 huh? Second Son isn't even a game I was planning on buying and it's doing that well, simply due to lack of choices available. Can we have Dust on PS4 now? That game does look awesome though and the 1st 1 was pretty good too DUST is a long way off being at that calibre and honestly it is better off staying on the PS3 so it doesn't have to directly compete with the next gen games. Maybe in 2/3 years this game will have all its bugs fixed, we'll have more gamemodes,bigger teams, balance, better graphics, no lag etc etc until then it'll stay on the PS3
Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 3191	Posted - 2014.03.09 02:09:00 - [6] - Quote Rinzler XVIII wrote: Himiko Kuronaga wrote: http://www.gamespot.com/articles/infamous-second-son-preorders-beating-the-last-of-us/1100-6418180/ So much for that 80 million user install base on PS3 huh? Second Son isn't even a game I was planning on buying and it's doing that well, simply due to lack of choices available. Can we have Dust on PS4 now? That game does look awesome though and the 1st 1 was pretty good too DUST is a long way off being at that calibre and honestly it is better off staying on the PS3 so it doesn't have to directly compete with the next gen games. Maybe in 2/3 years this game will have all its bugs fixed, we'll have more gamemodes,bigger teams, balance, better graphics, no lag etc etc until then it'll stay on the PS3 Dust looked good too, before it was ported to the worst piece of hardware with the worst engine on the last generation. I guess hiring a bunch of cheap chinese labor to make the game didn't do them any favors either.
One Eyed King Eyniletti Rangers Minmatar Republic 487	Posted - 2014.03.09 02:14:00 - [7] - Quote Dust 514 is no Infamous, even if it was ported to PS4. Looking for the scout hangout?
THEAMAZING POTHEAD Nyain San Renegade Alliance 1040	Posted - 2014.03.09 02:14:00 - [8] - Quote infamous 1 was decent, graphics were garbo. infamous 2 graphics were good but voice actor and story was garbo. infamous second sun has some dude made to look and act like a swag *** as the main char. need i say more? Your post is making me facepalm very hard right now.
Foundation Seldon Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 501	Posted - 2014.03.09 02:15:00 - [9] - Quote Yet another example of how forum goers know nothing about either marketing or game development. Saga v. Methana Balance
Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 3192	Posted - 2014.03.09 02:20:00 - [10] - Quote Game development has nothing to do with consumer demand. Ironically enough, neither does marketing. It's just a facade of a degree that teaches you ways to try and sound intelligent when pitching a product you know nothing about. For example, calling Dust a AAA title. Ho boy! Nail on the head with that one, marketing!

CeCo Macino Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2014.03.09 02:28:00 - [11] - Quote Himiko Kuronaga wrote: http://www.gamespot.com/articles/infamous-second-son-preorders-beating-the-last-of-us/1100-6418180/ So much for that 80 million user install base on PS3 huh? Second Son isn't even a game I was planning on buying and it's doing that well, simply due to lack of choices available. Can we have Dust on PS4 now? Did you played second son boyo?! That game is basicaly AWESOME, i played that for few minutes and there is no flantess atal Support - Tactician/Support Sebiestor - Tinker
GVGMODE WorstPlayersEver 142	Posted - 2014.03.09 02:39:00 - [12] - Quote Dust will have to co pete against Planetside 2. Pilot: (Tanks / Assault Dropships) Skype: GVGMODE
Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 3192	Posted - 2014.03.09 02:40:00 - [13] - Quote No it won't. Completely different games. Completely.
Auris Lionesse Capital Acquisitions LLC Renegade Alliance 400	Posted - 2014.03.09 02:41:00 - [14] - Quote Himiko Kuronaga wrote: Rinzler XVIII wrote: Himiko Kuronaga wrote: http://www.gamespot.com/articles/infamous-second-son-preorders-beating-the-last-of-us/1100-6418180/ So much for that 80 million user install base on PS3 huh? Second Son isn't even a game I was planning on buying and it's doing that well, simply due to lack of choices available. Can we have Dust on PS4 now? That game does look awesome though and the 1st 1 was pretty good too DUST is a long way off being at that calibre and honestly it is better off staying on the PS3 so it doesn't have to directly compete with the next gen games. Maybe in 2/3 years this game will have all its bugs fixed, we'll have more gamemodes,bigger teams, balance, better graphics, no lag etc etc until then it'll stay on the PS3 Dust looked good too, before it was ported to the worst piece of hardware with the worst engine on the last generation. I guess hiring a bunch of cheap chinese labor to make the game didn't do them any favors either. Actually the cell in the ps3 is more powerful than the xbox360 and I dont even need to mention the wii. Just harder to develop for because it was brand new tech. No one had experience with it, which is why dust is in the state it's in, Chinas 14 year console ban means no one in china knows anything about developing on a ps3. The problem isn't the ps3, it's shanghais lack of console optimization Dust514 is basically a game from 2007. the team has as much experience as the rest of the devs did 7-8 years ago. I agree though that unreal engine sucks.
Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 3192	Posted - 2014.03.09 02:44:00 - [15] - Quote Auris Lionesse wrote: Himiko Kuronaga wrote: Rinzler XVIII wrote: Himiko Kuronaga wrote: http://www.gamespot.com/articles/infamous-second-son-preorders-beating-the-last-of-us/1100-6418180/ So much for that 80 million user install base on PS3 huh? Second Son isn't even a game I was planning on buying and it's doing that well, simply due to lack of choices available. Can we have Dust on PS4 now? That game does look awesome though and the 1st 1 was pretty good too DUST is a long way off being at that calibre and honestly it is better off staying on the PS3 so it doesn't have to directly compete with the next gen games. Maybe in 2/3 years this game will have all its bugs fixed, we'll have more gamemodes,bigger teams, balance, better graphics, no lag etc etc until then it'll stay on the PS3 Dust looked good too, before it was ported to the worst piece of hardware with the worst engine on the last generation. I guess hiring a bunch of cheap chinese labor to make the game didn't do them any favors either. Actually the cell in the ps3 is more powerful than the xbox360 and I dont even need to mention the wii. Just harder to develop for because it was brand new tech. No one had experience with it, which is why dust is in the state it's in, Chinas 14 year console ban means no one in china knows anything about developing on a ps3. The problem isn't the ps3, it's shanghais lack of console optimization Dust514 is basically a game from 2007. the team has as much experience as the rest of the devs did 7-8 years ago. I agree though that unreal engine sucks. You're not giving me new information. I've heard preaching about the cell for years now. It has yet to produce any results that were superior to the 360. Developer incompetence or not, its current status is bottom of the barrel. If the architecture is so entirely inaccessible to developers that nobody can take advantage of it, then that simply detracts its value even further. If nobody in China knew how the hell to program for the thing, that doesn't exactly make CCP decision of hiring cheap chinese labor any better does it?
Michael Arck Onuoto Uakan Huogaatsu Lokun Listamenn 3377	Posted - 2014.03.09 02:48:00 - [16] - Quote Enough with the Dust on PS4 talks already. Second Son? Meh. Not really interested. Probably just as hyped as Bioshock Infinite was. And that game sucked to the highest degree. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Are you OUKH?
Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 3193	Posted - 2014.03.09 02:51:00 - [17] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: Enough with the Dust on PS4 talks already. Wrong. The CCP Marketing beatings will continue until morale improves.
Auris Lionesse Capital Acquisitions LLC Renegade Alliance 400	Posted - 2014.03.09 02:53:00 - [18] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: Enough with the Dust on PS4 talks already. Second Son? Meh. Not really interested. Probably just as hyped as Bioshock Infinite was. And that game sucked to the highest degree. Did you think bioshock one sucked? what's your top games of last gen?
Malkai Inos Onikanabo Brigade Caldari State 1198	Posted - 2014.03.09 02:55:00 - [19] - Quote This horse is dead and rotten. You don't go and do a cross architecture port just like that. The decision to be on PS4 at/close to launch would have had to be made a year or two ago at least. There's no use pointing out a well expected downside to a long past long-term business decision. You can take a benign object, -you can take a cheeseburger and deconstruct it to its source...
Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 3193	Posted - 2014.03.09 02:57:00 - [20] - Quote Lots of people liked bioshock, and every game in that franchise has sold well. The studio closing down caught the entire industry off guard. I'm not personally a fan of the gameplay. Feels a bit dated to me, and pretty linear considering it has a money system. Some other things feel "off" about it to me. Maybe it has to do with the art style, now that I think about it.... but it is a quality game, even if its very much on-rails.

Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 3193	Posted - 2014.03.09 03:00:00 - [21] - Quote Malkai Inos wrote: This horse is dead and rotten. You don't go and do a cross architecture port just like that. The decision to be on PS4 at/close to launch would have had to be made a year or two ago at least. There's no use pointing out a well expected downside to a long past long-term business decision. Actually, you do go and make that decision. Especially when the game runs like ass as much as it does. It's not properly optimized for the PS3 because it was originally developed for PC and architecture that is similar to PC (360 which is now no longer possible, and PS4). Optimizing it further for the PS3 would make it more difficult to port to other systems, which has always been the goal. They've just been held back by stupid marketing decisions combined with bad resource allocation, and thats whats keeping us in limbo.
Roy Ventus Axis of Chaos 1281	Posted - 2014.03.09 03:09:00 - [22] - Quote Nah. Do the mechanics and game modes and stuff first then port it to the PS4...They're still going to have a PS3 base so yeah. Rushing to throw it on the PS4 just to half-ass the other functions is silly. "There once was a time when there wasn't a Roy Ventus and it wasn't much of a time at all." Roy Ventus
Malkai Inos Onikanabo Brigade Caldari State 1198	Posted - 2014.03.09 03:09:00 - [23] - Quote Himiko Kuronaga wrote: Malkai Inos wrote: This horse is dead and rotten. You don't go and do a cross architecture port just like that. The decision to be on PS4 at/close to launch would have had to be made a year or two ago at least. There's no use pointing out a well expected downside to a long past long-term business decision. Actually, you do go and make that decision. Especially when the game runs like ass as much as it does. It's not properly optimized for the PS3 because it was originally developed for PC and architecture that is similar to PC (360 which is now no longer possible, and PS4). Optimizing it further for the PS3 would make it more difficult to port to other systems, which has always been the goal. They've just been held back by stupid marketing decisions combined with bad resource allocation, and thats whats keeping us in limbo. Point is. The decision was made. A port will not happen any time soon. Rising sales numbers regarding the PS4 and its games were completely expected aswell as probably accounted for. Going all "told 'ya" about it seems rather moot at this point. Edit: Also, no one but CCP knows if effectively scrapping the game yet again, switch tu UE4 and rewrite everything for a console that just had it's dev kits released was even a financial possibility. I have a strong feeling that "focus" was more of a necessity than a commitment. You can take a benign object, -you can take a cheeseburger and deconstruct it to its source...
Dovallis Martan JenusKoll Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 663	Posted - 2014.03.09 03:15:00 - [24] - Quote jordy mack wrote: can we have it on ps4 now? no we cant, search forums for reasons. could we have it on pc tomorrow? yep. but we wont. There is no way in HELL that CCP could manage a FPS on the PC kid. That happens to be why they're starting on the consoles, because they have no idea how to counter aim hacking and positional peeking that are prevalent on the PC. If you can read this, it means you are reading. Unless you are skimming
Skihids Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 3005	Posted - 2014.03.09 03:24:00 - [25] - Quote Lipstick on a pig.
Jared Till Inexorabilis Industries 0	Posted - 2014.03.09 03:34:00 - [26] - Quote Himiko Kuronaga wrote: Auris Lionesse wrote: Himiko Kuronaga wrote: Rinzler XVIII wrote: Himiko Kuronaga wrote: http://www.gamespot.com/articles/infamous-second-son-preorders-beating-the-last-of-us/1100-6418180/ So much for that 80 million user install base on PS3 huh? Second Son isn't even a game I was planning on buying and it's doing that well, simply due to lack of choices available. Can we have Dust on PS4 now? That game does look awesome though and the 1st 1 was pretty good too DUST is a long way off being at that calibre and honestly it is better off staying on the PS3 so it doesn't have to directly compete with the next gen games. Maybe in 2/3 years this game will have all its bugs fixed, we'll have more gamemodes,bigger teams, balance, better graphics, no lag etc etc until then it'll stay on the PS3 Dust looked good too, before it was ported to the worst piece of hardware with the worst engine on the last generation. I guess hiring a bunch of cheap chinese labor to make the game didn't do them any favors either. Actually the cell in the ps3 is more powerful than the xbox360 and I dont even need to mention the wii. Just harder to develop for because it was brand new tech. No one had experience with it, which is why dust is in the state it's in, Chinas 14 year console ban means no one in china knows anything about developing on a ps3. The problem isn't the ps3, it's shanghais lack of console optimization Dust514 is basically a game from 2007. the team has as much experience as the rest of the devs did 7-8 years ago. I agree though that unreal engine sucks. You're not giving me new information. I've heard preaching about the cell for years now. It has yet to produce any results that were superior to the 360. Developer incompetence or not, its current status is bottom of the barrel. If the architecture is so entirely inaccessible to developers that nobody can take advantage of it, then that simply detracts its value even further. If nobody in China knew how the hell to program for the thing, that doesn't exactly make CCP decision of hiring cheap chinese labor any better does it? That is false The Last Of Us looked better than any other game on consoles and better than almost all pc games.
ZDub 303 TeamPlayers Negative-Feedback 2339	Posted - 2014.03.09 03:47:00 - [27] - Quote Jared Till wrote: That is false The Last Of Us looked better than any other game on consoles and better than almost all pc games. You obviously don't own a decent gaming PC. TLoU does not look better than a well built PC game maxed out on capable hardware. They did some fancy work with the game, and for how terribad the PS3 is, they did an incredible job on it. To say it looks better than almost all PC games though is uninformed and a tad offensive. Agreed Himiko, Dust needs to get on PS4 asap simply because they clearly need more hardware. This game will never be much more than it is now until they can get to a better platform. PS3 limitations... so sad.
Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 3194	Posted - 2014.03.09 03:49:00 - [28] - Quote Jared Till wrote: That is false The Last Of Us looked better than any other game on consoles and better than almost all pc games. No, it didn't. It had good character models, which is where the majority of the system resources went into. The actual environmental textures were average, and the areas were small to keep things manageable. The game also did an INCREDIBLE amount of pre-loading to make it all work. It was a good game, and it probably did push the PS3 about as far as it could go, but it did not trump other games graphically when resource management, complete environment detail and total area used are taken into account. Don't even try to say that it looks better than almost all PC games, because that is a bald faced lie. I can mod the hell out of 2002's Morrowind on PC until it looks better than Last of Us. Let's not even go into more recent games.
Jared Till Inexorabilis Industries 0	Posted - 2014.03.09 04:10:00 - [29] - Quote ZDub 303 wrote: Jared Till wrote: That is false The Last Of Us looked better than any other game on consoles and better than almost all pc games. You obviously don't own a decent gaming PC. TLoU does not look better than a well built PC game maxed out on capable hardware. They did some fancy work with the game, and for how terribad the PS3 is, they did an incredible job on it. To say it looks better than almost all PC games though is uninformed and a tad offensive. Agreed Himiko, Dust needs to get on PS4 asap simply because they clearly need more hardware. This game will never be much more than it is now until they can get to a better platform. PS3 limitations... so sad. Actually I do own a good pc over $1000 has been put in to it. I max out all games I have played (Skyrim with mods that include 4k resolution textures and increased polygon count for 3D models, BF3,Total war games,etc) the only game I can't max out is Arma 2. I stand by my comment that The Last Of Us looks better than almost all PC games without mods. The witcher, BF4,Arma 3 and few other games is the only ones that can bet out the graphics of The Last Of Us. This Is why I said almost all PC games because there thousands upon thousands of PC games out on steam and everywhere else and only very few can stack up to The Last Of Us.
Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 3194	Posted - 2014.03.09 04:15:00 - [30] - Quote Disagree again, for the reasons already listed. Last of Us did not push its environments hard at all. You can claim a game looks better due to the character models because thats what the game attempts to make you focus on the majority of the time, but that doesn't make it true.



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