My idea is to make a wall similar to the mcc. Things pass through but things don't shoot out.

I mean it already exists in the game

No damage from your own redline and no time based SP gain (bullsh*t anyway) while in the red line or MCC Period Dot

PS no damn WP for blowing up unhacked installations.

I propose a new installation: The merc launcher. It allows you to fire one merc from your redline to somewhere on the battlefield. 2 minute cool down and only works when your team has 0 points capped. Warning: If the "ammo" fails to deploy inertia dampener...splat!

PS I wrote that jokingly but it's actually a kinda cool idea...remember the launchers in MGS 4 to get them on the ship? We are 20000 years past that...easy tech!

I think 1.8 will hurt redline snipers enough, as for rail tanks... remove them from the game.

redline shenanigans are a map design issue.

All newer maps limit the ability to score kills across large tracts of the map from the redline.


Newer sockets also prevent alot of sniping from great distance.


old maps come from a different design principal, and allow for redline sniping to encourage the sniper rifles use.... read: the maps from beta days.

Well, it isnt exactly fun when you get sniped by an objective once you start hacking it and the enemy is either Rail Gun Tanking or just a regular joe schmo sniper shoots you because he decides he should camp it to get some free money/kill from you. It's not balanced what-so-ever and should in that sense have a strong impact to it: Causality. You snipe in redline, you get punished for taking the easy route.

I do like the SP idea, that's a good one.The No damage might be a bit extreme, because whats going to happen if your team get's pushed back ALL THE WAY. And you cant break out of it because your weapons don't do any damage?

So an idea came up awhile back someone proposed about ending redline matches early...they are given like a 2 minute timer or something negotiable in which to contest an objective or the match ends assuming you have already obtained some value of MCC lead.

I can't remember exactly but that was the gist of it...if you've capped all points for a cetain amount of time it enters into a countdown for you to do something or else forfeit.

Understood, but at the same time it would just make sense to have it where they can at least have the option to do that, if they choose so. It was more a use of balance that allows them to do that but punishes them for staying in there for too long. Passively kicks them out so they HAVE to fight, to gain money.

Hey, good on you for coming up with new ideas for the red line but ultimately I feel the red line needs to be reworked. Obviously total removal is probably out of the question but really all it would take is re-factoring the red line so that no area in the red line gives people a clear line of site over the whole map.

I dont mind being sniped, I dont mind being rail gunned by a rail tank, I just hate the fact that there is NO possible way for me to attack them when they are in the red line or so far back that nothing can be done.

While that maybe true about re-working the map layouts, it can also be daunting for some Snipers because that ALMOST forces them to be an "In-field Sniper" where your more so inside the battle and not so much behind enemy lines. But again I feel that you can still be effective IF, they have it where if your in the Red-Line a good percentage (fair) of Damage is taken off the weapon. If you so choose to stay behind and farm, these are the consequences of those actions. Almost a slap in the wrist for not "Playing Fair".

it would be nice but the shield would have to work both ways one thing i hate is calling a vehicle n before it even hits the grounds its gone. i think its better that way so if your teams redlined you have a chance to make an all out push with your squad at least and would prevent tanks from camping redline

Interesting, like you say though this will only be at best a 'slap on the wrists'. This will not however fix issues we have with red line tanks.

I honestly believe the red lines / maps need to be adjusted. I am very sceptical of any "slap on the wrist" type changes as ultimately - it still does not give us players any way to attack said red liners :(

It most definitely will, because the higher your damage output is on that tank or installation, the weaker your shots will be, this forces you to work cooperatively as a team to push out together.

However this will not be the case, at least in regards to red line rail tanks VS dropships. The red line tanks will still sit in the red line, even if there damage drops to 50% - they still have the ability to kill dropships. They will still have the ability to knock the drop ship all over the place. They will still have the ability to deny a dropship huge areas of the map and there will still be no way to get to them to destroy them (Or at least attack them).

Granted I am now thinking in terms of Railtank VS ADS. My problem is not that they can kill me in a few shots. That's fine. I just want even ground. If they can shoot me, so too should I be able to shoot them (Given I can close distance on them.)

Not hide behind the red line or far back in some red zone mountain area that I cannot get to without being destroyed by the game timer.

While that is a great way to get people out there it feels almost forced upon. The game is meant to be played and have fun, not feel personally attacked in order to get an objective or kill. I feel from the options thus far that we have mentioned are the beginning stages of slowly getting people out of it because lets face it without ISK you cant get the gear, without enough SP your stuck grinding, Without as much damage your nudged to get out of it and finally without a shroud of purpose; there is no purpose in playing this game. At all.

Pro's and Con's right?

So instead of waiting 10 mins trying to run into the enemy redline to get a kill you could transition to more fun than redline camping quicker.

The reality is if you've achieved a presumptive lead that cannot be overcome unless all objectives are taken...then whats the point in waiting the 10 minutes to prove it when the clock can come online and give the enemy team [insert amount of time here] to do something or move on...what's more fun...trying to redline rail and snipe because you've accepted you can't win...or moving on?

Why bring up sp or gear?

It's quite possible to take out proto's with militia gear as this heavy event has aptly shown. Sure gear makes a difference...but this doesn't make the suggestion any less palatable unless you have more to share?

The purpose of playing this game for me is machiavellian politics, enthralling eve lore, and the hope of a better environment for competitive play...and what we have now in PC in the meantime.