Unfortunately we didn't get a chance to redo the slots and PG/CPU for all the medium frames in Uprising 1.8. Expect those changes to come in a future update.

Nope. I won't agree with anything that takes away my sidearm.

how about reducing the slots to match that of the basic and assaults and buffing the hp of the logistics suits

Perhaps you could make a suggestion for a fair slot allotment across the logis then? Perhaps an argument as to why the Amarr needs a sidearm more than another slot, etc. when it'll suck at anything assault related while it lacks any sort of tanking or combat bonuses?

Because the biggest reason people specced I to it was the sidearm. It should keep it.

Another thing that kind of bothers about the Logi is the CPU/PG count. While it is inarguably neccessary for the Logi to be able to properly fill out its slots, the current dynamic also allows them to forego equipment, hence: Slayer Logi's. I think that in addition to the fitting bonus they recieve for equipment, they should also recieve a fitting penalty to non-equipment. I am, unfortunately, still a little fuzzy on how to implement this without completely gimping the suit.

It would, however, give a clear defining line between Assault and Logi suits.

Meh...the game needs High/Mid/Low-slots.

The game already has them, sort of. EVE doesn't have equipment/weapon slots. Our weapon/equipment slots are siphoned-off versions of would-be mid-slots or high-slots.

Another thing that kind of bothers about the Logi is the CPU/PG count. While it is inarguably neccessary for the Logi to be able to properly fill out its slots, the current dynamic also allows them to forego equipment, hence: Slayer Logi's. I think that in addition to the fitting bonus they recieve for equipment, they should also recieve a fitting penalty to non-equipment. I am, unfortunately, still a little fuzzy on how to implement this without completely gimping the suit.

It would, however, give a clear defining line between Assault and Logi suits.

The game already has them, sort of. EVE doesn't have equipment/weapon slots. Our weapon/equipment slots are siphoned-off versions of would-be mid-slots or high-slots.

Eve does have weapon slots, all ships have turret or bay slots for fitting turrets or missile launchers, even mining barges.

Slots are not all created equal. With the TTK adjustment, sidearms are going to be a huge advantage to players. Fitting a great combo that plays with the other weaknesses is going to matter. Not having a sidearm, means you will be a sitting duck as you have to reload. This is a FPS, were the goal is, no matter your specialty is to kill the other team. Having a combo of light + sidearm is greater than 4 equipment. Even if the logi speed and hp were buffed above the assault, the assaults would be able to out tank and speed a logi if he had more slots than them. Not to mention, as we seen with the scout, with to few H/L slots (especialy with only 1 H or L slot) takes away any flexibility in fitting selections.

Equal H/L is the way to balance them. In 1.8, with the lack of ways to add damage and having a sidearm will render logi slayers useless. No need to nerf them into non existence. Considering they are just the same suit just slightly modified, they should be equal in most stats except for speed.

Is the take away supposed to be the total number of slots, or are you especially attached to the specific arrangement you've given them at the various levels?

Right, I was throwing out potential slot allocations, but having the races even and the math separating them from the assaults was the key part of the proposals.

So, you could remove those 4th equipment slots on the Minmatar/Gallente Logi to give them more slots?

You "could".

I suppose I was attempting to preserve the pre-existing scheme whereby they had made the Gallente and Minmatar the more "team-player" or "support-focused" logis. Ergo, they carry more gear, and the more "selfish" races or whatever carry slightly less. Something like that? I'm not sure exactly what their thinking was, but it seemed to be along those lines.

There's no reason you couldn't equalize the slots, but I would imagine towards 4 instead of 3 would be the more "logistics" focused sort of decision with respect to design.

I had always thought the Gallente could stand to loose the 4th equipment slot at pro to. Emphasize the Minmatar as the 'swiss army knife of logis' and the pre 1.8 gallante bonus meant they could bring in the higher-tier goods easier.

But now, with the bonus changes coming I can't say whether or not that change would be a good idea. Of course, as a Gal Logi I would rather loose an extra high slot than one of my lows (I'll need the scan range amps to help with my active-scanner role as team Scanner-bunny).

Was expecting actual balance.
Found another "nerf logis" thread started by an assault.

[quote=Hagintora]Another thing that kind of bothers about the Logi is the CPU/PG count. While it is inarguably neccessary for the Logi to be able to properly fill out its slots, the current dynamic also allows them to forego equipment, hence: Slayer Logi'...

Part of me thinks a move like ZERO equipment on assaults would make logis even more necessary (as logis) as well, with assaults receiving a grenade bonus to compensate. This would also give Basic frames a use as medium suit between assaults and logis that can actually carry 1 equipment.

No way on an Assault equipment slot reduction! We already have to avoid running heavies because the nanite injector is too important when your 200k isk logi friends fall. Right now the speed and equipment slot is the only thing keeping everyone from running slayer logis.

I just want the logistics suits to make sense as they get better.

The minmatar is 2/2, 3/3, 4/4. That makes sense.

The Caldari is 2/1, 3/2, 5/4...why? You gain 4 extra module slots at proto, which makes the advanced worthless.
Oh and what is with the standard gallente logi going from 0/2 to 2/3? The standard suit is worthless.

What happens if they boost Assault slots?

The slots are the same in the dev blog.

maybe we should see how the assaults and scouts excell in 1.8 before we try and make a balance with simple slot math, cpu and pg is the main balance required for the logistics medium frames, as well as ixing basic armour plate cost..

nerf logis more=the troll logi 1 milita BPO needle and 2 compact nanohives

As an equipment based Logi I want to see the ADV suit of each race able to carry proto equipment and a decent eHP. I don't care so much about dealing damage as I'd rather avoid it if possible.

I've currently got Minmitar Logi 5 but I never ever run the proto suit due to its outrageous expense when fitted with four pieces of proto equipment. Lose just one of those suits and kiss your profit goodbye.

I'll need Caldari Logistics for hive deployment, and that huge jump in slots between ADV and Proto bothers me. I don't want to have to run proto to make a survivable fit.

This is an interesting point. While not an issue of "field strength", the cost of logis means that loss of a suit is a huge hit, especially with all PRO equipment and filling up more slots than an assault has.

How do you balance the cost of all the extra slots (H/L, and equipment) with the fact that having extra slots can provide a competitive advantage in combat as well? In that vein, schemes where the logi is more defense/equipment oriented but can't project the same combat power make sense. I think they already "tried" to do that, but the poor TTK and powerful rifles meant that a suit that was overly defense focus was clearly better than something like an assault. Being able to survive longer was enough to be = logi dominance.

This is an issue with equipment as well, since hives can provide reps and ammo, giving logis even more staying power.

The shift in the recent bonuses were away from defense bonus (all logis lost reps) and towards equipment. I assume the slot changes will be partially aimed at this too. However, if they wanted to limit the slot count overall (the flexibility element), then it seems like they may have needed to adjust to base stats to make them more defense-focused at the same time.

The intent here is to reward specialization and create room for future modules that will enhance the performance of equipment, allowing specialists to further customize their fits in a way that allows them to excel at a specific function.

You are a fool and an imbecile who uses walls of text for a simple response to give off the image of intelligence.
And you are apparently blind as well.

This is what logi slots are for:
http://dust514.com/news/2014/03/equipment-uprising-1.8/
The first paragraph above the active scanner stats picture reads...



Logis will need those slots you so obviously desire to strip them of for the future equipment enhancement modules.
So,you can take your slot envy and shove it.

Why don't you tell me how you really feel?

I like how the quote you took from the dev blog says nothing about them needing more slots than other suits. It just says that the bonuses are intended to reward specialization, and they're planning to make modules that further do so. Logis could fit modules to modify equipment with fewer slots, just as they can choose to use slots for different things now. I might add on the point of "slot envy" that I run a proto logistics suit.

Did you see Proposal 1, you know the one where their slots stay numerous or increase? It's cool if you're illiterate, blind, have a short attention span, or are in some other way mentally deficient; I wouldn't go around assuming other people have the same issues as you though.

Oh my,an assault user specced into a logi suit and runs it like an assault suit? What a suprise!

How about you stop running your suit like a logihoe,and start using it like a logibro,then you'll see how ******** your ideas really are.

No true logibro would ever desire to gimp a fellow logi (regardless of race) because true logibros know how hard it is to be one.

You're an assault user that specced into logis out of jealously and spite,and not to support.
So use as many big sounding words you want true logibros know you're a fool and an imbecile.

I feel the logis shouldn't be trying to mimic the assaults (4/2 slot layout at proto) as they rely more on support slots/having more evened slot layouts, it's actually one of the reasons i chose Minmatar in uprising, as you had your shield midframe, then your armor medframe, galassault i imagine having 2/5 slot layout, with the logi having 3/4.
Caldari would go 4/3 on logi, 5/2 on assault, minmatar being 4/3 assault and 3/4 logi, while amarr has 1/5(they still have lower slots right?) and 2/4 or 3/3 logi.