Was expecting actual balance.
Found another "nerf logis" thread started by an assault.

[quote=Hagintora]Another thing that kind of bothers about the Logi is the CPU/PG count. While it is inarguably neccessary for the Logi to be able to properly fill out its slots, the current dynamic also allows them to forego equipment, hence: Slayer Logi'...

Part of me thinks a move like ZERO equipment on assaults would make logis even more necessary (as logis) as well, with assaults receiving a grenade bonus to compensate. This would also give Basic frames a use as medium suit between assaults and logis that can actually carry 1 equipment.

No way on an Assault equipment slot reduction! We already have to avoid running heavies because the nanite injector is too important when your 200k isk logi friends fall. Right now the speed and equipment slot is the only thing keeping everyone from running slayer logis.

I just want the logistics suits to make sense as they get better.

The minmatar is 2/2, 3/3, 4/4. That makes sense.

The Caldari is 2/1, 3/2, 5/4...why? You gain 4 extra module slots at proto, which makes the advanced worthless.
Oh and what is with the standard gallente logi going from 0/2 to 2/3? The standard suit is worthless.

What happens if they boost Assault slots?

The slots are the same in the dev blog.

maybe we should see how the assaults and scouts excell in 1.8 before we try and make a balance with simple slot math, cpu and pg is the main balance required for the logistics medium frames, as well as ixing basic armour plate cost..

nerf logis more=the troll logi 1 milita BPO needle and 2 compact nanohives

As an equipment based Logi I want to see the ADV suit of each race able to carry proto equipment and a decent eHP. I don't care so much about dealing damage as I'd rather avoid it if possible.

I've currently got Minmitar Logi 5 but I never ever run the proto suit due to its outrageous expense when fitted with four pieces of proto equipment. Lose just one of those suits and kiss your profit goodbye.

I'll need Caldari Logistics for hive deployment, and that huge jump in slots between ADV and Proto bothers me. I don't want to have to run proto to make a survivable fit.

This is an interesting point. While not an issue of "field strength", the cost of logis means that loss of a suit is a huge hit, especially with all PRO equipment and filling up more slots than an assault has.

How do you balance the cost of all the extra slots (H/L, and equipment) with the fact that having extra slots can provide a competitive advantage in combat as well? In that vein, schemes where the logi is more defense/equipment oriented but can't project the same combat power make sense. I think they already "tried" to do that, but the poor TTK and powerful rifles meant that a suit that was overly defense focus was clearly better than something like an assault. Being able to survive longer was enough to be = logi dominance.

This is an issue with equipment as well, since hives can provide reps and ammo, giving logis even more staying power.

The shift in the recent bonuses were away from defense bonus (all logis lost reps) and towards equipment. I assume the slot changes will be partially aimed at this too. However, if they wanted to limit the slot count overall (the flexibility element), then it seems like they may have needed to adjust to base stats to make them more defense-focused at the same time.

The intent here is to reward specialization and create room for future modules that will enhance the performance of equipment, allowing specialists to further customize their fits in a way that allows them to excel at a specific function.

You are a fool and an imbecile who uses walls of text for a simple response to give off the image of intelligence.
And you are apparently blind as well.

This is what logi slots are for:
http://dust514.com/news/2014/03/equipment-uprising-1.8/
The first paragraph above the active scanner stats picture reads...



Logis will need those slots you so obviously desire to strip them of for the future equipment enhancement modules.
So,you can take your slot envy and shove it.

Why don't you tell me how you really feel?

I like how the quote you took from the dev blog says nothing about them needing more slots than other suits. It just says that the bonuses are intended to reward specialization, and they're planning to make modules that further do so. Logis could fit modules to modify equipment with fewer slots, just as they can choose to use slots for different things now. I might add on the point of "slot envy" that I run a proto logistics suit.

Did you see Proposal 1, you know the one where their slots stay numerous or increase? It's cool if you're illiterate, blind, have a short attention span, or are in some other way mentally deficient; I wouldn't go around assuming other people have the same issues as you though.

Oh my,an assault user specced into a logi suit and runs it like an assault suit? What a suprise!

How about you stop running your suit like a logihoe,and start using it like a logibro,then you'll see how ******** your ideas really are.

No true logibro would ever desire to gimp a fellow logi (regardless of race) because true logibros know how hard it is to be one.

You're an assault user that specced into logis out of jealously and spite,and not to support.
So use as many big sounding words you want true logibros know you're a fool and an imbecile.

I feel the logis shouldn't be trying to mimic the assaults (4/2 slot layout at proto) as they rely more on support slots/having more evened slot layouts, it's actually one of the reasons i chose Minmatar in uprising, as you had your shield midframe, then your armor medframe, galassault i imagine having 2/5 slot layout, with the logi having 3/4.
Caldari would go 4/3 on logi, 5/2 on assault, minmatar being 4/3 assault and 3/4 logi, while amarr has 1/5(they still have lower slots right?) and 2/4 or 3/3 logi.