DUST Search - So CCP, in your blanket nerfs, you forgot a couple of things

Cat Merc wrote:

1. AV and Flux grenades didn't need to have their count reduced.
Before any shield tanker comes in here and complains, flux grenades are really only useful to remove equipment and locus grenades already strip the shields of shield tankers anyway.

2. Breach AR didn't need a nerf, if it was left alone it would actually look pretty good

3. You didn't nerf the scrambler rifle as much as the other rifles, probably because of overheat reasons.
But you also spared the ASSAULT SCRAMBLER RIFLE from the nerf the other rifles got.
So what does that mean?
Well, the Assault Scrambler Rifle now has higher DPS than the AR.

That's right, it has more range, larger clip size, faster reload and now it also has higher DPS! (Used to be very slightly lower than the AR)

Fantastic job CCP! *Clap Clap Clap*

Now here is something that baffles me very much, because these werent parts of a blanket nerf, CCP specifically left them out.

The Assault Combat Rifle AND the Assault Rail Rifle too didn't get such a nerf.
So now weapons with more range will do more DPS than the AR?
Really?
REALLY?

And of course!
How could I forget?
The Magsec SMG wasn't hit, so it's now a compact AR, excellent! Straight

That's it, AR officialy dead (again), new rifle FOTM is the Assault variants of any of the other rifles or Magsec SMG.

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Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries General Tso's Alliance 7157	Posted - 2014.03.06 19:56:00 - [1] - Quote 1. AV and Flux grenades didn't need to have their count reduced. Before any shield tanker comes in here and complains, flux grenades are really only useful to remove equipment and locus grenades already strip the shields of shield tankers anyway. 2. Breach AR didn't need a nerf, if it was left alone it would actually look pretty good 3. You didn't nerf the scrambler rifle as much as the other rifles, probably because of overheat reasons. But you also spared the ASSAULT SCRAMBLER RIFLE from the nerf the other rifles got. So what does that mean? Well, the Assault Scrambler Rifle now has higher DPS than the AR. That's right, it has more range, larger clip size, faster reload and now it also has higher DPS! (Used to be very slightly lower than the AR) Fantastic job CCP! Clap Clap Clap Now here is something that baffles me very much, because these werent parts of a blanket nerf, CCP specifically left them out. The Assault Combat Rifle AND the Assault Rail Rifle too didn't get such a nerf. So now weapons with more range will do more DPS than the AR? Really? REALLY? That's it, AR officialy dead (again), new rifle FOTM is the Assault variants of any of the other rifles. Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives. DUST514514
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries General Tso's Alliance 7158	Posted - 2014.03.06 20:16:00 - [2] - Quote Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives. DUST514514
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 10498	Posted - 2014.03.06 20:17:00 - [3] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake.
TechMechMeds SWAMPERIUM 2795	Posted - 2014.03.06 20:19:00 - [4] - Quote Scr and msec, tasty. Level 2 forum warrior. Dust on the ps4 asap please I sold my family to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic
Scheherazade VII 305	Posted - 2014.03.06 20:20:00 - [5] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Cat Merc wrote:
Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 4892	Posted - 2014.03.06 20:21:00 - [6] - Quote Scheherazade VII wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Cat Merc wrote: *1st Official Role Playing Gallente Asshole* -Title Awarded by True Adamance
Buster Friently Rosen Association 1927	Posted - 2014.03.06 20:22:00 - [7] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: 1. AV and Flux grenades didn't need to have their count reduced. Before any shield tanker comes in here and complains, flux grenades are really only useful to remove equipment and locus grenades already strip the shields of shield tankers anyway. 2. Breach AR didn't need a nerf, if it was left alone it would actually look pretty good 3. You didn't nerf the scrambler rifle as much as the other rifles, probably because of overheat reasons. But you also spared the ASSAULT SCRAMBLER RIFLE from the nerf the other rifles got. So what does that mean? Well, the Assault Scrambler Rifle now has higher DPS than the AR. That's right, it has more range, larger clip size, faster reload and now it also has higher DPS! (Used to be very slightly lower than the AR) Fantastic job CCP! Clap Clap Clap Now here is something that baffles me very much, because these werent parts of a blanket nerf, CCP specifically left them out. The Assault Combat Rifle AND the Assault Rail Rifle too didn't get such a nerf. So now weapons with more range will do more DPS than the AR? Really? REALLY? And of course! How could I forget? The Magsec SMG wasn't hit, so it's now a compact AR, excellent! That's it, AR officialy dead (again), new rifle FOTM is the Assault variants of any of the other rifles or Magsec SMG. All of the hitscan bullet hoses should be nerfed. Thanks for pointing out the one's that weren't. Hopefully CCP will nerf those too. You are also right on about the problem with flux and AV grenades getting hit with the grenade anti-spam. They need to stay the same. Maybe they can have their ammo count bumped up to compensate or something.
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 10504	Posted - 2014.03.06 20:22:00 - [8] - Quote Sgt Kirk wrote: Scheherazade VII wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Cat Merc wrote: You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake.
IAmDuncanIdaho II R 0 N 1 N 252	Posted - 2014.03.06 20:22:00 - [9] - Quote Nelo Angel0 wrote: Sgt Kirk wrote: Scheherazade VII wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Cat Merc wrote:
Nelo Angel0 RETR0 PR0 GAMERS 190	Posted - 2014.03.06 20:22:00 - [10] - Quote Sgt Kirk wrote: Scheherazade VII wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Cat Merc wrote:

Llast 326 An Arkhos 2229	Posted - 2014.03.06 20:23:00 - [11] - Quote Assault Variants areGÇª something that really should be looked at. They are a large contributor to imbalances in the Rifles since 1.7 (at least that is when i noticed them as an issue) The Grenade changes somewhat baffle me. I remember much QQ about grenade spam being an issue, though I always thought the issue was with Locus, not Flux and defiantly not AV. Hell some people still have trouble accepting that Flux are useful, and I have even seen people refer to using them as "gimping" their fitting. lol Unless I am missing something about AV nadesGÇª this one is really a WTFGÇª Why now, WHY (I think the Magsec did get lowered in damage from the original posting, but I am not certain) KRRROOOOOOM
TechMechMeds SWAMPERIUM 2795	Posted - 2014.03.06 20:23:00 - [12] - Quote IAmDuncanIdaho II wrote: Sgt Kirk wrote: Scheherazade VII wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Level 2 forum warrior. Dust on the ps4 asap please I sold my family to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic
Mike Ox Bigger Skill Shots 149	Posted - 2014.03.06 20:25:00 - [13] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: 3. You didn't nerf the scrambler rifle as much as the other rifles, probably because of overheat reasons. But you also spared the ASSAULT SCRAMBLER RIFLE from the nerf the other rifles got. So what does that mean? Well, the Assault Scrambler Rifle now has higher DPS than the AR. That's right, it has more range, larger clip size, faster reload and now it also has higher DPS! (Used to be very slightly lower than the AR) Fantastic job CCP! Clap Clap Clap Yeah but that Assault ScR has some serious kick issues, I hate using the thing.
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries General Tso's Alliance 7162	Posted - 2014.03.06 20:27:00 - [14] - Quote Mike Ox Bigger wrote: Cat Merc wrote: 3. You didn't nerf the scrambler rifle as much as the other rifles, probably because of overheat reasons. But you also spared the ASSAULT SCRAMBLER RIFLE from the nerf the other rifles got. So what does that mean? Well, the Assault Scrambler Rifle now has higher DPS than the AR. That's right, it has more range, larger clip size, faster reload and now it also has higher DPS! (Used to be very slightly lower than the AR) Fantastic job CCP! Clap Clap Clap Yeah but that Assault ScR has some serious kick issues, I hate using the thing. It has less kick than the AR. Try to fire both non stop, the AR will go wild while AsCR will stay in place. The "shake" is purely visual and doesn't affect where your gun hits. Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives. DUST514514
Cody Sietz Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 2546	Posted - 2014.03.06 20:28:00 - [15] - Quote :( "I do agree with you there though. shudders" -Arkena Wyrnspire
Cyrius Li-Moody 3955	Posted - 2014.03.06 20:29:00 - [16] - Quote The flux grenade nerf makes me very very sad. They're so useful AND THEY NEVER KILLED ANYONE! Except when they were broken. Youtuber. Your friendly neighborhood whiskey-fueled merc.
Mossellia Delt Militaires Sans Jeux 1008	Posted - 2014.03.06 20:32:00 - [17] - Quote CCP posted in the dev blog thread that the magsec's stats we currently have are PRE-nerf. Join the Channel - CPM1 Candidates - Get to know who's running. Delt for CPM1
IAmDuncanIdaho II R 0 N 1 N 252	Posted - 2014.03.06 20:36:00 - [18] - Quote Mossellia Delt wrote: CCP posted in the dev blog thread that the magsec's stats we currently have are PRE-nerf. Didn't he say he also amended them? Can't be arsed to look :-o Getting excited about 1.8....sorry Cat Merc - come be a scout, it will suit your feline graces
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries General Tso's Alliance 7164	Posted - 2014.03.06 20:36:00 - [19] - Quote Mossellia Delt wrote: CCP posted in the dev blog thread that the magsec's stats we currently have are PRE-nerf. It does more DPS than the AR Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives. DUST514514
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries General Tso's Alliance 7164	Posted - 2014.03.06 20:38:00 - [20] - Quote IAmDuncanIdaho II wrote: Mossellia Delt wrote: CCP posted in the dev blog thread that the magsec's stats we currently have are PRE-nerf. Didn't he say he also amended them? Can't be arsed to look :-o Getting excited about 1.8....sorry Cat Merc - come be a scout, it will suit your feline graces I'll be a Magsec scout. Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives. DUST514514

ThePrinceOfNigeria Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 346	Posted - 2014.03.06 20:39:00 - [21] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: That's it, AR officialy dead Recently returning to the game from a point where the AR dominated everything from all ranges all I can say is "HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! NEENER NEENER NEENER!!!!"
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries General Tso's Alliance 7165	Posted - 2014.03.06 20:40:00 - [22] - Quote ThePrinceOfNigeria wrote: Cat Merc wrote: That's it, AR officialy dead Recently returning to the game from a point where the AR dominated everything from all ranges all I can say is "HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! NEENER NEENER NEENER!!!!" The AR has been useless for an entire build now Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives. DUST514514
Buster Friently Rosen Association 1927	Posted - 2014.03.06 20:43:00 - [23] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: ThePrinceOfNigeria wrote: Cat Merc wrote: That's it, AR officialy dead Recently returning to the game from a point where the AR dominated everything from all ranges all I can say is "HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! NEENER NEENER NEENER!!!!" The AR has been useless for an entire build now It's funny you should say that because the weapons that are actually useless are things like the MD, the laser, the flaylock, the Plasma Cannon. The AR is still widely used. It's just been overshadowed lately by it's even more OP cousins - the new rifles.
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries General Tso's Alliance 7166	Posted - 2014.03.06 20:50:00 - [24] - Quote Buster Friently wrote: Cat Merc wrote: ThePrinceOfNigeria wrote: Cat Merc wrote: That's it, AR officialy dead Recently returning to the game from a point where the AR dominated everything from all ranges all I can say is "HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! NEENER NEENER NEENER!!!!" The AR has been useless for an entire build now It's funny you should say that because the weapons that are actually useless are things like the MD, the laser, the flaylock, the Plasma Cannon. The AR is still widely used. It's just been overshadowed lately by it's even more OP cousins - the new rifles. Useless out of the four rifles. Happy? :P Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives. DUST514514
Buster Friently Rosen Association 1928	Posted - 2014.03.06 20:54:00 - [25] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Buster Friently wrote: Cat Merc wrote: ThePrinceOfNigeria wrote: Cat Merc wrote: That's it, AR officialy dead Recently returning to the game from a point where the AR dominated everything from all ranges all I can say is "HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! NEENER NEENER NEENER!!!!" The AR has been useless for an entire build now It's funny you should say that because the weapons that are actually useless are things like the MD, the laser, the flaylock, the Plasma Cannon. The AR is still widely used. It's just been overshadowed lately by it's even more OP cousins - the new rifles. Useless out of the four rifles. Happy? :P Well, that's still pretty useful compared to the rest
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries General Tso's Alliance 7170	Posted - 2014.03.06 21:00:00 - [26] - Quote Buster Friently wrote: Well, that's still pretty useful compared to the rest Oh don't get pissy. I'm comparing rifle to rifle, saying "this is more underpowered" is just annoying. Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives. DUST514514
Jack McReady DUST University Ivy League 1140	Posted - 2014.03.06 21:00:00 - [27] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: 1. AV and Flux grenades didn't need to have their count reduced. Before any shield tanker comes in here and complains, flux grenades are really only useful to remove equipment and locus grenades already strip the shields of shield tankers anyway. 2. Breach AR didn't need a nerf, if it was left alone it would actually look pretty good 3. You didn't nerf the scrambler rifle as much as the other rifles, probably because of overheat reasons. But you also spared the ASSAULT SCRAMBLER RIFLE from the nerf the other rifles got. So what does that mean? Well, the Assault Scrambler Rifle now has higher DPS than the AR. That's right, it has more range, larger clip size, faster reload and now it also has higher DPS! (Used to be very slightly lower than the AR) Fantastic job CCP! Clap Clap Clap Now here is something that baffles me very much, because these werent parts of a blanket nerf, CCP specifically left them out. The Assault Combat Rifle too didn't get such a nerf. So now weapons with more range will do more DPS than the AR? Really? REALLY? And of course! How could I forget? The Magsec SMG was barely hit, so it's now a compact AR, excellent! That's it, AR officialy dead (again), new rifle FOTM is the Assault variants of any of the other rifles or Magsec SMG. as usual cat merc is spot on and haters come in and flood this thread with flawed scrub logic as "arguments"
Buster Friently Rosen Association 1928	Posted - 2014.03.06 21:02:00 - [28] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Buster Friently wrote: Well, that's still pretty useful compared to the rest Oh don't get pissy. I'm comparing rifle to rifle, saying "this is more underpowered" is just annoying. Well, it may be annoying to you, but it's important. Part of this patch was obviously meant to better balance the hitscan bullet hoses vs the other weapons that, despite no one using them, still exist in the game. In short, there's more to Dust than rifles and hopefully this will only get more so.
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries General Tso's Alliance 7170	Posted - 2014.03.06 21:05:00 - [29] - Quote Buster Friently wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Buster Friently wrote: Well, that's still pretty useful compared to the rest Oh don't get pissy. I'm comparing rifle to rifle, saying "this is more underpowered" is just annoying. Well, it may be annoying to you, but it's important. Part of this patch was obviously meant to better balance the hitscan bullet hoses vs the other weapons that, despite no one using them, still exist in the game. In short, there's more to Dust than rifles and hopefully this will only get more so. Again, this has nothing to do with the problem at hand. Yes, some weapons are underpowered, but this thread wasn't about them. Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives. DUST514514
Buster Friently Rosen Association 1928	Posted - 2014.03.06 21:08:00 - [30] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Buster Friently wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Buster Friently wrote: Well, that's still pretty useful compared to the rest Oh don't get pissy. I'm comparing rifle to rifle, saying "this is more underpowered" is just annoying. Well, it may be annoying to you, but it's important. Part of this patch was obviously meant to better balance the hitscan bullet hoses vs the other weapons that, despite no one using them, still exist in the game. In short, there's more to Dust than rifles and hopefully this will only get more so. Again, this has nothing to do with the problem at hand. Yes, some weapons are underpowered, but this thread wasn't about them. Im sorry, Cat Merc, but I pointed out in my first post that you are right about the grenades, but when you say the AR is dead, that's where you're really, really wrong. It remains to be seen if all of the hitscan bullet hoses remain OP, but currently they all are. Including the AR - relative to the rest of the pack. Dust has been this way forever, and it's about time that adjustments were made. The AR is still better than a chunk of weapons in the game, so how can you say it's dead without at least acknowledging that it's only dead relative to the rest of the OP hitscan field. Dust isn't all about hitscan rifles, and those weapons need to be part of the discussion if someone is going to declare a weapon "dead". there are much more "dead" weapons in Dust than the AR.



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