Im sorry, Cat Merc, but I pointed out in my first post that you are right about the grenades, but when you say the AR is dead, that's where you're really, really wrong.

It remains to be seen if all of the hitscan bullet hoses remain OP, but currently they all are. Including the AR - relative to the rest of the pack. Dust has been this way forever, and it's about time that adjustments were made. The AR is still better than a chunk of weapons in the game, so how can you say it's dead without at least acknowledging that it's only dead relative to the rest of the OP hitscan field. Dust isn't all about hitscan rifles, and those weapons need to be part of the discussion if someone is going to declare a weapon "dead".

there are much more "dead" weapons in Dust than the AR.

As a shield tanker I would just like to say fluxes go through walls, locus don't. That said I use flux grenades and would like to see them stay at three, same with av nades.
Don't much care for the rest of your post.

Assault Variants areGǪ something that really should be looked at. They are a large contributor to imbalances in the Rifles since 1.7 (at least that is when i noticed them as an issue)
The Grenade changes somewhat baffle me.
I remember much QQ about grenade spam being an issue, though I always thought the issue was with Locus, not Flux and defiantly not AV.
Hell some people still have trouble accepting that Flux are useful, and I have even seen people refer to using them as "gimping" their fitting. lol
Unless I am missing something about AV nadesGǪ this one is really a WTFGǪ Why now, WHY

(I think the Magsec did get lowered in damage from the original posting, but I am not certain)

It's funny you should say that because the weapons that are actually useless are things like the MD, the laser, the flaylock, the Plasma Cannon. The AR is still widely used. It's just been overshadowed lately by it's even more OP cousins - the new rifles.

It's funny how only one of those weapons was nerfed, yet they became "useless" when hit detection was fixed(except my poor PLC, it was never super useful)

As a matter of fact, 2 of those weapons are getting buffs. Wonder if 1.8 will be a MD/laser spam fest(just like Crome was)

Chrome was never a laser/MD fest. The AR has always outstripped usage by far.

At that time, excepting snipers, AR use outstripped all other weapons combined.

Now, back then lasers and MDs were useful. Lets hope they are again.

Oh, and for the record, all three were nerfed. Some repeatedly. Also, they didn't become useless solely due to fixes in hit detection. They became useless due to nerfs and due to AA being introduced which made the already OP hitscan bullet hoses even more OP.

1. AV and Flux grenades didn't need to have their count reduced.
Before any shield tanker comes in here and complains, flux grenades are really only useful to remove equipment and locus grenades already strip the shields of shield tankers anyway.

2. Breach AR didn't need a nerf, if it was left alone it would actually look pretty good

3. You didn't nerf the scrambler rifle as much as the other rifles, probably because of overheat reasons.
But you also spared the ASSAULT SCRAMBLER RIFLE from the nerf the other rifles got.
So what does that mean?
Well, the Assault Scrambler Rifle now has higher DPS than the AR.

That's right, it has more range, larger clip size, faster reload and now it also has higher DPS! (Used to be very slightly lower than the AR)

Fantastic job CCP! *Clap Clap Clap*


Now here is something that baffles me very much, because these werent parts of a blanket nerf, CCP specifically left them out.

The Assault Combat Rifle too didn't get such a nerf.
So now weapons with more range will do more DPS than the AR?
Really?
REALLY?

And of course!
How could I forget?
The Magsec SMG was barely hit, so it's now a compact AR, excellent!

That's it, AR officialy dead (again), new rifle FOTM is the Assault variants of any of the other rifles or Magsec SMG.

1. We don't know the Vehicules Balance : Wait and see.
2. Breach AR is useless and nobody use it, delete it, more people complain about than use it.
3. AsCR and SCR have bonuses on shield which is low (So...useless bonuses) and penality on armor which is 80% of ehp of..everybody. So they almost have a native 20% Permanent Nerf.


Assault Combat rifle needs a bigger nerf i agree since they have ...weird bonuses.
10% bonus on armor but only 5% penality on shield...AND they got the best DPS...something is wrong here......

1. AV and Flux grenades didn't need to have their count reduced.
Before any shield tanker comes in here and complains, flux grenades are really only useful to remove equipment and locus grenades already strip the shields of shield tankers anyway.

2. Breach AR didn't need a nerf, if it was left alone it would actually look pretty good

3. You didn't nerf the scrambler rifle as much as the other rifles, probably because of overheat reasons.
But you also spared the ASSAULT SCRAMBLER RIFLE from the nerf the other rifles got.
So what does that mean?
Well, the Assault Scrambler Rifle now has higher DPS than the AR.

That's right, it has more range, larger clip size, faster reload and now it also has higher DPS! (Used to be very slightly lower than the AR)

Fantastic job CCP! *Clap Clap Clap*


Now here is something that baffles me very much, because these werent parts of a blanket nerf, CCP specifically left them out.

The Assault Combat Rifle too didn't get such a nerf.
So now weapons with more range will do more DPS than the AR?
Really?
REALLY?

And of course!
How could I forget?
The Magsec SMG was barely hit, so it's now a compact AR, excellent!

That's it, AR officialy dead (again), new rifle FOTM is the Assault variants of any of the other rifles or Magsec SMG.

Oh don't get pissy.

I'm comparing rifle to rifle, saying "this is more underpowered" is just annoying.

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AsCR get an extra 20% damage to shields, just like they get -20% to armor.
So in the end their all around effectiveness doesn't take a hit from the different resistances.

SCR does, since the overheat is significant and chewing armor is going to be an issue.


Oh and confirmed, vehicles were not touched.