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Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
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Posted - 2014.03.07 00:47:00 -
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Delta 749 wrote:
You are talking straight power buffs while Im talking situational ones that are geared to a weapons niche, big difference there
The rifles really really didnt need to be nerfed, hell the point of an assault rifle type weapon is to be widely used by an army since it can cover multiple roles well and let a soldier adapt to multiple situations without having to carry more gear/swap out gear all the time
Your argument is like asking a real world army why they dont have more guys using pistols shotguns and sniper rifles rather than a M4 or what have you
Wouldn't change anything.
If I were to give the Mass Driver a smokescreen effect that lasted on the screen for 3/4/5s (STD/ADV/PRO), would it change the fact that my Combat Rifle can near insta-kill anything that's not a Heavy?
If I were to give the Sniper Rifle a tagging ability, would it change the fact that my Rail Rifle has is practically a Fully-Automatic Sniper Rifle // Shotgun hybrid?
Even in there own respective sense, the rifles were OP. Imagine something with the ganking power of a CreoDron Shotgun, a 40-70m range, and a 40-70 round magazine. How balanced does that sound to you?
This is New Eden. In New Eden, you must sacrifice one thing for another. Anything that's "Jack of All Trades" is considerably worse, or contains numerous drawbacks that bring them in-line with the other options.
Name one major, long term drawback that any of the rifles have that would make running another weapon class favorable?
This isn't real life, so your final point is flawed. DUST 514 is designed to be a unique, Sci-Fi FPS/MMO. It wasn't designed as a Call of Duty clone. There needs to be more that 4 weapons that are actually worth using, and you need to be able to last more than 1-2s on the battlefield.
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Onesimus Tarsus
Bragian Order
Amarr Empire
1425
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Posted - 2014.03.07 00:50:00 -
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Dauth Jenkins wrote:+1, try using a difficult weapon, and when you go back to the rifle, it's easy mode.
Ion cannon 1.8!
"Man, DUST 514 is so cool! You can play any way you want, pick any weapon, and everyone will be cool with it, because they're just so cool and different and cool."
Unless you're just addicted to wetsuit paperdolls...
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Scheneighnay McBob
Learning Coalition College
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Posted - 2014.03.07 01:40:00 -
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Also:
Your assault rifle may be weaker than its racial counterparts, but it's still overpowered as hell next to everything else.
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Godin Thekiller
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
1830
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Posted - 2014.03.07 01:44:00 -
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Wait, you didn't try and troll people? da ****?
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Lanius Pulvis
Bullet Cluster
Legacy Rising
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Posted - 2014.03.07 01:48:00 -
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Well...(sigh)...I ag(cough)...I agr(choke)...damnit, I AGREE with Atiim...
That felt horrible, please don't talk sense again anytime soon.
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Michael Arck
Onuoto Uakan Huogaatsu
Lokun Listamenn
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Posted - 2014.03.07 01:56:00 -
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There is no such thing as weapon balance. It's a lie. There will always be one weapon superior to another and vice versa.
Secondly, I blame death. Because of death, TTK is being increased. Because of death, RR are getting nerfed heavy. Because of death, logi suits are changing.
1.8 reads almost like a customer feedback response with a little bit of what CCP wanted to add. If this was about 6 months ago, the talks were that TTK needs to be shortened.
I'm not sure if the community is actually keeping up with what was before and what was now. First this is cool, then its not. First this is bad, but then is not.
Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu.
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Meeko Fent
Kirkinen Risk Control
Caldari State
1925
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Posted - 2014.03.07 02:26:00 -
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Atiim wrote:Delta 749 wrote:Theres a difference between being decent all around but overshadowed by niche weapons and having what was decent all around beaten with a stick so its crippled
Rather than nerfing them over and over they should have buffed those niche weapons to make them truly more effective in their niches
Im talking huge head shot bonuses on sniper rifles, back stab bonuses with knives, and so on
-Hand The niche weapons (for the most part) were already effective in their niche. I could buff Mass Drivers to where the Breach would 1HK you, but that still wouldn't change the fact that my Combat Rifle would wipe half your squad in one clip now would it? I could buff Sniper Rifles to the point where the Tactical had the power of a Thale's, but that still wouldn't stop my Rail Rifle from being a Long Range Shotgun with the CQC effectiveness of an actual Shotgun now would it? The Rifles had to be nerfed. When you have a plentiful source of weapons and the only ones people use are four of them, you know there's a problem with your game. I can't believe I'm saying this, but CCP made the right swing with their nerfbat.
Perhaps.
But again, It remains to be seen. I just hope they readjust the MagSec. Otherwise, I'm fine with the current, and new balance.
RR's weren't all that much more powerful then the others, IMO. Were they superior? Yes, but not OP waffles Superior.
Was the AR kinda useless? A little. But its not completely terribad. It was still a good gun.
IDK. Maybe this was needed, but again, perhaps the niches needed to be niche. The MD needed to rock peoples camera like before, disorient them. The Shotty needed to recycle faster, and the breach shotty need a few more bullets. The NK needs a backstab bonus. The Sniper needs a huge headshot Multiplier. Those are necessary for niche weapons to be niche, and not "A rifle, only good in X range", which is a issue several weapons (Not the MD or Shotty, mind you,) suffered from.
The lack of truly different things. The SR is really just was a really long range AR, with 3 shots a clip and a scope. It lacked a fundamentally different style. Just shoot the guys and kill them. Headshots are better, but your probably not going to need them. The NK are just REALLY short ranged ARs, that deal 600 damage in one hit, they lacked the different style, the sneaking style that the Spy's knife has is TF2. You could bumrush the guys with a NK or sneak and backstab, it makes no difference besides the obvious fact that your likely going to be blapped by them if you bumrush.
I think both needed to be done. And they need to adjust the MagSec. Badly... But besides the point.
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Deacon Obvious
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.03.07 05:44:00 -
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Atiim wrote:Dauth Jenkins wrote:+1, try using a difficult weapon, and when you go back to the rifle, it's easy mode.
Ion cannon 1.8! I wish my Scout could use 80GJ Turrets. Ion Pistols? For sure. Ion Cannons? Far too heavy. 
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Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
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Posted - 2014.03.07 14:49:00 -
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Lanius Pulvis wrote:Well...(sigh)...I ag(cough)...I agr(choke)...damnit, I AGREE with Atiim...
That felt horrible, please don't talk sense again anytime soon.
I'll try my hardest :P
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Soldier Sorajord
Subsonic Synthesis
RISE of LEGION
160
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Posted - 2014.03.07 21:12:00 -
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Somebody has yet to quote me xD
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