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CCP Logibro
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2014.03.06 11:12:00 -
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The CPM White Paper describes how the CPM operates, as well as the election process including candidate and voter eligibility. Anyone wanting to participate in the CPM process, whether by voting or standing as a candidate for the council is encouraged to read this document. The CPM White Paper can be found here.
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Mossellia Delt
Militaires Sans Jeux
1007
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Posted - 2014.03.06 11:38:00 -
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As someone who is looking very much forward to the elections, yay!
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Kevall Longstride
DUST University Ivy League
1047
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Posted - 2014.03.06 11:45:00 -
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Excuse me as I bury my nose in this for a while.
Good job guys! o7
Mercenary Clone of Dennie Fleetfoot
CEO of DUST University
CPM1 candidate
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Kevall Longstride
DUST University Ivy League
1047
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Posted - 2014.03.06 12:02:00 -
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Pretty much as expected and the 90 day minimum age for accounts coupled with a 60hr playtime on the account is a solid move. I'm assuming that the 60hr rule is spread over the three toons per account?
I look forward to learning about the actual voting mechanism (in game or Web based) and any promotion of the election itself by CCP in game in the Daily Reports of the Neocom.
Mercenary Clone of Dennie Fleetfoot
CEO of DUST University
CPM1 candidate
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Mossellia Delt
Militaires Sans Jeux
1007
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Posted - 2014.03.06 12:07:00 -
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Kevall Longstride wrote:Pretty much as expected and the 90 day minimum age for accounts coupled with a 60hr playtime on the account is a solid move. I'm assuming that the 60hr rule is spread over the three toons per account?
I look forward to learning about the actual voting mechanism (in game or Web based) and any promotion of the election itself by CCP in game in the Daily Reports of the Neocom.
Should of added the same 60 hour playtime for those running imho
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Kevall Longstride
DUST University Ivy League
1047
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Posted - 2014.03.06 12:18:00 -
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Additionally, CCP reserves the right to exclude anyone from candidate eligibility.
I assume that would stand if CCP felt a candidate hadn't played enough time on the game to be considered.
Mercenary Clone of Dennie Fleetfoot
CEO of DUST University
CPM1 candidate
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CEOPyrex CloneA
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
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Posted - 2014.03.06 13:07:00 -
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God i love white papers, they look so 'official'
Excellent read, this looks like a great governance structure to manage the CPM, voting system seems slightly open to abuse with multiple accounts but to be honest there likely isnt much anyone can do to stop those kinda things.
I also like that the 3 point framework that the CPM will be asked to operate under is clearly marked, showing that its not a 'holier than thou' position and one of a formal focus group.
My biggest fear is that certain fanbois get into this setup and dont have the social, experience, ethical or even educational background to get the most out of it and lord it over people with their CPM cape.
Jus sayin.
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Vrain Matari
Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic
1732
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Posted - 2014.03.06 13:17:00 -
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At long last! Congratz on finally getting this done CCP.
Got a fresh coffee, digging in now....
I support SP rollover.
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Kain Spero
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
2908
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Posted - 2014.03.06 13:26:00 -
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This right here is one of the main reasons I agreed to join the CPM and embark on this journey. From the early discussions on the forums to the IRC chats to the groundwork laid during this almost 12 months of CPM0, I'm glad to see this finally become a reality.
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IgniteableAura
Pro Hic Immortalis
646
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Posted - 2014.03.06 13:45:00 -
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I don't think 60hrs in 12 months is a smart move. It should be closer to election time with a smaller play time required. I really think it ought to include warpoints as well. So an account can't just be afk farmed.
Lastly, all stipulations for voters need to be put on the candidates as well.
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Vrain Matari
Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic
1732
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Posted - 2014.03.06 13:45:00 -
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Kain Spero wrote:This right here is one of the main reasons I agreed to join the CPM and embark on this journey. From the early discussions on the forums to the IRC chats to the groundwork laid during this almost 12 months of CPM0, I'm glad to see this finally become a reality. It's been a long road and a rocky one, prolly best described as an old goat path up a crumbling cliff-face ;)
Congratulations and thanks to all members of CPM0. This is a real milestone for DUST 514 and New Eden. gg peeps, your efforts are much appreciated o7
I support SP rollover.
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Kevall Longstride
DUST University Ivy League
1047
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Posted - 2014.03.06 13:46:00 -
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I have just a couple of questions now I've thought on.
1. Will there be in game method of confirming to the account holder they are eligible to vote?
2. I assume that there will be a special election forum either here in chambers or in General Discussion for instance?
Mercenary Clone of Dennie Fleetfoot
CEO of DUST University
CPM1 candidate
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Soraya Xel
The Corporate Raiders Top Men.
1621
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Posted - 2014.03.06 13:51:00 -
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Thanks for getting this done and out there.
I'd like to be your CPM1 candidate
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Vell0cet
SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance
1024
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Posted - 2014.03.06 14:53:00 -
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IgniteableAura wrote:I don't think 60hrs in 12 months is a smart move. It should be closer to election time with a smaller play time required. I really think it ought to include warpoints as well. So an account can't just be afk farmed.
Lastly, all stipulations for voters need to be put on the candidates as well. If you can just sit in your quarters and not fight for 60 hours then I agree there needs to be a WP requirement.
Overall, nice work CCP/CPM!
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Soraya Xel
The Corporate Raiders Top Men.
1621
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Posted - 2014.03.06 14:58:00 -
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Depending how shortly the election begins, if the criteria has to be met before the election, it might be hard to game a number of alts to meet that criteria in time. And of course, you had to have them created ahead of time as well.
I'd like to be your CPM1 candidate
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steadyhand amarr
TeamPlayers Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2014.03.06 15:32:00 -
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Despratly digs through his room to find his passport and get it renewed.
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Aero Yassavi
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
7262
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Posted - 2014.03.06 15:37:00 -
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How would CCP like members of the community to verify their identity so they can be acknowledged as candidates for CPM?
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Soraya Xel
The Corporate Raiders Top Men.
1621
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Posted - 2014.03.06 15:39:00 -
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Aero Yassavi wrote:How would CCP like members of the community to verify their identity so they can be acknowledged as candidates for CPM?
This should all be fairly well tied up with the passport requirement. They'll likely ask you to email/fax a copy of your passport.
I'd like to be your CPM1 candidate
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Aero Yassavi
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
7262
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Posted - 2014.03.06 16:11:00 -
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Soraya Xel wrote:Aero Yassavi wrote:How would CCP like members of the community to verify their identity so they can be acknowledged as candidates for CPM? This should all be fairly well tied up with the passport requirement. They'll likely ask you to email/fax a copy of your passport. Simple enough
CPM1 Candidacy Thread
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Appia Vibbia
Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance
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Posted - 2014.03.06 17:24:00 -
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So, how about that election forum?
Appia Vibbia for CPM1
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Jaysyn Larrisen
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
781
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Posted - 2014.03.06 17:30:00 -
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CEOPyrex CloneA wrote: snip
My biggest fear is that certain fanbois get into this setup and dont have the social, experience, ethical or even educational background to get the most out of it and lord it over people with their CPM cape.
Jus sayin.
That's a valid concern, Pyrex. My assesment is that the it won't take long for CCP, CPM1, and the player community to figure out who is not value added. It will be a pretty quick deduction for the CPM and CCP but the community will catch up pretty quick.
The CSMs on the EVE side have noted on more than one occaision that CSM members that are disruptive, provide minimal feedback, or push personal agendas are quickly sidelined. As for their personal interactions with the community or perhaps players in their alliance or corp...we have ways of sorting that out in the community.
"Endless money forms the sinews of War." - Cicero
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Raz Sidona
M.T.A.C Assault Operations Command Lokun Listamenn
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Posted - 2014.03.06 17:56:00 -
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Quote:The CPM will have an ongoing role of collecting general feedback from the community and high profile players. picking favorites there CCP? Also seems you are allowing those who may have been involved with boosting to run, disappointing |
Jaysyn Larrisen
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
781
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Posted - 2014.03.06 18:06:00 -
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Raz Sidona wrote:Quote:The CPM will have an ongoing role of collecting general feedback from the community and high profile players. picking favorites there CCP? Also seems you are allowing those who may have been involved with boosting to run, disappointing
I didn't catch that one on the first read through.
I don't know that it's about favorites so much as what constitues a "high profile players". It could be a top level PC slayer, Corp CEO, once the market is established well known trader / broker, or perhaps Alliance Chief that has strong links to EVE and Dust, video media star, or perhaps a well respected forum poster.
I am generally impressed with the detail of the document and the steps CCP is taking, however, little notes like "high profile players" should be clarified.
Could perhaps the some of the current CPM0 and prospective CPM1 candidates comment on this?
"Endless money forms the sinews of War." - Cicero
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DeeJay One
Guardian Solutions DARKSTAR ARMY
213
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Posted - 2014.03.06 18:24:00 -
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Good to see that finally! Now I'm left wondering if I have the 60 hours needed... |
Soraya Xel
The Corporate Raiders Top Men.
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Posted - 2014.03.06 18:35:00 -
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Jaysyn Larrisen wrote:I am generally impressed with the detail of the document and the steps CCP is taking, however, little notes like "high profile players" should be clarified.
Could perhaps the some of the current CPM0 and prospective CPM1 candidates comment on this?
As a statement of intent, I have the intention, if elected, to collect feedback from anyone who can put together a coherent thought.
My inclination is that "high profile players" comment is intended to be a stand-in for the types of players CCP has previously described in EVE as being responsible for driving the playerbase. "Enablers" and "Instigators". Probably those who invest a lot of time into videos and articles and charts and graphs to really dig into the game further than the average merc. But really, that statement does clearly highlight the community as a whole, so it isn't excluding the advice of the average player.
I'd like to be your CPM1 candidate
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Kevall Longstride
DUST University Ivy League
1047
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Posted - 2014.03.06 20:10:00 -
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Soraya pretty much summed it up there.
CCP have always been big on the Enablers and Instigators in New Eden as being the leading members of the community and driving it forward.
Mercenary Clone of Dennie Fleetfoot
CEO of DUST University
CPM1 candidate
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Raz Sidona
M.T.A.C Assault Operations Command Lokun Listamenn
63
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Posted - 2014.03.06 20:38:00 -
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yes there are those that make nice websites, charts, and videos but that doesnt always mean they are right with what they think or make their opinions more important. A player who has only played 1 hour could have an idea/opinion more helpful or important or valid than someone who has spent hours putting together a website. Both should be listened to equally, the way its worded suggest the high profile players should receive greater importance. these high profile players that CCP has not defined are part of the community, there was no need to list them separately unless they get special attention.
EDIT: some of the community is very dedicated to the game but dont always have the skills or equipment to put together videos, chats or other types of helpful material. They should should listened to just as much as those with the skills and material. |
Free Beers
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
1903
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Posted - 2014.03.06 23:14:00 -
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I hope we get a few good cpm1 members but I thinks its safe to say most will be trash. CCP Logibro none of this matters if ccp doesn't do its part. Which there is ample concern for already
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Ronan Elsword
Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn
205
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Posted - 2014.03.07 04:39:00 -
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Glad to see overall decent requirements for voting.
"War doesn't determine who is right, only who is left."
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True Adamance
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
7971
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Posted - 2014.03.07 07:32:00 -
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What other specific responsibilities would a CPM candidate have to take on board. Considering things like Time Zones, weekly availability and commitment of time, financial aspects associated with travel and such?
"War is not hell, far from it. War is beautiful. War is divine."
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Mossellia Delt
Militaires Sans Jeux
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Posted - 2014.03.07 09:04:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:What other specific responsibilities would a CPM candidate have to take on board. Considering things like Time Zones, weekly availability and commitment of time, financial aspects associated with travel and such?
I do believe CCP provides travel, accommodations (a place to sleep) and lunch and diner while you are visiting them. You are responcible for the rest or anything else you need, ex; alcohol or tobacco products.
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Celus Ivara
DUST University Ivy League
175
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Posted - 2014.03.07 11:49:00 -
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Paper's very good. You took the core of the CSM White Paper, re-tuned it for Dust, and honed it down to a very concise 3 pages. Great work. :)
Two very minor notes;
I was confused about whether there were going to be alternates voted in. If not, you may want to copy over this part from the CSM WP:
"Alternates are not part of the council structure; seven members are elected to the council and if a member, for whatever reason, is unable to serve on the council, it will carry on without a replacement member."
On the other hand, if we are electing alternates (or will have another method of bringing them in if need should arise) then maybe we should have text in the WP about that.
Second, a very minor lawyerly point that doesn't matter (especially since the CSM version has it too): In the CANDIDATE ELIGIBILITY and VOTER ELIGIBILITY sections, there is no clarification about whether "employees of other gaming companies/games" or "family members of CCP" may vote.
It is highly implicit though that they can. Like I said, not a real issue.
Supporting Kevall Longstride, CEO of DUST University, for CPM1
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Laurent Cazaderon
What The French Red Whines.
2200
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Posted - 2014.03.18 13:05:00 -
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This Char i only use on the forum.
To contact me : "Cazaderon" in game and on Skype.
Et vive la France !
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The Black Jackal
The Southern Legion League of Infamy
1072
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Posted - 2014.03.22 05:58:00 -
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Celus Ivara wrote:
Second, a very minor lawyerly point that doesn't matter (especially since the CSM version has it too): In the CANDIDATE ELIGIBILITY and VOTER ELIGIBILITY sections, there is no clarification about whether "employees of other gaming companies/games" or "family members of CCP" may vote.
"Anyone that has held a DUST 514 account for more than one hundred and eighty (180) days is eligible to put themselves forward as a candidate for a seat on the CPM, with the following exceptions: employees, volunteers, interns, affiliates, strategic partners, employees of other gaming companies/games, and family members of CCP are all ineligible."
"Additionally, banned accounts and accounts belonging to CCP employees are ineligible to vote. Volunteers, interns, affiliates and partners are permitted to vote."
Once you go Black, you just never go back!
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Dalmont Legrand
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Posted - 2014.03.30 01:39:00 -
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Just found out that I need visa for China, damn protectionist politics... I suppose I'll be out... not, unless CCP summit won't be held in China in next few weeks after elections.
The best is yet to come
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21yrOld Knight
Pradox XVI Proficiency V.
614
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Posted - 2014.04.01 03:24:00 -
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When are the elections. I didn't see a date on the white paper.
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Beren Hurin
Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION
2319
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Posted - 2014.04.24 13:05:00 -
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So would availability to be able to travel for all 3 events throughout the year be a pre-condition for candidacy/membership?
A weekend trip to iceland (2x), and Shanghai would get expensive and time consuming. People who don't own their business, or maybe are in school or have a more restrictive leave schedule might have a hard time taking off time to be present.
Can anyone weigh in on how many days this could really entail? |
Soraya Xel
Abandoned Privilege Top Men.
2149
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Posted - 2014.04.24 13:09:00 -
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Beren: Time commitment for CPM is huge. Both day-to-day and for such events. While I wouldn't assume attendance is necessarily mandatory (not all CSM get to go to all summits and events, for example), CPM hopefuls should expect to be able to set aside a lot of time for the job.
I'd like to be your CPM1 candidate
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Beren Hurin
Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION
2324
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Posted - 2014.04.25 15:47:00 -
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Soraya Xel wrote:Beren: Time commitment for CPM is huge. Both day-to-day and for such events. While I wouldn't assume attendance is necessarily mandatory (not all CSM get to go to all summits and events, for example), CPM hopefuls should expect to be able to set aside a lot of time for the job.
Do CPM members pay for their trips? |
Pokey Dravon
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
2004
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Posted - 2014.04.25 15:56:00 -
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Beren Hurin wrote:Soraya Xel wrote:Beren: Time commitment for CPM is huge. Both day-to-day and for such events. While I wouldn't assume attendance is necessarily mandatory (not all CSM get to go to all summits and events, for example), CPM hopefuls should expect to be able to set aside a lot of time for the job. Do CPM members pay for their trips?
I believe airfare, hotel, and ticket to the event itself is paid by CCP, but you are responsible for other expenses such as food, which can be expensive.
Like my ideas?
Pokey Dravon for CPM1
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mollerz
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Posted - 2014.05.04 05:49:00 -
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SO I guess this went into the round file. |
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CCP Frame
C C P C C P Alliance
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Posted - 2015.07.14 18:02:00 -
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White paper updated as per announcement! http://dust514.com/news/2015/07/cpm-2-election/
http://cdn1.eveonline.com/community/CPM/CPMWhitePaper.pdf
CCP Frame, CCP Community Team
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