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Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 4836	Posted - 2014.03.05 21:19:00 - [1] - Quote Now that the damage mods have been nerfed, which was very well needed but now they are somewhat useless. So what else is there to put in highslots for a armor tanker like me? I guess I'm going over to Dual tanking now. :/ Moral of the story: We need more highslot modules CCP you've got everything in the lows. *1st Official Role Playing Gallente Asshole* -Title Awarded by True Adamance
Tallen Ellecon KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 1543	Posted - 2014.03.05 21:20:00 - [2] - Quote I had the same thought. Ion pistol in 1.8? Really, is that it? When is that? SoonGäó514 "No blue tags make Tallen go crazy.
Supernus Gigas Star Giants 372	Posted - 2014.03.05 21:20:00 - [3] - Quote Myrofibril Stimulants are the obvious choice for me. *FIRE UP THE HEAVY MEAT GRINDER! WE'RE HAVIN' CLONE BURGERS TONIGHT, BOYS!*
Kaughst Nyain San Renegade Alliance 227	Posted - 2014.03.05 21:22:00 - [4] - Quote Sgt Kirk wrote: Now that the damage mods have been nerfed, which was very well needed but now they are somewhat useless. So what else is there to put in highslots for a armor tanker like me? I guess I'm going over to Dual tanking now. :/ Moral of the story: We need more highslot modules CCP you've got everything in the lows. I have said this before but I am still going to stack damage mods on my assault MD. Because basically the damage reduction on the damage mods in negligible and the MD buff makes up for that. So...3 complex dam mods in my high slot and I also get a innate armor rep. Nothing has really changed and I can still spam the weapon pretty well. "That is not how you say my name." "How do you say your name?" "I don't know but that is not how you say it."
Arx Ardashir Imperium Aeternum 636	Posted - 2014.03.05 21:22:00 - [5] - Quote Scan Range extenders! Get that 10m scan range up to a nifty 12m! Now is the winter of our non-content. Ghosts Chance's hero for 3/1/14.
Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 4836	Posted - 2014.03.05 21:26:00 - [6] - Quote Excluding the Shield modules there are only three modules two use. Precision Modifiers - (not really worth it on a suit with no scan range) Myrofibril Stimulants - Do I have to explain this one? Damage mods - Maybe just one just to fill a spot but more hp is better than 5% more damage now. The other 3/6 are shield modules, so guess what new problem CCP just exacerbated? *1st Official Role Playing Gallente Asshole* -Title Awarded by True Adamance
Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 4838	Posted - 2014.03.05 21:29:00 - [7] - Quote Arx Ardashir wrote: Scan Range extenders! Get that 10m scan range up to a nifty 12m! I wish Range extenders were in the highslots but they are in the Low Slots. Along with: [12] CPU Extenders PG Extenders Shield Regulators Code Breakers Armor plates Ferroscale plates Reactive Plates Armor Repairs Stamina Regenerators Kinetic Catalyzers Profile Dampeners Compared to the Lowslot options of: [6] Shield recharger Shield Energizer Shield extenders Damage mods - lol Precision enhancers- lol Myrofibril Stimulants - LAWL That's two times as many modules in the Low Slots compared to Highslots. *1st Official Role Playing Gallente Asshole* -Title Awarded by True Adamance
Kaughst Nyain San Renegade Alliance 228	Posted - 2014.03.05 21:30:00 - [8] - Quote Sgt Kirk wrote: Excluding the Shield modules there are only three modules two use. Precision Modifiers - (not really worth it on a suit with no scan range) Myrofibril Stimulants - Do I have to explain this one? Damage mods - Maybe just one just to fill a spot but more hp is better than 5% more damage now. The other 3/6 are shield modules, so guess what new problem CCP just exacerbated? The logi is getting a 5+ to scan range but a reduction to precision, I imagine a precision mod. would be potentially useful. "That is not how you say my name." "How do you say your name?" "I don't know but that is not how you say it."
Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 4838	Posted - 2014.03.05 21:34:00 - [9] - Quote Kaughst wrote: Sgt Kirk wrote: Excluding the Shield modules there are only three modules two use. Precision Modifiers - (not really worth it on a suit with no scan range) Myrofibril Stimulants - Do I have to explain this one? Damage mods - Maybe just one just to fill a spot but more hp is better than 5% more damage now. The other 3/6 are shield modules, so guess what new problem CCP just exacerbated? The logi is getting a 5+ to scan range but a reduction to precision, I imagine a precision mod. would be potentially useful. That's great for the Logistics class if that is true. Logis can be flexible with how they have their slot layout however this still leaves the other suits besides scouts kicking in the dirt with that module. *1st Official Role Playing Gallente Asshole* -Title Awarded by True Adamance
Roy Ventus Axis of Chaos 1265	Posted - 2014.03.05 21:35:00 - [10] - Quote Blah. I've been trying to think of stuff to give to high slots but everything's either been OP or underwhelming. We would need modules completely separated from EVE, because nothing else that EVE offers(except the hardenders and boosters) would really transfer over. "There once was a time when there wasn't a Roy Ventus and it wasn't much of a time at all." Roy Ventus

Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 4838	Posted - 2014.03.05 21:39:00 - [11] - Quote Roy Ventus wrote: Blah. I've been trying to think of stuff to give to high slots but everything's either been OP or underwhelming. We would need modules completely separated from EVE, because nothing else that EVE offers(except the hardenders and boosters) would really transfer over. Rate of Fire Enhancers Optimal Range Extenders Reinforced plates (adds a percentage of armor on your plates in the low slot ) If we had drones I can only imagine Drone Related Modules would go in highslots. *1st Official Role Playing Gallente Asshole* -Title Awarded by True Adamance
ZDub 303 TeamPlayers Negative-Feedback 2325	Posted - 2014.03.05 21:40:00 - [12] - Quote Codebreakers and all profile mods should be high slot mods imo. Especially profile damps. Sure extenders don't have a profile penalty like eve but they can be indirectly connected in a one vs other scenario. Codebreakers cause it is also and ewar mod and ewar seems to be a gallente specialty. Reactive plates maybe too? ... I know when they were release a lot of peeps said reactive plates would make a nice high slot mod.
darkiller240 WarRavens League of Infamy 523	Posted - 2014.03.05 21:44:00 - [13] - Quote well now you know how shield tankers feel like "Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results." - Albert Einstein
Roy Ventus Axis of Chaos 1265	Posted - 2014.03.05 21:47:00 - [14] - Quote Sgt Kirk wrote: Roy Ventus wrote: Blah. I've been trying to think of stuff to give to high slots but everything's either been OP or underwhelming. We would need modules completely separated from EVE, because nothing else that EVE offers(except the hardenders and boosters) would really transfer over. Rate of Fire Enhancers Optimal Range Extenders Reinforced plates (adds a percentage of armor on your plates in the low slot ) If we had drones I can only imagine Drone Related Modules would go in highslots. See, I brought up Optimal Range extenders and people thought it was OP. Because TTK is what is now, Optimal Range and RoF Enhancers could definitely work. Reinforced plates could be awesome too. "There once was a time when there wasn't a Roy Ventus and it wasn't much of a time at all." Roy Ventus
Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 4838	Posted - 2014.03.05 21:48:00 - [15] - Quote darkiller240 wrote: well now you know how shield tankers feel like looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool GTFO. CCP has shown blatant favoritism to Caldari ever since Modru's Private Trails. Shield suits have 6 more modules they can sink their teeth into than armor. and If you want to get rid of defense based modules it's 3 Highslots and 8 highslots. *1st Official Role Playing Gallente Asshole* -Title Awarded by True Adamance
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 13236	Posted - 2014.03.05 21:50:00 - [16] - Quote High Slots? Bandoliers (ammo +) Munitions Packs (big ammo +) Autoloaders (reload speed +) CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior, Annoying Artist \\= Advanced Caldari Assault // Unlocked
Cody Sietz Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 2532	Posted - 2014.03.05 21:51:00 - [17] - Quote I'd like to see reactive plates moved to the high slot. "I do agree with you there though. shudders" -Arkena Wyrnspire
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 10448	Posted - 2014.03.05 21:55:00 - [18] - Quote I feel that profile dampening, as a traditionally Gallentean strength, should be high-slot based. You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake.
Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 4841	Posted - 2014.03.05 21:56:00 - [19] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: High Slots? Bandoliers (ammo +) Munitions Packs (big ammo +) Autoloaders (reload speed +) Listen to your Wolf CCP. I do have a question though IWS. When CCP decided to give the most ridiculous blanket nerf to all weapons Did they even think about the weapons that were already suffering thus didn't need a nerf? 1 Example: Breach Assault Rifle was worthless before, now you might as well take it out of the game with only 300 DPS. Did you guys try to warn them about this blanket thinking CCP seems to love? *1st Official Role Playing Gallente Asshole* -Title Awarded by True Adamance
Th3rdSun L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 631	Posted - 2014.03.05 21:59:00 - [20] - Quote Sgt Kirk wrote: darkiller240 wrote: well now you know how shield tankers feel like looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool GTFO. CCP has shown blatant favoritism to Caldari ever since Modru's Private Trails. Shield suits have 6 more modules they can sink their teeth into than armor. and If you want to get rid of defense based modules it's 3 Highslots and 8 highslots. (Fun fact, Shortly after the plasma cannon came out (about 1 year ago I might add) I asked in a thread why it sucked so much. CCP's summarized response "We don't want to introduce a weapon as OP. We're trying not to create FoTM weapons right out the gate" Well, nice to see they threw that weapon philosophy right out the gate with the Caldari RR. (Which however is expecting to still be the FoTM rifle but I haven't run the hard numbers yet) This guy can't be serious.Caldari Assault is pretty much hard mode now as EVERYTHING is meant to rip shields a new one.

Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 13238	Posted - 2014.03.05 22:02:00 - [21] - Quote Sgt Kirk wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: High Slots? Bandoliers (ammo +) Munitions Packs (big ammo +) Autoloaders (reload speed +) Listen to your Wolf CCP. I do have a question though IWS. When CCP decided to give the most ridiculous blanket nerf to all weapons Did they even think about the weapons that were already suffering thus didn't need a nerf? 1 Example: Breach Assault Rifle was worthless before, now you might as well take it out of the game with only 300 DPS. Did you guys try to warn them about this blanket thinking CCP seems to love? Based on talks with the developers I know the following. The individual nerfs to specific weapons were handed out by generated numbers specifically looking into the ttk issue. The nerf on the damage mods was probably included those with intolerable amounts of TTK typically probably overstacked the damage mods. The altering of damage vs armor on proficiency was probably a systematic design to make shields and armor choices matter more. Remember the goal is to make it so that when you slap on an armor plate its noticable, when you slap on a shield extender its noticable, when you slap on a damage mod its noticeable. Different fits will feel different. We're not aiming for halo levels of ttk but we're not being in the instant blap thing either. While CCP may be doing too much at once again they have reasons for it. My hope is they continue with hotfix adjustments afterwards but well have to see once you guys start producing numbers. We didn't warn them we're sorta trusting ccp on this as these decisions seem grounded on good goals and intentions. What did blindside us the indirect AV nerf so it will be something me and the rest of the CPM will be discussing. CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior, Annoying Artist \\= Advanced Caldari Assault // Unlocked
Ghosts Chance Inf4m0us 1220	Posted - 2014.03.05 22:03:00 - [22] - Quote you underestimate how GOOD damage mods are now. on the surface they are less then what we have now BUT, the proficiany nerf means that were going to be missing 15% of our off type damage. aka a duvolle will be doing 15% less damage to armor. damage mods are the only way to cancel out the efficiancy loss on off type damage. aka the only way to get the duvolle to do decent damage to armor. your going to want to put damage mods in your high slots as gallante.
Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 4843	Posted - 2014.03.05 22:10:00 - [23] - Quote Th3rdSun wrote: This guy can't be serious.Caldari Assault is pretty much hard mode now as EVERYTHING is meant to rip shields a new one. What kills shields? here are all the counter shield weapons. Plasma rifle? It used to before it become obsolete. Shotgun- looool Plasma Cannon- what is a plasma cannon Breach assault rifle - nope Burst Assault Rifle - nope Tac Assault Rifle - not in 1.8 Laser rifle- maybe in 1.8, no numbers yet Scrambler Pistol and rifle (and assault) are the only weapons that are good that are anti shield. Ion Pistol- what a joke That's 4 out of all 11 weapons that are supposed to be good against shields that are actually good. Meanwhile in anti armor land you've got Combat Rifle [2] Rail Rifle [2] Mass Drivers [3] Flalock is garbage Sniper Rifles [3] Sniping Forgeguns [3] SMGs [3] Did I miss any weapons ? Seems to me all but one of anti armor infantry weapons are in tip top shape that's 15/16 weapons being good. *1st Official Role Playing Gallente Asshole* -Title Awarded by True Adamance
Ghosts Chance Inf4m0us 1220	Posted - 2014.03.05 22:12:00 - [24] - Quote Sgt Kirk wrote: Th3rdSun wrote: This guy can't be serious.Caldari Assault is pretty much hard mode now as EVERYTHING is meant to rip shields a new one. What kills shields? here are all the counter shield weapons. Plasma rifle? It used to before it become obsolete. Shotgun- looool Plasma Cannon- what is a plasma cannon Breach assault rifle - nope Burst Assault Rifle - nope Tac Assault Rifle - not in 1.8 Laser rifle- maybe in 1.8, no numbers yet Scrambler Pistol and rifle (and assault) are the only weapons that are good that are anti shield. Ion Pistol- what a joke That's 4 out of all 11 weapons that are supposed to be good against shields that are actually good. Meanwhile in anti armor land you've got Combat Rifle [2] Rail Rifle [2] Mass Drivers [3] Flalock is garbage Sniper Rifles [3] Sniping Forgeguns [3] SMGs [3] Did I miss any weapons ? Seems to me all but one of anti armor infantry weapons are in tip top shape that's 15/16 weapons being good. the good ole duvolle will tear apart shields quite well, especially if yoru a gallante suit with dmg mods.
Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 4843	Posted - 2014.03.05 22:14:00 - [25] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: snip I appreciate the response. The only thing that's the saving grace I got out of that is the hotfixes. Maybe now since we aren't on a monthly cycle and 1.8 is out of the way we can see more hotfixes to iron things out because there wen't too many during the monthly cycle. *1st Official Role Playing Gallente Asshole* -Title Awarded by True Adamance
CommanderBolt ACME SPECIAL FORCES RISE of LEGION 942	Posted - 2014.03.05 22:15:00 - [26] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Sgt Kirk wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: High Slots? Bandoliers (ammo +) Munitions Packs (big ammo +) Autoloaders (reload speed +) Listen to your Wolf CCP. I do have a question though IWS. When CCP decided to give the most ridiculous blanket nerf to all weapons Did they even think about the weapons that were already suffering thus didn't need a nerf? 1 Example: Breach Assault Rifle was worthless before, now you might as well take it out of the game with only 300 DPS. Did you guys try to warn them about this blanket thinking CCP seems to love? Based on talks with the developers I know the following. The individual nerfs to specific weapons were handed out by generated numbers specifically looking into the ttk issue. The nerf on the damage mods was probably included those with intolerable amounts of TTK typically probably overstacked the damage mods. The altering of damage vs armor on proficiency was probably a systematic design to make shields and armor choices matter more. Remember the goal is to make it so that when you slap on an armor plate its noticable, when you slap on a shield extender its noticable, when you slap on a damage mod its noticeable. Different fits will feel different. We're not aiming for halo levels of ttk but we're not being in the instant blap thing either. While CCP may be doing too much at once again they have reasons for it. My hope is they continue with hotfix adjustments afterwards but well have to see once you guys start producing numbers. We didn't warn them we're sorta trusting ccp on this as these decisions seem grounded on good goals and intentions. What did blindside us the indirect AV nerf so it will be something me and the rest of the CPM will be discussing. Unless you were not aware about any changes happening to dmg mods, and the adjustments to AV proficency, then all I can say is this is another reason that the CPM is a total waste of time. Seriously, I dont see the point of you guys. Nothing ever changes. Join our public channel - ACME SPECIAL FORCES PUB For the STATE!
Meeko Fent Kirkinen Risk Control Caldari State 1912	Posted - 2014.03.05 22:19:00 - [27] - Quote Sgt Kirk wrote: Now that the damage mods have been nerfed, which was very well needed but now they are somewhat useless. So what else is there to put in highslots for a armor tanker like me? I guess I'm going over to Dual tanking now. :/ Moral of the story: We need more highslot modules CCP you've got everything in the lows. Yup. Because you Wanted to be Something your Not.
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 13245	Posted - 2014.03.05 23:51:00 - [28] - Quote CommanderBolt wrote: Unless you were not aware about any changes happening to dmg mods, and the adjustments to AV proficency, then all I can say is this is another reason that the CPM is a total waste of time. Seriously, I don't see the point of you guys. Nothing ever changes. I don't see the point in a silent majority; these changes were known to be inbound in various and desire to change things in various forms and to be systematic sweeping publicly for a while just no hard numbers or details. And you guys are NOW just complaining? Welcome to discussion 4 months ago. I'll be happy to relay that we may have over nuked AV ability again to CCP though and get changes pushed through though. CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior, Annoying Artist \\= Advanced Caldari Assault // Unlocked
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 10474	Posted - 2014.03.06 00:01:00 - [29] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: CommanderBolt wrote: Unless you were not aware about any changes happening to dmg mods, and the adjustments to AV proficency, then all I can say is this is another reason that the CPM is a total waste of time. Seriously, I don't see the point of you guys. Nothing ever changes. I don't see the point in a silent majority; these changes were known to be inbound in various and desire to change things in various forms and to be systematic sweeping publicly for a while just no hard numbers or details. And you guys are NOW just complaining? Welcome to discussion 4 months ago. I'll be happy to relay that we may have over nuked AV ability again to CCP though and get changes pushed through though. These changes were known to be inbound and similar points were made in the past, but often these threads were met with "Oh, the details aren't final yet." There were definitely threads about many of the same issues that are coming up now. They have been ignored. This has all been seen before - 1.2 plate stats, RR/CR stats, and a handful of other things. In each case, CCP have 'asked for feedback' and then completely ignored it. Nice of you to welcome people to the discussion 4 months ago, though. It'd be nice if anyone outside CCP and the CPM actually knew that it was seriously being discussed. You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake.
Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 4850	Posted - 2014.03.06 00:09:00 - [30] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: These changes were known to be inbound and similar points were made in the past, but often these threads were met with "Oh, the details aren't final yet." There were definitely threads about many of the same issues that are coming up now. They have been ignored. This has all been seen before - 1.2 plate stats, RR/CR stats, and a handful of other things. In each case, CCP have 'asked for feedback' and then completely ignored it. Nice of you to welcome people to the discussion 4 months ago, though. It'd be nice if anyone outside CCP and the CPM actually knew that it was seriously being discussed. I swear they think their harboring government secrets at CCP. *1st Official Role Playing Gallente Asshole* -Title Awarded by True Adamance

True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 7882	Posted - 2014.03.06 00:12:00 - [31] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: CommanderBolt wrote: Unless you were not aware about any changes happening to dmg mods, and the adjustments to AV proficency, then all I can say is this is another reason that the CPM is a total waste of time. Seriously, I don't see the point of you guys. Nothing ever changes. I don't see the point in a silent majority; these changes were known to be inbound in various and desire to change things in various forms and to be systematic sweeping publicly for a while just no hard numbers or details. And you guys are NOW just complaining? Welcome to discussion 4 months ago. I'll be happy to relay that we may have over nuked AV ability again to CCP though and get changes pushed through though. These changes were known to be inbound and similar points were made in the past, but often these threads were met with "Oh, the details aren't final yet." There were definitely threads about many of the same issues that are coming up now. They have been ignored. This has all been seen before - 1.2 plate stats, RR/CR stats, and a handful of other things. In each case, CCP have 'asked for feedback' and then completely ignored it. Nice of you to welcome people to the discussion 4 months ago, though. It'd be nice if anyone outside CCP and the CPM actually knew that it was seriously being discussed. Admittedly I am still pissed CCP hasn't even bothered to respond, and understandably no one want to respond to an open critique of design choice, to any of the larger, well thought out, or well supported by the community threads that have appeared in the last few months. It would be nice if CCP could sit down with community members outside of the CPM to discuss other sweeping changes to this game, even if it was merely as a sounding board rather than an open round table or something like that. .... "War is not hell, far from it. War is beautiful. War is divine." - Grand Admiral Mekioth Sarum
Vrain Matari Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic 1730	Posted - 2014.03.06 06:30:00 - [32] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: CommanderBolt wrote: Unless you were not aware about any changes happening to dmg mods, and the adjustments to AV proficency, then all I can say is this is another reason that the CPM is a total waste of time. Seriously, I don't see the point of you guys. Nothing ever changes. I don't see the point in a silent majority; these changes were known to be inbound in various and desire to change things in various forms and to be systematic sweeping publicly for a while just no hard numbers or details. And you guys are NOW just complaining? Welcome to discussion 4 months ago. I'll be happy to relay that we may have over nuked AV ability again to CCP though and get changes pushed through though. ^ That's just embarrassing. Discussion 4 months ago? You point me to where CCP stated, or the community decided that: 1) The answer to nadespam was to reduce # of grenades to 2. 2) The Gallente AR needed to be nerfed harder than the SCR, especially the already-useless variants. 3) The MD needed a splash buff. 4) The Magsec would outrange and outdamage the smg. Because if these were some kind of discussion with CCP or the CPM i missed it. Having the numbers is what allows us to asses the impact of changes - this comes as some kind of surprise to you? What you call complaining i call the community reacting to changes that are quite obviously going to make the next months of DUST more hellish than what we've just been through. I'm not going to even mention tank514 because i'm assuming CCP is going to address it in the equipment devblog. To not address it would be flat-out asinine. I support SP rollover.
Bojo The Mighty L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 3402	Posted - 2014.03.06 06:39:00 - [33] - Quote Vrain Matari wrote: 2) The Gallente AR needed to be nerfed harder than the SCR, especially the already-useless variants. I didn't understand this either and I'm pretty much planning on dumping the Assault Rifle in 1.8 I tried Redline Railgunning
Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 4875	Posted - 2014.03.06 06:43:00 - [34] - Quote Bojo The Mighty wrote: Vrain Matari wrote: 2) The Gallente AR needed to be nerfed harder than the SCR, especially the already-useless variants. I didn't understand this either and I'm pretty much planning on dumping the Assault Rifle in 1.8 Because it's Gallente, duh. We can't let the enemy of CCPs chosen race have good weaponry can we? *1st Official Role Playing Gallente Asshole* -Title Awarded by True Adamance
meri jin Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 712	Posted - 2014.03.06 06:45:00 - [35] - Quote Sgt Kirk wrote: Now that the damage mods have been nerfed, which was very well needed but now they are somewhat useless. So what else is there to put in highslots for a armor tanker like me? I guess I'm going over to Dual tanking now. :/ Moral of the story: We need more highslot modules CCP you've got everything in the lows. You have to. CCP nerfed all guns, but the Mass Driver become even stronger, so it's another middle-finger for armor tanks. My EVE pilot have more ISK then your peon corp.
Tech Ohm Eaven L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1373	Posted - 2014.03.06 06:48:00 - [36] - Quote Th3rdSun wrote: Sgt Kirk wrote: darkiller240 wrote: well now you know how shield tankers feel like looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool GTFO. CCP has shown blatant favoritism to Caldari ever since Modru's Private Trails. Shield suits have 6 more modules they can sink their teeth into than armor. and If you want to get rid of defense based modules it's 3 Highslots and 8 highslots. (Fun fact, Shortly after the plasma cannon came out (about 1 year ago I might add) I asked in a thread why it sucked so much. CCP's summarized response "We don't want to introduce a weapon as OP. We're trying not to create FoTM weapons right out the gate" Well, nice to see they threw that weapon philosophy right out the gate with the Caldari RR. (Which however is expecting to still be the FoTM rifle but I haven't run the hard numbers yet) This guy can't be serious.Caldari Assault is pretty much hard mode now as EVERYTHING is meant to rip shields a new one. Minmatar assault is hard mode as everything kills shields and it has lol armor hp Hey CCP get a PS4 client Planetside 2 in June on PS4 Dust Deserters Alliance
Vell0cet SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 1017	Posted - 2014.03.06 07:07:00 - [37] - Quote Bojo The Mighty wrote: Vrain Matari wrote: 2) The Gallente AR needed to be nerfed harder than the SCR, especially the already-useless variants. I didn't understand this either and I'm pretty much planning on dumping the Assault Rifle in 1.8 There is something you guys are overlooking. A general TTK nerf will really hurt the ScR due to overheat mechanics. Also the changes to proficiency will again make chewing through armor before overheating with a ScR very difficult (the only way to improve it is with damage mods that are half as effective). While the AR is bonused to shields, it's damage profile is much more balanced and will be much better at eating through armor than the ScR, especially with it's large clip capacity. I think people are looking at these changes based on the current TTK landscape and not how it will play out after the changes. I suspect the ScR will be hit much harder than the AR, even though it's getting a smaller nerf on paper. The variants can be fine-tuned along the way to make them more attractive. The important thing was to bring the TTK back to a healthy level to counteract the hit detection changes first. I'm certain we will need further balancing after these changes, but they will be much smaller in scope and easier to handle. 1.8 is the major sea-change TTK fix. Let's keep things in perspective. I'm not saying everything is perfect, and I have serious concerns about AV balance, but I think things are headed in the right direction and am more optimistic on DUST than I have been in a long time. Best PvE idea ever!
Lorhak Gannarsein Science For Death 1947	Posted - 2014.03.06 07:13:00 - [38] - Quote Th3rdSun wrote: This guy can't be serious.Caldari Assault is pretty much hard mode now as EVERYTHING is meant to rip shields a new one. Tech Ohm Eaven wrote: Minmatar assault is hard mode as everything kills shields and it has lol armor hp 1.8 Devblog wrote: Bonus to damage against shields: Plasma Cannon, Scrambler Pistol, Assault Rifle, Shotgun, Scrambler Rifle, Laser Rifle, Ion Pistol A total of seven weapons Bonus to damage against armor: Rail Rifle, Swarm Launcher, Submachine Gun, Sniper Rifle, Magsec SMG, Heavy Machine Gun, Forge Gun, Flaylock Pistol, Combat Rifle, Bolt Pistol, Mass Driver A total of eleven weapons Plus a grenade that doesn't kill you through your entire tank. sarcasm Yep, everything does tear shields a new one. Like those rifles they added in 1.7, totally wreck shields, huh? Those damage profiles just rip shields to pieces.sarcasm off Did you even play during Chromosome? Did you know that people actively avoided armour tanking even heavy suits, because armour was so worthless? MD/MSMG 514 Assault ak.0: 2x extender, 1x energiser, 2x regulator, 1x repper. Any advice?
Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 4877	Posted - 2014.03.06 07:20:00 - [39] - Quote Lorhak Gannarsein wrote: Th3rdSun wrote: This guy can't be serious.Caldari Assault is pretty much hard mode now as EVERYTHING is meant to rip shields a new one. Tech Ohm Eaven wrote: Minmatar assault is hard mode as everything kills shields and it has lol armor hp 1.8 Devblog wrote: Bonus to damage against shields: Plasma Cannon, Scrambler Pistol, Assault Rifle, Shotgun, Scrambler Rifle, Laser Rifle, Ion Pistol A total of seven weapons Bonus to damage against armor: Rail Rifle, Swarm Launcher, Submachine Gun, Sniper Rifle, Magsec SMG, Heavy Machine Gun, Forge Gun, Flaylock Pistol, Combat Rifle, Bolt Pistol, Mass Driver A total of eleven weapons Plus a grenade that doesn't kill you through your entire tank. sarcasm Yep, everything does tear shields a new one. Like those rifles they added in 1.7, totally wreck shields, huh? Those damage profiles just rip shields to pieces.sarcasm off Did you even play during Chromosome? Did you know that people actively avoided armour tanking even heavy suits, because armour was so worthless? That's a shield tanker for you man... *1st Official Role Playing Gallente Asshole* -Title Awarded by True Adamance
DEZKA DIABLO 0uter.Heaven 336	Posted - 2014.03.06 07:30:00 - [40] - Quote Arx Ardashir wrote: Scan Range extenders! Get that 10m scan range up to a nifty 12m! Scan range is low slot bud, percision is high Dead trigger master , an ya I do that ISH ON PURPOSE!

Roy Ventus Axis of Chaos 1275	Posted - 2014.03.06 18:30:00 - [41] - Quote Came up with some module ideas. Maybe we can push some of these ideas on CCP if 1.8 calls for it. Module Ideas "There once was a time when there wasn't a Roy Ventus and it wasn't much of a time at all." Roy Ventus
Frost Kitty Fatal Absolution 69	Posted - 2014.03.06 19:14:00 - [42] - Quote Cody Sietz wrote: I'd like to see reactive plates moved to the high slot. As useless as those Plates are, I just want another High Slot Module... lol. Meow...
TechMechMeds SWAMPERIUM 2788	Posted - 2014.03.06 19:17:00 - [43] - Quote People who do use the damage mods will still do more damage than those without so I don't see how they will be useless. They won't be what we are used to but its still more damage nonetheless. Level 2 forum warrior. Dust on the ps4 asap please I sold my family to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic
TechMechMeds SWAMPERIUM 2788	Posted - 2014.03.06 19:18:00 - [44] - Quote I would really like rof and mag cap mods or somthething soonGäó-¬-«GäóGäóGäóGäóGäóGäóGäóGäóGäóGäóGäóGäóGäó Level 2 forum warrior. Dust on the ps4 asap please I sold my family to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic
Th3rdSun L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 632	Posted - 2014.03.07 12:51:00 - [45] - Quote Sgt Kirk wrote: Th3rdSun wrote: This guy can't be serious.Caldari Assault is pretty much hard mode now as EVERYTHING is meant to rip shields a new one. What kills shields? here are all the counter shield weapons. Plasma rifle? It used to before it become obsolete. Shotgun- looool Plasma Cannon- what is a plasma cannon Breach assault rifle - nope Burst Assault Rifle - nope Tac Assault Rifle - not in 1.8 Laser rifle- maybe in 1.8, no numbers yet Scrambler Pistol and rifle (and assault) are the only weapons that are good that are anti shield. Ion Pistol- what a joke That's 4 out of all 11 weapons that are supposed to be good against shields that are actually good. Meanwhile in anti armor land you've got Combat Rifle [2] Rail Rifle [2] Mass Drivers [3] Flalock is garbage Sniper Rifles [3] Sniping Forgeguns [3] SMGs [3] Did I miss any weapons ? Seems to me all but one of anti armor infantry weapons are in tip top shape that's 15/16 weapons being good. When's the last time you used an Ion Pistol? Let me answer for you.Never. Your opinions are from hence forward,irrelevant.
Altus Nox FACTION WARFARE ARMY FACTION WARFARE ALLIANCE 10	Posted - 2014.03.07 13:28:00 - [46] - Quote A couple Possibilities for high slot modules from the top of my head. External damping field- Reduces explosive damage to shields by a percentage. Doesn't affect armor. Stack-able with penalty. (personal favorite) Shield Stabilizer- Adds shield resistance to Flux damage at cost of shield regen delay. Stack-able with increasing regen delay penalty ('m thinking Caldari would benefit from this.) Damage accelerator? (projectile accelerator doesn't work for all weapon types)- Decreases fall off damage. Doesn't increase overall effective range. Non-Stacking to prevent OP. Tac-net extender (not sure about this one)- Allows for passive scans to be seen by team mates on mini-map. (Another twist on scanning mods that adds an element to gameplay) Threat Triangulation module- Shows direction of nearest enemy fire. Not talking about damage being taken. Has no range indication. Could be shown as a red arrow on mini-map. Tried to keep them all with current High module themes. Shields, scan, and damage. -Omnes una manet Nox (The same night awaits us all)
Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 4925	Posted - 2014.03.07 17:23:00 - [47] - Quote Th3rdSunare wrote: When's the last time you used an Ion Pistol? Let me answer for you.Never. Your opinions are from hence forward,irrelevant. lool, irrelevant. Coming from a LOTIS member. How cute. *1st Official Role Playing Gallente Asshole* -Title Awarded by True Adamance
Joel II X Dah Gods O Bacon 1489	Posted - 2014.03.07 17:54:00 - [48] - Quote Scan Precision? Lulz Yeah, size damage mods are getting over nerfed, I'm going to use shield extenders as well on my scout. So much for glass cannons.
Joel II X Dah Gods O Bacon 1489	Posted - 2014.03.07 17:57:00 - [49] - Quote Altus Nox wrote: A couple Possibilities for high slot modules from the top of my head. External damping field- Reduces explosive damage to shields by a percentage. Doesn't affect armor. Stack-able with penalty. (personal favorite) Shield Stabilizer- Adds shield resistance to Flux damage at cost of shield regen delay. Stack-able with increasing regen delay penalty ('m thinking Caldari would benefit from this.) Damage accelerator? (projectile accelerator doesn't work for all weapon types)- Decreases fall off damage. Doesn't increase overall effective range. Non-Stacking to prevent OP. Tac-net extender (not sure about this one)- Allows for passive scans to be seen by team mates on mini-map. (Another twist on scanning mods that adds an element to gameplay) Threat Triangulation module- Shows direction of nearest enemy fire. Not talking about damage being taken. Has no range indication. Could be shown as a red arrow on mini-map. Tried to keep them all with current High module themes. Shields, scan, and damage. Some of those are actually pretty cool. I liked the TacNet one. That would hand in hand with my scout.
RayRay James Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 23	Posted - 2014.03.07 18:34:00 - [50] - Quote Arx Ardashir wrote: Scan Range extenders! Get that 10m scan range up to a nifty 12m! Extenders are low slot, aren't they? precision is high? Either way, I run one of each on my Proto logi and damn if, when combined, the don't make a BIG difference on what I can see on the radar

Vell0cet SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 1033	Posted - 2014.03.07 18:39:00 - [51] - Quote Not a fan of mods that would decrease TTK (i.e. rate of fire bonus), although I could see mods that increase falloff range (they shouldn't affect optimal). This means a weapon could hit targets at longer ranges than normally possible, but would be doing significantly reduced damage from being in falloff. Best PvE idea ever!
Th3rdSun L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 633	Posted - 2014.03.08 00:05:00 - [52] - Quote Sgt Kirk wrote: Th3rdSunare wrote: When's the last time you used an Ion Pistol? Let me answer for you.Never. Your opinions are from hence forward,irrelevant. lool, irrelevant. Coming from a LOTIS member. How cute. What does me being in LOTIS have to do with a totally misleading post of yours? Looks like I'll have to answer for you again.It has nothing to do with it.


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