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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:

Sgt Kirk wrote:

Iron Wolf Saber wrote:

High Slots?

Bandoliers (ammo +)
Munitions Packs (big ammo +)
Autoloaders (reload speed +)

Listen to your Wolf CCP.

I do have a question though IWS.
When CCP decided to give the most ridiculous blanket nerf to all weapons Did they even think about the weapons that were already suffering thus didn't need a nerf?
1 Example: Breach Assault Rifle was worthless before, now you might as well take it out of the game with only 300 DPS.

Did you guys try to warn them about this blanket thinking CCP seems to love?

Based on talks with the developers I know the following.

The individual nerfs to specific weapons were handed out by generated numbers specifically looking into the ttk issue.

The nerf on the damage mods was probably included those with intolerable amounts of TTK typically probably overstacked the damage mods.

The altering of damage vs armor on proficiency was probably a systematic design to make shields and armor choices matter more.

Remember the goal is to make it so that when you slap on an armor plate its noticable, when you slap on a shield extender its noticable, when you slap on a damage mod its noticeable. Different fits will feel different. We're not aiming for halo levels of ttk but we're not being in the instant blap thing either.

While CCP may be doing too much at once again they have reasons for it. My hope is they continue with hotfix adjustments afterwards but well have to see once you guys start producing numbers.

We didn't warn them we're sorta trusting ccp on this as these decisions seem grounded on good goals and intentions.

What did blindside us the indirect AV nerf so it will be something me and the rest of the CPM will be discussing.

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Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 4836	Posted - 2014.03.05 21:19:00 - [1] - Quote Now that the damage mods have been nerfed, which was very well needed but now they are somewhat useless. So what else is there to put in highslots for a armor tanker like me? I guess I'm going over to Dual tanking now. :/ Moral of the story: We need more highslot modules CCP you've got everything in the lows. *1st Official Role Playing Gallente Asshole* -Title Awarded by True Adamance
Tallen Ellecon KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 1543	Posted - 2014.03.05 21:20:00 - [2] - Quote I had the same thought. Ion pistol in 1.8? Really, is that it? When is that? SoonGäó514 "No blue tags make Tallen go crazy.
Supernus Gigas Star Giants 372	Posted - 2014.03.05 21:20:00 - [3] - Quote Myrofibril Stimulants are the obvious choice for me. *FIRE UP THE HEAVY MEAT GRINDER! WE'RE HAVIN' CLONE BURGERS TONIGHT, BOYS!*
Kaughst Nyain San Renegade Alliance 227	Posted - 2014.03.05 21:22:00 - [4] - Quote Sgt Kirk wrote: Now that the damage mods have been nerfed, which was very well needed but now they are somewhat useless. So what else is there to put in highslots for a armor tanker like me? I guess I'm going over to Dual tanking now. :/ Moral of the story: We need more highslot modules CCP you've got everything in the lows. I have said this before but I am still going to stack damage mods on my assault MD. Because basically the damage reduction on the damage mods in negligible and the MD buff makes up for that. So...3 complex dam mods in my high slot and I also get a innate armor rep. Nothing has really changed and I can still spam the weapon pretty well. "That is not how you say my name." "How do you say your name?" "I don't know but that is not how you say it."
Arx Ardashir Imperium Aeternum 636	Posted - 2014.03.05 21:22:00 - [5] - Quote Scan Range extenders! Get that 10m scan range up to a nifty 12m! Now is the winter of our non-content. Ghosts Chance's hero for 3/1/14.
Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 4836	Posted - 2014.03.05 21:26:00 - [6] - Quote Excluding the Shield modules there are only three modules two use. Precision Modifiers - (not really worth it on a suit with no scan range) Myrofibril Stimulants - Do I have to explain this one? Damage mods - Maybe just one just to fill a spot but more hp is better than 5% more damage now. The other 3/6 are shield modules, so guess what new problem CCP just exacerbated? *1st Official Role Playing Gallente Asshole* -Title Awarded by True Adamance
Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 4838	Posted - 2014.03.05 21:29:00 - [7] - Quote Arx Ardashir wrote: Scan Range extenders! Get that 10m scan range up to a nifty 12m! I wish Range extenders were in the highslots but they are in the Low Slots. Along with: [12] CPU Extenders PG Extenders Shield Regulators Code Breakers Armor plates Ferroscale plates Reactive Plates Armor Repairs Stamina Regenerators Kinetic Catalyzers Profile Dampeners Compared to the Lowslot options of: [6] Shield recharger Shield Energizer Shield extenders Damage mods - lol Precision enhancers- lol Myrofibril Stimulants - LAWL That's two times as many modules in the Low Slots compared to Highslots. *1st Official Role Playing Gallente Asshole* -Title Awarded by True Adamance
Kaughst Nyain San Renegade Alliance 228	Posted - 2014.03.05 21:30:00 - [8] - Quote Sgt Kirk wrote: Excluding the Shield modules there are only three modules two use. Precision Modifiers - (not really worth it on a suit with no scan range) Myrofibril Stimulants - Do I have to explain this one? Damage mods - Maybe just one just to fill a spot but more hp is better than 5% more damage now. The other 3/6 are shield modules, so guess what new problem CCP just exacerbated? The logi is getting a 5+ to scan range but a reduction to precision, I imagine a precision mod. would be potentially useful. "That is not how you say my name." "How do you say your name?" "I don't know but that is not how you say it."
Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 4838	Posted - 2014.03.05 21:34:00 - [9] - Quote Kaughst wrote: Sgt Kirk wrote: Excluding the Shield modules there are only three modules two use. Precision Modifiers - (not really worth it on a suit with no scan range) Myrofibril Stimulants - Do I have to explain this one? Damage mods - Maybe just one just to fill a spot but more hp is better than 5% more damage now. The other 3/6 are shield modules, so guess what new problem CCP just exacerbated? The logi is getting a 5+ to scan range but a reduction to precision, I imagine a precision mod. would be potentially useful. That's great for the Logistics class if that is true. Logis can be flexible with how they have their slot layout however this still leaves the other suits besides scouts kicking in the dirt with that module. *1st Official Role Playing Gallente Asshole* -Title Awarded by True Adamance
Roy Ventus Axis of Chaos 1265	Posted - 2014.03.05 21:35:00 - [10] - Quote Blah. I've been trying to think of stuff to give to high slots but everything's either been OP or underwhelming. We would need modules completely separated from EVE, because nothing else that EVE offers(except the hardenders and boosters) would really transfer over. "There once was a time when there wasn't a Roy Ventus and it wasn't much of a time at all." Roy Ventus

Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 4838	Posted - 2014.03.05 21:39:00 - [11] - Quote Roy Ventus wrote: Blah. I've been trying to think of stuff to give to high slots but everything's either been OP or underwhelming. We would need modules completely separated from EVE, because nothing else that EVE offers(except the hardenders and boosters) would really transfer over. Rate of Fire Enhancers Optimal Range Extenders Reinforced plates (adds a percentage of armor on your plates in the low slot ) If we had drones I can only imagine Drone Related Modules would go in highslots. *1st Official Role Playing Gallente Asshole* -Title Awarded by True Adamance
ZDub 303 TeamPlayers Negative-Feedback 2325	Posted - 2014.03.05 21:40:00 - [12] - Quote Codebreakers and all profile mods should be high slot mods imo. Especially profile damps. Sure extenders don't have a profile penalty like eve but they can be indirectly connected in a one vs other scenario. Codebreakers cause it is also and ewar mod and ewar seems to be a gallente specialty. Reactive plates maybe too? ... I know when they were release a lot of peeps said reactive plates would make a nice high slot mod.
darkiller240 WarRavens League of Infamy 523	Posted - 2014.03.05 21:44:00 - [13] - Quote well now you know how shield tankers feel like "Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results." - Albert Einstein
Roy Ventus Axis of Chaos 1265	Posted - 2014.03.05 21:47:00 - [14] - Quote Sgt Kirk wrote: Roy Ventus wrote: Blah. I've been trying to think of stuff to give to high slots but everything's either been OP or underwhelming. We would need modules completely separated from EVE, because nothing else that EVE offers(except the hardenders and boosters) would really transfer over. Rate of Fire Enhancers Optimal Range Extenders Reinforced plates (adds a percentage of armor on your plates in the low slot ) If we had drones I can only imagine Drone Related Modules would go in highslots. See, I brought up Optimal Range extenders and people thought it was OP. Because TTK is what is now, Optimal Range and RoF Enhancers could definitely work. Reinforced plates could be awesome too. "There once was a time when there wasn't a Roy Ventus and it wasn't much of a time at all." Roy Ventus
Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 4838	Posted - 2014.03.05 21:48:00 - [15] - Quote darkiller240 wrote: well now you know how shield tankers feel like looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool GTFO. CCP has shown blatant favoritism to Caldari ever since Modru's Private Trails. Shield suits have 6 more modules they can sink their teeth into than armor. and If you want to get rid of defense based modules it's 3 Highslots and 8 highslots. *1st Official Role Playing Gallente Asshole* -Title Awarded by True Adamance
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 13236	Posted - 2014.03.05 21:50:00 - [16] - Quote High Slots? Bandoliers (ammo +) Munitions Packs (big ammo +) Autoloaders (reload speed +) CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior, Annoying Artist \\= Advanced Caldari Assault // Unlocked
Cody Sietz Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 2532	Posted - 2014.03.05 21:51:00 - [17] - Quote I'd like to see reactive plates moved to the high slot. "I do agree with you there though. shudders" -Arkena Wyrnspire
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 10448	Posted - 2014.03.05 21:55:00 - [18] - Quote I feel that profile dampening, as a traditionally Gallentean strength, should be high-slot based. You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake.
Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 4841	Posted - 2014.03.05 21:56:00 - [19] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: High Slots? Bandoliers (ammo +) Munitions Packs (big ammo +) Autoloaders (reload speed +) Listen to your Wolf CCP. I do have a question though IWS. When CCP decided to give the most ridiculous blanket nerf to all weapons Did they even think about the weapons that were already suffering thus didn't need a nerf? 1 Example: Breach Assault Rifle was worthless before, now you might as well take it out of the game with only 300 DPS. Did you guys try to warn them about this blanket thinking CCP seems to love? *1st Official Role Playing Gallente Asshole* -Title Awarded by True Adamance
Th3rdSun L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 631	Posted - 2014.03.05 21:59:00 - [20] - Quote Sgt Kirk wrote: darkiller240 wrote: well now you know how shield tankers feel like looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool GTFO. CCP has shown blatant favoritism to Caldari ever since Modru's Private Trails. Shield suits have 6 more modules they can sink their teeth into than armor. and If you want to get rid of defense based modules it's 3 Highslots and 8 highslots. (Fun fact, Shortly after the plasma cannon came out (about 1 year ago I might add) I asked in a thread why it sucked so much. CCP's summarized response "We don't want to introduce a weapon as OP. We're trying not to create FoTM weapons right out the gate" Well, nice to see they threw that weapon philosophy right out the gate with the Caldari RR. (Which however is expecting to still be the FoTM rifle but I haven't run the hard numbers yet) This guy can't be serious.Caldari Assault is pretty much hard mode now as EVERYTHING is meant to rip shields a new one.

Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 13238	Posted - 2014.03.05 22:02:00 - [21] - Quote Sgt Kirk wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: High Slots? Bandoliers (ammo +) Munitions Packs (big ammo +) Autoloaders (reload speed +) Listen to your Wolf CCP. I do have a question though IWS. When CCP decided to give the most ridiculous blanket nerf to all weapons Did they even think about the weapons that were already suffering thus didn't need a nerf? 1 Example: Breach Assault Rifle was worthless before, now you might as well take it out of the game with only 300 DPS. Did you guys try to warn them about this blanket thinking CCP seems to love? Based on talks with the developers I know the following. The individual nerfs to specific weapons were handed out by generated numbers specifically looking into the ttk issue. The nerf on the damage mods was probably included those with intolerable amounts of TTK typically probably overstacked the damage mods. The altering of damage vs armor on proficiency was probably a systematic design to make shields and armor choices matter more. Remember the goal is to make it so that when you slap on an armor plate its noticable, when you slap on a shield extender its noticable, when you slap on a damage mod its noticeable. Different fits will feel different. We're not aiming for halo levels of ttk but we're not being in the instant blap thing either. While CCP may be doing too much at once again they have reasons for it. My hope is they continue with hotfix adjustments afterwards but well have to see once you guys start producing numbers. We didn't warn them we're sorta trusting ccp on this as these decisions seem grounded on good goals and intentions. What did blindside us the indirect AV nerf so it will be something me and the rest of the CPM will be discussing. CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior, Annoying Artist \\= Advanced Caldari Assault // Unlocked
Ghosts Chance Inf4m0us 1220	Posted - 2014.03.05 22:03:00 - [22] - Quote you underestimate how GOOD damage mods are now. on the surface they are less then what we have now BUT, the proficiany nerf means that were going to be missing 15% of our off type damage. aka a duvolle will be doing 15% less damage to armor. damage mods are the only way to cancel out the efficiancy loss on off type damage. aka the only way to get the duvolle to do decent damage to armor. your going to want to put damage mods in your high slots as gallante.
Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 4843	Posted - 2014.03.05 22:10:00 - [23] - Quote Th3rdSun wrote: This guy can't be serious.Caldari Assault is pretty much hard mode now as EVERYTHING is meant to rip shields a new one. What kills shields? here are all the counter shield weapons. Plasma rifle? It used to before it become obsolete. Shotgun- looool Plasma Cannon- what is a plasma cannon Breach assault rifle - nope Burst Assault Rifle - nope Tac Assault Rifle - not in 1.8 Laser rifle- maybe in 1.8, no numbers yet Scrambler Pistol and rifle (and assault) are the only weapons that are good that are anti shield. Ion Pistol- what a joke That's 4 out of all 11 weapons that are supposed to be good against shields that are actually good. Meanwhile in anti armor land you've got Combat Rifle [2] Rail Rifle [2] Mass Drivers [3] Flalock is garbage Sniper Rifles [3] Sniping Forgeguns [3] SMGs [3] Did I miss any weapons ? Seems to me all but one of anti armor infantry weapons are in tip top shape that's 15/16 weapons being good. *1st Official Role Playing Gallente Asshole* -Title Awarded by True Adamance
Ghosts Chance Inf4m0us 1220	Posted - 2014.03.05 22:12:00 - [24] - Quote Sgt Kirk wrote: Th3rdSun wrote: This guy can't be serious.Caldari Assault is pretty much hard mode now as EVERYTHING is meant to rip shields a new one. What kills shields? here are all the counter shield weapons. Plasma rifle? It used to before it become obsolete. Shotgun- looool Plasma Cannon- what is a plasma cannon Breach assault rifle - nope Burst Assault Rifle - nope Tac Assault Rifle - not in 1.8 Laser rifle- maybe in 1.8, no numbers yet Scrambler Pistol and rifle (and assault) are the only weapons that are good that are anti shield. Ion Pistol- what a joke That's 4 out of all 11 weapons that are supposed to be good against shields that are actually good. Meanwhile in anti armor land you've got Combat Rifle [2] Rail Rifle [2] Mass Drivers [3] Flalock is garbage Sniper Rifles [3] Sniping Forgeguns [3] SMGs [3] Did I miss any weapons ? Seems to me all but one of anti armor infantry weapons are in tip top shape that's 15/16 weapons being good. the good ole duvolle will tear apart shields quite well, especially if yoru a gallante suit with dmg mods.
Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 4843	Posted - 2014.03.05 22:14:00 - [25] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: snip I appreciate the response. The only thing that's the saving grace I got out of that is the hotfixes. Maybe now since we aren't on a monthly cycle and 1.8 is out of the way we can see more hotfixes to iron things out because there wen't too many during the monthly cycle. *1st Official Role Playing Gallente Asshole* -Title Awarded by True Adamance
CommanderBolt ACME SPECIAL FORCES RISE of LEGION 942	Posted - 2014.03.05 22:15:00 - [26] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Sgt Kirk wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: High Slots? Bandoliers (ammo +) Munitions Packs (big ammo +) Autoloaders (reload speed +) Listen to your Wolf CCP. I do have a question though IWS. When CCP decided to give the most ridiculous blanket nerf to all weapons Did they even think about the weapons that were already suffering thus didn't need a nerf? 1 Example: Breach Assault Rifle was worthless before, now you might as well take it out of the game with only 300 DPS. Did you guys try to warn them about this blanket thinking CCP seems to love? Based on talks with the developers I know the following. The individual nerfs to specific weapons were handed out by generated numbers specifically looking into the ttk issue. The nerf on the damage mods was probably included those with intolerable amounts of TTK typically probably overstacked the damage mods. The altering of damage vs armor on proficiency was probably a systematic design to make shields and armor choices matter more. Remember the goal is to make it so that when you slap on an armor plate its noticable, when you slap on a shield extender its noticable, when you slap on a damage mod its noticeable. Different fits will feel different. We're not aiming for halo levels of ttk but we're not being in the instant blap thing either. While CCP may be doing too much at once again they have reasons for it. My hope is they continue with hotfix adjustments afterwards but well have to see once you guys start producing numbers. We didn't warn them we're sorta trusting ccp on this as these decisions seem grounded on good goals and intentions. What did blindside us the indirect AV nerf so it will be something me and the rest of the CPM will be discussing. Unless you were not aware about any changes happening to dmg mods, and the adjustments to AV proficency, then all I can say is this is another reason that the CPM is a total waste of time. Seriously, I dont see the point of you guys. Nothing ever changes. Join our public channel - ACME SPECIAL FORCES PUB For the STATE!
Meeko Fent Kirkinen Risk Control Caldari State 1912	Posted - 2014.03.05 22:19:00 - [27] - Quote Sgt Kirk wrote: Now that the damage mods have been nerfed, which was very well needed but now they are somewhat useless. So what else is there to put in highslots for a armor tanker like me? I guess I'm going over to Dual tanking now. :/ Moral of the story: We need more highslot modules CCP you've got everything in the lows. Yup. Because you Wanted to be Something your Not.
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 13245	Posted - 2014.03.05 23:51:00 - [28] - Quote CommanderBolt wrote: Unless you were not aware about any changes happening to dmg mods, and the adjustments to AV proficency, then all I can say is this is another reason that the CPM is a total waste of time. Seriously, I don't see the point of you guys. Nothing ever changes. I don't see the point in a silent majority; these changes were known to be inbound in various and desire to change things in various forms and to be systematic sweeping publicly for a while just no hard numbers or details. And you guys are NOW just complaining? Welcome to discussion 4 months ago. I'll be happy to relay that we may have over nuked AV ability again to CCP though and get changes pushed through though. CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior, Annoying Artist \\= Advanced Caldari Assault // Unlocked
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 10474	Posted - 2014.03.06 00:01:00 - [29] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: CommanderBolt wrote: Unless you were not aware about any changes happening to dmg mods, and the adjustments to AV proficency, then all I can say is this is another reason that the CPM is a total waste of time. Seriously, I don't see the point of you guys. Nothing ever changes. I don't see the point in a silent majority; these changes were known to be inbound in various and desire to change things in various forms and to be systematic sweeping publicly for a while just no hard numbers or details. And you guys are NOW just complaining? Welcome to discussion 4 months ago. I'll be happy to relay that we may have over nuked AV ability again to CCP though and get changes pushed through though. These changes were known to be inbound and similar points were made in the past, but often these threads were met with "Oh, the details aren't final yet." There were definitely threads about many of the same issues that are coming up now. They have been ignored. This has all been seen before - 1.2 plate stats, RR/CR stats, and a handful of other things. In each case, CCP have 'asked for feedback' and then completely ignored it. Nice of you to welcome people to the discussion 4 months ago, though. It'd be nice if anyone outside CCP and the CPM actually knew that it was seriously being discussed. You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake.
Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 4850	Posted - 2014.03.06 00:09:00 - [30] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: These changes were known to be inbound and similar points were made in the past, but often these threads were met with "Oh, the details aren't final yet." There were definitely threads about many of the same issues that are coming up now. They have been ignored. This has all been seen before - 1.2 plate stats, RR/CR stats, and a handful of other things. In each case, CCP have 'asked for feedback' and then completely ignored it. Nice of you to welcome people to the discussion 4 months ago, though. It'd be nice if anyone outside CCP and the CPM actually knew that it was seriously being discussed. I swear they think their harboring government secrets at CCP. *1st Official Role Playing Gallente Asshole* -Title Awarded by True Adamance



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