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HYENAKILLER X Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 651	Posted - 2014.03.05 19:20:00 - [1] - Quote Why.......would you........nerf.........the AR? Out of all the weapons, you nerfed the AR. Infact you nerfed ALL OF THEM when only 3 to 4 are actually playable with only 1 being competitive. Guys, please help me understand. Tanks are for pussies.
Pvt Numnutz R 0 N 1 N 857	Posted - 2014.03.05 19:29:00 - [2] - Quote I'm happy about it. Assault rifles shouldn't be the best, they should be sub par to other specialized weapons. I'm happy to see them needed for the sake of other weapons.
Ripley Riley 843	Posted - 2014.03.05 19:32:00 - [3] - Quote HYENAKILLER X wrote: In fact you nerfed ALL OF THEM when only 3 to 4 are actually playable with only 1 being competitive. Guys, please help me understand. CCP reduced the DPS of just about every weapon to increase TTK. Simple as that. By the way, the AR was still melting faces post-1.7, it just got less attention because of the RR and CR being new and shiny. "I need not food nor water. Your tears alone sustain me." - Ripley Riley
Bones McGavins TacoCat Industries 544	Posted - 2014.03.05 19:32:00 - [4] - Quote Honest question... which of the 1 do you deam is the only competitive one? Cause good luck killing my SCR with your rail. Charge shot pop in and out of cover before you can even spool your .25 shots. Good luck killing my CBR with your SCR, ill flux and insta pop you with 100 damage per burst. Good luck killing my rail with your CBR, ill keep my distance and put you out of your optimal. Good lucking killing my SCR with your raill.... Wait. What just happened there? Oh right, those 3 guns are pretty amazingly balanced and it comes down to play style, skill and situation. Right... my bad.
Buster Friently Rosen Association 1898	Posted - 2014.03.05 19:41:00 - [5] - Quote HYENAKILLER X wrote: Why.......would you........nerf.........the AR? Out of all the weapons, you nerfed the AR. Infact you nerfed ALL OF THEM when only 3 to 4 are actually playable with only 1 being competitive. Guys, please help me understand. Almost all the hitscan weapons need a nerf. They are responsible for the stupidly low ttk. This was the case even before ccp added the new rifles, so this is definitely a good thing.
Crimson Cerberes Hammer Of Light Vanguard of the Phoenix 389	Posted - 2014.03.05 19:42:00 - [6] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: HYENAKILLER X wrote: In fact you nerfed ALL OF THEM when only 3 to 4 are actually playable with only 1 being competitive. Guys, please help me understand. CCP reduced the DPS of just about every weapon to increase TTK. Simple as that. By the way, the AR was still melting faces post-1.7, it just got less attention because of the RR and CR being new and shiny. New and shiney wears off after a while. It has been 3 months, RR and CR are just flat out better.
Leadfoot10 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 650	Posted - 2014.03.05 19:43:00 - [7] - Quote It was done to increase TTK. The AR (and, oddly enough, the ScR) weren't nerfed as much as other weapons, so relatively speaking, they will have gotten stronger. Math FTW.
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 12033	Posted - 2014.03.05 19:45:00 - [8] - Quote I didn't think it was possible to make the Breach AR any worse Oh how wrong I was lol Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Incubus Pilot
Bones McGavins TacoCat Industries 544	Posted - 2014.03.05 19:47:00 - [9] - Quote ScR makes sense. You nerf it too much and you run the risk of causing overheats before players can kill thier target even if they don't miss. A 10% nerf to the Scr is probably more of a pain than a 15 to RR or cr because it'll increase your likely hood to overheat. Same logic for RR and cr. cr now does less damag per clip so increased odds of reload duri g a fight. RR has plenty of damage per clip to spare so it isn't as impacted on that front.
CLONE117 True Pros Forever 712	Posted - 2014.03.05 19:48:00 - [10] - Quote not only did the ar get a ninja nerf in how the projectile works. there is now another nerf for it?. already my ar shoots out squiggly lines. now its going to be worse at all ranges. and still potentially outgunned by everything else.

BL4CKST4R WarRavens League of Infamy 1971	Posted - 2014.03.05 20:02:00 - [11] - Quote Leadfoot10 wrote: It was done to increase TTK. The AR (and, oddly enough, the ScR) weren't nerfed as much as other weapons, so relatively speaking, they will have gotten stronger. Math FTW. The AR has 2.7% higher DPS than the RR but the RR has 40% higher range. RR remains superior. On a side note AR is now obsolete since the Magsec smg IS a assault rifle with less fitting costs and isk costs. For the Federation!
Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 3353	Posted - 2014.03.05 20:04:00 - [12] - Quote HYENAKILLER X wrote: Why.......would you........nerf.........the AR? Out of all the weapons, you nerfed the AR. Infact you nerfed ALL OF THEM when only 3 to 4 are actually playable with only 1 being competitive. Guys, please help me understand. CCP No.
Roy Ventus Axis of Chaos 1258	Posted - 2014.03.05 20:05:00 - [13] - Quote Pvt Numnutz wrote: I'm happy about it. Assault rifles shouldn't be the best, they should be sub par to other specialized weapons. I'm happy to see them needed for the sake of other weapons. It's been a long time since the AR was King. "There once was a time when there wasn't a Roy Ventus and it wasn't much of a time at all." Roy Ventus
Pvt Numnutz R 0 N 1 N 861	Posted - 2014.03.05 20:13:00 - [14] - Quote Roy Ventus wrote: Pvt Numnutz wrote: I'm happy about it. Assault rifles shouldn't be the best, they should be sub par to other specialized weapons. I'm happy to see them needed for the sake of other weapons. It's been a long time since the AR was King. I was talking about all assault rifles not just the plasma rifle. The at is still fine, I do well with it all the time, I just hate using gallente tech. A few days ago I went 17-4 in a std min logi and a gek. I am under the impression that people moaning about it are still pining for the plasma rifle king days and haven't adapted or learned how to use it.
BL4CKST4R WarRavens League of Infamy 1972	Posted - 2014.03.05 20:19:00 - [15] - Quote Pvt Numnutz wrote: Roy Ventus wrote: Pvt Numnutz wrote: I'm happy about it. Assault rifles shouldn't be the best, they should be sub par to other specialized weapons. I'm happy to see them needed for the sake of other weapons. It's been a long time since the AR was King. I was talking about all assault rifles not just the plasma rifle. The at is still fine, I do well with it all the time, I just hate using gallente tech. A few days ago I went 17-4 in a std min logi and a gek. I am under the impression that people moaning about it are still pining for the plasma rifle king days and haven't adapted or learned how to use it. Been using the AR since beta. It was my favorite weapon, prof 5 AR. My current suit uses a level 1 rail rifle and it out classes my prof 5 gek. And I use my RR just how I use my AR cqc hip firing. For the Federation!
Pvt Numnutz R 0 N 1 N 862	Posted - 2014.03.05 20:22:00 - [16] - Quote BL4CKST4R wrote: Pvt Numnutz wrote: Roy Ventus wrote: Pvt Numnutz wrote: I'm happy about it. Assault rifles shouldn't be the best, they should be sub par to other specialized weapons. I'm happy to see them needed for the sake of other weapons. It's been a long time since the AR was King. I was talking about all assault rifles not just the plasma rifle. The at is still fine, I do well with it all the time, I just hate using gallente tech. A few days ago I went 17-4 in a std min logi and a gek. I am under the impression that people moaning about it are still pining for the plasma rifle king days and haven't adapted or learned how to use it. Been using the AR since beta. It was my favorite weapon, prof 5 AR. My current suit uses a level 1 rail rifle and it out classes my prof 5 gek. And I use my RR just how I use my AR cqc hip firing. Same here, used it since beta and have prof 5. I beat RR's with my gek in a std suit. Not proto RRs but hey I'm in a std suit. I don't have much of a problem when I use it, but I mostly use RR because I love the caldari.
Onesimus Tarsus Bragian Order Amarr Empire 1398	Posted - 2014.03.05 20:24:00 - [17] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: I didn't think it was possible to make the Breach AR any worse Oh how wrong I was lol CCP does the impossible yet again! Unless you're just *addicted* to wetsuit paperdolls...
Toby Flenderson research lab 321	Posted - 2014.03.05 20:36:00 - [18] - Quote Leadfoot10 wrote: It was done to increase TTK. The AR (and, oddly enough, the ScR) weren't nerfed as much as other weapons, so relatively speaking, they will have gotten stronger. Math FTW. Stronger than what? Certainly not their old stats. Stronger than other rifles? How do you figure? If a weapon A did 10 damage and and weapon B did 100 damage, we could reduce damage from weapon A by 10% and reduce the damage of weapon B by 50% to get 9 and 50 respectively. One wouldn't say that weapon A, relatively speaking, got stronger than weapon B even though it was needed less. If you're going to compare strengths of weapons you need to establish the two figures being compared. The only thing you can say, based on nerd percentages, is that the percentages are lower for weapon A compared to weapon B. This is far from saying one has gotten stronger. Weapon A still sucks compared to weapon B. This isn't my way of saying any of the rifles suck but the claim that any go stronger "relatively speaking" doesn't make sense in this instance.
Johnny Guilt Algintal Core 538	Posted - 2014.03.05 20:40:00 - [19] - Quote They nerfed all rifles and buffed all niche weapons,rifles are going to be the jack of all weapons,master of none,while other more special weapons outshine them in their element. A strange game. The only winning move is not to play.
The Eristic Sad Panda Solutions 250	Posted - 2014.03.05 20:47:00 - [20] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: I didn't think it was possible to make the Breach AR any worse Oh how wrong I was lol This kinda wrecks my Gal Scout alt. I've been running around with standard Breach and Sleeks exclusively. :^(

Duke Noobiam Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 34	Posted - 2014.03.05 21:08:00 - [21] - Quote Where did you find the data/stats for this? I looked in the feedback section and only found stats for sidearms??? When the red river runs, take the dirt road.
TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR TCD ToXiCaTeD RISE of LEGION 1578	Posted - 2014.03.05 21:13:00 - [22] - Quote in all honesty, it needed a nerf too. just because there are new rifles doesn't change the fact that the AR still has mad DPS. on the occasions that i decide to pull out my duvolle, i wreck just as well as i do with any other rifle, and i've seen quite a few people still rocking the AR and owning everything just as well as they could before. Anime > EVERYTHING
Buster Friently Rosen Association 1902	Posted - 2014.03.05 21:15:00 - [23] - Quote TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote: in all honesty, it needed a nerf too. just because there are new rifles doesn't change the fact that the AR still has mad DPS. on the occasions that i decide to pull put my duvolle, i wreck just as well as i do with any other rifle, and i've seen quite a few people still rocking the AR and owning everything just as well as they could before. QFT. All of the hitscan, AA bullet hoses need to be nerfed in order to improve tactical options in Dust by increasing TTK.
Kira Takizawa WARNING LABEL Inc. 158	Posted - 2014.03.05 21:17:00 - [24] - Quote Bones McGavins wrote: Honest question... which of the 1 do you deam is the only competitive one? Cause good luck killing my SCR with your rail. Charge shot pop in and out of cover before you can even spool your .25 shots. Good luck killing my CBR with your SCR, ill flux and insta pop you with 100 damage per burst. Good luck killing my rail with your CBR, ill keep my distance and put you out of your optimal. Good lucking killing my SCR with your raill.... Wait. What just happened there? Oh right, those 3 guns are pretty amazingly balanced and it comes down to play style, skill and situation. Right... my bad. Skill, broken weapons, or ez-mode..?
Bones McGavins TacoCat Industries 547	Posted - 2014.03.05 22:01:00 - [25] - Quote Mass driver should NEVER outshine an AR. Its an AOE weapon. It should always lose 1on1 to a direct damage weapon because of its ability to hit multiple people and ability to cause damage by simply hitting near someone. If the MD or other AOE weapons get close to the strength of direct damage weapons the game becomes unplayable. See the flaylock era. The reason being, the AOE weapon only becomes stronger as you add numbers. So if the AOE weapon wins 1on1, then it wins even more 2on2 and it destroys 3on3 and it isnt even touched 4on4. The damage multiplies as you add forces to each side. SO lets say the MD dps is 600 (it isnt) and the AR is 600. 1on1 we have a tie. 2on2 each MD user hits two AR users while each AR hits one MD. MD wins 2400 total damage in a second to 1200 for the AR. 3on3 each MD hits 3 while each AR hits 1. MD wins 5400 to 1800. 4on4 each MD hits 4 while each AR hits 1. MD wins 9600 to 2400. Do you see how that grows? Even if the MD is substanially weaker 1on1, it can reach a critical mass where it wins the engagement. If it wins 1on1 that gets out of hand incredibly quick.
Bojo The Mighty L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 3402	Posted - 2014.03.06 06:47:00 - [26] - Quote 1.8 is your last chance to board the Train of the Month. Pack your bags, just not an assault rifle. Get yourself something shiny like a combat rifle or a rail rifle. All Aboard! I tried Redline Railgunning
jaksol returns highland marines IMMORTAL REGIME 11	Posted - 2014.03.06 06:49:00 - [27] - Quote HYENAKILLER X wrote: Why.......would you........nerf.........the AR? Out of all the weapons, you nerfed the AR. Infact you nerfed ALL OF THEM when only 3 to 4 are actually playable with only 1 being competitive. Guys, please help me understand. thou I think that the AR was perfect as is not oped but not uped either. Sacrifice is a choice you make, Loss is a choice made for you .
medomai grey WarRavens League of Infamy 431	Posted - 2014.03.06 06:50:00 - [28] - Quote HYENAKILLER X wrote: Why.......would you........nerf.........the AR? Out of all the weapons, you nerfed the AR. Infact you nerfed ALL OF THEM when only 3 to 4 are actually playable with only 1 being competitive. Guys, please help me understand. Assault rifles are totally usable. Stop engaging outside of your effective range. [0.0] Blatant Dust_514 recruiting in the silliest of places. :P
Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 4877	Posted - 2014.03.06 06:51:00 - [29] - Quote medomai grey wrote: HYENAKILLER X wrote: Why.......would you........nerf.........the AR? Out of all the weapons, you nerfed the AR. Infact you nerfed ALL OF THEM when only 3 to 4 are actually playable with only 1 being competitive. Guys, please help me understand. Assault rifles are totally usable. Stop engaging outside of your effective range. [0.0] Gets wrecked at effective range anyway *1st Official Role Playing Gallente Asshole* -Title Awarded by True Adamance
STEALTH HUNTER ZERO D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 117	Posted - 2014.03.06 07:09:00 - [30] - Quote You guys are forgetting one major thing in all of this. The majority are armor tanking with dmg mods this build, so the RR and CR were far more effective, not that they weren't a little OP in the first place though. So, with dmg mods getting a nerf as well you will see more people shield tanking than they have lately, and with that the AR, LR, and ScR will become more viable again.



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