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HYENAKILLER X Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 651	Posted - 2014.03.05 19:20:00 - [1] - Quote Why.......would you........nerf.........the AR? Out of all the weapons, you nerfed the AR. Infact you nerfed ALL OF THEM when only 3 to 4 are actually playable with only 1 being competitive. Guys, please help me understand. Tanks are for pussies.
Pvt Numnutz R 0 N 1 N 857	Posted - 2014.03.05 19:29:00 - [2] - Quote I'm happy about it. Assault rifles shouldn't be the best, they should be sub par to other specialized weapons. I'm happy to see them needed for the sake of other weapons.
Ripley Riley 843	Posted - 2014.03.05 19:32:00 - [3] - Quote HYENAKILLER X wrote: In fact you nerfed ALL OF THEM when only 3 to 4 are actually playable with only 1 being competitive. Guys, please help me understand. CCP reduced the DPS of just about every weapon to increase TTK. Simple as that. By the way, the AR was still melting faces post-1.7, it just got less attention because of the RR and CR being new and shiny. "I need not food nor water. Your tears alone sustain me." - Ripley Riley
Bones McGavins TacoCat Industries 544	Posted - 2014.03.05 19:32:00 - [4] - Quote Honest question... which of the 1 do you deam is the only competitive one? Cause good luck killing my SCR with your rail. Charge shot pop in and out of cover before you can even spool your .25 shots. Good luck killing my CBR with your SCR, ill flux and insta pop you with 100 damage per burst. Good luck killing my rail with your CBR, ill keep my distance and put you out of your optimal. Good lucking killing my SCR with your raill.... Wait. What just happened there? Oh right, those 3 guns are pretty amazingly balanced and it comes down to play style, skill and situation. Right... my bad.
Buster Friently Rosen Association 1898	Posted - 2014.03.05 19:41:00 - [5] - Quote HYENAKILLER X wrote: Why.......would you........nerf.........the AR? Out of all the weapons, you nerfed the AR. Infact you nerfed ALL OF THEM when only 3 to 4 are actually playable with only 1 being competitive. Guys, please help me understand. Almost all the hitscan weapons need a nerf. They are responsible for the stupidly low ttk. This was the case even before ccp added the new rifles, so this is definitely a good thing.
Crimson Cerberes Hammer Of Light Vanguard of the Phoenix 389	Posted - 2014.03.05 19:42:00 - [6] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: HYENAKILLER X wrote: In fact you nerfed ALL OF THEM when only 3 to 4 are actually playable with only 1 being competitive. Guys, please help me understand. CCP reduced the DPS of just about every weapon to increase TTK. Simple as that. By the way, the AR was still melting faces post-1.7, it just got less attention because of the RR and CR being new and shiny. New and shiney wears off after a while. It has been 3 months, RR and CR are just flat out better.
Leadfoot10 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 650	Posted - 2014.03.05 19:43:00 - [7] - Quote It was done to increase TTK. The AR (and, oddly enough, the ScR) weren't nerfed as much as other weapons, so relatively speaking, they will have gotten stronger. Math FTW.
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 12033	Posted - 2014.03.05 19:45:00 - [8] - Quote I didn't think it was possible to make the Breach AR any worse Oh how wrong I was lol Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Incubus Pilot
Bones McGavins TacoCat Industries 544	Posted - 2014.03.05 19:47:00 - [9] - Quote ScR makes sense. You nerf it too much and you run the risk of causing overheats before players can kill thier target even if they don't miss. A 10% nerf to the Scr is probably more of a pain than a 15 to RR or cr because it'll increase your likely hood to overheat. Same logic for RR and cr. cr now does less damag per clip so increased odds of reload duri g a fight. RR has plenty of damage per clip to spare so it isn't as impacted on that front.
CLONE117 True Pros Forever 712	Posted - 2014.03.05 19:48:00 - [10] - Quote not only did the ar get a ninja nerf in how the projectile works. there is now another nerf for it?. already my ar shoots out squiggly lines. now its going to be worse at all ranges. and still potentially outgunned by everything else.

BL4CKST4R WarRavens League of Infamy 1971	Posted - 2014.03.05 20:02:00 - [11] - Quote Leadfoot10 wrote: It was done to increase TTK. The AR (and, oddly enough, the ScR) weren't nerfed as much as other weapons, so relatively speaking, they will have gotten stronger. Math FTW. The AR has 2.7% higher DPS than the RR but the RR has 40% higher range. RR remains superior. On a side note AR is now obsolete since the Magsec smg IS a assault rifle with less fitting costs and isk costs. For the Federation!
Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 3353	Posted - 2014.03.05 20:04:00 - [12] - Quote HYENAKILLER X wrote: Why.......would you........nerf.........the AR? Out of all the weapons, you nerfed the AR. Infact you nerfed ALL OF THEM when only 3 to 4 are actually playable with only 1 being competitive. Guys, please help me understand. CCP No.
Roy Ventus Axis of Chaos 1258	Posted - 2014.03.05 20:05:00 - [13] - Quote Pvt Numnutz wrote: I'm happy about it. Assault rifles shouldn't be the best, they should be sub par to other specialized weapons. I'm happy to see them needed for the sake of other weapons. It's been a long time since the AR was King. "There once was a time when there wasn't a Roy Ventus and it wasn't much of a time at all." Roy Ventus
Pvt Numnutz R 0 N 1 N 861	Posted - 2014.03.05 20:13:00 - [14] - Quote Roy Ventus wrote: Pvt Numnutz wrote: I'm happy about it. Assault rifles shouldn't be the best, they should be sub par to other specialized weapons. I'm happy to see them needed for the sake of other weapons. It's been a long time since the AR was King. I was talking about all assault rifles not just the plasma rifle. The at is still fine, I do well with it all the time, I just hate using gallente tech. A few days ago I went 17-4 in a std min logi and a gek. I am under the impression that people moaning about it are still pining for the plasma rifle king days and haven't adapted or learned how to use it.
BL4CKST4R WarRavens League of Infamy 1972	Posted - 2014.03.05 20:19:00 - [15] - Quote Pvt Numnutz wrote: Roy Ventus wrote: Pvt Numnutz wrote: I'm happy about it. Assault rifles shouldn't be the best, they should be sub par to other specialized weapons. I'm happy to see them needed for the sake of other weapons. It's been a long time since the AR was King. I was talking about all assault rifles not just the plasma rifle. The at is still fine, I do well with it all the time, I just hate using gallente tech. A few days ago I went 17-4 in a std min logi and a gek. I am under the impression that people moaning about it are still pining for the plasma rifle king days and haven't adapted or learned how to use it. Been using the AR since beta. It was my favorite weapon, prof 5 AR. My current suit uses a level 1 rail rifle and it out classes my prof 5 gek. And I use my RR just how I use my AR cqc hip firing. For the Federation!
Pvt Numnutz R 0 N 1 N 862	Posted - 2014.03.05 20:22:00 - [16] - Quote BL4CKST4R wrote: Pvt Numnutz wrote: Roy Ventus wrote: Pvt Numnutz wrote: I'm happy about it. Assault rifles shouldn't be the best, they should be sub par to other specialized weapons. I'm happy to see them needed for the sake of other weapons. It's been a long time since the AR was King. I was talking about all assault rifles not just the plasma rifle. The at is still fine, I do well with it all the time, I just hate using gallente tech. A few days ago I went 17-4 in a std min logi and a gek. I am under the impression that people moaning about it are still pining for the plasma rifle king days and haven't adapted or learned how to use it. Been using the AR since beta. It was my favorite weapon, prof 5 AR. My current suit uses a level 1 rail rifle and it out classes my prof 5 gek. And I use my RR just how I use my AR cqc hip firing. Same here, used it since beta and have prof 5. I beat RR's with my gek in a std suit. Not proto RRs but hey I'm in a std suit. I don't have much of a problem when I use it, but I mostly use RR because I love the caldari.
Onesimus Tarsus Bragian Order Amarr Empire 1398	Posted - 2014.03.05 20:24:00 - [17] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: I didn't think it was possible to make the Breach AR any worse Oh how wrong I was lol CCP does the impossible yet again! Unless you're just *addicted* to wetsuit paperdolls...
Toby Flenderson research lab 321	Posted - 2014.03.05 20:36:00 - [18] - Quote Leadfoot10 wrote: It was done to increase TTK. The AR (and, oddly enough, the ScR) weren't nerfed as much as other weapons, so relatively speaking, they will have gotten stronger. Math FTW. Stronger than what? Certainly not their old stats. Stronger than other rifles? How do you figure? If a weapon A did 10 damage and and weapon B did 100 damage, we could reduce damage from weapon A by 10% and reduce the damage of weapon B by 50% to get 9 and 50 respectively. One wouldn't say that weapon A, relatively speaking, got stronger than weapon B even though it was needed less. If you're going to compare strengths of weapons you need to establish the two figures being compared. The only thing you can say, based on nerd percentages, is that the percentages are lower for weapon A compared to weapon B. This is far from saying one has gotten stronger. Weapon A still sucks compared to weapon B. This isn't my way of saying any of the rifles suck but the claim that any go stronger "relatively speaking" doesn't make sense in this instance.
Johnny Guilt Algintal Core 538	Posted - 2014.03.05 20:40:00 - [19] - Quote They nerfed all rifles and buffed all niche weapons,rifles are going to be the jack of all weapons,master of none,while other more special weapons outshine them in their element. A strange game. The only winning move is not to play.
The Eristic Sad Panda Solutions 250	Posted - 2014.03.05 20:47:00 - [20] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: I didn't think it was possible to make the Breach AR any worse Oh how wrong I was lol This kinda wrecks my Gal Scout alt. I've been running around with standard Breach and Sleeks exclusively. :^(

Duke Noobiam Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 34	Posted - 2014.03.05 21:08:00 - [21] - Quote Where did you find the data/stats for this? I looked in the feedback section and only found stats for sidearms??? When the red river runs, take the dirt road.
TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR TCD ToXiCaTeD RISE of LEGION 1578	Posted - 2014.03.05 21:13:00 - [22] - Quote in all honesty, it needed a nerf too. just because there are new rifles doesn't change the fact that the AR still has mad DPS. on the occasions that i decide to pull out my duvolle, i wreck just as well as i do with any other rifle, and i've seen quite a few people still rocking the AR and owning everything just as well as they could before. Anime > EVERYTHING
Buster Friently Rosen Association 1902	Posted - 2014.03.05 21:15:00 - [23] - Quote TranquilBiscuit ofVaLoR wrote: in all honesty, it needed a nerf too. just because there are new rifles doesn't change the fact that the AR still has mad DPS. on the occasions that i decide to pull put my duvolle, i wreck just as well as i do with any other rifle, and i've seen quite a few people still rocking the AR and owning everything just as well as they could before. QFT. All of the hitscan, AA bullet hoses need to be nerfed in order to improve tactical options in Dust by increasing TTK.
Kira Takizawa WARNING LABEL Inc. 158	Posted - 2014.03.05 21:17:00 - [24] - Quote Bones McGavins wrote: Honest question... which of the 1 do you deam is the only competitive one? Cause good luck killing my SCR with your rail. Charge shot pop in and out of cover before you can even spool your .25 shots. Good luck killing my CBR with your SCR, ill flux and insta pop you with 100 damage per burst. Good luck killing my rail with your CBR, ill keep my distance and put you out of your optimal. Good lucking killing my SCR with your raill.... Wait. What just happened there? Oh right, those 3 guns are pretty amazingly balanced and it comes down to play style, skill and situation. Right... my bad. Skill, broken weapons, or ez-mode..?
Bones McGavins TacoCat Industries 547	Posted - 2014.03.05 22:01:00 - [25] - Quote Mass driver should NEVER outshine an AR. Its an AOE weapon. It should always lose 1on1 to a direct damage weapon because of its ability to hit multiple people and ability to cause damage by simply hitting near someone. If the MD or other AOE weapons get close to the strength of direct damage weapons the game becomes unplayable. See the flaylock era. The reason being, the AOE weapon only becomes stronger as you add numbers. So if the AOE weapon wins 1on1, then it wins even more 2on2 and it destroys 3on3 and it isnt even touched 4on4. The damage multiplies as you add forces to each side. SO lets say the MD dps is 600 (it isnt) and the AR is 600. 1on1 we have a tie. 2on2 each MD user hits two AR users while each AR hits one MD. MD wins 2400 total damage in a second to 1200 for the AR. 3on3 each MD hits 3 while each AR hits 1. MD wins 5400 to 1800. 4on4 each MD hits 4 while each AR hits 1. MD wins 9600 to 2400. Do you see how that grows? Even if the MD is substanially weaker 1on1, it can reach a critical mass where it wins the engagement. If it wins 1on1 that gets out of hand incredibly quick.
Bojo The Mighty L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 3402	Posted - 2014.03.06 06:47:00 - [26] - Quote 1.8 is your last chance to board the Train of the Month. Pack your bags, just not an assault rifle. Get yourself something shiny like a combat rifle or a rail rifle. All Aboard! I tried Redline Railgunning
jaksol returns highland marines IMMORTAL REGIME 11	Posted - 2014.03.06 06:49:00 - [27] - Quote HYENAKILLER X wrote: Why.......would you........nerf.........the AR? Out of all the weapons, you nerfed the AR. Infact you nerfed ALL OF THEM when only 3 to 4 are actually playable with only 1 being competitive. Guys, please help me understand. thou I think that the AR was perfect as is not oped but not uped either. Sacrifice is a choice you make, Loss is a choice made for you .
medomai grey WarRavens League of Infamy 431	Posted - 2014.03.06 06:50:00 - [28] - Quote HYENAKILLER X wrote: Why.......would you........nerf.........the AR? Out of all the weapons, you nerfed the AR. Infact you nerfed ALL OF THEM when only 3 to 4 are actually playable with only 1 being competitive. Guys, please help me understand. Assault rifles are totally usable. Stop engaging outside of your effective range. [0.0] Blatant Dust_514 recruiting in the silliest of places. :P
Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 4877	Posted - 2014.03.06 06:51:00 - [29] - Quote medomai grey wrote: HYENAKILLER X wrote: Why.......would you........nerf.........the AR? Out of all the weapons, you nerfed the AR. Infact you nerfed ALL OF THEM when only 3 to 4 are actually playable with only 1 being competitive. Guys, please help me understand. Assault rifles are totally usable. Stop engaging outside of your effective range. [0.0] Gets wrecked at effective range anyway *1st Official Role Playing Gallente Asshole* -Title Awarded by True Adamance
STEALTH HUNTER ZERO D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 117	Posted - 2014.03.06 07:09:00 - [30] - Quote You guys are forgetting one major thing in all of this. The majority are armor tanking with dmg mods this build, so the RR and CR were far more effective, not that they weren't a little OP in the first place though. So, with dmg mods getting a nerf as well you will see more people shield tanking than they have lately, and with that the AR, LR, and ScR will become more viable again.

Leadfoot10 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 661	Posted - 2014.03.06 07:14:00 - [31] - Quote Toby Flenderson wrote: Leadfoot10 wrote: It was done to increase TTK. The AR (and, oddly enough, the ScR) weren't nerfed as much as other weapons, so relatively speaking, they will have gotten stronger. Math FTW. Stronger than what? Certainly not their old stats. Stronger than other rifles? How do you figure? If a weapon A did 10 damage and and weapon B did 100 damage, we could reduce damage from weapon A by 10% and reduce the damage of weapon B by 50% to get 9 and 50 respectively. One wouldn't say that weapon A, relatively speaking, got stronger than weapon B even though it was needed less. If you're going to compare strengths of weapons you need to establish the two figures being compared. The only thing you can say, based on nerd percentages, is that the percentages are lower for weapon A compared to weapon B. This is far from saying one has gotten stronger. Weapon A still sucks compared to weapon B. This isn't my way of saying any of the rifles suck but the claim that any go stronger "relatively speaking" doesn't make sense in this instance. I'm sorry that you don't understand what relative means. Said simply, the gap will have be narrowed between the AR and the CR/RR.
Vell0cet SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 1017	Posted - 2014.03.06 08:15:00 - [32] - Quote I think the AR is going to be much stronger in 1.8 than people realize. It has a very large clip, which will be a major asset in a game with longer TTK. Right now, the clip size/reload stats rarely come into play because people die so quickly. Post 1.8 that big clip will be much more of a deciding factor in who wins. The ScR will probably be hit the hardest by the changes as it will really struggle to get through armor before overheating, giving your opponent time to find cover. Best PvE idea ever!
Mordecai Sanguine What The French Red Whines 508	Posted - 2014.03.06 09:14:00 - [33] - Quote HYENAKILLER X wrote: Why.......would you........nerf.........the AR? Out of all the weapons, you nerfed the AR. Infact you nerfed ALL OF THEM when only 3 to 4 are actually playable with only 1 being competitive. Guys, please help me understand. Stupid ****, seriously. "3 to 4 are actually playable" only 1 comptetitive". OK just uninstall the game, go biomass. CR was way more OP than Rail Rifle, ScR was able to insta kill everything that is not a Heavy. AR was totally OP, not compaired with the others rifles but with others weapon JUST before they bring ScR, everybody seems to forgot AR was never fixed. All of these 4 rifles have been an Op weapon in his time. They are not "playable" it's a damn ***** God Mode. "Oh poor AR blah blah" => 3 months ago the AR was the biggest Op weapon Ever with Duvolle slashing trought 15000ehp in less than a Mag..... If nobody have memory here, you should stop complaining.
Korvin Lomont United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION 648	Posted - 2014.03.06 09:21:00 - [34] - Quote Pvt Numnutz wrote: I'm happy about it. Assault rifles shouldn't be the best, they should be sub par to other specialized weapons. I'm happy to see them needed for the sake of other weapons. So could you please enlighten all of us what the purpose of the Assault Rifle is when its sub par to ALL other rifles. And why are ALL other racial Assault rifles better than the origin Design?? In general I agree with the nerf for Rifles but the Gallente AR does not deserve this massive hit it was barely a competition to the other Rifles before 1.8 and in 1.8 it gets degraded to sidearm levels... This balance pass once again shows CCPs lack of understanding in regard to balance. And sadly the CPM once again let those changes slip in
Korvin Lomont United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION 648	Posted - 2014.03.06 09:22:00 - [35] - Quote Ripley Riley wrote: HYENAKILLER X wrote: In fact you nerfed ALL OF THEM when only 3 to 4 are actually playable with only 1 being competitive. Guys, please help me understand. CCP reduced the DPS of just about every weapon to increase TTK. Simple as that. By the way, the AR was still melting faces post-1.7, it just got less attention because of the RR and CR being new and shiny. Even the laser was able to do this but still no one was arguing that the LR was UP. That a weapon is basically able to kill is not an argument whether this weapon is balanced or not .
Korvin Lomont United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION 648	Posted - 2014.03.06 09:29:00 - [36] - Quote Mordecai Sanguine wrote: HYENAKILLER X wrote: Why.......would you........nerf.........the AR? Out of all the weapons, you nerfed the AR. Infact you nerfed ALL OF THEM when only 3 to 4 are actually playable with only 1 being competitive. Guys, please help me understand. Stupid ****, seriously. "3 to 4 are actually playable" only 1 comptetitive". OK just uninstall the game, go biomass. CR was way more OP than Rail Rifle, ScR was able to insta kill everything that is not a Heavy. AR was totally OP, not compaired with the others rifles but with others weapon JUST before they bring ScR, everybody seems to forgot AR was never fixed. All of these 4 rifles have been an Op weapon in his time. They are not "playable" it's a damn ***** God Mode. "Oh poor AR blah blah" => 3 months ago the AR was the biggest Op weapon Ever with Duvolle slashing trought 15000ehp in less than a Mag..... If nobody have memory here, you should stop complaining. The AR was not THAT op it was just common. For instance I could beat the AR any time with a LR as long as I kept them in my optimal. The same is true for multiple other weapons as well. Sure there where a few balancing issues but that's it. The current balance pass degrades the AR to the level of sidearms. While leaving the CR and RR still op. CCP has once again failed to create a balanced set up of weapons. Giving the Rifle with the second lowest DPS the lowest Range makes totally sense .
Krixus Flux Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 68	Posted - 2014.03.06 09:33:00 - [37] - Quote Korvin Lomont wrote: Pvt Numnutz wrote: I'm happy about it. Assault rifles shouldn't be the best, they should be sub par to other specialized weapons. I'm happy to see them needed for the sake of other weapons. So could you please enlighten all of us what the purpose of the Assault Rifle is when its sub par to ALL other rifles. And why are ALL other racial Assault rifles better than the origin Design?? In general I agree with the nerf for Rifles but the Gallente AR does not deserve this massive hit it was barely a competition to the other Rifles before 1.8 and in 1.8 it gets degraded to sidearm levels... This balance pass once again shows CCPs lack of understanding in regard to balance. And sadly the CPM once again let those changes slip in Curiosity paging. Just how are you supposed to balance weapons so that they be equal to each other? I does not compute. Weapons cannot equal each other. The probability is impossible. CPMs are just as powerless as we are.
tander09 KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 42	Posted - 2014.03.06 09:41:00 - [38] - Quote Well even though they nerfed my YE OLDE SMG, Imma still goin to use it. Touch my BPO Gear, and you shall perish in the thrusters of a AMARR TITAN!!!!!!! AMARRIAN4LYFE!
HYENAKILLER X Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 654	Posted - 2014.03.06 10:14:00 - [39] - Quote Mordecai Sanguine wrote: HYENAKILLER X wrote: Why.......would you........nerf.........the AR? Out of all the weapons, you nerfed the AR. Infact you nerfed ALL OF THEM when only 3 to 4 are actually playable with only 1 being competitive. Guys, please help me understand. Stupid ****, seriously. "3 to 4 are actually playable" only 1 comptetitive". OK just uninstall the game, go biomass. CR was way more OP than Rail Rifle, ScR was able to insta kill everything that is not a Heavy. AR was totally OP, not compaired with the others rifles but with others weapon JUST before they bring ScR, everybody seems to forgot AR was never fixed. All of these 4 rifles have been an Op weapon in his time. They are not "playable" it's a damn ***** God Mode. "Oh poor AR blah blah" => 3 months ago the AR was the biggest Op weapon Ever with Duvolle slashing trought 15000ehp in less than a Mag..... If nobody have memory here, you should stop complaining. By competitive I was refering to ar's. The gek is great in skirmish, but seldom cuts it in ambush. Breach/tac are niche and literally stop you from making a significant impact due to dps. Burst ar is out classed entirely by cr, and insanely expensive. Only the duvolle makes a stand. The creodron breach ar needs atleast 2 damage mods. put a scope on the breach and kick up rpm by 65-70. Im not from new eden. I dont need back up, political power or support. I, unlike you dont fear nuetral territory. I fear
Atom Heart Mother Nazionali Senza Filtro 113	Posted - 2014.03.06 10:22:00 - [40] - Quote Pvt Numnutz wrote: I'm happy about it. Assault rifles shouldn't be the best, they should be sub par to other specialized weapons. I'm happy to see them needed for the sake of other weapons. Man, where do you come from??? Have you been playing the game lately? The AR is not being used by anyone in the past months due to OP RR and CR, now, with 1,8 nerf it will be even more useless, the tweaks should have affected OP weapons only. This is another mistake made by CCP and people like you are supporting this insane changes. I'm really disappointed, not to talk about the grenades nerf as well, AVers find themselves even more frustrated than before. This is not a good job CCP.

Rei Shepard The Rainbow Effect Negative-Feedback 1617	Posted - 2014.03.06 10:26:00 - [41] - Quote HYENAKILLER X wrote: Why.......would you........nerf.........the AR? Out of all the weapons, you nerfed the AR. Infact you nerfed ALL OF THEM when only 3 to 4 are actually playable with only 1 being competitive. Guys, please help me understand. I wonder how run in's with heavies are gonna go now, even vs retarted heavies with no aim but 2.5k EHP to chew through ....witch a single clip or overheat isnt gonna cut it. The assault suit looks dead to me and so are its weapons. Winner of the EU Squad Cup "Go Go Power Rangers!" "Accuracy"
HYENAKILLER X Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 654	Posted - 2014.03.06 10:32:00 - [42] - Quote Rei Shepard wrote: HYENAKILLER X wrote: Why.......would you........nerf.........the AR? Out of all the weapons, you nerfed the AR. Infact you nerfed ALL OF THEM when only 3 to 4 are actually playable with only 1 being competitive. Guys, please help me understand. I wonder how run in's with heavies are gonna go now, even vs retarted heavies with no aim but 2.5k EHP to chew through ....witch a single clip or overheat isnt gonna cut it. The assault suit looks dead to me and so are its weapons. Lol...........if you think assault suits are dead I can only laugh. my gal assault g series is amazing. You should get the advanced and experiment. Trust me. Ive been in this game for 9 months and i specd into gal logi recently. If we get a respec that thing is gone and im going gal assault proto for sure. Im not from new eden. I dont need back up, political power or support. I, unlike you dont fear nuetral territory. I fear
Pvt Numnutz R 0 N 1 N 870	Posted - 2014.03.06 10:45:00 - [43] - Quote Atom Heart Mother wrote: Pvt Numnutz wrote: I'm happy about it. Assault rifles shouldn't be the best, they should be sub par to other specialized weapons. I'm happy to see them needed for the sake of other weapons. Man, where do you come from??? Have you been playing the game lately? The AR is not being used by anyone in the past months due to OP RR and CR, now, with 1,8 nerf it will be even more useless, the tweaks should have affected OP weapons only. This is another mistake made by CCP and people like you are supporting this insane changes. I'm really disappointed, not to talk about the grenades nerf as well, AVers find themselves even more frustrated than before. This is not a good job CCP. Where did I come from? Been playing since beta, and yes I've got quite a good consecutive streak right now. The ar is fine, I do well with it whenever I use it. I hope all the assault rifles are less effective, because they shouldn't be the go to weapons. Grunts are grunts, specialized weapons should be better than assault rifles. I can see that the av nades might be an issue, though people like you are bringing it up like children. If you want CCP to listen to you seriously don't insult them or yell in their face, try and be an adult about it. I like what they did with rifles and their prof skills. Personally I think it will make the use of rifles much more skill full on the players part and will lead to some interesting fits. I think the changes will balance out rifles and give them roles, as well as encourage the use of aide arms. I also like the "grenade Nerf" (even though grenade stats are staying as they are) because there probably won't be as much grenade spam. Of course I'm waiting for the release to see if this will play out as mentioned above, as are we all. Off of what they have given us this seems like the best patch yet.
General12912 Gallente Marine Corps 82	Posted - 2014.03.06 10:46:00 - [44] - Quote Pvt Numnutz wrote: I'm happy about it. Assault rifles shouldn't be the best, they should be sub par to other specialized weapons. I'm happy to see them needed for the sake of other weapons. the AR has been the worst rifle since the other rifles came out. it never was the best since the RR/CR were released. now that all the other guns fit racial characteristics, the AR needs to fit its racial characteristics as well. its already the shortest ranged rifle, but it needs to be effective in that short range. all your guns can already out-range ours, giving you and advantage over us. the whole argument that the AR is the weapon thats the jack-of-all trades but master at none needs to be made invalid now. because with all the other rifle ranges, its not even a jack-of-all trades now. it need to be feared if some loser is actually within its range. feared like a shotgun or HMG is now at point-blank range. anyways, to the topic poster, the guns were nerfed to increase time-to-kill (TTK). its been said a million times by other and i. with its current rate-of-fire combined with its damage per shot, maybe the AR will be more devastating now. the AR was the 3rd lowest nerfed percentage-wise, and the second lowest in raw stats (the smg was hit the lightest in raw stats). we'll see how this turns out. Assault Gk.0 Gallente Federation Patriot General of the Gallente Marine Corps. Look us up if you want to join.
Pvt Numnutz R 0 N 1 N 871	Posted - 2014.03.06 10:54:00 - [45] - Quote General12912 wrote: Pvt Numnutz wrote: I'm happy about it. Assault rifles shouldn't be the best, they should be sub par to other specialized weapons. I'm happy to see them needed for the sake of other weapons. the AR has been the worst rifle since the other rifles came out. it never was the best since the RR/CR were released. now that all the other guns fit racial characteristics, the AR needs to fit its racial characteristics as well. its already the shortest ranged rifle, but it needs to be effective in that short range. all your guns can already out-range ours, giving you and advantage over us. the whole argument that the AR is the weapon thats the jack-of-all trades but master at none needs to be made invalid now. because with all the other rifle ranges, its not even a jack-of-all trades now. it need to be feared if some loser is actually within its range. feared like a shotgun or HMG is now at point-blank range. anyways, to the topic poster, the guns were nerfed to increase time-to-kill (TTK). its been said a million times by other and i. with its current rate-of-fire combined with its damage per shot, maybe the AR will be more devastating now. the AR was the 3rd lowest nerfed percentage-wise, and the second lowest in raw stats (the smg was hit the lightest in raw stats). we'll see how this turns out. Again I wasn't talking about the plasma rifle I was talking about assault rifles in general. It is effective at short range, I get killed by them all the time. I take assault rifles very seriously as a caldari. They do more damage against my shields, that's a threat to me. In close range I'm not as effective with my RR, especially if they break LOS and make me charge my rifle. The at is still very much viable in 1.7, I know, I have prof 5. It shouldn't be a jack of all trades weapon, its an assault rifle.
General12912 Gallente Marine Corps 82	Posted - 2014.03.06 11:05:00 - [46] - Quote Pvt Numnutz wrote: General12912 wrote: Pvt Numnutz wrote: I'm happy about it. Assault rifles shouldn't be the best, they should be sub par to other specialized weapons. I'm happy to see them needed for the sake of other weapons. the AR has been the worst rifle since the other rifles came out. it never was the best since the RR/CR were released. now that all the other guns fit racial characteristics, the AR needs to fit its racial characteristics as well. its already the shortest ranged rifle, but it needs to be effective in that short range. all your guns can already out-range ours, giving you and advantage over us. the whole argument that the AR is the weapon thats the jack-of-all trades but master at none needs to be made invalid now. because with all the other rifle ranges, its not even a jack-of-all trades now. it need to be feared if some loser is actually within its range. feared like a shotgun or HMG is now at point-blank range. anyways, to the topic poster, the guns were nerfed to increase time-to-kill (TTK). its been said a million times by other and i. with its current rate-of-fire combined with its damage per shot, maybe the AR will be more devastating now. the AR was the 3rd lowest nerfed percentage-wise, and the second lowest in raw stats (the smg was hit the lightest in raw stats). we'll see how this turns out. Again I wasn't talking about the plasma rifle I was talking about assault rifles in general. It is effective at short range, I get killed by them all the time. I take assault rifles very seriously as a caldari. They do more damage against my shields, that's a threat to me. In close range I'm not as effective with my RR, especially if they break LOS and make me charge my rifle. The at is still very much viable in 1.7, I know, I have prof 5. It shouldn't be a jack of all trades weapon, its an assault rifle. plasma rifles- one of the guns used by the amarr (i do believe in the book, Templar One) assault rifle- the gun this topic is about. the gallentean racial rifle. please clarify next time if you are talking about all assault-variant rifles, say so. Assault Gk.0 Gallente Federation Patriot General of the Gallente Marine Corps. Look us up if you want to join.
Rei Shepard The Rainbow Effect Negative-Feedback 1617	Posted - 2014.03.06 11:28:00 - [47] - Quote HYENAKILLER X wrote: Rei Shepard wrote: HYENAKILLER X wrote: Why.......would you........nerf.........the AR? Out of all the weapons, you nerfed the AR. Infact you nerfed ALL OF THEM when only 3 to 4 are actually playable with only 1 being competitive. Guys, please help me understand. I wonder how run in's with heavies are gonna go now, even vs retarted heavies with no aim but 2.5k EHP to chew through ....witch a single clip or overheat isnt gonna cut it. The assault suit looks dead to me and so are its weapons. Lol...........if you think assault suits are dead I can only laugh. my gal assault g series is amazing. You should get the advanced and experiment. Trust me. Ive been in this game for 9 months and i specd into gal logi recently. If we get a respec that thing is gone and im going gal assault proto for sure. You arent really good at deducting whats gonna happen, when you review all the the statistics on the released stats eh ? Ive been running Amarr Assault since it was introduced and run on average 35 kills a game with any of the current light assault weapons, if i had run a logistics suit since then i would have scored even better. But less damage, less damage mods, same slots, resistances on heavy suits, 2.5k EHP, 1k EHP scout suits, still the same lol tanks ...but hey ...my assault suit in my current fit has 600 EHP and after the 1.8 patch we do not get anything that say "Assault".... You keep chiming in that your assault suit is awesome, ive ran AUR logi suits and boy ..did my killing sprees go up from roughly 30-40 kills to 70-80 kills a game....you must not be very good at this game if your assault suit gets you better performance...and my scores never really cared if i had to go through 1 or 2 teams to get them.... Assault suits are dead in 1.8, luckely i got 33m SP with 3m SP not spend just in case. If these notes hit like they are, i will go scout, 1k EHP scout with assault speed and a cloak.... Winner of the EU Squad Cup "Go Go Power Rangers!" "Accuracy"
Pvt Numnutz R 0 N 1 N 873	Posted - 2014.03.06 11:35:00 - [48] - Quote General12912 wrote: Pvt Numnutz wrote: General12912 wrote: Pvt Numnutz wrote: I'm happy about it. Assault rifles shouldn't be the best, they should be sub par to other specialized weapons. I'm happy to see them needed for the sake of other weapons. the AR has been the worst rifle since the other rifles came out. it never was the best since the RR/CR were released. now that all the other guns fit racial characteristics, the AR needs to fit its racial characteristics as well. its already the shortest ranged rifle, but it needs to be effective in that short range. all your guns can already out-range ours, giving you and advantage over us. the whole argument that the AR is the weapon thats the jack-of-all trades but master at none needs to be made invalid now. because with all the other rifle ranges, its not even a jack-of-all trades now. it need to be feared if some loser is actually within its range. feared like a shotgun or HMG is now at point-blank range. anyways, to the topic poster, the guns were nerfed to increase time-to-kill (TTK). its been said a million times by other and i. with its current rate-of-fire combined with its damage per shot, maybe the AR will be more devastating now. the AR was the 3rd lowest nerfed percentage-wise, and the second lowest in raw stats (the smg was hit the lightest in raw stats). we'll see how this turns out. Again I wasn't talking about the plasma rifle I was talking about assault rifles in general. It is effective at short range, I get killed by them all the time. I take assault rifles very seriously as a caldari. They do more damage against my shields, that's a threat to me. In close range I'm not as effective with my RR, especially if they break LOS and make me charge my rifle. The at is still very much viable in 1.7, I know, I have prof 5. It shouldn't be a jack of all trades weapon, its an assault rifle. plasma rifles- one of the guns used by the amarr (i do believe in the book, Templar One) assault rifle- the gun this topic is about. the gallentean racial rifle. please clarify next time if you are talking about all assault-variant rifles, say so. Not everyone has read Templar one. There are four racial assault rifles I am clarifying, the gallente rifle uses plasma, ergo plasma rifle, I could call it a blaster rifle if your really that offended. But when I say assault rifles shouldn't be the go to weapons I mean all assault rifles.
Toby Flenderson research lab 322	Posted - 2014.03.06 12:26:00 - [49] - Quote Leadfoot10 wrote: Toby Flenderson wrote: Leadfoot10 wrote: It was done to increase TTK. The AR (and, oddly enough, the ScR) weren't nerfed as much as other weapons, so relatively speaking, they will have gotten stronger. Math FTW. Stronger than what? Certainly not their old stats. Stronger than other rifles? How do you figure? If a weapon A did 10 damage and and weapon B did 100 damage, we could reduce damage from weapon A by 10% and reduce the damage of weapon B by 50% to get 9 and 50 respectively. One wouldn't say that weapon A, relatively speaking, got stronger than weapon B even though it was needed less. If you're going to compare strengths of weapons you need to establish the two figures being compared. The only thing you can say, based on nerd percentages, is that the percentages are lower for weapon A compared to weapon B. This is far from saying one has gotten stronger. Weapon A still sucks compared to weapon B. This isn't my way of saying any of the rifles suck but the claim that any go stronger "relatively speaking" doesn't make sense in this instance. I'm sorry that you don't understand what relative means. Said simply, the gap will have be narrowed between the AR and the CR/RR. If you'd like, you can (a) calcualte the difference in DPS between the AR and the CR and RR, then compare that to (b) the revised difference in DPS post-nerf. Please report back what you find....Leadfoot Gaps don't mean anything in terms of stronger and weaker, it's just a difference. These terms require two figures of the same type (damage per bullet/sec type figure) and claiming one has surpassed the other. Bringing them each closer to a lower value, say 0, does not somehow make them stronger, even relatively. The only time that you could claim that one became relatives stronger over the other in cases of nerds would be if the resulting figures flipped. What I mean is that if A > B pre-nerf and A < B post-nerf then you could say B became larger than A, relatively speaking, even if they values were both decreased. As this did not happen, claiming something got "stronger" is wrong.
RINON114 B.S.A.A. General Tso's Alliance 532	Posted - 2014.03.06 12:47:00 - [50] - Quote HYENAKILLER X wrote: Rei Shepard wrote: HYENAKILLER X wrote: Why.......would you........nerf.........the AR? Out of all the weapons, you nerfed the AR. Infact you nerfed ALL OF THEM when only 3 to 4 are actually playable with only 1 being competitive. Guys, please help me understand. I wonder how run in's with heavies are gonna go now, even vs retarted heavies with no aim but 2.5k EHP to chew through ....witch a single clip or overheat isnt gonna cut it. The assault suit looks dead to me and so are its weapons. Lol...........if you think assault suits are dead I can only laugh. my gal assault g series is amazing. You should get the advanced and experiment. Trust me. Ive been in this game for 9 months and i specd into gal logi recently. If we get a respec that thing is gone and im going gal assault proto for sure. There are people who have been here a lot longer that would disagree entirely. Assault suits are going to be 99% redundant in this patch as they will be outgunned and outclassed by every other suit. The only saving grace they have is their flexibility at basic variants, where logi suits are only worth it at advanced. I will finally be going into the suit I wanted from the start which is the Gallente heavy, so I'll be doing just fine. Good luck meeting me on the battlefield with your assault suit.

The Terminator T-1000 Skynet Incorporated 182	Posted - 2014.03.06 13:35:00 - [51] - Quote Working as intended (Tm)
HYENAKILLER X Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 654	Posted - 2014.03.06 20:56:00 - [52] - Quote RINON114 wrote: HYENAKILLER X wrote: Rei Shepard wrote: HYENAKILLER X wrote: Why.......would you........nerf.........the AR? Out of all the weapons, you nerfed the AR. Infact you nerfed ALL OF THEM when only 3 to 4 are actually playable with only 1 being competitive. Guys, please help me understand. I wonder how run in's with heavies are gonna go now, even vs retarted heavies with no aim but 2.5k EHP to chew through ....witch a single clip or overheat isnt gonna cut it. The assault suit looks dead to me and so are its weapons. Lol...........if you think assault suits are dead I can only laugh. my gal assault g series is amazing. You should get the advanced and experiment. Trust me. Ive been in this game for 9 months and i specd into gal logi recently. If we get a respec that thing is gone and im going gal assault proto for sure. There are people who have been here a lot longer that would disagree entirely. Assault suits are going to be 99% redundant in this patch as they will be outgunned and outclassed by every other suit. The only saving grace they have is their flexibility at basic variants, where logi suits are only worth it at advanced. I will finally be going into the suit I wanted from the start which is the Gallente heavy, so I'll be doing just fine. Good luck meeting me on the battlefield with your assault suit. You have no idea what you are talking about and neither do the people agreeing with you. Im not from new eden. I dont need back up, political power or support. I, unlike you dont fear nuetral territory.


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