Stronger than what? Certainly not their old stats. Stronger than other rifles? How do you figure? If a weapon A did 10 damage and and weapon B did 100 damage, we could reduce damage from weapon A by 10% and reduce the damage of weapon B by 50% to get 9 and 50 respectively. One wouldn't say that weapon A, relatively speaking, got stronger than weapon B even though it was needed less. If you're going to compare strengths of weapons you need to establish the two figures being compared. The only thing you can say, based on nerd percentages, is that the percentages are lower for weapon A compared to weapon B. This is far from saying one has gotten stronger. Weapon A still sucks compared to weapon B.

This isn't my way of saying any of the rifles suck but the claim that any go stronger "relatively speaking" doesn't make sense in this instance.

Why.......would you........nerf.........the AR?

Out of all the weapons, you nerfed the AR.


Infact you nerfed ALL OF THEM when only 3 to 4 are actually playable with only 1 being competitive.

Guys, please help me understand.

I'm happy about it. Assault rifles shouldn't be the best, they should be sub par to other specialized weapons. I'm happy to see them needed for the sake of other weapons.

CCP reduced the DPS of just about every weapon to increase TTK. Simple as that.

By the way, the AR was still melting faces post-1.7, it just got less attention because of the RR and CR being new and shiny.

Stupid ******, seriously.
"3 to 4 are actually playable" only 1 comptetitive".
OK just uninstall the game, go biomass.

CR was way more OP than Rail Rifle, ScR was able to insta kill everything that is not a Heavy.
AR was totally OP, not compaired with the others rifles but with others weapon JUST before they bring ScR, everybody seems to forgot AR was never fixed.
All of these 4 rifles have been an Op weapon in his time.

They are not "playable" it's a damn ******* God Mode.
"Oh poor AR blah blah" => 3 months ago the AR was the biggest Op weapon Ever with Duvolle slashing trought 15000ehp in less than a Mag.....

If nobody have memory here, you should stop complaining.

So could you please enlighten all of us what the purpose of the Assault Rifle is when its sub par to ALL other rifles. And why are ALL other racial Assault rifles better than the origin Design??

In general I agree with the nerf for Rifles but the Gallente AR does not deserve this massive hit it was barely a competition to the other Rifles before 1.8 and in 1.8 it gets degraded to sidearm levels...

This balance pass once again shows CCPs lack of understanding in regard to balance. And sadly the CPM once again let those changes slip in

Stupid ******, seriously.
"3 to 4 are actually playable" only 1 comptetitive".
OK just uninstall the game, go biomass.

CR was way more OP than Rail Rifle, ScR was able to insta kill everything that is not a Heavy.
AR was totally OP, not compaired with the others rifles but with others weapon JUST before they bring ScR, everybody seems to forgot AR was never fixed.
All of these 4 rifles have been an Op weapon in his time.

They are not "playable" it's a damn ******* God Mode.
"Oh poor AR blah blah" => 3 months ago the AR was the biggest Op weapon Ever with Duvolle slashing trought 15000ehp in less than a Mag.....

If nobody have memory here, you should stop complaining.

I'm happy about it. Assault rifles shouldn't be the best, they should be sub par to other specialized weapons. I'm happy to see them needed for the sake of other weapons.

Why.......would you........nerf.........the AR?

Out of all the weapons, you nerfed the AR.


Infact you nerfed ALL OF THEM when only 3 to 4 are actually playable with only 1 being competitive.

Guys, please help me understand.

I wonder how run in's with heavies are gonna go now, even vs retarted heavies with no aim but 2.5k EHP to chew through ....witch a single clip or overheat isnt gonna cut it.

The assault suit looks dead to me and so are its weapons.

Man, where do you come from??? Have you been playing the game lately? The AR is not being used by anyone in the past months due to OP RR and CR, now, with 1,8 nerf it will be even more useless, the tweaks should have affected OP weapons only. This is another mistake made by CCP and people like you are supporting this insane changes. I'm really disappointed, not to talk about the grenades nerf as well, AVers find themselves even more frustrated than before. This is not a good job CCP.

I'm happy about it. Assault rifles shouldn't be the best, they should be sub par to other specialized weapons. I'm happy to see them needed for the sake of other weapons.

the AR has been the worst rifle since the other rifles came out. it never was the best since the RR/CR were released. now that all the other guns fit racial characteristics, the AR needs to fit its racial characteristics as well. its already the shortest ranged rifle, but it needs to be effective in that short range. all your guns can already out-range ours, giving you and advantage over us. the whole argument that the AR is the weapon thats the jack-of-all trades but master at none needs to be made invalid now. because with all the other rifle ranges, its not even a jack-of-all trades now. it need to be feared if some loser is actually within its range. feared like a shotgun or HMG is now at point-blank range.

anyways, to the topic poster, the guns were nerfed to increase time-to-kill (TTK). its been said a million times by other and i. with its current rate-of-fire combined with its damage per shot, maybe the AR will be more devastating now. the AR was the 3rd lowest nerfed percentage-wise, and the second lowest in raw stats (the smg was hit the lightest in raw stats). we'll see how this turns out.

Again I wasn't talking about the plasma rifle I was talking about assault rifles in general. It is effective at short range, I get killed by them all the time. I take assault rifles very seriously as a caldari. They do more damage against my shields, that's a threat to me. In close range I'm not as effective with my RR, especially if they break LOS and make me charge my rifle. The at is still very much viable in 1.7, I know, I have prof 5. It shouldn't be a jack of all trades weapon, its an assault rifle.

Lol...........if you think assault suits are dead I can only laugh. my gal assault g series is amazing. You should get the advanced and experiment. Trust me. Ive been in this game for 9 months and i specd into gal logi recently. If we get a respec that thing is gone and im going gal assault proto for sure.

plasma rifles- one of the guns used by the amarr (i do believe in the book, Templar One)
assault rifle- the gun this topic is about. the gallentean racial rifle.


please clarify next time


if you are talking about all assault-variant rifles, say so.

I'm sorry that you don't understand what relative means.

Said simply, the gap will have be narrowed between the AR and the CR/RR.

If you'd like, you can (a) calcualte the difference in DPS between the AR and the CR and RR, then compare that to (b) the revised difference in DPS post-nerf.

Please report back what you find....Leadfoot

Lol...........if you think assault suits are dead I can only laugh. my gal assault g series is amazing. You should get the advanced and experiment. Trust me. Ive been in this game for 9 months and i specd into gal logi recently. If we get a respec that thing is gone and im going gal assault proto for sure.

There are people who have been here a lot longer that would disagree entirely. Assault suits are going to be 99% redundant in this patch as they will be outgunned and outclassed by every other suit. The only saving grace they have is their flexibility at basic variants, where logi suits are only worth it at advanced.

I will finally be going into the suit I wanted from the start which is the Gallente heavy, so I'll be doing just fine. Good luck meeting me on the battlefield with your assault suit.