DUST Search - [Weapon Idea] : Caldari Aether Hive

Hynox Xitio wrote:

Godin Thekiller wrote:

Mass driver is meant for Area suppression. Doesn't mean that it is really good for using as a shotgun. Also, shotguns are, never were for, and never will be for suppression. so that argument is invalid. Also, adding **** just to is pointless unless it's the exact same as another (which at that point it's just a skin with stats), and in these games, everything does have a purpose, so that argument is invalid. Lastly, going back to my first point, a shotgun is a shotgun. the role doesn't change at all; a CQ weapon with very high alpha. Huh, is't that what I just said? Nova sword with a charge slash? I don't think you understand what you're asking for yourself, nor is thinking about the balance side of things.

When I say team support I'm thinking more along the lines of a logi's gun or a backup for a commando, and even then to say shotguns cannot be support guns is a bit concerning, have you ever played Battlefield or TF2? The shotguns in those games are incredibly weighted towards team support, and lack the stopping power to make them viable primaries in large engagements (Although shotguns in BF can be very potent.)

As for the alleged pointlessness of adding guns that doesn't have a rock-solid role to fit in the game, don't you feel like thats a rather closed-minded and elitist statement? I mean, assuming all the guns are balanced, the more weapons there are, the more experimentation you can have, and the less you have to sacrifice to find you "perfect gun." A perfect example of this is Borderlands 2, you can have millions of guns and still have a fun balanced game.

Also, requesting a nova sword in the same reply saying that there needs to be fewer guns?

I detect silliness.

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Hynox Xitio Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 315	Posted - 2014.03.05 00:49:00 - [1] - Quote Hey guys I did some concept art and specs for a cool Caldari weapon I thought of the other day, have a look! ding! Hynox Xitio // Patron Saint of Fogwogglers // Master Heavy
Hynox Xitio Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 315	Posted - 2014.03.05 01:07:00 - [2] - Quote Also feel free to ask any questions/critique as you please. Any changes I make based on your suggestion will totally be credited to you. Hynox Xitio // Patron Saint of Fogwogglers // Master Heavy
Shiruba Ryou 265	Posted - 2014.03.05 01:12:00 - [3] - Quote IS SUMMONED BY MAGIC Only took a quick glance but it looks interested. More interested in the build concept though. I'll take a closer look at it later tomorrow. Eyes getting sleepy >.< "Not to worry. The cards say you loved it." `- Ryoutoshi`
Terry Webber Turalyon 514 Turalyon Alliance 419	Posted - 2014.03.05 01:44:00 - [4] - Quote I love the concept but I think the name is misleading. Maybe change it to something that involves the word shotgun. Join Turalyon 514 today! Click here for more info.
Hynox Xitio Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 315	Posted - 2014.03.05 02:19:00 - [5] - Quote Terry Webber wrote: I love the concept but I think the name is misleading. Maybe change it to something that involves the word shotgun. I honest to god tried man, but I can't bring myself to give it such a generic name. Plus on a more serious note, I used the word "hive" because like the nanohive, it's made by the Caldari and is used as a team support item, so it's not THAT outlandish. Only the Nanohive dispenses ammo to allies and the Aether hive dispenses ammo to the enemy (at very high speeds.) Hynox Xitio // Patron Saint of Fogwogglers // Master Heavy
Godin Thekiller OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 1825	Posted - 2014.03.05 02:52:00 - [6] - Quote There is no point to have another shotgun, and how this sounds, it confirms why there's no point. Give Caldari a Nova Sword with a charge slash (as in charge it, and a slash flies toward the enemy). 'lights cigar' fuck with me, and I'll melt your face off. Gallente forever! Blup Blub Bloop. Translation: Die -_-
Hynox Xitio Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 315	Posted - 2014.03.05 02:55:00 - [7] - Quote Godin Thekiller wrote: There is no point to have another shotgun, and how this sounds, it confirms why there's no point. Give Caldari a Nova Sword with a charge slash (as in charge it, and a slash flies toward the enemy). I gave a pretty clear cut role in my document, also just because a weapon doesn't have a definitive purpose in the game doesn't mean it has no place in the game. If that were true, half the shooters out there would have a grand total of 7 guns. :D Also sorry but dare I say that you saying it could be replaced with a melee weapon implies that you misunderstood the weapon role.) Hynox Xitio // Patron Saint of Fogwogglers // Master Heavy
Heathen Bastard The Bastard Brigade 1073	Posted - 2014.03.05 02:58:00 - [8] - Quote Heh, you draw designs like I do.(question mark?) I like it! Been really hoping they implement a caldari shotgun for a while now. If you hear the words "WORTH IT!" look about, something hilarious just happened.
Hynox Xitio Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 315	Posted - 2014.03.05 03:03:00 - [9] - Quote Heathen Bastard wrote: Heh, you draw designs like I do.(question mark?) I like it! Been really hoping they implement a caldari shotgun for a while now. The question marks make me sound super incompetent/unsure which is great. Hynox Xitio // Patron Saint of Fogwogglers // Master Heavy
Godin Thekiller OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 1825	Posted - 2014.03.05 03:07:00 - [10] - Quote Hynox Xitio wrote: Godin Thekiller wrote: There is no point to have another shotgun, and how this sounds, it confirms why there's no point. Give Caldari a Nova Sword with a charge slash (as in charge it, and a slash flies toward the enemy). I gave a pretty clear cut role in my document, also just because a weapon doesn't have a definitive purpose in the game doesn't mean it has no place in the game. If that were true, half the shooters out there would have a grand total of 7 guns. :D Also sorry but dare I say that you saying it could be replaced with a melee weapon implies that you misunderstood the weapon role.) Mass driver is meant for Area suppression. Doesn't mean that it is really good for using as a shotgun. Also, shotguns are, never were for, and never will be for suppression. so that argument is invalid. Also, adding **** just to is pointless unless it's the exact same as another (which at that point it's just a skin with stats), and in these games, everything does have a purpose, so that argument is invalid. Lastly, going back to my first point, a shotgun is a shotgun. the role doesn't change at all; a CQ weapon with very high alpha. Huh, is't that what I just said? Nova sword with a charge slash? I don't think you understand what you're asking for yourself, nor is thinking about the balance side of things. 'lights cigar' fuck with me, and I'll melt your face off. Gallente forever! Blup Blub Bloop. Translation: Die -_-

Heathen Bastard The Bastard Brigade 1074	Posted - 2014.03.05 03:07:00 - [11] - Quote well, you do write level.(I tend to scrawl notes all around the page as I go. If I'm ever looking at something I drew upside down, I'm not checking the angle, I'm reading my notes.) and less circling/crossing off of notes. I'll write something down and scribble it out because it was bad or didn't jive with the design as it evolved. If you hear the words "WORTH IT!" look about, something hilarious just happened.
General12912 Gallente Marine Corps 81	Posted - 2014.03.05 03:25:00 - [12] - Quote no caldari shotguns. it doesnt even fit the lore. shotguns are close range/high damage. thats a gallentean thing... Assault Gk.0 Gallente Federation Patriot General of the Gallente Marine Corps. Look us up if you want to join.
Hynox Xitio Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 315	Posted - 2014.03.05 03:29:00 - [13] - Quote Godin Thekiller wrote: Mass driver is meant for Area suppression. Doesn't mean that it is really good for using as a shotgun. Also, shotguns are, never were for, and never will be for suppression. so that argument is invalid. Also, adding **** just to is pointless unless it's the exact same as another (which at that point it's just a skin with stats), and in these games, everything does have a purpose, so that argument is invalid. Lastly, going back to my first point, a shotgun is a shotgun. the role doesn't change at all; a CQ weapon with very high alpha. Huh, is't that what I just said? Nova sword with a charge slash? I don't think you understand what you're asking for yourself, nor is thinking about the balance side of things. When I say team support I'm thinking more along the lines of a logi's gun or a backup for a commando, and even then to say shotguns cannot be support guns is a bit concerning, have you ever played Battlefield or TF2? The shotguns in those games are incredibly weighted towards team support, and lack the stopping power to make them viable primaries in large engagements (Although shotguns in BF can be very potent.) As for the alleged pointlessness of adding guns that doesn't have a rock-solid role to fit in the game, don't you feel like thats a rather closed-minded and elitist statement? I mean, assuming all the guns are balanced, the more weapons there are, the more experimentation you can have, and the less you have to sacrifice to find you "perfect gun." A perfect example of this is Borderlands 2, you can have millions of guns and still have a fun balanced game. Also, requesting a nova sword in the same reply saying that there needs to be fewer guns? I detect silliness. Hynox Xitio // Patron Saint of Fogwogglers // Master Heavy
Hynox Xitio Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 315	Posted - 2014.03.05 03:33:00 - [14] - Quote General12912 wrote: no caldari shotguns. it doesnt even fit the lore. shotguns are close range/high damage. thats a gallentean thing... Psst. Pssssssssst. It's a mid-range repeater/shotgun, not a close-range shottie. :) Shotguns have some nuts range IRL. Hynox Xitio // Patron Saint of Fogwogglers // Master Heavy
General12912 Gallente Marine Corps 81	Posted - 2014.03.05 03:48:00 - [15] - Quote Hynox Xitio wrote: General12912 wrote: no caldari shotguns. it doesnt even fit the lore. shotguns are close range/high damage. thats a gallentean thing... Psst. Pssssssssst. It's a mid-range repeater/shotgun, not a close-range shottie. :) Shotguns have some nuts range IRL. i realise shotties have crazy range irl. but this isnt irl. i guess if its a mid range repeater, i may have some caldari charcteristics to it. bu dont you guys have too many weapons already? by 1.8, you are already goig to have more sidearms than minmatar, who are supposed to be the sidearm masters. dont believe me? their loyalty store only has sidearm damage mods. and the smg is argueably the best sidearm out there. Assault Gk.0 Gallente Federation Patriot General of the Gallente Marine Corps. Look us up if you want to join.
Hynox Xitio Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 315	Posted - 2014.03.05 03:54:00 - [16] - Quote General12912 wrote: i realise shotties have crazy range irl. but this isnt irl. i guess if its a mid range repeater, i may have some caldari charcteristics to it. bu dont you guys have too many weapons already? by 1.8, you are already goig to have more sidearms than minmatar, who are supposed to be the sidearm masters. dont believe me? their loyalty store only has sidearm damage mods. and the smg is argueably the best sidearm out there. Wait I can't make concept art if there's too many Caldari weapons? In all seriousness though, we could use some new weapons on all sides. Also the Aether Hive would be a primarily weapon for sure, and perhaps it would suffer in movement speed. Hynox Xitio // Patron Saint of Fogwogglers // Master Heavy
Kilo Shells G.L.O.R.Y 34	Posted - 2014.03.05 04:00:00 - [17] - Quote To be fair you should make a Galente sniper rifle ;) It's very clear you put a lot of work into this, I would like to say thank you. My only recommendation is make it more caldari, low ROF slugs would do. True Caldari Assault forget to tell you, I left some remotes on your tank....
Godin Thekiller OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 1829	Posted - 2014.03.05 04:34:00 - [18] - Quote Hynox Xitio wrote: Godin Thekiller wrote: Mass driver is meant for Area suppression. Doesn't mean that it is really good for using as a shotgun. Also, shotguns are, never were for, and never will be for suppression. so that argument is invalid. Also, adding ** just to is pointless unless it's the exact same as another (which at that point it's just a skin with stats), and in these games, everything does have a purpose, so that argument is invalid. Lastly, going back to my first point, a shotgun is a shotgun. the role doesn't change at all; a CQ weapon with very high alpha. Huh, is't that what I just said? Nova sword with a charge slash? I don't think you understand what you're asking for yourself, nor is thinking about the balance side of things. When I say team support I'm thinking more along the lines of a logi's gun or a backup for a commando, and even then to say shotguns cannot be support guns is a bit concerning, have you ever played Battlefield or TF2? The shotguns in those games are incredibly weighted towards team support, and lack the stopping power to make them viable primaries in large engagements (Although shotguns in BF can be very potent.) As for the alleged pointlessness of adding guns that doesn't have a rock-solid role to fit in the game, don't you feel like thats a rather closed-minded and elitist statement? I mean, assuming all the guns are balanced, the more weapons there are, the more experimentation you can have, and the less you have to sacrifice to find you "perfect gun." A perfect example of this is Borderlands 2, you can have millions of guns and still have a fun balanced game. Also, requesting a nova sword in the same reply saying that there needs to be fewer guns? I detect silliness. 1: logi's are horrible with shotties, same for commandos, even as a sidearm (a actual sidearm will do you better). Again, argument is invalid. 2: Asking for something then using another game that preforms and behaves different from another is silly, so invalid. 3: No, i'm a realist, and look at it from all angles rather than just saying bring random in. If you did that, imbalance would occur, and things would end up being removed. Assumptions are bad. 4: Borderlands 2 is also PVE only, so you can't tell if something's OP or not unless the game is super *** easy or super *** hard, and that could be the dev's decision, so pointless o even to go off of, so invalid Care to go on this useless ask for useless **? 'lights cigar' fuck with me, and I'll melt your face off. Gallente forever! Blup Blub Bloop. Translation: Die -_-
Summ Dude Direct Action Resources 261	Posted - 2014.03.05 07:47:00 - [19] - Quote Kilo Shells wrote: To be fair you should make a Galente sniper rifle ;) cough cough and cough cough Not just a laymen, but the laymen. Winn Summ and lose Summ.
Spectral Clone Dust2Dust. Top Men. 1488	Posted - 2014.03.05 09:49:00 - [20] - Quote I wants this, I needs this. My precious. Drop it like its hat.

jaksol returns highland marines IMMORTAL REGIME 9	Posted - 2014.03.05 11:03:00 - [21] - Quote Hynox Xitio wrote: Also feel free to ask any questions/critique as you please. Any changes I make based on your suggestion will totally be credited to you. I am sorry to say this but I don't need a another uber-ranged weapon courtesy of Caldari Trolls Inc. what your proposing whould make scouts a more formidable foe and I love that but cant you see it? my minds filled with assaualt and heavy suits using this (shudders) a shotgun does not need more range unlees your willing to make the shot weaker like say the range in 30% greater then shotgun? then make damage 30% no offence just my 2 cents Bunny hoping stair heavy?!? THE END IS NEAR!!!!
Racro 01 Arifistan 501st Knights of Leanbox INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 185	Posted - 2014.03.05 11:05:00 - [22] - Quote to me it looks like a railfile................i think this is coincidence.
Hynox Xitio Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 319	Posted - 2014.03.05 12:16:00 - [23] - Quote Racro 01 Arifistan wrote: to me it looks like a railfile................i think this is coincidence. I made the stock and hanguard identical to give it more of a standard Caldari look. Hynox Xitio // Patron Saint of Fogwogglers // Master Heavy
Hynox Xitio Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 319	Posted - 2014.03.05 12:22:00 - [24] - Quote Godin Thekiller wrote: 1: logi's are horrible with shotties, same for commandos, even as a sidearm (a actual sidearm will do you better). Again, argument is invalid. 2: Asking for something then using another game that preforms and behaves different from another is silly, so invalid. 3: No, i'm a realist, and look at it from all angles rather than just saying bring random ** in. If you did that, imbalance would occur, and things would end up being removed. Assumptions are bad. 4: Borderlands 2 is also PVE only, so you can't tell if something's OP or not unless the game is super *** easy or super *** hard, and that could be the dev's decision, so pointless o even to go off of, so invalid Care to go on this useless ask for useless **? I can tell I'm arguing against a brick wall of nonconstructive criticism here, I'll just take a look at a possible charging time, and you can go back to demanding an obscure nova sword. :D Hynox Xitio // Patron Saint of Fogwogglers // Master Heavy
Tebu Gan Dem Durrty Boyz Renegade Alliance 640	Posted - 2014.03.05 13:03:00 - [25] - Quote I like, though if it is a range weapon, it needs to do lesser damage, or have some sort of limiter to damage. I could very well see this becoming the next rail rifle. Think about it though, low spread = max damage, coupled with range, making it a very accurate, long range shotgun, that deals some serious damage. Your idea about limiting the shots with heat build up does help bring it closer to balanced. I think another way to go about it would be to take the current rail rifle for an example. But rather than needing an initial spool up before it unleashes hell, I would suggest it spools up on each shot. 1 second spool up time before EACH shot. THEN reduce the max ammo capacity to reflect more it's strength. As you said it's not a spray and pray. Therefore it does not need a large ammo capacity at all. 4 shots, plus what's added for skills is all. That's my two isks Tanks - Balancing Turrets
Hynox Xitio Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 326	Posted - 2014.03.05 17:20:00 - [26] - Quote Tebu Gan wrote: I like, though if it is a range weapon, it needs to do lesser damage, or have some sort of limiter to damage. I could very well see this becoming the next rail rifle. Think about it though, low spread = max damage, coupled with range, making it a very accurate, long range shotgun, that deals some serious damage. Your idea about limiting the shots with heat build up does help bring it closer to balanced. I think another way to go about it would be to take the current rail rifle for an example. But rather than needing an initial spool up before it unleashes hell, I would suggest it spools up on each shot. 1 second spool up time before EACH shot. THEN reduce the max ammo capacity to reflect more it's strength. As you said it's not a spray and pray. Therefore it does not need a large ammo capacity at all. 4 shots, plus what's added for skills is all. That's my two isks Like I said, I'm no balancing professional, I could see the Ishy assault having less ammo for sure, but as for the possible charge, I think lowering the RoF on all models would suffice. Hynox Xitio // Patron Saint of Fogwogglers // Master Heavy
Kilo Shells G.L.O.R.Y 36	Posted - 2014.03.05 18:16:00 - [27] - Quote Summ Dude wrote: Kilo Shells wrote: To be fair you should make a Galente sniper rifle ;) cough cough and cough cough Then I give the caldari shotgun the go ahead:) True Caldari Assault forget to tell you, I left some remotes on your tank....
Hynox Xitio Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 327	Posted - 2014.03.05 20:45:00 - [28] - Quote Kilo Shells wrote: Then I give the caldari shotgun the go ahead:) Edit: if CCP where to take this idea (which I find is a great one) then they would probably take mostly the designt and the functionality, then do whatever they do for balancing (I think they roll dice or something lol) but by numbers alone we can't figure much out. So Kilo says just enjoy the lore guys. Thanks man, also yeah keep in mind I'm barely even bothering to give it numerical statistics because CCP would play Russian roulette with the stats anyway. Hynox Xitio // Patron Saint of Fogwogglers // Master Heavy
Hynox Xitio Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 334	Posted - 2014.03.05 22:59:00 - [29] - Quote Edit: I've reduced the RPM and magazine capacity on the weapon in an attempt to make it less spammy, also I've added a 0.4 second charge up time between when the trigger is pulled and when the weapon fires. Hopefully these changes would make it more of a skill-based gun that encourages accuracy and designated fire. Be sure to post any constructive criticism or ideas you have, thanks. Hynox Xitio // Patron Saint of Fogwogglers // Master Heavy
Godin Thekiller OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 1830	Posted - 2014.03.05 23:40:00 - [30] - Quote Hynox Xitio wrote: Godin Thekiller wrote: 1: logi's are horrible with shotties, same for commandos, even as a sidearm (a actual sidearm will do you better). Again, argument is invalid. 2: Asking for something then using another game that preforms and behaves different from another is silly, so invalid. 3: No, i'm a realist, and look at it from all angles rather than just saying bring random ** in. If you did that, imbalance would occur, and things would end up being removed. Assumptions are bad. 4: Borderlands 2 is also PVE only, so you can't tell if something's OP or not unless the game is super *** easy or super *** hard, and that could be the dev's decision, so pointless o even to go off of, so invalid Care to go on this useless ask for useless ? I can tell I'm arguing against a brick wall of nonconstructive criticism here, I'll just take a look at a possible charging time, and you can go back to demanding an obscure nova sword. :D 1: Not demanding anything. you just hate real life. Grow up and deal with it. 2: Not demanding **. All I'm saying is that this is not only pointless but broken as hell, and the nova sword would do better. 'lights cigar' fuck with me, and I'll melt your face off. Gallente forever! Blup Blub Bloop. Translation: Die -_-



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