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Hynox Xitio
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.03.05 00:49:00 -
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Hey guys I did some concept art and specs for a cool Caldari weapon I thought of the other day, have a look!
ding!
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Hynox Xitio
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.03.05 01:07:00 -
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Also feel free to ask any questions/critique as you please. Any changes I make based on your suggestion will totally be credited to you.
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Hynox Xitio
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Posted - 2014.03.05 02:19:00 -
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Terry Webber wrote:I love the concept but I think the name is misleading. Maybe change it to something that involves the word shotgun.
I honest to god tried man, but I can't bring myself to give it such a generic name.
Plus on a more serious note, I used the word "hive" because like the nanohive, it's made by the Caldari and is used as a team support item, so it's not THAT outlandish. Only the Nanohive dispenses ammo to allies and the Aether hive dispenses ammo to the enemy (at very high speeds.)
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Hynox Xitio
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Posted - 2014.03.05 02:55:00 -
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Godin Thekiller wrote:There is no point to have another shotgun, and how this sounds, it confirms why there's no point.
Give Caldari a Nova Sword with a charge slash (as in charge it, and a slash flies toward the enemy).
I gave a pretty clear cut role in my document, also just because a weapon doesn't have a definitive purpose in the game doesn't mean it has no place in the game. If that were true, half the shooters out there would have a grand total of 7 guns. :D
Also sorry but dare I say that you saying it could be replaced with a melee weapon implies that you misunderstood the weapon role.)
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Hynox Xitio
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.03.05 03:03:00 -
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Heathen Bastard wrote:Heh, you draw designs like I do.(question mark?)
I like it! Been really hoping they implement a caldari shotgun for a while now.
The question marks make me sound super incompetent/unsure which is great.
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Hynox Xitio
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.03.05 03:29:00 -
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Godin Thekiller wrote:
Mass driver is meant for Area suppression. Doesn't mean that it is really good for using as a shotgun. Also, shotguns are, never were for, and never will be for suppression. so that argument is invalid. Also, adding **** just to is pointless unless it's the exact same as another (which at that point it's just a skin with stats), and in these games, everything does have a purpose, so that argument is invalid. Lastly, going back to my first point, a shotgun is a shotgun. the role doesn't change at all; a CQ weapon with very high alpha. Huh, is't that what I just said? Nova sword with a charge slash? I don't think you understand what you're asking for yourself, nor is thinking about the balance side of things.
When I say team support I'm thinking more along the lines of a logi's gun or a backup for a commando, and even then to say shotguns cannot be support guns is a bit concerning, have you ever played Battlefield or TF2? The shotguns in those games are incredibly weighted towards team support, and lack the stopping power to make them viable primaries in large engagements (Although shotguns in BF can be very potent.)
As for the alleged pointlessness of adding guns that doesn't have a rock-solid role to fit in the game, don't you feel like thats a rather closed-minded and elitist statement? I mean, assuming all the guns are balanced, the more weapons there are, the more experimentation you can have, and the less you have to sacrifice to find you "perfect gun." A perfect example of this is Borderlands 2, you can have millions of guns and still have a fun balanced game.
Also, requesting a nova sword in the same reply saying that there needs to be fewer guns?
I detect silliness.
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Hynox Xitio
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.03.05 03:33:00 -
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General12912 wrote:no caldari shotguns. it doesnt even fit the lore. shotguns are close range/high damage. thats a gallentean thing...
Psst. Pssssssssst. It's a mid-range repeater/shotgun, not a close-range shottie. :)
Shotguns have some nuts range IRL.
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Hynox Xitio
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.03.05 03:54:00 -
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General12912 wrote: i realise shotties have crazy range irl. but this isnt irl.
i guess if its a mid range repeater, i may have some caldari charcteristics to it. bu dont you guys have too many weapons already? by 1.8, you are already goig to have more sidearms than minmatar, who are supposed to be the sidearm masters. dont believe me? their loyalty store only has sidearm damage mods. and the smg is argueably the best sidearm out there.
Wait I can't make concept art if there's too many Caldari weapons?
In all seriousness though, we could use some new weapons on all sides. Also the Aether Hive would be a primarily weapon for sure, and perhaps it would suffer in movement speed.
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Hynox Xitio
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.03.05 12:16:00 -
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Racro 01 Arifistan wrote:to me it looks like a railfile................i think this is coincidence. I made the stock and hanguard identical to give it more of a standard Caldari look.
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Hynox Xitio
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.03.05 12:22:00 -
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Godin Thekiller wrote:
1: logi's are horrible with shotties, same for commandos, even as a sidearm (a actual sidearm will do you better). Again, argument is invalid.
2: Asking for something then using another game that preforms and behaves different from another is silly, so invalid.
3: No, i'm a realist, and look at it from all angles rather than just saying bring random **** in. If you did that, imbalance would occur, and things would end up being removed. Assumptions are bad.
4: Borderlands 2 is also PVE only, so you can't tell if something's OP or not unless the game is super ******* easy or super ******* hard, and that could be the dev's decision, so pointless o even to go off of, so invalid
Care to go on this useless ask for useless ****?
I can tell I'm arguing against a brick wall of nonconstructive criticism here, I'll just take a look at a possible charging time, and you can go back to demanding an obscure nova sword. :D
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Hynox Xitio
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Posted - 2014.03.05 17:20:00 -
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Tebu Gan wrote:I like, though if it is a range weapon, it needs to do lesser damage, or have some sort of limiter to damage. I could very well see this becoming the next rail rifle.
Think about it though, low spread = max damage, coupled with range, making it a very accurate, long range shotgun, that deals some serious damage. Your idea about limiting the shots with heat build up does help bring it closer to balanced.
I think another way to go about it would be to take the current rail rifle for an example. But rather than needing an initial spool up before it unleashes hell, I would suggest it spools up on each shot.
1 second spool up time before EACH shot. THEN reduce the max ammo capacity to reflect more it's strength. As you said it's not a spray and pray. Therefore it does not need a large ammo capacity at all. 4 shots, plus what's added for skills is all.
That's my two isks
Like I said, I'm no balancing professional, I could see the Ishy assault having less ammo for sure, but as for the possible charge, I think lowering the RoF on all models would suffice.
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Hynox Xitio
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.03.05 20:45:00 -
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Kilo Shells wrote:
Then I give the caldari shotgun the go ahead:)
Edit: if CCP where to take this idea (which I find is a great one) then they would probably take mostly the designt and the functionality, then do whatever they do for balancing (I think they roll dice or something lol) but by numbers alone we can't figure much out. So Kilo says just enjoy the lore guys.
Thanks man, also yeah keep in mind I'm barely even bothering to give it numerical statistics because CCP would play Russian roulette with the stats anyway.
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Hynox Xitio
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Posted - 2014.03.05 22:59:00 -
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Edit: I've reduced the RPM and magazine capacity on the weapon in an attempt to make it less spammy, also I've added a 0.4 second charge up time between when the trigger is pulled and when the weapon fires. Hopefully these changes would make it more of a skill-based gun that encourages accuracy and designated fire. Be sure to post any constructive criticism or ideas you have, thanks.
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Hynox Xitio
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.03.05 23:55:00 -
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Godin Thekiller wrote: Care to go on this useless ask for useless ****?
I appreciate input from anyone and everyone, but blatantly throwing around insults and not actually giving any advice for improvements/changes isn't the way to go about making your feedback valid. :P
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Hynox Xitio
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.03.06 00:22:00 -
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Where you the one who drew that Neutron Rifle? Very impressive work! If you'd like I could draw some more concept art (though my computer drawing-skills suck.)
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Hynox Xitio
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.03.06 20:48:00 -
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Draco Cerberus wrote:OP, some great ideas in the design of your weapon, looks like something more geared towards support roles than the MD and would definitely fit in on the battlefield. To all the naysayers in here I implore you to consider that the current shotgun is not really a great support weapon in the wide open space between points of cover most of the time and having a weapon to fit that role of cover fire suppression without killing the teammates you are covering or yourself when misfired (FW/PC) would be great. The biggest issue I have with the MD atm is the rather limited ammo which means you are not support but rather need to support yourself (hives) which by itself seems ok until you look at the fact that a squad that moves needs more nanohives, more ammo and when you are out of ammo you are totally boned (logibro talking)
See, I'm at a weird middle ground here, where I want to give it a smaller magazine to encourage longer range play, as is typical of Caldari weapons, but I also wanna give it a larger mag to allow for it to be more a team support gun.
THERES SO MANY CHOICES.
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Hynox Xitio
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.03.07 02:05:00 -
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Also my main concern right now is whether the charge up time of 0.4 seconds should be altered, I think people have proven that the weapon does need a charge time, and I agree, however I'd appreciate any educated advice from shotgun users on what a decent charge time WOULD be
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Hynox Xitio
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.03.07 12:18:00 -
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Kilo Shells wrote:Today I killed 4 mediums in a row with 4 shots.....with a scrambler pistol. This was an extreme. Luck, but let's call it skill for my example.
Today I also missed 11 shots shooting at still heavy Another extreme. Due to a complete lack of skill
I think the key to balancing is to keep both extremes in check. The best example being the flaylock. Any noob could use it originally, then the nerf hit and even the best players couldn't use it.
Sorry to go on so long, but I forgot how I wanted to end this sentence;) Yeah it's a bit of a pain trying to find the line between a skill gun and something thats so hard to hit things with it's about as effective as throwing shovels at people
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Hynox Xitio
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Posted - 2014.03.07 19:58:00 -
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Awry Barux wrote:Me likey. Numbers and balance are up to the devs, but rail-tech shotgun with half-decent range = yes, very yes, much want, wow.
Yeah like I said, I would have made the standard version solid slug, but the added spread of the 9-Rod projectile prevents it from becoming just another long range spammer, with this you actually gotta get more up close and personal than the other Caldari weapons.
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Hynox Xitio
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Posted - 2014.03.08 18:51:00 -
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Kilo Shells wrote:Hynox Xitio wrote:effective as throwing shovels at people You sir just invented the next minmatar sidearm;)
I always loved the concept of using the following as Minmatar melee weapons
A flash drive A Prison Shiv A screwdriver A large pair of rusty scissors and the ol' BF3 box-cutter.
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Hynox Xitio
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.03.08 21:58:00 -
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Kilo Shells wrote: Phillips or Robertson?
Reminds me of BF 1983 I think? Anyway each class had its own melee weapon, the engineer had a wrench. Add rust and it's minmatar
Neither, slot. Also you just reminded me, my inner Bioshock fanboy wants a wrench melee weapon.
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Hynox Xitio
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.03.09 03:07:00 -
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Killar-12 wrote:I like this, well not the name but I like the Idea of a Cal Shotty.
> All other Caldari Weapons are called "Sniper Rifle" or "Rail Rifle" > Original names? NUH UH
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Hynox Xitio
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Posted - 2014.03.09 16:20:00 -
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Man now I'm just fixated on improvised Minmatar melee weapons, thanks y'all.
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Hynox Xitio
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Posted - 2014.03.12 19:46:00 -
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EDIT: Aether Hive Breach Variant could possibly be replaced with airburst rounds or AV rounds instead of just flux. They would need to be balanced of course, but in theory this gun could be the XM25 of Dust essentially
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Hynox Xitio
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Posted - 2014.03.20 01:57:00 -
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Now you can ride a Caldari Triceratops while using the Aether Hive: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=149015&find=unread
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