DUST Search - 1.8 Caldari Sentinel and Flux Grenades

J4yne C0bb wrote:

Kigurosaka Laaksonen wrote:

J4yne C0bb wrote:

talks a lot about 1 second shield recharge delay

I talked a lot about the 1 second delay, in relation to forge sniping. Where you are unlikely to get fluxed. Which, admittedly, is tangental from the topic at hand.

Kigurosaka Laaksonen wrote:

Some stuff about shield recharge vs. shield delay, and how this may lead to boning

Good point -- I neglected to take into account both those numbers. And no, it doesn't mean you are boned. It means you are forge sniping badly: either not using cover correctly, or from the wrong location, or with no repping hives for your armor so you are relatively self-sustained.

What's nice is that these stats are still great, compared to the 7 recharge/ 10 depleted currently, and even the 4/6 stat of the Min Sentinel. If forge snipers make a point to get in cover before shields are depleted, it would allow for a quicker return from cover and back to blasting vehicles into tiny chunks. And even if you are depleted, the depletion stat is 6 seconds quicker than we have now. Sounds like I'll be the one giving those tankers the high hard one in 1.8. Awesome!

Kigurosaka Laaksonen wrote:

If I was forging I might use 3x complex heavy damage mods and a breach forge.

I wouldn't think the breach forge to be a good paring with the CalSent suit. Breach forges, while powerful, make the forger a fat, immobile target for 5 to 6 seconds. You are generally only good for one shot before the enemy finds you, and you can't adjust your position if the target goes slightly out of view. I think a Kaalakiota plus damage mods would be better -- this would allow a merc to hold the charge while moving into cover, recharge shields quickly, and move back out. Pretty sweet setup.

These forums must be located in the Californin country side, there is whine as far as the eye can see.

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Toby Flenderson research lab 319	Posted - 2014.03.03 20:21:00 - [31] - Quote MINA Longstrike wrote: ALT2 acc wrote: MINA Longstrike wrote: Beck Weathers wrote: Ahem it has a 1 second depleated shield recharge delay. That is all And with 2 cplx energizers (which it more than has room to fit) it pulls back shields at 80hp/s 1 sec after being fluxed or 4s after taking regular damage. Gets better with a regulator too. Its actually 65 hp/s with 2 complex, skills btw 30 * (96 1.15) ((96 1.15) .87) = 80.18 I don't think they stack multiplicatively...
ALT2 acc 217	Posted - 2014.03.03 20:23:00 - [32] - Quote Toby Flenderson wrote: MINA Longstrike wrote: ALT2 acc wrote: MINA Longstrike wrote: Beck Weathers wrote: Ahem it has a 1 second depleated shield recharge delay. That is all And with 2 cplx energizers (which it more than has room to fit) it pulls back shields at 80hp/s 1 sec after being fluxed or 4s after taking regular damage. Gets better with a regulator too. Its actually 65 hp/s with 2 complex, skills btw 30 * (96 1.15) ((96 1.15) .87) = 80.18 I don't think they stack multiplicatively... 30 hp/s 60% of 30=18 I think + another 18= 66 Trolling proficiency 5
MINA Longstrike 2Shitz 1Giggle United Brotherhood Alliance 337	Posted - 2014.03.03 20:28:00 - [33] - Quote Toby Flenderson wrote: MINA Longstrike wrote: ALT2 acc wrote: MINA Longstrike wrote: Beck Weathers wrote: Ahem it has a 1 second depleated shield recharge delay. That is all And with 2 cplx energizers (which it more than has room to fit) it pulls back shields at 80hp/s 1 sec after being fluxed or 4s after taking regular damage. Gets better with a regulator too. Its actually 65 hp/s with 2 complex, skills btw 30 * (96 1.15) ((96 1.15) .87) = 80.18 I don't think they stack multiplicatively... You might be surprised, range amps do, cardiac regs do, there's a reason why there's a stacking penalty on percentile things.
MINA Longstrike 2Shitz 1Giggle United Brotherhood Alliance 337	Posted - 2014.03.03 20:34:00 - [34] - Quote ALT2 acc wrote: Toby Flenderson wrote: MINA Longstrike wrote: ALT2 acc wrote: MINA Longstrike wrote: And with 2 cplx energizers (which it more than has room to fit) it pulls back shields at 80hp/s 1 sec after being fluxed or 4s after taking regular damage. Gets better with a regulator too. Its actually 65 hp/s with 2 complex, skills btw 30 * (96 1.15) ((96 1.15) .87) = 80.18 I don't think they stack multiplicatively... 30 hp/s 60% of 30=18 I think + another 18= 66 Energizers, not rechargers and your math is wrong anyways because after first module you have a new total to calculate off of and you missed the stacking penalty
ALT2 acc 219	Posted - 2014.03.03 20:41:00 - [35] - Quote MINA Longstrike wrote: Toby Flenderson wrote: MINA Longstrike wrote: ALT2 acc wrote: MINA Longstrike wrote: And with 2 cplx energizers (which it more than has room to fit) it pulls back shields at 80hp/s 1 sec after being fluxed or 4s after taking regular damage. Gets better with a regulator too. 30 * (96 1.15) ((96 1.15) .87) = 80.18 I don't think they stack multiplicatively... 30 hp/s 60% of 30=18 I think + another 18= 66 Energizers, not rechargers and your math is wrong anyways because after first module you have a new total to calculate off of and you missed the stacking penalty Okay its 64 or 62, its 18 plus 16 or 14, idrc Trolling proficiency 5
CommanderBolt ACME SPECIAL FORCES RISE of LEGION 918	Posted - 2014.03.03 20:51:00 - [36] - Quote Guys, dont be looking at the Caldari sentinel as a replacement or even an equal to the Amarr and Gallente sentinels. It is going to be the forge daddy. If you get caught up close by a flux then you have that 1 sec recharge and you can slowly build back up the shield. However the true nature of Caldari might is for us to be far away from the hot zone, projecting damage at incredible ranges. The Forge Daddy will be around to smash tanks and blap infantry with forge guns. Hey you never know it might be ok with a HMG but I would imagine Caldari sentinels will be rocking forge guns. Join our public channel - ACME SPECIAL FORCES PUB For the STATE!
ALT2 acc 222	Posted - 2014.03.03 20:52:00 - [37] - Quote CommanderBolt wrote: Guys, dont be looking at the Caldari sentinel as a replacement or even an equal to the Amarr and Gallente sentinels. It is going to be the forge daddy. If you get caught up close by a flux then you have that 1 sec recharge and you can slowly build back up the shield. However the true nature of Caldari might is for us to be far away from the hot zone, projecting damage at incredible ranges. The Forge Daddy will be around to smash tanks and blap infantry with forge guns. Hey you never know it might be ok with a HMG but I would imagine Caldari sentinels will be rocking forge guns. Im using mine for (heavy)assault, literally... Trolling proficiency 5
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 10336	Posted - 2014.03.03 20:56:00 - [38] - Quote ALT2 acc wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: ALT2 acc wrote: Llast 326 wrote: Out of curiosity Would a stacking penalty apply to Energizers and regulators together? They are separate This is incorrect. Wtf, they do not have the same thing, 1 will not make the other worse. My mistake - I thought he referred to rechargers and energizers. Of course regulators and energizers don't have stacking penalties. You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake.
Sana Rayya WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL Top Men. 910	Posted - 2014.03.03 20:59:00 - [39] - Quote I think four complex shield energizers will give the Cal Sentinel 126 HP/sec regen. I'm not sure what kind of hit it'd take HP-wise though.
ALT2 acc 231	Posted - 2014.03.03 21:02:00 - [40] - Quote Sana Rayya wrote: I think four complex shield energizers will give the Cal Sentinel 130 HP/sec regen. I'm not sure what kind of hit it'd take HP-wise though. 3 should be the max though... Trolling proficiency 5

NextDark Knight Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 238	Posted - 2014.03.03 21:30:00 - [41] - Quote It's missing a few things to be a effective Forge suit.. Sigh... Forge Changes needed Officer Splash 3.0, Proto 2.7 Advanced 2.5 Standard 2.1. Original ROF needs to return!
Logi Bro Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic 2967	Posted - 2014.03.03 21:38:00 - [42] - Quote I can actually see Caldari having the best lone wolf sentinel suit. Just fill all high slots with rechargers/energizers, use the low for a repper, and you've got yourself an amazingly high sustain badass suit. I'm not sure why so many people are underestimating it. H M G
Ronan Elsword Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 200	Posted - 2014.03.03 21:44:00 - [43] - Quote Logi Bro wrote: I can actually see Caldari having the best lone wolf sentinel suit. Just fill all high slots with rechargers/energizers, use the low for a repper, and you've got yourself an amazingly high sustain badass suit. I'm not sure why so many people are underestimating it. Shhh your giving them ideas... *"War doesn't determine who is right, only who is left."*
Seigfried Warheit Caught Me With My Pants Down 219	Posted - 2014.03.03 22:14:00 - [44] - Quote Beck Weathers wrote: Ahem it has a 1 second depleated shield recharge delay. That is all Thats not gonna help when getting shot....which usually comes after being fluxed
Texs Red DUST University Ivy League 269	Posted - 2014.03.03 22:19:00 - [45] - Quote CommanderBolt wrote: Guys, dont be looking at the Caldari sentinel as a replacement or even an equal to the Amarr and Gallente sentinels. It is going to be the forge daddy. If you get caught up close by a flux then you have that 1 sec recharge and you can slowly build back up the shield. However the true nature of Caldari might is for us to be far away from the hot zone, projecting damage at incredible ranges. The Forge Daddy will be around to smash tanks and blap infantry with forge guns. Hey you never know it might be ok with a HMG but I would imagine Caldari sentinels will be rocking forge guns. I think this is an excellent statement. The Caldari are long range fighters, this is why they have railguns, rail rifles, and forge guns. They are supposed to be disadvantaged when in CQC with a Gallente brawler, if you don't like it then stay far away where your weapons are supposed to be.
mollerz 2551	Posted - 2014.03.03 22:21:00 - [46] - Quote Smooth Assassin wrote: They're AV + AE (Anti Equipment) They are basically the flashbangs of dust. You gotta hustle if you wanna make a dolla
J4yne C0bb Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 242	Posted - 2014.03.03 22:40:00 - [47] - Quote CommanderBolt wrote: Guys, dont be looking at the Caldari sentinel as a replacement or even an equal to the Amarr and Gallente sentinels. It is going to be the forge daddy. If you get caught up close by a flux then you have that 1 sec recharge and you can slowly build back up the shield. However the true nature of Caldari might is for us to be far away from the hot zone, projecting damage at incredible ranges. The Forge Daddy will be around to smash tanks and blap infantry with forge guns. Hey you never know it might be ok with a HMG but I would imagine Caldari sentinels will be rocking forge guns. That 1 second delay on the Cal Sentinel makes this an extremely attractive suit for forge sniping. The biggest thread to a forge sniper is enemy snipers -- if you are up on a high tower, you are constant sniper bait once they get a bead on you. A Cal Sentinel suit seems perfect for this. When you forge snipe, there is a continuous dance you do with the enemy snipers: 1) I take some shots from the edge of the tower/roof. 2) Enemy sniper finds me. 3) I sit there and tank his bullets while I'm blapping targets. 4) Enemy sniper has to reload (I can usually tell because of the pause in getting hit). 5) I go back into cover to rep to full. 6) Repeat until the enemy team gets pissed off and I get OB'd. It would be interesting to see the math on sniper damage output over time, for say 2 clips including their reload speed, versus the Cal Sentinels 1 second recharge delay. Not sure if I'd be able to stay exposed all the time, but seems like it would allow me to get back into action much faster. Min Logi \| aka Punch R0ckgroin, Fatsuit
ZDub 303 TeamPlayers Negative-Feedback 2298	Posted - 2014.03.03 22:43:00 - [48] - Quote Do energizers still have the hp penalty? IIRC at complex it was -6%hp back in 1.3... At that rate it would be hitting you at ~36hp per energizer... stacking 3 of them would put you at around -110 shields... ouch. Er... well I guess -80 to 90 or so after stacking penalties... still ouch.
ResistanceGTA D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 323	Posted - 2014.03.03 23:23:00 - [49] - Quote On your debate about the shield recharge using 2 Energizers, the discussion is quite flawed. My buddy with the proper skills is unavailable, but, the rate greatly in excess of your numbers. On a Gal Logi, I placed two enhanced (Aurum, mind you) energizers. That took my shield recharge from 15 to 31.14. And that's with only level two in energizers. You have to account for the skill bonus. And, screw it, I'm gonna need them come 1.8, so, shield recharging V. My Gal Logi went from 15 base recharge to 40.55. That's 2.7 times the shield recharge. Taking the 30 recharge the heavy has, you're looking at basically 81.1 a second. Which, is pretty nice. One extender will cover the lost HP also. xSivartx is my Heavy. There are many like him, but he is my own... So, other Logi's back off, those are my Warpoints!
Kigurosaka Laaksonen DUST University Ivy League 467	Posted - 2014.03.04 00:33:00 - [50] - Quote Logi Bro wrote: Just fill all high slots with rechargers/energizers... I'm not sure why so many people are underestimating it. I'm not underestimating it. I'm saying with 1.8 bringing on the full line up of dedicated shield tanking Caldari suits, any random stooge with a STD Flux can completely wipe out the Caldari's toughest tank. As far as filling the highs, for the sake of argument, we'll use a proto CalSent with 4 highs. 2 Rechargers and 2 Energizers will all four be stacking penalized as they all effect the same stat; Shield Recharge Rate. The 4th Recharger will be basically useless. J4yne C0bb wrote: talks a lot about 1 second shield recharge delay The 1 second number that people keep throwing around is the *DEPLETED* shield recharge delay. Your shields have to be completely gone for that stat to take effect. And if that happens, chances are good they've chipped into your armor a bit (or will start to soon if they fluxed you.) If someone shoots you, dies, and you're at 500 or whatever shields, the delay is *4 SECONDS. If you're messing with enemy snipers and you get to you depleted shield recharge, that means they're in your armor, and you're probably boned. ZDub 303 wrote:* Do energizers still have the hp penalty? Yes, the Complex Energizer gives a 60% bonus to shield recharge rate and a 6% penalty to shield hp. Stacking penalties also apply to negative stat modifiers, like the 6% shield penalty. I'll probably aim for something like 2x Heavy Weapon Damage Mod, 2x Complex Shield Energizer, and a Complex Shield Regulator. I might sub out a damage mod for a complex shield extender to cover the loss of shield HP. Or if I'm satisfied with the recharge rate I get from two complex rechargers, I'd use those. I'd also consider swapping out the heavy mods for light mods depending on the engagement. Yeah. Heavy suits with light weapons will be huge in 1.8 because there will be tons of heavy suit options and the same old heavy weapon options. If I was forging I might use 3x complex heavy damage mods and a breach forge. DUST 514 Recruit Code - https://dust514.com/recruit/zluCyb/ EVE Buddy Invite - Too damn long. Ask me for it.

J4yne C0bb Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 244	Posted - 2014.03.04 02:22:00 - [51] - Quote Kigurosaka Laaksonen wrote: J4yne C0bb wrote: talks a lot about 1 second shield recharge delay I talked a lot about the 1 second delay, in relation to forge sniping. Where you are unlikely to get fluxed. Which, admittedly, is tangental from the topic at hand. Kigurosaka Laaksonen wrote: Some stuff about shield recharge vs. shield delay, and how this may lead to boning Good point -- I neglected to take into account both those numbers. And no, it doesn't mean you are boned. It means you are forge sniping badly: either not using cover correctly, or from the wrong location, or with no repping hives for your armor so you are relatively self-sustained. What's nice is that these stats are still great, compared to the 7 recharge/ 10 depleted currently, and even the 4/6 stat of the Min Sentinel. If forge snipers make a point to get in cover before shields are depleted, it would allow for a quicker return from cover and back to blasting vehicles into tiny chunks. And even if you are depleted, the depletion stat is 6 seconds quicker than we have now. Sounds like I'll be the one giving those tankers the high hard one in 1.8. Awesome! Kigurosaka Laaksonen wrote: If I was forging I might use 3x complex heavy damage mods and a breach forge. I wouldn't think the breach forge to be a good paring with the CalSent suit. Breach forges, while powerful, make the forger a fat, immobile target for 5 to 6 seconds. You are generally only good for one shot before the enemy finds you, and you can't adjust your position if the target goes slightly out of view. I think a Kaalakiota plus damage mods would be better -- this would allow a merc to hold the charge while moving into cover, recharge shields quickly, and move back out. Pretty sweet setup. Min Logi \| aka Punch R0ckgroin, Fatsuit
MINA Longstrike 2Shitz 1Giggle United Brotherhood Alliance 340	Posted - 2014.03.04 04:07:00 - [52] - Quote Sorry, not sure where I pulled the 96% from earlier, I was away from my console but the way it breaks down is: 30 * mod1 (which in this case is 60% * skill bonus - lets go with 15% * check for stacking penalty) * mod2 [through to five if applicable and enough slots] So we get 30 * (60% * 1.15) * [(60 * 1.15) * .87] = 81.12 hp/s recharge.
Beck Weathers Ghosts of Dawn General Tso's Alliance 617	Posted - 2014.03.04 04:32:00 - [53] - Quote J4yne C0bb wrote: Kigurosaka Laaksonen wrote: J4yne C0bb wrote: talks a lot about 1 second shield recharge delay I talked a lot about the 1 second delay, in relation to forge sniping. Where you are unlikely to get fluxed. Which, admittedly, is tangental from the topic at hand. Kigurosaka Laaksonen wrote: Some stuff about shield recharge vs. shield delay, and how this may lead to boning Good point -- I neglected to take into account both those numbers. And no, it doesn't mean you are boned. It means you are forge sniping badly: either not using cover correctly, or from the wrong location, or with no repping hives for your armor so you are relatively self-sustained. What's nice is that these stats are still great, compared to the 7 recharge/ 10 depleted currently, and even the 4/6 stat of the Min Sentinel. If forge snipers make a point to get in cover before shields are depleted, it would allow for a quicker return from cover and back to blasting vehicles into tiny chunks. And even if you are depleted, the depletion stat is 6 seconds quicker than we have now. Sounds like I'll be the one giving those tankers the high hard one in 1.8. Awesome! Kigurosaka Laaksonen wrote: If I was forging I might use 3x complex heavy damage mods and a breach forge. I wouldn't think the breach forge to be a good paring with the CalSent suit. Breach forges, while powerful, make the forger a fat, immobile target for 5 to 6 seconds. You are generally only good for one shot before the enemy finds you, and you can't adjust your position if the target goes slightly out of view. I think a Kaalakiota plus damage mods would be better -- this would allow a merc to hold the charge while moving into cover, recharge shields quickly, and move back out. Pretty sweet setup. Guess you never saw a breach heavy do the bunny hop These forums must be located in the Californin country side, there is whine as far as the eye can see.
Meeko Fent Kirkinen Risk Control Caldari State 1884	Posted - 2014.03.04 04:46:00 - [54] - Quote Cody Sietz wrote: Beck Weathers wrote: Ahem it has a 1 second depleted shield recharge delay. That is all This. Agreed. The CalHeavy will be THE heavy for Med Frame users hoping to grab a heavy suit to round their fitting list out with FG's and HMG's, or slow Light Weapon Usage. Also, fixed a typo. Because you Wanted to be Something your Not.
J4yne C0bb Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 245	Posted - 2014.03.04 05:28:00 - [55] - Quote Beck Weathers wrote: Guess you never saw a breach heavy do the bunny hop Actually... no. I had no idea you could do that. Is that actually effective? Min Logi \| aka Punch R0ckgroin, Fatsuit
Joel II X Dah Gods O Bacon 1413	Posted - 2014.03.04 05:29:00 - [56] - Quote Rogue Saint wrote: Kigurosaka Laaksonen wrote: With max skills and no mods, a CalSent will have 656 shield HP (rounded down, 525 base shield HP + 25% from Dropsuit Shield Upgrades, (5% Shield HP per level.)) Why you running without shield upgrades? That's what I want to know.
Asha Starwind VEXALATION CORPORATION Partners of Industrial Service and Salvage 440	Posted - 2014.03.04 06:53:00 - [57] - Quote vhvhv 32db Mad Bomber.
ads alt DROID EXILES General Tso's Alliance 0	Posted - 2014.03.04 07:58:00 - [58] - Quote What will be good on an adv su7t, 2 extenders and a energiser or 2 energisers and a extender...
MINA Longstrike 2Shitz 1Giggle United Brotherhood Alliance 340	Posted - 2014.03.04 08:29:00 - [59] - Quote Asha Starwind wrote: MINA Longstrike wrote: Sorry, not sure where I pulled the 96% from earlier, I was away from my console but the way it breaks down is: 30 * mod1 (which in this case is 60% * skill bonus - lets go with 15% * check for stacking penalty) * mod2 [through to five if applicable and enough slots] So we get 30 * (60% * 1.15) * [(60 * 1.15) * .87] = 81.12 hp/s recharge. 96 is the cpu cost, from the looks of it Yeah, that and 60 * 1.15 is 69, so a bit of dyslexia on my part.
Savage Mangler Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 62	Posted - 2014.03.13 15:29:00 - [60] - Quote J4yne C0bb wrote: Beck Weathers wrote: Guess you never saw a breach heavy do the bunny hop Actually... no. I had no idea you could do that. Is that actually effective? Very. Charge your breach, double hop out of cover, blap a tank, strafe back to cover, repeat. -YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED- "Good, then they'll know who killed them." Keep your knives sharp....and your wits sharper.



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