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WonLon Tong
Onikanabo Brigade
Caldari State
7
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Posted - 2014.02.28 21:28:00 -
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It's insulting to REAL scouts and logis using their class as an excuse to be bad. |
Skihids
Bullet Cluster
Legacy Rising
2944
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Posted - 2014.02.28 21:32:00 -
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WonLon Tong wrote:It's insulting to REAL scouts and logis using their class as an excuse to be bad.
I'm not "bad" even if I have a less than even KDR. My worth is not measured in KDR. That's a myopia suffered by the slayer class. |
Arkena Wyrnspire
Fatal Absolution
10175
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Posted - 2014.02.28 21:35:00 -
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I can think of a number of logis who are probably better than you ever will be who don't have a good KDR.
You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake.
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Leadfoot10
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
560
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Posted - 2014.02.28 21:37:00 -
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A good logi allows his teammates to seek kills, which typically results in a lower than usual KDR.
Like Arkena, I know a few of them that have very good gun games and can excel in the role, but they take their lumps for the good of the team, and I salute them for it!
And if you think it's easy to have a high KDR as a scout, and actually provide some value to your team, I would sure love to run with you and evaluate your skill. Because the best scouts I know (who are among the very best in this game), all struggle with KDR -- and they are anything but "bad". |
Onesimus Tarsus
1243
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Posted - 2014.02.28 21:40:00 -
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Having a low kdr in a scout suit does make you a scout, though.
I'm recruiting only the hardest hard-core-rers out there who are in here.
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mr musturd
0uter.Heaven
395
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Posted - 2014.02.28 21:43:00 -
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Screw kdr its all about that weekly win/loss |
ReGnYuM
Escrow Removal and Acquisition
2328
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Posted - 2014.02.28 21:43:00 -
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I use KDR as a very general Baseline for recruiting. As long as you're following and fulfilling the objectives outlined by your role, then your spread means nothing to me.
However, evidence has suggested 20 bombs and 30 bombs can strengthen morale, while demoralizing the enemy.
Official Imperfect Title: Supreme Leader of the Endless Sunset
I Slay, for thy Empress
Do you even PC... Brah
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Logi Stician
The Vanguardians
INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS
284
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Posted - 2014.02.28 21:45:00 -
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WonLon Tong wrote:It's insulting to REAL scouts and logis using their class as an excuse to be bad.
What's a KAY DEE ARR?
Is that some neat way of abbreviating KanDybaR?
And for your information, I have tried several times to kill reds at both close and medium range with my rep tool to no effect. It just doesn't do enough damage.
But for reals, I, personally, am a logi because I'm a bad shot. I don't need to be a good shot to Res Rep and Resupply my squad. I am getting better though. 
"...and I'm the seventh out of seven sons, my pappy was a pistol, I'm a son of a gun. "
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Zatara Rought
Fatal Absolution
2457
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Posted - 2014.02.28 21:45:00 -
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Leadfoot10 wrote:A good logi allows his teammates to seek kills, which typically results in a lower than usual KDR. Like Arkena, I know a few of them that have very good gun games and can excel in the role, but they take their lumps for the good of the team, and I salute them for it! And if you think it's easy to have a high KDR as a scout, and actually provide some value to your team, I would sure love to run with you and evaluate your skill. Because the best scouts I know (who are among the very best in this game), all struggle with KDR -- and they are anything but "bad". As for me, I'm a slayer logi who has no real excuse for his less-than-stellar KDR -- except my complete lack of DS3 skill combined with poor MKB controls. 
Fusion Commander's weekly k/d is like 5-6.
CEO of FA
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INFINITE DIVERSITY IDIC
Intara Direct Action
Caldari State
408
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Posted - 2014.02.28 21:46:00 -
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WonLon Tong wrote:It's insulting to REAL scouts and logis using their class as an excuse to be bad.
Having a high kdr doesnt make you not bad. Lots of scouts and logis have great kdr. |
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Godin Thekiller
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
1792
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Posted - 2014.02.28 21:49:00 -
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lol, this guy, trolling is not your area of expertise 
'lights cigar' fuck with me, and I'll melt your face off. Gallente forever!
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INFINITE DIVERSITY IDIC
Intara Direct Action
Caldari State
411
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Posted - 2014.02.28 21:49:00 -
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ReGnYuM wrote:I use KDR as a very general Baseline for recruiting. As long as you're following and fulfilling the objectives outlined by your role, then your spread means nothing to me.
However, evidence has suggested 20 bombs and 30 bombs can strengthen morale, while demoralizing the enemy.
This load of s h I t coming from a guy whos signature used to say " KDR>All" , pffffttt nub. Gg |
INFINITE DIVERSITY IDIC
Intara Direct Action
Caldari State
411
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Posted - 2014.02.28 21:51:00 -
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Zatara Rought wrote:Leadfoot10 wrote:A good logi allows his teammates to seek kills, which typically results in a lower than usual KDR. Like Arkena, I know a few of them that have very good gun games and can excel in the role, but they take their lumps for the good of the team, and I salute them for it! And if you think it's easy to have a high KDR as a scout, and actually provide some value to your team, I would sure love to run with you and evaluate your skill. Because the best scouts I know (who are among the very best in this game), all struggle with KDR -- and they are anything but "bad". As for me, I'm a slayer logi who has no real excuse for his less-than-stellar KDR -- except my complete lack of DS3 skill combined with poor MKB controls. Fusion Commander's weekly k/d is like 5-6.
And 3 out of that 5 or 6 is Cores to the face.....l |
Rynoceros
Rise Of Old Dudes
2905
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Posted - 2014.02.28 21:53:00 -
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Think your KDR says something?
Come at me.
Mine is a 1.18 because of how I choose to play, not because I don't know how to back myself into a dark corner near an objective and camp out, proto'd out, while my team loses.
I drag these sorry mother ******* to Victory. Uplinks, hacks, kills, pushing objectives - I put the team on my back.
***** ass pieces of **** worrying about KDR can eat a greasy bag of dicks. No hot sauce.
I GÖú Kittens.
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Zatara Rought
Fatal Absolution
2457
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Posted - 2014.02.28 21:53:00 -
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mr musturd wrote:Screw kdr its all about that weekly win/loss
maybe in PC...w/l is nothing when you run around in pubstomp squads or solo...basically anyone in pubs...when they come out with a stat that tracks CB win/loss (if they reintroduce it) along with PC w/l then that stat will be the end all be all.
CEO of FA
B3RT>PFBHz>TP>IMP>FA
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John Demonsbane
Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics
League of Infamy
2171
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Posted - 2014.02.28 21:54:00 -
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Whatever you say, OP. I guess Ill stop playing Dust now because I'm so useless, lol.
"The line between disorder and order lies in logistics" -Sun Tzu
Forum Warrior lv.2
Amarr victor!
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Lv2spd2
Slow And Old
220
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Posted - 2014.02.28 21:54:00 -
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Logi Stician wrote:
And for your information, I have tried several times to kill reds at both close and medium range with my rep tool to no effect. It just doesn't do enough damage.
I've gotten a couple of kills by meleeing people while holding my rep tool. Most notably a nova knifing scout this last weekend.
I can't think of anything in the game that would have been more embarassing than losing the heavy I was repping to a knifer while I was still alive.
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Fraceska
Sinq Laison Gendarmes
Gallente Federation
509
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Posted - 2014.02.28 21:55:00 -
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My K/D is not good sometimes I go 0/5+ but I'm in the top 3 for overall team points because I am supporting my team as a logi should. My MD is not something I go off and slay with but to deny the enemy of an area was squad is advancing on. Throwing down hives as needed and not spamming them is the mark of a true logi. Having a repper/injector is the mark of a true logi. K/D doesn't matter so long as the end of the match the team was supported to the best of my ability. |
Zatara Rought
Fatal Absolution
2457
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Posted - 2014.02.28 21:55:00 -
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INFINITE DIVERSITY IDIC wrote:Zatara Rought wrote:Leadfoot10 wrote:A good logi allows his teammates to seek kills, which typically results in a lower than usual KDR. Like Arkena, I know a few of them that have very good gun games and can excel in the role, but they take their lumps for the good of the team, and I salute them for it! And if you think it's easy to have a high KDR as a scout, and actually provide some value to your team, I would sure love to run with you and evaluate your skill. Because the best scouts I know (who are among the very best in this game), all struggle with KDR -- and they are anything but "bad". As for me, I'm a slayer logi who has no real excuse for his less-than-stellar KDR -- except my complete lack of DS3 skill combined with poor MKB controls. Fusion Commander's weekly k/d is like 5-6. And 3 out of that 5 or 6 is Cores to the face.....l
Good for him...if he's managing to use 50 cpu of his fit for that and sacrificing elsewhere when m1's are 20...props for being such a masternader. 
CEO of FA
B3RT>PFBHz>TP>IMP>FA
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John Demonsbane
Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics
League of Infamy
2171
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Posted - 2014.02.28 21:55:00 -
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Rynoceros wrote:Think your KDR says something?
Come at me.
Mine is a 1.18 because of how I choose to play, not because I don't know how to back myself into a dark corner near an objective and camp out while my team loses.
I drag these sorry mother ******* to Victory. Uplinks, hacks, kills, pushing objectives - I put the team on my back.
***** ass pieces of **** worrying about KDR can eat a greasy bag of dicks. No hot sauce.
No hot sauce? Sounds gross.
"The line between disorder and order lies in logistics" -Sun Tzu
Forum Warrior lv.2
Amarr victor!
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Turtle Hermit Roshi
D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N
D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
193
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Posted - 2014.02.28 21:55:00 -
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k/d is only a good measure for slayer assaults and heavies
wp area better in game stat for logis
scouts well ... scouts you just have to run with them to find out
... good luck catching up to them tho
Anything worth fighting for is worth fighting dirty for,
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Atiim
Kirkinen Risk Control
Caldari State
5153
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Posted - 2014.02.28 21:59:00 -
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WonLon Tong wrote:It's insulting to REAL scouts and logis using their class as an excuse to be bad.
Why not actually play as those roles properly, and see if it's as you presume.
K/D is so miniscule in this game when you have people who constantly boost and pad their stats, and if it did, why would a support based role revolve around K/D?
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Ronan Elsword
Dead Six Initiative
Lokun Listamenn
195
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Posted - 2014.02.28 22:02:00 -
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Well I originally ran Logi because it gives me more to do. Just slaying get's boring, being the Logi let's me have something to do all the time while knowing what's going on around me.
"War doesn't determine who is right, only who is left."
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INFINITE DIVERSITY IDIC
Intara Direct Action
Caldari State
411
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Posted - 2014.02.28 22:04:00 -
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Zatara Rought wrote:INFINITE DIVERSITY IDIC wrote:Zatara Rought wrote:Leadfoot10 wrote:A good logi allows his teammates to seek kills, which typically results in a lower than usual KDR. Like Arkena, I know a few of them that have very good gun games and can excel in the role, but they take their lumps for the good of the team, and I salute them for it! And if you think it's easy to have a high KDR as a scout, and actually provide some value to your team, I would sure love to run with you and evaluate your skill. Because the best scouts I know (who are among the very best in this game), all struggle with KDR -- and they are anything but "bad". As for me, I'm a slayer logi who has no real excuse for his less-than-stellar KDR -- except my complete lack of DS3 skill combined with poor MKB controls. Fusion Commander's weekly k/d is like 5-6. And 3 out of that 5 or 6 is Cores to the face.....l Good for him...if he's managing to use 50 cpu of his fit for that and sacrificing elsewhere when m1's are 20...props for being such a masternader.
Agreed, but cores are waaaay more fun... |
INFINITE DIVERSITY IDIC
Intara Direct Action
Caldari State
411
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Posted - 2014.02.28 22:07:00 -
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Rynoceros wrote:Think your KDR says something?
Come at me.
Mine is a 1.18 because of how I choose to play, not because I don't know how to back myself into a dark corner near an objective and camp out, proto'd out, while my team loses.
I drag these sorry mother ******* to Victory. Uplinks, hacks, kills, pushing objectives - I put the team on my back.
***** ass pieces of **** worrying about KDR can eat a greasy bag of dicks. No hot sauce.
Damnit Ryno we wanted hotsauce with greasy c o c k....... |
Charlotte O'Dell
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
1988
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Posted - 2014.02.28 22:13:00 -
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Scanners and uplinks are my equipment of choice. Small effort and big WP payback.
Charlotte O'Dell is the highest level unicorn!
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Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p
TRA1LBLAZERS
1006
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Posted - 2014.02.28 22:15:00 -
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no, it means you ran nova knives with no sidearm or EHP mods on a minmitar scout for your first 5 mil SP, and averaged 2-17
Kills- Archduke Ferdinand
Balance!
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COVERT SUBTERFUGE
PSU GHOST SYNDICATE
DARKSTAR ARMY
417
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Posted - 2014.02.28 22:21:00 -
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Would rather have my low kdr than be one of those sad chumps who goes and kills a fellow corp mate over and over in some lonely corner of a map to pad his ego. Fun > kdr...I feel sorry for anyone who doesn't agree. 
Subterfuge and terrorist GOD in the making
Proud Minmatar - Alt of THE GREY CARDINAL
Love the Art of War
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I-Shayz-I
I-----I
2433
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Posted - 2014.02.28 22:31:00 -
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Weekly/monthly kdr is better than lifetime. Because lifetime shows all of the deaths that happened when you were still a noob lol.
My weekly kdr can be as high as 4 or 5 as a support logi/heavy, while my lifetime has barely risen from 2.12 to 2.4 over the past however many months since the last respec.
Then there are people like Crazy Cat Lady that don't use their gun at all and have a 0.6 kdr because they only die, but still get upwards of 5000 wp per match. I think she has maybe 3000 LIFETIME kills. That's less than what most players earn in a month lol
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Zahle Undt
Bullet Cluster
Legacy Rising
780
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Posted - 2014.02.28 22:32:00 -
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INFINITE DIVERSITY IDIC wrote:ReGnYuM wrote:I use KDR as a very general Baseline for recruiting. As long as you're following and fulfilling the objectives outlined by your role, then your spread means nothing to me.
However, evidence has suggested 20 bombs and 30 bombs can strengthen morale, while demoralizing the enemy. This load of s h I t coming from a guy whos signature used to say " KDR>All" , pffffttt nub. Gg
As much as I'll fall for Reg's troll bait I am told at the very least half of the shlt he says is sarcastic. In this case I'll choose to believe his KDR>all is the sarcastic one
Most tankers are like sand people. They frighten easily, but will quickly return...and in greater numbers.
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Nocturnal Soul
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
2069
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Posted - 2014.02.28 22:33:00 -
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Well when your the only guy on the team with RE's and the enemy team has 1-3 tanks you tend to do alot of suicide missions to state your presence on the battle field.
"But we have been blessed"
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Crimson ShieId
Psygod9
D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
160
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Posted - 2014.02.28 22:34:00 -
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My KD/R has actually gone up quite a bit since I started really using scouts  Oddly enough, since this heavy event started, it's gone down due to me trying to run a fat suit...  I just want to get back to my nova knives 
Sometimes I miss never seeing tanks in a battle... then I remember the mystical flying soma, and I can't help but smile.
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Hoover Damn
H.A.R.V.E.S.T.
Legacy Rising
60
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Posted - 2014.02.28 22:35:00 -
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Logi Stician wrote:And for your information, I have tried several times to kill reds at both close and medium range with my rep tool to no effect. It just doesn't do enough damage.
Somebody give this man a medal. |
Sam Tektzby
Better Hide R Die
277
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Posted - 2014.02.28 22:35:00 -
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I have up reptool and droplinks more, that Gaussie of mine.
I basicaly taking up Gaussie only if enemy is really upfront and there is noone (from my squad) who sloud be covered by my support.
Support - Tactician/Support
Deteis - Orator
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CLONE117
True Pros Forever
702
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Posted - 2014.02.28 22:37:00 -
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if u have a crappy kdr... then u should start chucking out nanohives and giving reps to those that dont. |
Disturbingly Bored
The Strontium Asylum
1804
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Posted - 2014.02.28 22:39:00 -
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mr musturd wrote:Screw kdr its all about that weekly win/loss
...says the guy with like a double-digit KDR. 
I used to own the FAT GAT until this --> [ASCII Art removed - draconian forum overlord CCP Logibro]
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Meeko Fent
Kirkinen Risk Control
Caldari State
1822
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Posted - 2014.02.28 22:59:00 -
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Low KDR doesn't make you a scout or logi.
But many, many true logis and scouts have low KDRs due to the fact their role has nothing to do with fighting for the most part. Truebros spend a ton of time making sure their buddies are set with full health and ammo.
And scouts are...scouts. Their just paper. They are going to die very, very freqently because their paper, and they can be seen by anybody and everybody.
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CLONE117
True Pros Forever
703
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Posted - 2014.02.28 23:12:00 -
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speaking of scouts i think ill have to try running a mlt scout one of these days. if a end up going 15 something with it then i may never understand the bitching with scouts.
im not the kind of person that likes to sneak around. i prefer to go guns blazing. even during missions that require absolute stealth. so im not sure how well id pull off in a scout suit. but from how well ive done in my mlt suits for monthes i may give it a try. one of these days. |
Lorhak Gannarsein
Science For Death
1841
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Posted - 2014.02.28 23:19:00 -
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Zahle Undt wrote:INFINITE DIVERSITY IDIC wrote:ReGnYuM wrote:I use KDR as a very general Baseline for recruiting. As long as you're following and fulfilling the objectives outlined by your role, then your spread means nothing to me.
However, evidence has suggested 20 bombs and 30 bombs can strengthen morale, while demoralizing the enemy. This load of s h I t coming from a guy whos signature used to say " KDR>All" , pffffttt nub. Gg As much as I'll fall for Reg's troll bait I am told at the very least half of the shlt he says is sarcastic. In this case I'll choose to believe his KDR>all is the sarcastic one
Reg is one of the biggest trolls in the history of DUST.
Forge on for great justice!
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Chunky Munkey
Amarr Templars
Amarr Empire
3298
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Posted - 2014.03.01 00:42:00 -
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WonLon Tong wrote:It's insulting to REAL scouts and logis using their class as an excuse to be bad.
What if I hunt proto suits in a militia fit. Does that count?
No.
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Himiko Kuronaga
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
3059
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Posted - 2014.03.01 00:46:00 -
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Skihids wrote:WonLon Tong wrote:It's insulting to REAL scouts and logis using their class as an excuse to be bad. I'm not "bad" even if I have a less than even KDR. My worth is not measured in KDR. That's a myopia suffered by the slayer class.
Actually you are bad if you have a less than even kdr. |
Fusion Commander
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
103
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Posted - 2014.03.01 01:12:00 -
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INFINITE DIVERSITY IDIC wrote:Zatara Rought wrote:Leadfoot10 wrote:A good logi allows his teammates to seek kills, which typically results in a lower than usual KDR. Like Arkena, I know a few of them that have very good gun games and can excel in the role, but they take their lumps for the good of the team, and I salute them for it! And if you think it's easy to have a high KDR as a scout, and actually provide some value to your team, I would sure love to run with you and evaluate your skill. Because the best scouts I know (who are among the very best in this game), all struggle with KDR -- and they are anything but "bad". As for me, I'm a slayer logi who has no real excuse for his less-than-stellar KDR -- except my complete lack of DS3 skill combined with poor MKB controls. Fusion Commander's weekly k/d is like 5-6. And 3 out of that 5 or 6 is Cores to the face.....l
I don't use cores anymore haven't used them in 2 month but I get in those situation where I wish I had them
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Ripcord19981
KNIGHTZ OF THE ROUND
Legacy Rising
489
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Posted - 2014.03.01 01:39:00 -
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WonLon Tong wrote:It's insulting to REAL scouts and logis using their class as an excuse to be bad.
Hmm not sure ig Im reading the post the wrong way, I do have golden moments in my scout mk suit, but being relevant to the team and having a kdr of 2.5+ is really hard in the scout suit.
My KDR i 2.85 (descent not great)
Whats yours?
I can only please one person per day. Today is not ur day, tomorrow doesn't look too bright either.
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Scheneighnay McBob
Learning Coalition College
4165
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Posted - 2014.03.01 01:43:00 -
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Good scouts have a higher KDR than good assaults
As if KDR means anything anyway.
I am your scan error.
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calvin b
Ostrakon Agency
Gallente Federation
1581
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Posted - 2014.03.01 01:45:00 -
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mr musturd wrote:Screw kdr its all about that weekly win/loss
I have disagree on the weekly win/loss factor. I have no control over who is on my team so my win/loss will be different than those who run with squads. Yes it is my choice, but do not penalize me because poor play from others. Today was a perfect example. Me and one other on my team had a positive KD/R me and the other person was the only one to get above 500 WP. I know others struggle and for that I understand when others do not do well. I have tried to carry my team and all it has cause me is lose of ISK and a few years off my life due to stress. Just play your way and let the chips fall where they may. I think a person's skill is measured by kills, WP, or both.
A heavy before 1.8
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knight of 6
SVER True Blood
General Tso's Alliance
1541
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Posted - 2014.03.01 01:58:00 -
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wat? KDr doesn't mean ****.
1.5-6 I maintained a 1.37 KDr
I currently have a 1.26
I am no more or less of a scout for it.
why on earth would KDr dictate the skill of a player? A player who chooses inaction to preserve something as superficial and worthless as KDr is a as useless as a player who picks bad fights and loses clones unnecessarily.
GÇ£Even though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil, for I am dampened.GÇ¥
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Odigos Ellinas
Mannar Focused Warfare
Gallente Federation
12
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Posted - 2014.03.01 02:17:00 -
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Red line snipers have a great kdr !! right ??? do they count as good scouts ???
Or this kdr fanatics who leave battle before it begins because they saw a good player on the enemy team. (fix this with ISK penalty for contract violation )
Or the athers "i don't see any enemy tank great i can call in one to fix my kdr" (fix everyone needs t have a rail tank ready ) etcGǪ..
KDR is telling nothing because of the game mechanic in dust !
And don't start with the warpoints we all now the one guy who drops in a ambush the uplink in front of the enemy team and all the team is force spawning there. (fix WP only if team members survive 30sec )
The hundreds of crazy medics who keep picking you up with the red waiting for you (fix WP only if team members survive 30sec ) etcGǪ.
war points are telling nothing in dust ! |
Joel II X
Dah Gods O Bacon
1353
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Posted - 2014.03.01 03:53:00 -
[48] - Quote
I'm mostly a hacker rather than a slayer. But, I do mostly go positive. Or I try to, anyways.
I like hacking CRUs because they can turn the tide of battle and/or have berries distract the enemy while you go for your true objective. |
Crazy Cat Lady
Opus Arcana
Covert Intervention
68
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Posted - 2014.03.01 04:20:00 -
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I-Shayz-I wrote:
Then there are people like Crazy Cat Lady that don't use their gun at all and have a 0.6 kdr because they only die, but still get upwards of 5000 wp per match. I think she has maybe 3000 LIFETIME kills. That's less than what most players earn in a month lol
Shayz, you are talking me up with such over-generous stats.. My KDR is actually 0.38 LMFAO. I keep wondering if I might be able to get it down to 0.1 one day
Meh, my weapon is the dude I am keeping alive. Fingers crossed he kills them all.
Btw a salute to you and other combat logis who multitask like a boss. |
Vicious Minotaur
Tronhadar Free Guard
Minmatar Republic
699
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Posted - 2014.03.01 04:24:00 -
[50] - Quote
Having a high k/d ratio doesn't make you a logi or scout, either. |
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Meee One
The dyst0pian Corporation
Zero-Day
426
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Posted - 2014.03.01 04:36:00 -
[51] - Quote
I find KDR to be a bad measurement.
I've been in matches where players have gone 42/2 and i was still #1 with 0/3.
Logibro FTW.
Also,personal KDR of .55 .
Only users lose drugs.
Time wounds all heels.
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abarkrishna
WarRavens
319
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Posted - 2014.03.01 13:48:00 -
[52] - Quote
I must be a terrible logi with my 2.0 KDR and 2500 + wp accrual a game.
Guess I should grab a rail rifle or militia tank and spam that like everyone else.
No you kill this blueberry hacking the CRU we are camping. I already killed the last 2.
When will they learn!
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Meknow Intaki
90
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Posted - 2014.03.01 16:31:00 -
[53] - Quote
I've been been playing since mordu's private trials and I have given up on my kdr a long time ago.
I worry more about cost if fits and how much I bring in vs. How useful I am to the team. |
Ronan Elsword
Dead Six Initiative
Lokun Listamenn
198
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Posted - 2014.03.02 05:57:00 -
[54] - Quote
Crazy Cat Lady wrote:Btw a salute to you and other combat logis who multitask like a boss.
Awww shucks
"War doesn't determine who is right, only who is left."
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The Robot Devil
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
1781
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Posted - 2014.03.02 06:22:00 -
[55] - Quote
CLONE117 wrote:speaking of scouts i think ill have to try running a mlt scout one of these days. if a end up going 15 something with it then i may never understand the bitching with scouts.
im not the kind of person that likes to sneak around. i prefer to go guns blazing. even during missions that require absolute stealth. so im not sure how well id pull off in a scout suit. but from how well ive done in my mlt suits for monthes i may give it a try. one of these days.
I did about six weeks in gal starters and it did help my scout game. I use a dragon fly scout as my first suit to drop linkups and hack. I have ran out of ammo more than once in a scout suit and in some matches it will be the only suit I get kills in. If there were a scout suit with a bonus to LR that make feedback extremely small then I would use a LR on a scout but as it is I carry an exile AR BPO and a toxin SMG BPO. I recommend playing starter fits to anyone who wants a tougher challenge, better skills or more ISK. Oddly enough it will provide all three at once.
"You people voted for Hubert Humphrey, and you killed Jesus."
Raoul Duke
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The Robot Devil
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
1781
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Posted - 2014.03.02 06:35:00 -
[56] - Quote
Himiko Kuronaga wrote:Skihids wrote:WonLon Tong wrote:It's insulting to REAL scouts and logis using their class as an excuse to be bad. I'm not "bad" even if I have a less than even KDR. My worth is not measured in KDR. That's a myopia suffered by the slayer class. Actually you are bad if you have a less than even kdr.
I am bad. 0.6something.
I do make up for it by providing good logi support. There are many fights where my heavy has gone down once or twice but lost no suits and I have died five times because I will rep from the front and move in front of incoming damage. It works more times than it fails but it does cause me to lose suits. I also try to use myself as a shield if it needle someone, my KDR is junk and I am a bad shot but I am a good logi and squad mate so I feel that my KDR is justified. More often than not I am in the top five of 32 from repping and kill assists.
In Chrome I was a squad leader a good bit and my KDR was 2+ so being good at orbitals is also a factor sometimes.
"You people voted for Hubert Humphrey, and you killed Jesus."
Raoul Duke
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LT SHANKS
Amarr Templars
Amarr Empire
1558
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Posted - 2014.03.02 06:43:00 -
[57] - Quote
I've been playing as a LogiScout for several months so I am neither effective at being a Logi nor a Scout. I think my KDR reflects that perfectly.
...I'm a bad player... |
Leadfoot10
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
601
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Posted - 2014.03.02 06:43:00 -
[58] - Quote
Zatara Rought wrote:Leadfoot10 wrote:A good logi allows his teammates to seek kills, which typically results in a lower than usual KDR. Like Arkena, I know a few of them that have very good gun games and can excel in the role, but they take their lumps for the good of the team, and I salute them for it! And if you think it's easy to have a high KDR as a scout, and actually provide some value to your team, I would sure love to run with you and evaluate your skill. Because the best scouts I know (who are among the very best in this game), all struggle with KDR -- and they are anything but "bad". As for me, I'm a slayer logi who has no real excuse for his less-than-stellar KDR -- except my complete lack of DS3 skill combined with poor MKB controls. Fusion Commander's weekly k/d is like 5-6.
It is indeed, and his W/L is much higher than that, but my point is this...
There might be better, but Fusion's is as gifted of a scout as I've seen in this game.
His lifetime kdr is below 4.
If you look at slayer logis, assaults, snipers, tankers, or just about any other role on the battlefield (except perhaps support logi or maybe heavy), the KDRs of the top players are double that. |
Sergamon Draco
Rautaleijona
Top Men.
327
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Posted - 2014.03.02 06:48:00 -
[59] - Quote
I have kd/r 1.15,but why care about kd/r ?Does better kd/r make you better player.Answer is NO
Fck the kdr,i`m going in
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RemingtonBeaver
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
175
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Posted - 2014.03.02 07:21:00 -
[60] - Quote
My KDR blows and I have no clue what I am doing.
My skill tree is a damn mess. My minmaturd apartment is filled with half read books, explosives, and so many guns parts that I don't know what goes to which gun.
Am I AV, a logi, a scout, ADS pilot, free style jogger, jeep enthusiast? I don't know. I play whatever role I feel like in a not-so great fashion. I have a lot of fun, and I enjoy my corpmates.
Stats...pffffttt. Your worth is measured by those around you...and by handies given in LAVs.
We can pickle that.
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IMMORTAL WAR HERO
NECROM0NGERS
The CORVOS
99
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Posted - 2014.03.02 07:56:00 -
[61] - Quote
WonLon Tong wrote:It's insulting to REAL scouts and logis using their class as an excuse to be bad.
lol if i sat there and sniped with a thales or charge my kd would be amazing but its boring
Frowned upon by amateurs: The object of war is not to die for your country but make the other bastard die for his. GSP
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bogeyman m
Krusual Covert Operators
Minmatar Republic
128
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Posted - 2014.03.02 08:34:00 -
[62] - Quote
Logi Stician wrote:WonLon Tong wrote:It's insulting to REAL scouts and logis using their class as an excuse to be bad. What's a KAY DEE ARR? Is that some neat way of abbreviating KanDybaR? And for your information, I have tried several times to kill reds at both close and medium range with my rep tool to no effect. It just doesn't do enough damage. But for reals, I, personally, am a logi because I'm a bad shot. I don't need to be a good shot to Res Rep and Resupply my squad. I am getting better though.
I think it's pronounced KAY DEE ARRrgghhh...
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Ghost Kaisar
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
3282
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Posted - 2014.03.02 20:59:00 -
[63] - Quote
Please for the sake of clarity.
Define an average KD/R ratio for me.
For me, 1.0 is low, 2.0 is average, and 3.0+ is fantastic for scouts.
Nothing says "F**K YOU!" like a direct Flaylock to the face.
I've got 3k likes, I'll double post if I want to dammit!
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Hynox Xitio
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
223
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Posted - 2014.03.02 21:03:00 -
[64] - Quote
I like to stand in front of rail rifle fire sometimes so my logi can farm war points.
Hynox Xitio // Patron Saint of Fogwogglers // Master Heavy
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John Demonsbane
Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics
League of Infamy
2187
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Posted - 2014.03.02 21:18:00 -
[65] - Quote
Ghost Kaisar wrote:Please for the sake of clarity.
Define an average KD/R ratio for me.
For me, 1.0 is low, 2.0 is average, and 3.0+ is fantastic for scouts.
How can 2 be average? Mathematically that doesn't make a lot of sense.
"The line between disorder and order lies in logistics" -Sun Tzu
Forum Warrior lv.2
Amarr victor!
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Marston VC
SVER True Blood
General Tso's Alliance
1554
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Posted - 2014.03.02 21:25:00 -
[66] - Quote
I think it takes exceptional skill to have a good k/d (above 2) while also being a good logi.
But you don't have to have a good k/d to be considered a "good" logi.
Marston VC, STB Director
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DozersMouse XIII
Ultramarine Corp
134
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Posted - 2014.03.02 21:35:00 -
[67] - Quote
to many ways to boost and pad kdr in dust for it to matter
Bacon pancakes makin' bacon pancakes
Take some bacon and I'll put it a pancake
Bacon pancakes thats what it's gonna make
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Meeko Fent
Kirkinen Risk Control
Caldari State
1862
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Posted - 2014.03.02 21:38:00 -
[68] - Quote
Ghost Kaisar wrote:Please for the sake of clarity.
Define an average KD/R ratio for me.
For me, 1.0 is low, 2.0 is average, and 3.0+ is fantastic for scouts.
For scouts?
I would think...
0 is low,
.1 is average,
and .25 is ******* boss.
Thats me not being a scout, but fighting scouts makes me think even attempting to get 1.0 KDR is like trying to be a god.
Because you Wanted to be Something your Not.
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STEALTH HUNTER ZERO
D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N
D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
84
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Posted - 2014.03.02 21:59:00 -
[69] - Quote
I run adv gal scout 99% of the time in pubs, my lifetime KDR is 2.17 but monthly is above 3. My w/l is a lot higher since I will push for a win in my flimsy suit if it will help us achieve a victory. I do a lot of uplink support for my squad, as well as flan behind the enemy and hack or destroy uplinks on the way back to their frontline lol. I consider myself a pretty good scout for using a somewhat UP suit. |
Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
3005
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Posted - 2014.03.02 22:16:00 -
[70] - Quote
Meeko Fent wrote:Ghost Kaisar wrote:Please for the sake of clarity.
Define an average KD/R ratio for me.
For me, 1.0 is low, 2.0 is average, and 3.0+ is fantastic for scouts. For scouts? I would think... 0 is low, .1 is average, and .25 is ******* boss. Thats me not being a scout, but fighting scouts makes me think even attempting to get 1.0 KDR is like trying to be a god.
Scouts take quite an SP investment to master. With good passive scan skills, speed, and a different mindset, it's the most fun I've had in Dust.
This event has been a bit rough as a scout (for me anyway), but getting under scans is huge. Being able to flank and escape is a big change from being weighted down in a Galogi suit.
ML Director
Eve Toon - Raylan Scott
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STEALTH HUNTER ZERO
D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N
D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
86
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Posted - 2014.03.02 22:20:00 -
[71] - Quote
Thor Odinson42 wrote:Meeko Fent wrote:Ghost Kaisar wrote:Please for the sake of clarity.
Define an average KD/R ratio for me.
For me, 1.0 is low, 2.0 is average, and 3.0+ is fantastic for scouts. For scouts? I would think... 0 is low, .1 is average, and .25 is ******* boss. Thats me not being a scout, but fighting scouts makes me think even attempting to get 1.0 KDR is like trying to be a god. Scouts take quite an SP investment to master. With good passive scan skills, speed, and a different mindset, it's the most fun I've had in Dust. This event has been a bit rough as a scout (for me anyway), but getting under scans is huge. Being able to flank and escape is a big change from being weighted down in a Galogi suit.
RE's my friend, they'll kill everything but chuck norris. |
Chuckles Brown
194
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Posted - 2014.03.02 22:22:00 -
[72] - Quote
1. KDR NEVER matters. Winning is all that matters. And anything in a public contract match is just a lol pub where scrubs pad their KDR but can't break even in a PC or even qualify to play in one.
2. Yes, Logis should have lower KDRs, as it's not their job to be a kill *****. They should die more often because they are unarmed more often, and without a sidearm(except Amarr). Kind of hard to defend yourself when you're hacking, holding equipment, or come across 3 enemies and you don't have a sidearm...
3. The best Scout in the game has a KDR of 3-something... the best Assault in the game has a KDR around 15...
4. The vast majority of players on this game have a negative KDR because of how the game is built. Strong continously crush the weak.
To quote Reg... lol at General Discussion...
The official alt of 8213: All other alts are unofficially unofficial
Do you pub, brah?
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Amuf Oratok
Forty-Nine Fedayeen
Minmatar Republic
5
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Posted - 2014.03.02 22:51:00 -
[73] - Quote
I've been playing minmatar scout knifer for almost a year. My k/d ratio is .64 and is lowering day by day. You know what? I'm fine with that. It doesn't matter to me dying multiple times if I can stop the enemies from hacking the null cannon. I could walk on a minefield just to assassinate a sniper. My blue armor distracts my enemies, they know I'm an easy kill, so I try sometimes to act as a bait.
I am surely a bad player, since my personal skills did not get better after all this time, but an insult to the scout role? I don't think so. |
Yan Darn
Forsaken Immortals
Top Men.
295
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Posted - 2014.03.02 23:21:00 -
[74] - Quote
Rynoceros wrote:Think your KDR says something?
Come at me.
Mine is a 1.18 because of how I choose to play, not because I don't know how to back myself into a dark corner near an objective and camp out, proto'd out, while my team loses.
I drag these sorry mother ******* to Victory. Uplinks, hacks, kills, pushing objectives - I put the team on my back.
***** ass pieces of **** worrying about KDR can eat a greasy bag of dicks. No hot sauce.
^
I'm contraception against being redlined. I suppose if I chucked on a rifle and stayed with the squad on top of a building defending a single objective and not capping anything, my KDR (1.1ish) would probably be better but the games would be boring, if not complete losses...
It's the main reason I really prefer scout squads these days. Everyone else is staying put at a single objective or constantly spawning at an uplink, going head first into another squad defending an objective.
No tension. No excitement.
Only a few scouts are deadly ninjas who leave nothing but corpses behind...1.8 will make these guys gods.
The Ghost of Bravo
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WonLon Tong
Onikanabo Brigade
Caldari State
15
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Posted - 2014.03.03 08:31:00 -
[75] - Quote
Tears have been harvested, Thank you for your participation.
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Piraten Hovnoret
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
351
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Posted - 2014.03.03 08:51:00 -
[76] - Quote
INFINITE DIVERSITY IDIC wrote:Zatara Rought wrote:Leadfoot10 wrote:A good logi allows his teammates to seek kills, which typically results in a lower than usual KDR. Like Arkena, I know a few of them that have very good gun games and can excel in the role, but they take their lumps for the good of the team, and I salute them for it! And if you think it's easy to have a high KDR as a scout, and actually provide some value to your team, I would sure love to run with you and evaluate your skill. Because the best scouts I know (who are among the very best in this game), all struggle with KDR -- and they are anything but "bad". As for me, I'm a slayer logi who has no real excuse for his less-than-stellar KDR -- except my complete lack of DS3 skill combined with poor MKB controls. Fusion Commander's weekly k/d is like 5-6. And 3 out of that 5 or 6 is Cores to the face.....l
He is the best scout in the game. He is just insanely good
Have tryed to run with the exact same outfit as he does, however it does not work for me god knows how he does it.
However it does not hurt to have him in corp to get pointers etc. my KDR has actually gone upp the last cupule of weeks after talking to him. Even doing okey in PC now with my scout last one I was killed more to friendly fire then of the ragging reds.
Al thanks to Fusion
Regards
War never changes
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Sinboto Simmons
SVER True Blood
General Tso's Alliance
4740
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Posted - 2014.03.03 08:53:00 -
[77] - Quote
I don't even know what my KDR is....
Sinboto - The True Blood Minja
Forum Warrior level 4
STB-Infantry (Demolition)
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Mregomies
Beer For Evil Mercs
165
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Posted - 2014.03.03 08:56:00 -
[78] - Quote
I have 1.7 KDR (with only 13k kills) and over 2.2m lifetime WP, that makes me a logi. My doubletanking keep my KDR decent.
Suomi, Finland, PERKELE!
Logibro
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KingBabar
The Rainbow Effect
Negative-Feedback
1943
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Posted - 2014.03.03 09:39:00 -
[79] - Quote
Rynoceros wrote:Think your KDR says something?
Come at me.
Mine is a 1.18 because of how I choose to play, not because I don't know how to back myself into a dark corner near an objective and camp out, proto'd out, while my team loses.
I drag these sorry mother ******* to Victory. Uplinks, hacks, kills, pushing objectives - I put the team on my back.
***** ass pieces of **** worrying about KDR can eat a greasy bag of dicks. No hot sauce.
Well, some of us do all that. You know, support, carry the teams on Our backs, always pushing the objective, always going for the win, we have Our theme Nights With silly fittings and so on.
And we still have a KDR of 5+, and a win/loss ratio to match.
Some of you People use this generic excuse, that goes in the lines of "Bec ause I do this and that I have a terrible KDR, the dudes With high KDR are just stat padding tryhards With 0.7 in win/loss ratio".
Yes its very easy to boost ones KDR in this game by sniping, tanking, roftop camping etc. A persons KDR is only a viable measure if, well, to be quite honest here, Plays like or similar to me. Yeah i do sound like an entitles asshat, doean't mean that I'm not right....
FU and FU Dust community, you're mostly a bunch of moronic carebear crybabies. Get good.
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soulreaper73
PFB Pink Fluffy Bunnies
749
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Posted - 2014.03.03 13:41:00 -
[80] - Quote
WonLon Tong wrote:Tears have been harvested, Thank you for your participation.
You need a new catch phrase. The whole tears thing became outdated 5 months ago. 
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Atiim
5210
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Posted - 2014.03.03 14:25:00 -
[81] - Quote
WonLon Tong wrote:Tears have been harvested, Thank you for your participation.
I think your mistaking QQ for people calling you out on your stupidity.
It's the latter.
Atiim (Gunnlogi - 80GJ Particle Cannon) Tank Scrub
[s]Text[/s] <---------- That's how you make a strike-through
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Sgt Buttscratch
KILL-EM-QUICK
1903
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Posted - 2014.03.03 14:27:00 -
[82] - Quote
KDR is a **** heads idea of a good stat. Accuracy would make more sense.
I stick my weiner in two buns and and then give it the gas
Sour cream from my spleen into Levi jeans
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Sinboto Simmons
SVER True Blood
General Tso's Alliance
4748
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Posted - 2014.03.03 14:39:00 -
[83] - Quote
Sgt Buttscratch wrote:KDR is a **** heads idea of a good stat. Accuracy would make more sense.
But I use a MD most of the time.....
Sinboto - The True Blood Minja
Forum Warrior level 4
STB-Infantry (Demolition)
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WonLon Tong
Onikanabo Brigade
Caldari State
16
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Posted - 2014.03.03 16:27:00 -
[84] - Quote
KingBabar wrote:Rynoceros wrote:Think your KDR says something?
Come at me.
Mine is a 1.18 because of how I choose to play, not because I don't know how to back myself into a dark corner near an objective and camp out, proto'd out, while my team loses.
I drag these sorry mother ******* to Victory. Uplinks, hacks, kills, pushing objectives - I put the team on my back.
***** ass pieces of **** worrying about KDR can eat a greasy bag of dicks. No hot sauce. Well, some of us do all that. You know, support, carry the teams on Our backs, always pushing the objective, always going for the win, we have Our theme Nights With silly fittings and so on. And we still have a KDR of 5+, and a win/loss ratio to match. Some of you People use this generic excuse, that goes in the lines of "Bec ause I do this and that I have a terrible KDR, the dudes With high KDR are just stat padding tryhards With 0.7 in win/loss ratio". Yes its very easy to boost ones KDR in this game by sniping, tanking, roftop camping etc. A persons KDR is only a viable measure if, well, to be quite honest here, Plays like or similar to me. Yeah i do sound like an entitles asshat, doean't mean that I'm not right....
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WonLon Tong
Onikanabo Brigade
Caldari State
16
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Posted - 2014.03.03 16:28:00 -
[85] - Quote
Atiim wrote:WonLon Tong wrote:Tears have been harvested, Thank you for your participation.
I think your mistaking QQ for people calling you out on your stupidity. It's the latter.
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Heimdallr69
Ancient Exiles.
Renegade Alliance
1750
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Posted - 2014.03.03 16:34:00 -
[86] - Quote
I'm a slayer but in PC I use logis cuz that's what's needed in PC, assaults seem like a waste to me in PC with that 1 equipment slot.
Removed inappropriate content - CCP Logibro
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WonLon Tong
Onikanabo Brigade
Caldari State
16
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Posted - 2014.03.03 21:45:00 -
[87] - Quote
Heimdallr69 wrote:I'm a slayer but in PC I use logis cuz that's what's needed in PC, assaults seem like a waste to me in PC with that 1 equipment slot.
Same gotta chain dem orbis |
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