First, there is no Officer Plasma Cannon. Only the earliest of weapons have Officer Variants (AR, HMG, Forge, SR, SP, and SMG).

Second, ain't gonna happen.

I rarely bust out a Thales in a pub but because of you I'm going to Thales spam my little black heart out.

I was thinking of weapons that could 1 shot people, so yes I made a mistake by listing the plasma cannon in such a manner.

For the other point, it might happen, we all thought at one point that no way tanks would ever be able to roll nearly as fast as lavs yet that is happening.

hahahahaha no.

adapt.

the sniper is localized to one region of the map (albeit usually the redline). you (as infantry) are not.

whats stopping you from counter sniping? whats so hard about avoiding the sniper after they kill you once?

the reason why thale's one shot things is because people stack 3-4 complex dmg mods on one. jacking up its damage well into the 400's....accompanied with a headshot....thats an insta kill.

so: always be moving. as soon as you hear a sniper shot hit near you, run, jump and move in the most unorthodox fashion to cover.

all this coming from a sniper.

why isn't the scrambler pistol on your list? it'll one shot lots and lots of people in the right situation.

A Typhoon sniped my Omen right outside a Station in Amarr from 100km....that was a 50million ISK fit......and you are bitching about a sniper rifle at 500m?

HTFU!

That's a different issue for a different forum, jog on trooper. Also, their is no 100km in the game....unless you are talking about Eve which is another game all together in which I say complain on the right forum again.

Obviously comming from a sniper, the reason your arguement sucks was already pointed out in several of my points which you did not bother to even read. Let me re-list them for your lazy ass.

1. To counter snipe in return you must risk being in a compromised position, aka someone with a Rail Rifle or something could kill you, the one in the red zone can not have someone with a RR kill them because they are out of range.

2. To be able to hit someone with the officer weapon sniper rifle in the red zone you need a proto or officer lvl sniper rifle, no other weapon will do.

3. It does not take a headshot for the officer lvl weapon to kill someone.

+1

Snipers are one of the most unreasonable groups in dust,and refuse to give up an inch to save a mile in dust.
They even have the nerve to request a buff to their already OP weapon.

1. i do it all the time. become proficient with sidearms. avoid open spaces. be smart about counter sniping. dont be one of the hundreds of dumb@$$aults that dont think (although judging byb your response im certain you are)

2. no you dont. you are trying to hit them from to far then. you are in their optimal if you need a proto sniper. make a redline run if needed (last time i checked, a scout with a shotty and REs is pretty good at removing redline snieprs for <10k isk) i have killed plenty of redline snipers using nothing but an adv NT-511 sniper. (little hint: snipers dont look up)

3. i said COUPLED WITH A HEADSHOT its an insta kill. if you are being one shotted then thats you rfault for not playing smart. mlt suits and basic sutis with little to no tank are a snipers heaven. try and avoid long runs through open field. stick to cover (RUN ERRADICALLY)

Point is he was using T2 essentially officer gear, I was unprepared and didn't even know he was hostile and he 1OHKO me..... harden up. PLayers can use whatever they want in whatever game mode they wish. These are their assets, hard won, randomly salavaged and given certain value....

Their risk, their reward.

When have sniper rifles been OP?

There's a significant difference between OP and simply annoying.

i get it. its unfare to new players.

but thats part of new eden. you get fed to the wolves and just because they have a better gun, doesnt mean you cant beat them. you dont need a dropship to kill a redline sniper. get on top of a tower. go get into an LAV and speed into the redline. use a scout suit (fast and sneaky)

if you kill a thale's sniper during a match. that sniper could potentially end up as salvage for you or one of your team mates. so essentially, what goes around comes around.

if you are using a scanner to kill a redline sniper. you have already alerted them of your presence. yo umust be sneaky to kill one.

heck, use a heavy frame to counter snipe if thats what you need.

You don't always need a dropship to do it, but often times you do, depending upon the map, I could personally show you maps where the only option is to use a dropship.

I also am not wanting to eliminate the whole fed to the wolves thing as I want the proto sniper rifles still in pubs, I am just wanting the most powerful of the sniper rifles out which just blast away people in militias and can literally steer the entire match just like how tanks have now gotten to high and mighty (different topic all together and different issues) but just saying it would be like having a Thale during training academy when most of you started pointed at your head constantly, since their is basically no academy now.

I was thinking of weapons that could 1 shot people, so yes I made a mistake by listing the plasma cannon in such a manner.

For the other point, it might happen, we all thought at one point that no way tanks would ever be able to roll nearly as fast as lavs yet that is happening.

...to paraphrase: I'm scared of the neighborhood sniper, please would someone save me from this nightmare!!!

Please do, you'll just be proving my point about why the Thale needs to be banned from pub matches.

I'm not a sniper, I'm a logi, and my super healer senses are telling me that your butthurt. Thales are a part of the game and people are using them exactly how they are supposed to be used. Up until I hunt them down with a militia dropship and scanner and blow their faces off with a shotgun scout for the lulz. Everything in this game has a counter, well almost everything, and the counter for redline Thale snipers is cheap and hilariously effective.

HTFU

On another note, what about the guys who throw Thales on a scout suit and actually run around the map getting mid range kills with it, do you want to ruin the game for them as well?

Yes, like most posters on these forums, he wants to ruin the game for everyone but himself.

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1 thales cannot win a match. in fact, 16 thales cannot win a match.

you are correct, some maps it is ideal to use a dropship to enter the redline and kill the sniper, however, there infinite ways to kill a redline sniper.

with that being said, i suggest that we properly fix mathchmaking, grow the player base and then we will see how dominant these snieprs are. i ahvent pulled out a sniper in awhile tbh, i run commando with rr and ar or ScR and LR. if needed, ill tossa sniper on to counter snipe but other wise, the sniper is a very niche weapon.

dont look at it like the other team has a thales, look at it like they are down a player. the sniper cant stop multiple hacks simultaneously.

Yes, or even just spawn in with a Militia Snipe Rifle to take that Thales.

First off, for matchmaking to be effective at all you need to actually have a player base to start with. The sniper rifle always has a place on the battlefield and can be a strong force multiplier by weakening the enemy forces by taking their shields, and by knocking them out before they get to your squad, blam one less enemy shooting your bros. They can also provide a source of intel that the scanner doesn't provide for you, voice reports of enemy movements. This is a valuable role and one that needs to be preserved.

The player that isn't killed isn't taking clones from the pool allowing you to push harder, weakening your enemies and causing fear in individuals like the OP of the thread. That player also has the task of pouring buckets of tears into the well so we can all feast on them, keep up the good work snipers.

As the title states I would like the officer sniper rifle banned from pub matches, this would not include Factional matches or PC battles, The reasons I would like this gun banned for the time being will now be listed.

1. Can be used in areas where no one can kill them, such as behind the red line on top of a mountain without using the same weapon or the proto version, which is a heavy inbalance. (Same arguement about rail tanks, but that's for another person to argue. (To counter the sniper in the red zone, the sniper in question must expose himself to the middle of the map typically which also means a possible death, where as the red line sniper with the officer weapon does not have this disadvantage)

2. This weapon can 1 hit kill many of the suits in the game and again their is no recourse unless you are using the proto or officer weapon in return.

3. Scanning can not adequetly locate the sniper (max scanning range goes up to roughly 100m officer sniper rifles easily out range this), especially if the sniper is behind the red line, which makes locating a sniper beyond reasonably difficult.

4. Charged Sniper Rifles have a high and low to the damage they deliver, the officer version does not it is pure damage at the high end. It will 1 shot kill most the suits in the game including many of the advanced level suits, which is beyond what a new player should be expected to have.

5. People just starting the game are not going to understand why they are just dead in 1 shot constantly.

6. No other officer weapon can kill with such impunity as the officer sniper rifle can. Even the officer forge or plasma cannon you have to least be in the match area on most maps in order to be effective, the officer sniper rifle does not have this limitation. (Also try hitting an infintry man with a forge gun from 300m-400m away if you can do it consistently awesome for you I bow to your godly shots)

I understand that officer weapons are very hard to get, but this gun is in short over powered and game breaking, no other officer weapon can do what it does as effectively, I am not asking that sniper rifles be removed from the game or from any game mode, what my request is that 1 gun be banned from the mode that the most new players enter. An arguement could be made that no officer weapons should be allowed within pub matches, that at the earliest they should be allowed in factional warfare, but I am not asking for that, just that the worst offender be removed or at least restricted in some format. I hope this request is considered and not flammed by every sniper who abuses this weapon in pub matches.

As the title states I would like the officer sniper rifle banned from pub matches, this would not include Factional matches or PC battles, The reasons I would like this gun banned for the time being will now be listed.

1. Can be used in areas where no one can kill them, such as behind the red line on top of a mountain without using the same weapon or the proto version, which is a heavy inbalance. (Same arguement about rail tanks, but that's for another person to argue. (To counter the sniper in the red zone, the sniper in question must expose himself to the middle of the map typically which also means a possible death, where as the red line sniper with the officer weapon does not have this disadvantage)

2. This weapon can 1 hit kill many of the suits in the game and again their is no recourse unless you are using the proto or officer weapon in return.

3. Scanning can not adequetly locate the sniper (max scanning range goes up to roughly 100m officer sniper rifles easily out range this), especially if the sniper is behind the red line, which makes locating a sniper beyond reasonably difficult.

4. Charged Sniper Rifles have a high and low to the damage they deliver, the officer version does not it is pure damage at the high end. It will 1 shot kill most the suits in the game including many of the advanced level suits, which is beyond what a new player should be expected to have.

5. People just starting the game are not going to understand why they are just dead in 1 shot constantly.

6. No other officer weapon can kill with such impunity as the officer sniper rifle can. Even the officer forge or plasma cannon you have to least be in the match area on most maps in order to be effective, the officer sniper rifle does not have this limitation. (Also try hitting an infintry man with a forge gun from 300m-400m away if you can do it consistently awesome for you I bow to your godly shots)

I understand that officer weapons are very hard to get, but this gun is in short over powered and game breaking, no other officer weapon can do what it does as effectively, I am not asking that sniper rifles be removed from the game or from any game mode, what my request is that 1 gun be banned from the mode that the most new players enter. An arguement could be made that no officer weapons should be allowed within pub matches, that at the earliest they should be allowed in factional warfare, but I am not asking for that, just that the worst offender be removed or at least restricted in some format. I hope this request is considered and not flammed by every sniper who abuses this weapon in pub matches.

Okay....I think somewhere you lost the point of my post, the reason why I am asking for this item to be considered for "PUBS ONLY" is for the new players, I want to keep the officer sniper rifles in Fac Wars and PC, because these modes are for the more experienced players, people who actually know what they are doing.

To be able to even get to some of the redline snipers you must be willing to use and sacrifice a dropship, as often times they can be more then 100m behind the redline and up on top of a mountain. This gives them more then 300m of kill zone within the general feild of gameplay.

I'm an ******* and I have no life.

Moar Tears?

When have sniper rifles been OP?

There's a significant difference between OP and simply annoying.

Any weapon with the ability to OHK (one hit kill) is OP.
And thales can do it at 0 risk to the user.

You are a perfect example of an unreasonable sniper.

Any weapon with the ability to OHK (one hit kill) is OP.
And thales can do it at 0 risk to the user.

You are a perfect example of an unreasonable sniper.

Lol. That's perhaps the silliest definition of OP I have ever heard.

BTW, Snipers in Dust have never been OP, nor are they now, even with a Thale's.

Yet another nerf thread.

That's a different issue for a different forum, jog on trooper. Also, their is no 100km in the game....unless you are talking about Eve which is another game all together in which I say complain on the right forum again.

Any weapon with the ability to OHK (one hit kill) is OP.
And thales can do it at 0 risk to the user.

You are a perfect example of an unreasonable sniper.

As the title states I would like the officer sniper rifle banned from pub matches, this would not include Factional matches or PC battles, The reasons I would like this gun banned for the time being will now be listed.

1. Can be used in areas where no one can kill them, such as behind the red line on top of a mountain without using the same weapon or the proto version, which is a heavy inbalance. (Same arguement about rail tanks, but that's for another person to argue. (To counter the sniper in the red zone, the sniper in question must expose himself to the middle of the map typically which also means a possible death, where as the red line sniper with the officer weapon does not have this disadvantage)

2. This weapon can 1 hit kill many of the suits in the game and again their is no recourse unless you are using the proto or officer weapon in return.

3. Scanning can not adequetly locate the sniper (max scanning range goes up to roughly 100m officer sniper rifles easily out range this), especially if the sniper is behind the red line, which makes locating a sniper beyond reasonably difficult.

4. Charged Sniper Rifles have a high and low to the damage they deliver, the officer version does not it is pure damage at the high end. It will 1 shot kill most the suits in the game including many of the advanced level suits, which is beyond what a new player should be expected to have.

5. People just starting the game are not going to understand why they are just dead in 1 shot constantly.

6. No other officer weapon can kill with such impunity as the officer sniper rifle can. Even the officer forge or plasma cannon you have to least be in the match area on most maps in order to be effective, the officer sniper rifle does not have this limitation. (Also try hitting an infintry man with a forge gun from 300m-400m away if you can do it consistently awesome for you I bow to your godly shots)

I understand that officer weapons are very hard to get, but this gun is in short over powered and game breaking, no other officer weapon can do what it does as effectively, I am not asking that sniper rifles be removed from the game or from any game mode, what my request is that 1 gun be banned from the mode that the most new players enter. An arguement could be made that no officer weapons should be allowed within pub matches, that at the earliest they should be allowed in factional warfare, but I am not asking for that, just that the worst offender be removed or at least restricted in some format. I hope this request is considered and not flammed by every sniper who abuses this weapon in pub matches.

Replies,

1, You're obviously not and never been a sniper lol. It's possible I know. !

2, you're obviously not up to proto yet , lol.

3, My scanner is 200 mtrs lol. try reading description of flux

4, I've been hit for over 2000 damage from a charge sniper rifle.

5, HA HA HA, poor noobs,

6, you have not tried all other officer weapons, try the forge it 1 hit kills merc's EVERY TIME, unlike the Thale.



Solution 1, remove all officer weapons , NAAAAA
Solution 2, fly into red line and shoot the sniper in back of head lol and flux his suit, bye bye Thale.