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Cody Sietz Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 2391	Posted - 2014.02.23 14:58:00 - [31] - Quote Assault SMGs have better range, I think 5-10 meters better(I could very much be wrong about how much range) They also have a higher fitting cost, as well as a higher isk cost. "I do agree with you there though. shudders" -Arkena Wyrnspire
ThePlayerkyle13 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 68	Posted - 2014.02.23 15:31:00 - [32] - Quote The only good thing about the SMG & CR is the RoF, as we all know RoF kills more than the damage is given, it's always nice to to pump 60 rounds of Armor Piercing bullets into your opponent at high speeds. On my Minmatar Character i use both CR & SMG...
Crimson ShieId Psygod9 D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 100	Posted - 2014.02.23 15:47:00 - [33] - Quote NK Scout wrote: Racro 01 Arifistan wrote: the assualt SMG is just better than the standard varient in every way. it has more range more damage more rate of fire. and best of all. a higher accuracy rateing. if you use an ishukone assault SMG your going to love it. good to use when you have awykomi swamr on you adn some pesky reds think your easy prey only to be melted by the godlyness of the ishy assault. Why? Why would anyone use the std smg then? Im looking at its stats right now, but again why not use a cr? Ps, it has a tiny bit less acuracy rating... It's been said, but sidearm slot. People seem to prefer their rail rifles anyways. As for using one or the other, I'd guess some people using the SMG as a primary probably just spec'd into it fully and don't want to spend the SP to get the CR. Oh, and there's no reason to use a standard SMG over an Assault outside of the fitting requirements being much lower for the standard, though that's probably why CCP are removing the assault variants on the scrambler pistol and likely, the SMG come 1.8... so stock up on those assaults before they're no longer on the market place. Sometimes I miss never seeing tanks in a battle... then I remember the mystical flying soma, and I can't help but smile.
Asha Starwind VEXALATION CORPORATION Partners of Industrial Service and Salvage 376	Posted - 2014.02.23 16:26:00 - [34] - Quote Crimson ShieId wrote: NK Scout wrote: Racro 01 Arifistan wrote: the assualt SMG is just better than the standard varient in every way. it has more range more damage more rate of fire. and best of all. a higher accuracy rateing. if you use an ishukone assault SMG your going to love it. good to use when you have awykomi swamr on you adn some pesky reds think your easy prey only to be melted by the godlyness of the ishy assault. Why? Why would anyone use the std smg then? Im looking at its stats right now, but again why not use a cr? Ps, it has a tiny bit less acuracy rating... It's been said, but sidearm slot. People seem to prefer their rail rifles anyways. As for using one or the other, I'd guess some people using the SMG as a primary probably just spec'd into it fully and don't want to spend the SP to get the CR. Oh, and there's no reason to use a standard SMG over an Assault outside of the fitting requirements being much lower for the standard, though that's probably why CCP are removing the assault variants on the scrambler pistol and likely, the SMG come 1.8... so stock up on those assaults before they're no longer on the market place. Removing assault variants? when was this stated? 32db Mad Bomber.
Zahle Undt Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 749	Posted - 2014.02.23 16:35:00 - [35] - Quote Martyr Saboteur wrote: NK Scout wrote: Chuckles Brown wrote: Chunky Munkey wrote: NK Scout wrote: Why use a smg over a combat rifle? And what does the assault smg do better than the regular one? Same damage less range higher rof? Why would anyone use a Scrambler Pistol over a Scrambler Rifle? Answer: you're not supposed to. I would however like to see a fitting reduction for SMGs. It's absurd that there are combat rifles easier to fit than them. I probably shouldn't expose this, but the ScP is the best gun in the game... people don't use it hardly as a primary because it takes skill 7 shots vs armor tankers is bad And my ScR does more dps... You don't even know. Do you? The Scrambler Pistol has the highest DPS in the game. Its a great weapon, no doubt. However, once again, DPS is not everything. ONe has to take into account how easy it is to apply that DPS, how often one has to reload, etc... Most tankers are like sand people. They frighten easily, but will quickly return...and in greater numbers.
Talos Alomar Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 2051	Posted - 2014.02.23 17:13:00 - [36] - Quote Chunky Munkey wrote: NK Scout wrote: Why use a smg over a combat rifle? And what does the assault smg do better than the regular one? Same damage less range higher rof? Why would anyone use a Scrambler Pistol over a Scrambler Rifle? Answer: you're not supposed to. I would however like to see a fitting reduction for SMGs. It's absurd that there are combat rifles easier to fit than them. Headshot bonus and it doesn't overheat. It can outperform the ScR in some CQC situations if you can aim. With the range buff for sidearms (60m for the ScP, IIRC) you can be sure I'll be running dual sidearm fits again. Try to kill it all you want CCP, I still <3 my laser.
Talos Alomar Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 2051	Posted - 2014.02.23 17:18:00 - [37] - Quote Asha Starwind wrote: Removing assault variants? when was this stated? They're not showing up in the list of sidearms coming in 1.8 https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=136371&find=unread Try to kill it all you want CCP, I still <3 my laser.
Awry Barux Ametat Security Amarr Empire 1039	Posted - 2014.02.23 17:18:00 - [38] - Quote NK Scout wrote: Arx Ardashir wrote: NK Scout wrote: Why use a smg over a combat rifle? Please tell me you're asking about some guy you saw who was using an SMG as a primary, and not asknig why people don't stick CRs in their sidearm slot. Im asking in heneral Because... when you run out of bullets in the CR because you're killing several people at once, you need more bullets without needing to take 3-4 seconds reload. Do we really have to go over the benefits of one being a sidearm and one being a light weapon? It's not either or, it's both.
Crimson ShieId Psygod9 D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 100	Posted - 2014.02.23 17:22:00 - [39] - Quote Talos Alomar wrote: Asha Starwind wrote: Removing assault variants? when was this stated? They're not showing up in the list of sidearms coming in 1.8 https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=136371&find=unread What Talos said. I'm guessing CCP finally realized there wasn't much point in using anything aside from the assault variants, so they're likely to remove them, if the spreadsheet data is any indication anyways. Sometimes I miss never seeing tanks in a battle... then I remember the mystical flying soma, and I can't help but smile.
Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 3199	Posted - 2014.02.23 17:24:00 - [40] - Quote Chuckles Brown wrote: Chunky Munkey wrote: NK Scout wrote: Why use a smg over a combat rifle? And what does the assault smg do better than the regular one? Same damage less range higher rof? Why would anyone use a Scrambler Pistol over a Scrambler Rifle? Answer: you're not supposed to. I would however like to see a fitting reduction for SMGs. It's absurd that there are combat rifles easier to fit than them. I probably shouldn't expose this, but the ScP is the best gun in the game... people don't use it hardly as a primary because it takes skill Shh. 12k for a proto weapon No.

Disturbingly Bored The Strontium Asylum 1698	Posted - 2014.02.23 17:25:00 - [41] - Quote Chuckles Brown wrote: SMGs are for those losers that have no gun game and need to resort to spraying at their opponent in hopes to save their engagement. Sir, you may wish to have a doctor examine your butt. It appears to be hurt. As for the OPs question: The only reason to use an SMG over a Combat Rifle is if you have zero SP in a Combat Rifle, or just flat out refuse to use it. The SMG (and the Assault SMG in particular) is a fantastic weapon, but in no way is it better than any of the Assault Rifles. Now the upcoming MagSec SMG, on the other hand, may be better than the Plasma Rifle... I used to own the FAT GAT until this --> [ASCII Art removed - *draconian forum overlord* CCP Logibro]
Dexter307 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar 965	Posted - 2014.02.23 17:46:00 - [42] - Quote Chuckles Brown wrote: SMGs are for those losers that have no gun game and need to resort to spraying at their opponent in hopes to save their engagement. Just like the ones that chuck grenades when they start getting manhandled. "Oh crap, he's shooting me. I better put my gun aside chuck 3 grenades at him while he's still shooting at me and KILLING me. Maybe I'll get a life-after-death victory... Gosh I wish I had gungame..." SMGers... "Hmmm, right now I have 3 gun sidearms to choose from. The Flaylock isn't good because it takes aim, and the Scrambler sucks too because it also takes aim... I'll just take the sprayer SMG, because I'd rather trade a weapon that does insane damage for an easy-mode sprayer." I have no words
Toby Flenderson research lab 284	Posted - 2014.02.23 17:53:00 - [43] - Quote Chuckles Brown wrote: SMGs are for those losers that have no gun game and need to resort to spraying at their opponent in hopes to save their engagement. Just like the ones that chuck grenades when they start getting manhandled. "Oh crap, he's shooting me. I better put my gun aside chuck 3 grenades at him while he's still shooting at me and KILLING me. Maybe I'll get a life-after-death victory... Gosh I wish I had gungame..." SMGers... "Hmmm, right now I have 3 gun sidearms to choose from. The Flaylock isn't good because it takes aim, and the Scrambler sucks too because it also takes aim... I'll just take the sprayer SMG, because I'd rather trade a weapon that does insane damage for an easy-mode sprayer." Haha this made me laugh. The smg is just a better choice for a sidearm regardless of how accurate you are. It has a giant clip so it can take out multiple targets on it's own. It's stronger against armor so it's a nice follow up once you take the enemy down to armor and run out of ammo with your primary. If you're going to criticize SMG users for spray and praying you should just skip to the HMG. Or any weapon in CQ basically. I don't know how you play but I track the enemy while constantly firing. I don't see how this makes you a good player if you're using a SCR pistol but a bad player if you're using an SMG.
Martyr Saboteur Amarrtyrs 154	Posted - 2014.02.23 18:08:00 - [44] - Quote Talos Alomar wrote: Chunky Munkey wrote: NK Scout wrote: Why use a smg over a combat rifle? And what does the assault smg do better than the regular one? Same damage less range higher rof? Why would anyone use a Scrambler Pistol over a Scrambler Rifle? Answer: you're not supposed to. I would however like to see a fitting reduction for SMGs. It's absurd that there are combat rifles easier to fit than them. Headshot bonus and it doesn't overheat. It can outperform the ScR in some CQC situations if you can aim. With the range buff for sidearms (60m for the ScP, IIRC) you can be sure I'll be running dual sidearm fits again. I bet the IA5 Tactical will reach out to about 75m. That will be crazy. Totally not Fizzer94's forum alt. Definitely just a random dude.
Rasatsu Much Crying Old Experts 1079	Posted - 2014.02.23 18:23:00 - [45] - Quote NK Scout wrote: Im asking why do people use the smg over the combat rifle? I see you are a noob in this game... One can not fit a combat rifle in the sidearm slot, as such the question has a high tard ratio.
Delanus Turgias Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 254	Posted - 2014.02.23 18:42:00 - [46] - Quote Asha Starwind wrote: Crimson ShieId wrote: NK Scout wrote: Racro 01 Arifistan wrote: the assualt SMG is just better than the standard varient in every way. it has more range more damage more rate of fire. and best of all. a higher accuracy rateing. if you use an ishukone assault SMG your going to love it. good to use when you have awykomi swamr on you adn some pesky reds think your easy prey only to be melted by the godlyness of the ishy assault. Why? Why would anyone use the std smg then? Im looking at its stats right now, but again why not use a cr? Ps, it has a tiny bit less acuracy rating... It's been said, but sidearm slot. People seem to prefer their rail rifles anyways. As for using one or the other, I'd guess some people using the SMG as a primary probably just spec'd into it fully and don't want to spend the SP to get the CR. Oh, and there's no reason to use a standard SMG over an Assault outside of the fitting requirements being much lower for the standard, though that's probably why CCP are removing the assault variants on the scrambler pistol and likely, the SMG come 1.8... so stock up on those assaults before they're no longer on the market place. Removing assault variants? when was this stated? If you check the post where CCP posted the stats of the new sidearms, they also posted stats for all sidearms currently available and their variants. No Assault SMG or ScP, but there was a Tactical SMG listed. So I assume the Assault variants are being removed. Closed Beta Vet since May, 2012 TEST Alliance Best Alliance Proud owner of essentially every BPO in Dust
Galvan Nized Deep Space Republic 686	Posted - 2014.02.23 18:51:00 - [47] - Quote Chuckles Brown wrote: SMGs are for those losers that have no gun game and need to resort to spraying at their opponent in hopes to save their engagement. Just like the ones that chuck grenades when they start getting manhandled. "Oh crap, he's shooting me. I better put my gun aside chuck 3 grenades at him while he's still shooting at me and KILLING me. Maybe I'll get a life-after-death victory... Gosh I wish I had gungame..." SMGers... "Hmmm, right now I have 3 gun sidearms to choose from. The Flaylock isn't good because it takes aim, and the Scrambler sucks too because it also takes aim... I'll just take the sprayer SMG, because I'd rather trade a weapon that does insane damage for an easy-mode sprayer." If you tell me you think any of the ARs are precision weapons I'm just going to roll over laughing. Or the HMG for that matter. Why the hate on the SMG? Ya it's a spray and pray weapon but definitely not the worst offender, at least it has a down side.
NK Scout Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State 503	Posted - 2014.02.23 18:52:00 - [48] - Quote Rasatsu wrote: NK Scout wrote: Im asking why do people use the smg over the combat rifle? I see you are a noob in this game... One can not fit a combat rifle in the sidearm slot, as such the question has a high tard ratio. Such tard in these posts, now say my question multiple times 2 exile assault rifles, Skinweave cal. frame, Staff recruiter mlt frame Caldari Master Race One day shields, soon.
Omareth Nasadra The New Age Outlaws WINMATAR. 307	Posted - 2014.02.23 18:55:00 - [49] - Quote Delanus Turgias wrote: Asha Starwind wrote: Crimson ShieId wrote: NK Scout wrote: Racro 01 Arifistan wrote: the assualt SMG is just better than the standard varient in every way. it has more range more damage more rate of fire. and best of all. a higher accuracy rateing. if you use an ishukone assault SMG your going to love it. good to use when you have awykomi swamr on you adn some pesky reds think your easy prey only to be melted by the godlyness of the ishy assault. Why? Why would anyone use the std smg then? Im looking at its stats right now, but again why not use a cr? Ps, it has a tiny bit less acuracy rating... It's been said, but sidearm slot. People seem to prefer their rail rifles anyways. As for using one or the other, I'd guess some people using the SMG as a primary probably just spec'd into it fully and don't want to spend the SP to get the CR. Oh, and there's no reason to use a standard SMG over an Assault outside of the fitting requirements being much lower for the standard, though that's probably why CCP are removing the assault variants on the scrambler pistol and likely, the SMG come 1.8... so stock up on those assaults before they're no longer on the market place. Removing assault variants? when was this stated? If you check the post where CCP posted the stats of the new sidearms, they also posted stats for all sidearms currently available and their variants. No Assault SMG or ScP, but there was a Tactical SMG listed. So I assume the Assault variants are being removed. probably because they moving the ishukone to Magsec smg, still worries me, i don't like the six kin it's a spray and pray compared to the assault variant, that ishukone was the only reason i prof V the damn smg Minmatar, In rust we trust!!! Omareth Nasadra/Erynyes
Jaysyn Larrisen OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 756	Posted - 2014.02.23 19:12:00 - [50] - Quote Luna Angelo wrote: I use the Breach SMG, it balances great with my RR. Interesting...i've messed around with them a bit but wanted the higher ROF in the assault SMG to plus up my CQC with my RR. Why do you like the breach SMG better? I figure it will function pretty close to the MagSec so I'm pretty interested. "Endless money forms the sinews of War." - Cicero

Talos Alomar Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 2054	Posted - 2014.02.23 19:32:00 - [51] - Quote Jaysyn Larrisen wrote: Luna Angelo wrote: I use the Breach SMG, it balances great with my RR. Interesting...i've messed around with them a bit but wanted the higher ROF in the assault SMG to plus up my CQC with my RR. Why do you like the breach SMG better? I figure it will function pretty close to the MagSec so I'm pretty interested. Lower ROF makes recoil easier to handle at mid range. At least in my experience anyway. Though I've been thinking about OP's original question. People may run an SMG instead of a CR so they can use stacked sidearm damage mods that would apply to both weapons they can carry. I've got an amarr logi fit that uses an ScP/SMG combo that's rather beastly in CQC. 110+ damage per shot on a scrambler pistol aint nuthin to **** around with. Back that up with a good SMG to finish off enemies who are in armor and it's rather effective. Dual SMGs seems rather redundant. Though I suppose with maxxed min assault skills you can throw a lot of lead downrange before needing to pause for a reload. Try to kill it all you want CCP, I still <3 my laser.
Arx Ardashir Imperium Aeternum 584	Posted - 2014.02.23 21:20:00 - [52] - Quote NK Scout wrote: Such tard in these posts, now say my question multiple times Lol, I'll assume that was in reference to my earlier post, and I did that because you kept asking the question despite people pointing out that the SMG is a sidearm and the Combat Rifle is a Light weapon. You may as well ask why people are using the flaylock instead of the massdriver. I contribute nothing.


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