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NK Scout Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State 496	Posted - 2014.02.23 10:20:00 - [1] - Quote Why use a smg over a combat rifle? And what does the assault smg do better than the regular one? Same damage less range higher rof? 2 exile assault rifles, Skinweave cal. frame, Staff recruiter mlt frame Caldari Master Race One day shields, soon.
Asha Starwind VEXALATION CORPORATION Partners of Industrial Service and Salvage 373	Posted - 2014.02.23 10:23:00 - [2] - Quote can't fit a CR in a sidearm slot, so... CR + SMG CR + Whatev Yolo options SMG + SMG SMG + Sidearm 32db Mad Bomber.
NK Scout Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State 496	Posted - 2014.02.23 10:25:00 - [3] - Quote Asha Starwind wrote: can't fit a CR in a sidearm slot, so... CR + SMG CR + Whatev Yolo options SMG + SMG SMG + Sidearm What advantage does a smg have And how much better is an assault smg? 2 exile assault rifles, Skinweave cal. frame, Staff recruiter mlt frame Caldari Master Race One day shields, soon.
Chuckles Brown 130	Posted - 2014.02.23 10:30:00 - [4] - Quote SMGs are for those losers that have no gun game and need to resort to spraying at their opponent in hopes to save their engagement. Just like the ones that chuck grenades when they start getting manhandled. "Oh crap, he's shooting me. I better put my gun aside chuck 3 grenades at him while he's still shooting at me and KILLING me. Maybe I'll get a life-after-death victory... Gosh I wish I had gungame..." SMGers... "Hmmm, right now I have 3 gun sidearms to choose from. The Flaylock isn't good because it takes aim, and the Scrambler sucks too because it also takes aim... I'll just take the sprayer SMG, because I'd rather trade a weapon that does insane damage for an easy-mode sprayer." The Official alt of 8213 Do you pub, brah?
NK Scout Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State 496	Posted - 2014.02.23 10:32:00 - [5] - Quote Chuckles Brown wrote: SMGs are for those losers that have no gun game and need to resort to spraying at their opponent in hopes to save their engagement. Just like the ones that chuck grenades when they start getting manhandled. "Oh crap, he's shooting me. I better put my gun aside chuck 3 grenades at him while he's still shooting at me and KILLING me. Maybe I'll get a life-after-death victory... Gosh I wish I had gungame..." SMGers... "Hmmm, right now I have 3 gun sidearms to choose from. The Flaylock isn't good because it takes aim, and the Scrambler sucks too because it also takes aim... I'll just take the sprayer SMG, because I'd rather trade a weapon that does insane damage for an easy-mode sprayer." My std cr does more dps than a smg... 2 exile assault rifles, Skinweave cal. frame, Staff recruiter mlt frame Caldari Master Race One day shields, soon.
Asha Starwind VEXALATION CORPORATION Partners of Industrial Service and Salvage 373	Posted - 2014.02.23 10:34:00 - [6] - Quote NK Scout wrote: Asha Starwind wrote: can't fit a CR in a sidearm slot, so... CR + SMG CR + Whatev Yolo options SMG + SMG SMG + Sidearm What advantage does a smg have In what context? You're comparing a sidearm with a primary, apple to oranges w/o context. Quote: And how much better is an assault smg? I just know from personally experience that the assault smg will edge out the smg 9 times out of 10, that extra +17 base dps while it doesn't seem much on paper is apparently significant. 32db Mad Bomber.
NK Scout Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State 496	Posted - 2014.02.23 10:36:00 - [7] - Quote Asha Starwind wrote: NK Scout wrote: Asha Starwind wrote: can't fit a CR in a sidearm slot, so... CR + SMG CR + Whatev Yolo options SMG + SMG SMG + Sidearm What advantage does a smg have In what context? You're comparing a sidearm with a primary, apple to oranges w/o context. Quote: And how much better is an assault smg? I just know from personally experience that the assault smg will edge out the smg 9 times out of 10, that extra +17 base dps while it doesn't seem much on paper is apparently significant. Im asking why do people use the smg over the combat rifle? 2 exile assault rifles, Skinweave cal. frame, Staff recruiter mlt frame Caldari Master Race One day shields, soon.
Racro 01 Arifistan 501st Knights of Leanbox INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 163	Posted - 2014.02.23 10:36:00 - [8] - Quote the assualt SMG is just better than the standard varient in every way. it has more range more damage more rate of fire. and best of all. a higher accuracy rateing. if you use an ishukone assault SMG your going to love it. good to use when you have awykomi swamr on you adn some pesky reds think your easy prey only to be melted by the godlyness of the ishy assault.
NK Scout Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State 496	Posted - 2014.02.23 10:40:00 - [9] - Quote Racro 01 Arifistan wrote: the assualt SMG is just better than the standard varient in every way. it has more range more damage more rate of fire. and best of all. a higher accuracy rateing. if you use an ishukone assault SMG your going to love it. good to use when you have awykomi swamr on you adn some pesky reds think your easy prey only to be melted by the godlyness of the ishy assault. Why? Why would anyone use the std smg then? Im looking at its stats right now, but again why not use a cr? Ps, it has a tiny bit less acuracy rating... 2 exile assault rifles, Skinweave cal. frame, Staff recruiter mlt frame Caldari Master Race One day shields, soon.
Racro 01 Arifistan 501st Knights of Leanbox INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 164	Posted - 2014.02.23 10:42:00 - [10] - Quote NK Scout wrote: Racro 01 Arifistan wrote: the assualt SMG is just better than the standard varient in every way. it has more range more damage more rate of fire. and best of all. a higher accuracy rateing. if you use an ishukone assault SMG your going to love it. good to use when you have awykomi swamr on you adn some pesky reds think your easy prey only to be melted by the godlyness of the ishy assault. Why? Why would anyone use the std smg then? Im looking at its stats right now, but again why not use a cr? Ps, it has a tiny bit less acuracy rating... cause i dont like the comabt rifle and i have had smg since day. and makeing kills with ishy assult at 70m is freakin hilariours and the combat rifle sucks due to the burst mechaninc. and i prefer my smg as it compelments my laser rifle and wykiomi swarms. and its also fun on LOLSMG scout.

NK Scout Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State 496	Posted - 2014.02.23 10:43:00 - [11] - Quote Racro 01 Arifistan wrote: NK Scout wrote: Racro 01 Arifistan wrote: the assualt SMG is just better than the standard varient in every way. it has more range more damage more rate of fire. and best of all. a higher accuracy rateing. if you use an ishukone assault SMG your going to love it. good to use when you have awykomi swamr on you adn some pesky reds think your easy prey only to be melted by the godlyness of the ishy assault. Why? Why would anyone use the std smg then? Im looking at its stats right now, but again why not use a cr? Ps, it has a tiny bit less acuracy rating... cause i dont like the comabt rifle and i have had smg since day. and makeing kills with ishy assult at 70m is freakin hilariours and the combat rifle sucks due to the burst mechaninc. and i prefer my smg as it compelments my laser rifle and wykiomi swarms. and its also fun on LOLSMG scout. I tried it on an alt Really tempted to spend my mil sp on scout 3 and smg 4 2 exile assault rifles, Skinweave cal. frame, Staff recruiter mlt frame Caldari Master Race One day shields, soon.
Racro 01 Arifistan 501st Knights of Leanbox INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 164	Posted - 2014.02.23 10:44:00 - [12] - Quote NK Scout wrote: Racro 01 Arifistan wrote: NK Scout wrote: Racro 01 Arifistan wrote: the assualt SMG is just better than the standard varient in every way. it has more range more damage more rate of fire. and best of all. a higher accuracy rateing. if you use an ishukone assault SMG your going to love it. good to use when you have awykomi swamr on you adn some pesky reds think your easy prey only to be melted by the godlyness of the ishy assault. Why? Why would anyone use the std smg then? Im looking at its stats right now, but again why not use a cr? Ps, it has a tiny bit less acuracy rating... cause i dont like the comabt rifle and i have had smg since day. and makeing kills with ishy assult at 70m is freakin hilariours and the combat rifle sucks due to the burst mechaninc. and i prefer my smg as it compelments my laser rifle and wykiomi swarms. and its also fun on LOLSMG scout. I tried it on an alt Really tempted to spend my mil sp on scout 3 and smg 4 try the cala's 77 smg. NOW THAT IS SOME RIDICULOS BULLSHIT
NK Scout Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State 496	Posted - 2014.02.23 10:45:00 - [13] - Quote Racro 01 Arifistan wrote: NK Scout wrote: Racro 01 Arifistan wrote: NK Scout wrote: Racro 01 Arifistan wrote: the assualt SMG is just better than the standard varient in every way. it has more range more damage more rate of fire. and best of all. a higher accuracy rateing. if you use an ishukone assault SMG your going to love it. good to use when you have awykomi swamr on you adn some pesky reds think your easy prey only to be melted by the godlyness of the ishy assault. Why? Why would anyone use the std smg then? Im looking at its stats right now, but again why not use a cr? Ps, it has a tiny bit less acuracy rating... cause i dont like the comabt rifle and i have had smg since day. and makeing kills with ishy assult at 70m is freakin hilariours and the combat rifle sucks due to the burst mechaninc. and i prefer my smg as it compelments my laser rifle and wykiomi swarms. and its also fun on LOLSMG scout. I tried it on an alt Really tempted to spend my mil sp on scout 3 and smg 4 try the cala's 77 smg. NOW THAT IS SOME RIDICULOS BULLSHIT I have a bunch of those Cant use em thouh, I need them as part of a deal... When ccp anounces the respec smg 4 and scout 3 here I come! Then cal scout 5 when 1.8 drops 2 exile assault rifles, Skinweave cal. frame, Staff recruiter mlt frame Caldari Master Race One day shields, soon.
Luna Angelo We Who Walk Alone 778	Posted - 2014.02.23 10:50:00 - [14] - Quote I use the Breach SMG, it balances great with my RR. I don't need luck, I have ammo. Wolves don't lose sleep over the opinions of sheep. CEO of We Who Walk Alone
Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 3190	Posted - 2014.02.23 10:53:00 - [15] - Quote Chuckles Brown wrote: SMGs are for those losers that have no gun game and need to resort to spraying at their opponent in hopes to save their engagement. Just like the ones that chuck grenades when they start getting manhandled. "Oh crap, he's shooting me. I better put my gun aside chuck 3 grenades at him while he's still shooting at me and KILLING me. Maybe I'll get a life-after-death victory... Gosh I wish I had gungame..." SMGers... "Hmmm, right now I have 3 gun sidearms to choose from. The Flaylock isn't good because it takes aim, and the Scrambler sucks too because it also takes aim... I'll just take the sprayer SMG, because I'd rather trade a weapon that does insane damage for an easy-mode sprayer." U mad bro? No.
Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 3190	Posted - 2014.02.23 10:56:00 - [16] - Quote NK Scout wrote: Why use a smg over a combat rifle? And what does the assault smg do better than the regular one? Same damage less range higher rof? Why would anyone use a Scrambler Pistol over a Scrambler Rifle? Answer: you're not supposed to. I would however like to see a fitting reduction for SMGs. It's absurd that there are combat rifles easier to fit than them. No.
Racro 01 Arifistan 501st Knights of Leanbox INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 164	Posted - 2014.02.23 11:08:00 - [17] - Quote Chunky Munkey wrote: NK Scout wrote: Why use a smg over a combat rifle? And what does the assault smg do better than the regular one? Same damage less range higher rof? Why would anyone use a Scrambler Pistol over a Scrambler Rifle? Answer: you're not supposed to. I would however like to see a fitting reduction for SMGs. It's absurd that there are combat rifles easier to fit than them. i agree with this. as std minmattar fitting goes. thier weaponry is absurdly easier to fit. to conincied with thier low pg/cpu. iam confused as to why the smg costs more to fit than the combat rifle. although 1-2 compex sidarm mods with ishy assault is retartdley OP i mena. i have a wykomi and some guy with ar shoots me form 40m so i whip out ishy assault and scope down. (also submachine sharpshooter makes this ridiculs'ness even worse.) and obliterayte mr.AR.
Chuckles Brown 130	Posted - 2014.02.23 11:21:00 - [18] - Quote Chunky Munkey wrote: NK Scout wrote: Why use a smg over a combat rifle? And what does the assault smg do better than the regular one? Same damage less range higher rof? Why would anyone use a Scrambler Pistol over a Scrambler Rifle? Answer: you're not supposed to. I would however like to see a fitting reduction for SMGs. It's absurd that there are combat rifles easier to fit than them. I probably shouldn't expose this, but the ScP is the best gun in the game... people don't use it hardly as a primary because it takes skill The Official alt of 8213 Do you pub, brah?
Asher Night Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 458	Posted - 2014.02.23 11:23:00 - [19] - Quote Chuckles Brown wrote: SMGs are for those losers that have no gun game and need to resort to spraying at their opponent in hopes to save their engagement. Just like the ones that chuck grenades when they start getting manhandled. "Oh crap, he's shooting me. I better put my gun aside chuck 3 grenades at him while he's still shooting at me and KILLING me. Maybe I'll get a life-after-death victory... Gosh I wish I had gungame..." SMGers... "Hmmm, right now I have 3 gun sidearms to choose from. The Flaylock isn't good because it takes aim, and the Scrambler sucks too because it also takes aim... I'll just take the sprayer SMG, because I'd rather trade a weapon that does insane damage for an easy-mode sprayer." lolwut As someon who uses the SMG/Pistol/Knife in every FPS I ever play, I can tell you right now - the SMG in this game takes more skill than in any other game. It's so insanely weak and the aiming in this game is garbage, so headshots are inconsistent. If you get a kill with the SMG in this game, and it wasn't against a puny no hp scout, then you deserve that kill. The Ishu SMG is pretty good, but it takes a ton of CPU, so it's worth it. You need to calm down though - most weapons in this game have tons of ammo. The HMG, the AR, the CR, all have over 50 bullets - I'd say any of them can qualify as spray and pray weapons. The devs gave you so many bullets because the aiming system in this game is garbage. I remember in the beta people would strafe back and forth, miss every shot, and then just run around each other trying to melee. The aiming system in this game is unfamiliar compared to other FPS's - and I don't just mean CoD so get over yourself - and it turns a lot of people away. As garbage usually does repulse people.
NK Scout Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State 496	Posted - 2014.02.23 11:28:00 - [20] - Quote Chuckles Brown wrote: Chunky Munkey wrote: NK Scout wrote: Why use a smg over a combat rifle? And what does the assault smg do better than the regular one? Same damage less range higher rof? Why would anyone use a Scrambler Pistol over a Scrambler Rifle? Answer: you're not supposed to. I would however like to see a fitting reduction for SMGs. It's absurd that there are combat rifles easier to fit than them. I probably shouldn't expose this, but the ScP is the best gun in the game... people don't use it hardly as a primary because it takes skill 7 shots vs armor tankers is bad And my ScR does more dps... 2 exile assault rifles, Skinweave cal. frame, Staff recruiter mlt frame Caldari Master Race One day shields, soon.

Arx Ardashir Imperium Aeternum 582	Posted - 2014.02.23 12:31:00 - [21] - Quote NK Scout wrote: Why use a smg over a combat rifle? NK Scout wrote: Why use a smg over a combat rifle? NK Scout wrote: Why use a smg over a combat rifle? NK Scout wrote: Why use a smg over a combat rifle? Please tell me you're asking about some guy you saw who was using an SMG as a primary, and not asknig why people don't stick CRs in their sidearm slot. I contribute nothing.
NK Scout Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State 496	Posted - 2014.02.23 12:48:00 - [22] - Quote Arx Ardashir wrote: NK Scout wrote: Why use a smg over a combat rifle? NK Scout wrote: Why use a smg over a combat rifle? NK Scout wrote: Why use a smg over a combat rifle? NK Scout wrote: Why use a smg over a combat rifle? Please tell me you're asking about some guy you saw who was using an SMG as a primary, and not asknig why people don't stick CRs in their sidearm slot. Im asking in heneral 2 exile assault rifles, Skinweave cal. frame, Staff recruiter mlt frame Caldari Master Race One day shields, soon.
Mortedeamor Imperfects Negative-Feedback 1409	Posted - 2014.02.23 13:01:00 - [23] - Quote NK Scout wrote: Asha Starwind wrote: NK Scout wrote: Asha Starwind wrote: can't fit a CR in a sidearm slot, so... CR + SMG CR + Whatev Yolo options SMG + SMG SMG + Sidearm What advantage does a smg have In what context? You're comparing a sidearm with a primary, apple to oranges w/o context. Quote: And how much better is an assault smg? I just know from personally experience that the assault smg will edge out the smg 9 times out of 10, that extra +17 base dps while it doesn't seem much on paper is apparently significant. Im asking why do people use the smg over the combat rifle? because ive been using smg since closed beta refuse to spec combat rifle and as an amarian my light weapon slot is taken by amarian gear A laser rifle master for life not just for when it becomes popular Long Live the Empress Burn the Heretics
Beld Errmon 0uter.Heaven 1400	Posted - 2014.02.23 13:07:00 - [24] - Quote I've got a suit thats stacked with sidearm dmg mods carries a proto SMG and scrambler pistol, quite gimmicky but in CQC it can be a lot of fun, i've little doubt though an assault CR with stacked dmg mods would kill just as quickly, but sometimes its nice to change things up.
Mortedeamor Imperfects Negative-Feedback 1409	Posted - 2014.02.23 13:07:00 - [25] - Quote Chuckles Brown wrote: SMGs are for those losers that have no gun game and need to resort to spraying at their opponent in hopes to save their engagement. Just like the ones that chuck grenades when they start getting manhandled. "Oh crap, he's shooting me. I better put my gun aside chuck 3 grenades at him while he's still shooting at me and KILLING me. Maybe I'll get a life-after-death victory... Gosh I wish I had gungame..." SMGers... "Hmmm, right now I have 3 gun sidearms to choose from. The Flaylock isn't good because it takes aim, and the Scrambler sucks too because it also takes aim... I'll just take the sprayer SMG, because I'd rather trade a weapon that does insane damage for an easy-mode sprayer." considering how the effectiveness of smg is drastically raised by aiming i disagree with you. aiming is crucial to using an smg reliably in competitive wf even in cqc when facing an enemies back the smg aimed shreds much faster than the hip fired smg. there is a time and place for aiming and for hip firing with any weapon and with smg the time and place to hip fire is very specific. and op.. the stnd smg has lower dps than the assault but its kick seems slightly easier to control the breach smg has much longer range than all other smg's and does more dmg per shot..(i consider the breach the best clean up side arm) the assault has the highest dps weakest range but kill the fastest at in your face range. i would use stnd or assault smg to compliment a medium ranged suit but breach smg to compliment a longer range suit for example breach smg is used on my lr so i can close from 54..-34 and be effective at 34.. lr ranges are 54-84...with a normal smg cqc-20 m that leaves me with a wide open space where i am not effective vs breach leaves me with a much smaller space. properly leveled up the breach smg is like a low rof assault rifle A laser rifle master for life not just for when it becomes popular Long Live the Empress Burn the Heretics
Vrain Matari Mikramurka Shock Troop Minmatar Republic 1663	Posted - 2014.02.23 13:07:00 - [26] - Quote Asher Night wrote: Chuckles Brown wrote: SMGs are for those losers that have no gun game and need to resort to spraying at their opponent in hopes to save their engagement. Just like the ones that chuck grenades when they start getting manhandled. "Oh crap, he's shooting me. I better put my gun aside chuck 3 grenades at him while he's still shooting at me and KILLING me. Maybe I'll get a life-after-death victory... Gosh I wish I had gungame..." SMGers... "Hmmm, right now I have 3 gun sidearms to choose from. The Flaylock isn't good because it takes aim, and the Scrambler sucks too because it also takes aim... I'll just take the sprayer SMG, because I'd rather trade a weapon that does insane damage for an easy-mode sprayer." lolwut As someon who uses the SMG/Pistol/Knife in every FPS I ever play, I can tell you right now - the SMG in this game takes more skill than in any other game. It's so insanely weak and the aiming in this game is garbage, so headshots are inconsistent. If you get a kill with the SMG in this game, and it wasn't against a puny no hp scout, then you deserve that kill. The Ishu SMG is pretty good, but it takes a ton of CPU, so it's worth it. You need to calm down though - most weapons in this game have tons of ammo. The HMG, the AR, the CR, all have over 50 bullets - I'd say any of them can qualify as spray and pray weapons. The devs gave you so many bullets because the aiming system in this game is garbage. I remember in the beta people would strafe back and forth, miss every shot, and then just run around each other trying to melee. The aiming system in this game is unfamiliar compared to other FPS's - and I don't just mean CoD so get over yourself - and it turns a lot of people away. As garbage usually does repulse people. Great to hear somebody call out DUST's core mechanic, instead of asking for more content and EVE connection. If peeps wanna know why new players are bailing on New Eden while still in the academy, here's your answer. It only take an experienced FPSer a couple of games to uncover the second-rate implementation of core FPS values. I support SP rollover.
Operative 1171 Aajli Bragian Order Amarr Empire 1297	Posted - 2014.02.23 14:02:00 - [27] - Quote NK Scout wrote: Why use a smg over a combat rifle? And what does the assault smg do better than the regular one? Same damage less range higher rof? SMG can always be there whether also running an RR, sniper rifle, MD, SG or SL. Rommel, you magnificent bastard, I read your book!
Scheneighnay McBob Learning Coalition College 4121	Posted - 2014.02.23 14:10:00 - [28] - Quote The sidearm thing; and I don't have any CBR BPOs. A Toxin with a high sharp shooter level is godly. I am your scan error.
Martyr Saboteur Amarrtyrs 150	Posted - 2014.02.23 14:35:00 - [29] - Quote Chuckles Brown wrote: Chunky Munkey wrote: NK Scout wrote: Why use a smg over a combat rifle? And what does the assault smg do better than the regular one? Same damage less range higher rof? Why would anyone use a Scrambler Pistol over a Scrambler Rifle? Answer: you're not supposed to. I would however like to see a fitting reduction for SMGs. It's absurd that there are combat rifles easier to fit than them. I probably shouldn't expose this, but the ScP is the best gun in the game... people don't use it hardly as a primary because it takes skill Shhhhhhhhh! Totally not Fizzer94's forum alt. Definitely just a random dude.
Martyr Saboteur Amarrtyrs 150	Posted - 2014.02.23 14:40:00 - [30] - Quote NK Scout wrote: Chuckles Brown wrote: Chunky Munkey wrote: NK Scout wrote: Why use a smg over a combat rifle? And what does the assault smg do better than the regular one? Same damage less range higher rof? Why would anyone use a Scrambler Pistol over a Scrambler Rifle? Answer: you're not supposed to. I would however like to see a fitting reduction for SMGs. It's absurd that there are combat rifles easier to fit than them. I probably shouldn't expose this, but the ScP is the best gun in the game... people don't use it hardly as a primary because it takes skill 7 shots vs armor tankers is bad And my ScR does more dps... You don't even know. Do you? The Scrambler Pistol has the highest DPS in the game. Totally not Fizzer94's forum alt. Definitely just a random dude.



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