No, AVing needs to be a role. If you want to keep your Rifle and Swarm Launcher, get a Commando suit. They're being buffed.

You know for the most part most anti vehicle weapons in this modern age, and please do correct me if I am wrong, are far to heavy just to slight across the back, with full combat gear, and a rifle, side arm, grenades, basic survival and medical equipment, etc.

AV does not need to be changed, it is sitting in a strong place. Vehicles have to be changed to be balanced against AV.

No, AVing needs to be a role. If you want to keep your Rifle and Swarm Launcher, get a Commando suit. They're being buffed.

Av did this to themselves to be honest. Tower camping all the time, blowing up very expensive vehicles for pennies on the dollar from insane range. The tanks really went overboard tho. Anyway if every infantry had av, and from the sound of it you want them to be 1.6 strength then we should just remove vehicles now. There should be dedicated av, just like there are dedicated vehicle pilots (granted right now anyone can be a tanker) yes it needs to be stronger, or have more options, but not as strong as it was in 1.6. There was a justifiable argument from vehicle pilots that av was too strong. Let's not go there again.

most av in rl which is effective in the ranges of dusts maps is man portable and carried as standard by multiple members of a squad

Still requires set up time though.

most av in rl which is effective in the ranges of dusts maps is man portable and carried as standard by multiple members of a squad

You know for the most part most anti vehicle weapons in this modern age, and please do correct me if I am wrong, are far to heavy just to slight across the back, with full combat gear, and a rifle, side arm, grenades, basic survival and medical equipment, etc.

AV does not need to be changed, it is sitting in a strong place. Vehicles have to be changed to be balanced against AV.

a class who carries av as a specialised piece of equipment and not as a main weapon (this includes rl)

dust is the only one i can think of that makes you carry it as a main weapon. that is why we will never have balance on tank/av issues. because what it boils down to is why carry a weapon that struggles to kill a single guy in a vehicle when i can carry a weapon that is excellent at killing his 15 friends not to mention that a mlt weapon is far more efficient killer than for instance a few guys with proto SL with 3 complex damage mods each

until light av is made into a secondary role which everyone can use with their normal fighting ability then there can be no balance

this has always been the issue.

pre 1.7 every team had 1 or 2 SL players because that was all that was needed. there was no need for more as it was highly effective and there was plenty of combat troops available to protect these users. problem with that was if made tanks weak and promoted a huge buff to tanks and a reduction to effectiveness to av. this then had its own problem as now it needs more av to kill a tank but there is not enough of it on the field. the reason for this is fitting av weapons leaves you at a massive disadvantage to all infantry and even the tanks you are trying to kill. to field enough av to kill 1 tank now means far less infantry to protect these players and they are completely destroyed within seconds of firing the first shots. the reason for this is everyone knows now av players are defenceless with their sidearms against every light weapon user so enemy will actually go out of their way to kill av players for easy kills.

what we need is av weapons to be secondary to all normal weapons either by becoming sidearms or equipment because they are completely situational. in doing this i see no reason why ccp couldn't keep tanks and av as they currently are including the hardener stacking etc as there would be potential for everyone to carry av with them at all times meaning more players to counter tanks

Even a mortar and a heavy machine gun are carried in three pieces by three guys. You whiners be happy you can carry an HMG and an FG on your shoulder as a one man AV army.

Commandos arent defenseless with sl, they just suck.

Think about it like this.

When your in a tank, you sacrifice the ability to move very precisely, to aim all the way up, and to cap obbys.

Then your counter, can be wielded by anybody, is very cheap to use, and without any of your drawbacks.


The issue revolves around HAVs (DSs and LAVs aren't very much an issue) eating SL volleys like cake, combined with resistance mods that make them nigh invulnerable.

a class who carries av as a specialised piece of equipment and not as a main weapon (this includes rl)

dust is the only one i can think of that makes you carry it as a main weapon. that is why we will never have balance on tank/av issues. because what it boils down to is why carry a weapon that struggles to kill a single guy in a vehicle when i can carry a weapon that is excellent at killing his 15 friends not to mention that a mlt weapon is far more efficient killer than for instance a few guys with proto SL with 3 complex damage mods each

until light av is made into a secondary role which everyone can use with their normal fighting ability then there can be no balance

this has always been the issue.

pre 1.7 every team had 1 or 2 SL players because that was all that was needed. there was no need for more as it was highly effective and there was plenty of combat troops available to protect these users. problem with that was if made tanks weak and promoted a huge buff to tanks and a reduction to effectiveness to av. this then had its own problem as now it needs more av to kill a tank but there is not enough of it on the field. the reason for this is fitting av weapons leaves you at a massive disadvantage to all infantry and even the tanks you are trying to kill. to field enough av to kill 1 tank now means far less infantry to protect these players and they are completely destroyed within seconds of firing the first shots. the reason for this is everyone knows now av players are defenceless with their sidearms against every light weapon user so enemy will actually go out of their way to kill av players for easy kills.

what we need is av weapons to be secondary to all normal weapons either by becoming sidearms or equipment because they are completely situational. in doing this i see no reason why ccp couldn't keep tanks and av as they currently are including the hardener stacking etc as there would be potential for everyone to carry av with them at all times meaning more players to counter tanks

you are missing the point i'm trying to make. you cannot be effective at av if you cannot defend yourself against anything and be weak against everything. fact is av while it is much needed when tanks are about is not needed when they are not and this leaves a huge imbalance as how can a av player afford to run with av gear just incase vehicles appear. most players are happy to just forget about tanks and hide while killing and with balance as it is that makes the av role pointless. its too expensive, fitting intensive and weak. this means that to roll with it all the time as a role is completely impractical and costly.

there needs to be a way for av to move with the battle regardless of if tanks or vehicles are about so that when they do appear players can react accordingly. its completely wrong to expect a player to take av and die stupid amounts of times when no vehicles are about so they can be ready to fulfill their role when there are. the same goes for why should players have to die before spawning in av gear.

fact is AV and assault should be working together. av players carries the av and assaults carry the ammo hives and when needed they support each other. this is the allround balance av needs in order to balance it with vehicles.