logi is a role
assault is a role,
heavy is a role,
scout is a role,
tank driver is a role,
dropship pilot is a role,
not sure what commando is

av is not a role. its a piece of equipment or a weapon just like hives or scanners. yet when you fit a piece of av you are automatically branded an av player and expected to die fast and do little damage.

its a situational piece of equipment. its not treated as such and thats a problem in itself

Well guys this is the thing

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_Gustav_recoilless_rifle

Have used it in real war and trust me this old gun that dates 1948 insta kills any tank in one blow and is deployed buy one infantry soldier.

Used buy most special forces in the world

Regards

Ps belive me when I say this thing makes some pretty nasty fire works. =ƒÿê

Edit : http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/AT4

This is the modern version ( one time use only )

Even a mortar and a heavy machine gun are carried in three pieces by three guys. You whiners be happy you can carry an HMG and an FG on your shoulder as a one man AV army.

logi is a role
assault is a role,
heavy is a role,
scout is a role,
tank driver is a role,
dropship pilot is a role,
not sure what commando is

av is not a role. its a piece of equipment or a weapon just like hives or scanners. yet when you fit a piece of av you are automatically branded an av player and expected to die fast and do little damage.

its a situational piece of equipment. its not treated as such and thats a problem in itself

a class who carries av as a specialised piece of equipment and not as a main weapon (this includes rl)

you are missing the point i'm trying to make. you cannot be effective at av if you cannot defend yourself against anything and be weak against everything. fact is av while it is much needed when tanks are about is not needed when they are not and this leaves a huge imbalance as how can a av player afford to run with av gear just incase vehicles appear. most players are happy to just forget about tanks and hide while killing and with balance as it is that makes the av role pointless. its too expensive, fitting intensive and weak. this means that to roll with it all the time as a role is completely impractical and costly.

there needs to be a way for av to move with the battle regardless of if tanks or vehicles are about so that when they do appear players can react accordingly. its completely wrong to expect a player to take av and die stupid amounts of times when no vehicles are about so they can be ready to fulfill their role when there are. the same goes for why should players have to die before spawning in av gear.

fact is AV and assault should be working together. av players carries the av and assaults carry the ammo hives and when needed they support each other. this is the allround balance av needs in order to balance it with vehicles.

Gustav's are still in service within the U.S. Infantry divisions. Pretty scary weapon. Oh if only mr Plasma Cannon....

.....Sweden, the most peaceful country in the world :|

a class who carries av as a specialised piece of equipment and not as a main weapon (this includes rl)

dust is the only one i can think of that makes you carry it as a main weapon. that is why we will never have balance on tank/av issues. because what it boils down to is why carry a weapon that struggles to kill a single guy in a vehicle when i can carry a weapon that is excellent at killing his 15 friends not to mention that a mlt weapon is far more efficient killer than for instance a few guys with proto SL with 3 complex damage mods each

until light av is made into a secondary role which everyone can use with their normal fighting ability then there can be no balance

this has always been the issue.

pre 1.7 every team had 1 or 2 SL players because that was all that was needed. there was no need for more as it was highly effective and there was plenty of combat troops available to protect these users. problem with that was if made tanks weak and promoted a huge buff to tanks and a reduction to effectiveness to av. this then had its own problem as now it needs more av to kill a tank but there is not enough of it on the field. the reason for this is fitting av weapons leaves you at a massive disadvantage to all infantry and even the tanks you are trying to kill. to field enough av to kill 1 tank now means far less infantry to protect these players and they are completely destroyed within seconds of firing the first shots. the reason for this is everyone knows now av players are defenceless with their sidearms against every light weapon user so enemy will actually go out of their way to kill av players for easy kills.

what we need is av weapons to be secondary to all normal weapons either by becoming sidearms or equipment because they are completely situational. in doing this i see no reason why ccp couldn't keep tanks and av as they currently are including the hardener stacking etc as there would be potential for everyone to carry av with them at all times meaning more players to counter tanks

You know for the most part most anti vehicle weapons in this modern age, and please do correct me if I am wrong, are far to heavy just to slight across the back, with full combat gear, and a rifle, side arm, grenades, basic survival and medical equipment, etc.

AV does not need to be changed, it is sitting in a strong place. Vehicles have to be changed to be balanced against AV.

most av in rl which is effective in the ranges of dusts maps is man portable and carried as standard by multiple members of a squad

a class who carries av as a specialised piece of equipment and not as a main weapon (this includes rl)

dust is the only one i can think of that makes you carry it as a main weapon. that is why we will never have balance on tank/av issues. because what it boils down to is why carry a weapon that struggles to kill a single guy in a vehicle when i can carry a weapon that is excellent at killing his 15 friends not to mention that a mlt weapon is far more efficient killer than for instance a few guys with proto SL with 3 complex damage mods each

until light av is made into a secondary role which everyone can use with their normal fighting ability then there can be no balance

this has always been the issue.

pre 1.7 every team had 1 or 2 SL players because that was all that was needed. there was no need for more as it was highly effective and there was plenty of combat troops available to protect these users. problem with that was if made tanks weak and promoted a huge buff to tanks and a reduction to effectiveness to av. this then had its own problem as now it needs more av to kill a tank but there is not enough of it on the field. the reason for this is fitting av weapons leaves you at a massive disadvantage to all infantry and even the tanks you are trying to kill. to field enough av to kill 1 tank now means far less infantry to protect these players and they are completely destroyed within seconds of firing the first shots. the reason for this is everyone knows now av players are defenceless with their sidearms against every light weapon user so enemy will actually go out of their way to kill av players for easy kills.

what we need is av weapons to be secondary to all normal weapons either by becoming sidearms or equipment because they are completely situational. in doing this i see no reason why ccp couldn't keep tanks and av as they currently are including the hardener stacking etc as there would be potential for everyone to carry av with them at all times meaning more players to counter tanks

Well guys this is the thing

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_Gustav_recoilless_rifle

Have used it in real war and trust me this old gun that dates 1948 insta kills any tank in one blow and is deployed buy one infantry soldier.

Used buy most special forces in the world

Regards

Ps belive me when I say this thing makes some pretty nasty fire works. =ƒÿê

Edit : http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/AT4

This is the modern version ( one time use only )

Av did this to themselves to be honest. Tower camping all the time, blowing up very expensive vehicles for pennies on the dollar from insane range.

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thats the issue. they knew tanks were not working so they completely reworked them. the only problem is they barely touched av which was also broken. reworking or buffing/nerfing an item against a broken item doesn't fix any problems