this is why ccp will keep failing,new people come on to try dust and is chased off by these old corps who pub stomp noobs then brag about, ccp needs to make a server for. noobs and one for pro's if not this game will not make it by the end of the year.I see there hasnt even been a change in how many people play in a year still only the same 3000 people play this thank god ccp is to stupid to make a ps4 version

The only people who don't agree that DUST 514 in it's current state can not retain an new player for very long are people who:

- Joined with friends or got right into a active corp so they had people to rage with (makes things so much better having people to talk to in the same match feeling what you feel)
- Got insta-locked into the promise of the future DUST 514 sells so well and pushes themselves through it for that vague and possibly never reached vision (I believe it's about half and half to be honest.)
- Or people like me (and most of the people still here in DUST 514) that joined DUST either in CBT or OBT and grinded with everyone at the start. WE DIDN'T GET ANY OF THESE PROBLEMS BECAUSE WE WERE ALL IN STD/BPO GEAR! We were being smart and leveling our cores and saving ISK which is the reason why some of us who aren't even in PC have 500m+.

If anyone wasn't doing that and went straight into the proto suit and some weapon then we crushed them, T-Bagged the corps, and that person didn't spawn in that suit anymore because he didn't have the ISK to try that again after getting his ass handed to him by a BPO Raven suit with more base EHP, Fitting power, and core passives.

We don't have the right to tell newbies to HTFU. We didn't have to AT ALL. I don't even make alts because playing on them is god aweful. And I KNOW HOW TO PLAY THE GAME. I can't imagine what it's like for a new person who just picked a free game up off of PSN. That **** would have been off my system in an hour if I was a newb and made a new character now. Starting out in EvE is no where near this brutal. I just recenrly mad e a 2 month old pilot in eve for the first time ever using a 2 month free code. Easiest thing in the world to get started.


DUST 514 has a new player retention issue. Just accept it and think of a way to fix it instead of trying to tell people it's fine. People are stupid but if you beat a dog long enough even it will figure out that that's not good.


P.S. Btw I'm not backing you up OP. I think your a prick making a post like that even if your point is valid.

Funny.

I remember people saying the same thing about Eve Online 11 years ago. Then 5 years ago about Eve. Then last year about Eve. And still I keep running into people in Eve Online who think Eve Online is broken.

Well, Eve Online is still here and competing well.

CCP developed Eve Online.

If only DUST shared basically any similarities with EVE, and also lacked competition like EVE did.

Different games are different.

Eve lacking competition?

World of Warcraft
Guild Wars
X Rebirth

Of course, WoW and GW are dragons and fantasy compared to Eve's scifi, but they are technically mmo games.

The most hilarious part is that he thinks high sec newbs don't have anything valuable in high sec. Lol

You do realize EvE starts new players out in highsec, where no one is going to kill them. Sure its possible to, but no one would because newbs don't have anything valuable. Dust throws you to the wolves almost immediately. The equivalent in EvE would be to set up starting systems as a single highsec system in the middle of null security space.

It doesen't matter because Eve has been plagued by the same kind of b!tching and of the same amount.

Hence, there's no reason to take it very seriously.

Determined and commited hardcore players will find their way to dust as they did to Eve.

Whiny scrubs will leave, and I sure as hell won't miss 'em...

We need PVE

Start new players to PVE to start
After a while allow them to join academy matches
After a certain amount of matches and sp earned (~25 matches and 5mil SP) move them to normal MP

Funny.

I remember people saying the same thing about Eve Online 11 years ago. Then 5 years ago about Eve. Then last year about Eve. And still I keep running into people in Eve Online who think Eve Online is broken.

Well, Eve Online is still here and competing well.

CCP developed Eve Online.

Ugh... this tired old argument lol

You need to understand Eve and Dust are two completely different genres on two completely different systems. The console crowd are a much more fickle, unforgiving crowd than the PC gaming crowd. The FPS console crowd is probably the most unforgiving niche you can find. Look up a video of someone raging over a video game. Chances are it's an FPS.

If I wrote an amazing, breathtaking book, do you think I should be able to make an amazing, breathtaking movie as well? Just because one succeeds doesn't mean the other will.

I hope Dust turns out alright, but playing this game it is incredibly obvious that CCP are new to FPS's. They knew this game would have issues which is why they were smart enough not to charge for it. Imagine just how beyond dead this game would be if you had to pay money to play it. I wouldn't buy this game in it's current state and it's been out 9 months.

It's as if CCP's "10 year plan" is to have a playable game... in 10 years.

It was not a walk through the park back then either. Small missile turrets had the blast radius of a football field, 1 tank on the field was worse than it is now, and fused locus grenade scouts were a big thing.

And yet another one misses the point. Eve Online was competing against EA's Earth & Beyond when it first came out. Everyone thought Eve would crumble under E&B but instead E&B collapsed and Eve grew stronger. I heard the same thing about Xplane competing against Microsoft Flight Simulator with everyone thinking MSFS will win. MSFS got discontinued and got bought up by Lockheed Martin.

My overall point, which you missed, is that I have heard this before and usually this ended up with the doomsayers being wrong.

Funny.

I remember people saying the same thing about Eve Online 11 years ago. Then 5 years ago about Eve. Then last year about Eve. And still I keep running into people in Eve Online who think Eve Online is broken.

Well, Eve Online is still here and competing well.

CCP developed Eve Online.

When will Dust 514 start competing with other shooters?

^ lol