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Spkr4theDead
Red Star. EoN.
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Posted - 2014.02.20 04:52:00 -
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Vegetation Monster wrote:When you allow 6 proto gal logis or 6 tankers to get together, then you let your game rust because noobs like me get proto stomped every other match. I would fight back with my proto gear but it's not worth it because isk payout is so low that I cannot afford to lose proto especially when I'm playing with 15 fresh out of the academy and were in a losing battle. So..................... find a better corp, play with friends, and don't use PRO all the time. Why should my experience be ruined because of you?
I may be missing something, but I'm pretty sure that I didn't call for a tank nerf before Uprising 1.7. - Atiim
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Rusty Shallows
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Posted - 2014.02.20 05:06:00 -
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The bane that is matchmaking. I think some people missed that part of your post Vegetation Monster. Then again maybe you are fishing with a thread title, "Squads are OP..."
Here, have some candy and a Like. :-)
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AP Grasshopper
Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance
179
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Posted - 2014.02.20 05:53:00 -
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Vegetation Monster wrote:Some random stuff I have to say: We have grenade launchers that can launch grenades hundreds of meters without a huge arc but millions of years into the future and the mass driver shoots as if it is shooting a 30 ton skittle.
Just in, i've shot real life grenade launchers and they do indeed have a large arc. Myth busted. |
Eberk Baldek
Tech Guard RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2014.02.20 08:09:00 -
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Vegetation Monster wrote:When you allow 6 proto gal logis or 6 tankers to get together, then you let your game rust because noobs like me get proto stomped every other match. I would fight back with my proto gear but it's not worth it because isk payout is so low that I cannot afford to lose proto especially when I'm playing with 15 fresh out of the academy and were in a losing battle.
I don't know why you noobs even bother sticking around. I've been playing (and paying) for around 8 months and the game's done nothing but get a lot more difficult than when I started. I'm really disappointed with it at the moment and am looking forward to upcoming alternatives such as Destiny. Granted, maybe the current ongoing Heavy-Stomper week or the fact that I'm a below average player has something to do with it, but statistically 50% of us must be below average, and I'm not sure what that means in DUST 514 because I think there's nothing but hardcore supervet players left around here anyway. When the guys who've been around since just about the beginning are wearing their best suits and playing with their corps, they stomp just about everyone and everything. I used to think the game would get easier as I skilled up, but nothing could be farther from the truth. I've got 25 million SP and have skilled up my core skills (armor and shield included) and Assault Rifle and still get one-shotted and out-ranged by several overpowered weapons such as Rail Rifles, InvinciTanks, etc. What's the point of skilling into armor and shields if you're always getting one-shotted I ask? I had been naively hopeful that CCP would be interested in prioritising the attracting of new players, but so far no good. Instead, they seem to be dedicated to developing new OP gear (cloaked scout suits next?), which seem to mostly benefit the supervets who are sitting around on millions of spare SPs that they can instadrop on it. (Dare I mention the word "respec" lest this post be banned to the netherworld thread of the same topic? Because I want one in 1.8 because I don't think I could stand such a huge nerf to my gear and the thought of having to start over from scratch on the next FOTM gear. By the way, I've already had gear nerffed out of existence, f@ck you very much, so I suspect my Logi suits will be just about worthless as of 1.8.) So, go ahead, stick around for another 8 months and you too can look forward to becoming a bittervet.
To be fair, there are some basic bits in DUST 514 that I really love and that's why I'll probably be sticking around till at least Fanfest to see what carrots they dangle next. Hopefully, CCP will come through for us in the end and all this BETA-Game type nonsense will pass into videogame history.
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CYRAX SERVIUS
Death Firm. Canis Eliminatus Operatives
976
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Posted - 2014.02.20 11:42:00 -
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Vegetation Monster wrote:Croned wrote:Vegetation Monster wrote:When you allow 6 proto gal logis or 6 tankers to get together, then you let your game rust because noobs like me get proto stomped every other match. I would fight back with my proto gear but it's not worth it because isk payout is so low that I cannot afford to lose proto especially when I'm playing with 15 fresh out of the academy and were in a losing battle. This isn't CoD. These maps are too large and dynamic to run solo the majority of the time. Join a corp or use the Squad Finder. And never use proto in pub matches unless you're really good already. Without practice at using lower-tier gear, you'll just burn through proto gear like gunpowder. as you can see I am in a corp but people suck at this game... noobs in Tul suck and so do the noobs in squad finder... BTW, no matter what you do, your probably going to lose proto especially when your team if full of nubs and you are the only one actually wearing good gear. Never never wear proto without a complimenting squad, you immediately put a target on your azz.
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Whiskey squad leader
Invictus Maneo~"I Remain Unvanquished"~
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CYRAX SERVIUS
Death Firm. Canis Eliminatus Operatives
976
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Posted - 2014.02.20 11:48:00 -
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Henchmen21 wrote:The Terminator T-1000 wrote:nerf squads!! I don't recall pub stomping being as bad as today until squads expanded to six men. Back when squads were only four players, there was a lot less proto running around. I remember when you saw a proto suit on the field it was very uncommon. Now it's vice versa with a basic suit.
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Whiskey squad leader
Invictus Maneo~"I Remain Unvanquished"~
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Beld Errmon
0uter.Heaven
1363
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Posted - 2014.02.20 11:55:00 -
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Shouldn't hate on the guy for wanting to have a good game running solo, not everyone wants to run in a pack every time they play the game, but currently you need to or you are pretty much boned.
One day if the game actually starts to get popular and the player base grows, perhaps we will have squad and solo queues, but don't hold your breath. |
NEO Arbiter
Red Hand Syndicate
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Posted - 2014.02.20 12:15:00 -
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Hey I wants to join in on the qq too!!
A-Waaah! Squads! Waaaah!*sob* Waah! *sob* *tantrum*
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Vegetation Monster
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
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Posted - 2014.02.20 14:27:00 -
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Spkr4theDead wrote:Vegetation Monster wrote:When you allow 6 proto gal logis or 6 tankers to get together, then you let your game rust because noobs like me get proto stomped every other match. I would fight back with my proto gear but it's not worth it because isk payout is so low that I cannot afford to lose proto especially when I'm playing with 15 fresh out of the academy and were in a losing battle. So..................... find a better corp, play with friends, and don't use PRO all the time. Why should my experience be ruined because of you?
Your experience ruined? Maybe if you didn't spam proto gear we casual players with less sp may stand a chance. People who use proto gear in pubs is just damn stupid. Why are they acting as if it is a PC battle bringing out their best sh*t.
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Vegetation Monster
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
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Posted - 2014.02.20 14:30:00 -
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AP Grasshopper wrote:Vegetation Monster wrote:Some random stuff I have to say: We have grenade launchers that can launch grenades hundreds of meters without a huge arc but millions of years into the future and the mass driver shoots as if it is shooting a 30 ton skittle. Just in, i've shot real life grenade launchers and they do indeed have a large arc. Myth busted.
not as bad as a mass driver...
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Rasatsu
Much Crying Old Experts
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Posted - 2014.02.20 14:36:00 -
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Vegetation Monster wrote:2 jeep tries for each tank= 12 jeeps = 25k isk * 12= 300k isk. Nope. Even if I didn't have two LAV BPO's I'd still be throwing myself at them if I could get 6 tank kills in one game...
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Vegetation Monster
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
154
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Posted - 2014.02.20 14:38:00 -
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Rasatsu wrote:Vegetation Monster wrote:2 jeep tries for each tank= 12 jeeps = 25k isk * 12= 300k isk. Nope. Even if I didn't have two LAV BPO's I'd still be throwing myself at them if I could get 6 tank kills in one game... Are everyone in DUST as much of a loser as you, or is it just the majority?
why spend 300k when you can do with a 77k isk sica 3-2 shotting everything.
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Ghost Kaisar
Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.02.20 14:38:00 -
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Vegetation Monster wrote: Teamwork is OP!
Yeah.
That's kind of the point.
Nothing says "F**K YOU!" like a direct Flaylock to the face.
Minmatar. In Rust we trust.
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Vegetation Monster
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
154
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Posted - 2014.02.20 14:40:00 -
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Ghost Kaisar wrote:Vegetation Monster wrote: Teamwork is OP! Yeah. That's kind of the point.
try hards in pubs is OP. Can't i just go solo without getting fked over every match and redlines??
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Rasatsu
Much Crying Old Experts
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Posted - 2014.02.20 14:42:00 -
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Vegetation Monster wrote:why spend 300k when you can do with a 77k isk sica 3-2 shotting everything. You are paper, I am scissor.
I cut your balls off, you scream like a girl.
Yeah, why would I _NOT_ spend 300k to laugh my ass off as I blow up 6 77k isk isca's? |
Vegetation Monster
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
154
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Posted - 2014.02.20 14:45:00 -
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Rasatsu wrote:Vegetation Monster wrote:why spend 300k when you can do with a 77k isk sica 3-2 shotting everything. You are paper, I am scissor. I cut your balls off, you scream like a girl. Yeah, why would I _NOT_ spend 300k to laugh my ass off as I blow up 6 77k isk isca's?
90% of tankers are noobs and i assume you are too. You dont know me because this is an Alt but i have been tanking since open beta, i can put a lot more than 77k isk on the field if i wanted to (on my tank main cuz hes rich) but for me it takes not a penny more than 77k isk sica to blow up every mother fker on the field.
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LAVALLOIS Nash
QcGOLD
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Posted - 2014.02.20 14:58:00 -
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Beld Errmon wrote:Shouldn't hate on the guy for wanting to have a good game running solo, not everyone wants to run in a pack every time they play the game, but currently you need to or you are pretty much boned.
One day if the game actually starts to get popular and the player base grows, perhaps we will have squad and solo queues, but don't hold your breath.
It upsets me, because it says under the Public Contracts description "For small squads or lone mercenaries". Im a lone mercenary when I play most of the time, and yet i run into teams that are 12 of the same super corps.
When CCP gives me a mode that is truly, for "small squads of lone mercenaries", then Ill consider putting real money into this game. Until then though, I can just have my games ruined for free. |
AP Grasshopper
Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance
181
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Posted - 2014.02.20 15:18:00 -
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Vegetation Monster wrote:AP Grasshopper wrote:Vegetation Monster wrote:Some random stuff I have to say: We have grenade launchers that can launch grenades hundreds of meters without a huge arc but millions of years into the future and the mass driver shoots as if it is shooting a 30 ton skittle. Just in, i've shot real life grenade launchers and they do indeed have a large arc. Myth busted. not as bad as a mass driver...
Based off your COD experience? or do you know what your talking about?
Proto in pubs in fine, blueberrys afk/sniping in the redline is not. Its frustrating getting owned, when you check the map and its you and two other dudes in your squad playing and the 13 other guys are in the redline sure. I could care less if I got shot with a rail rifle or a kalakiota rail rifle makes no difference to me I'd probably die either way sense there's only three of us fighting anyways. |
AP Grasshopper
Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance
181
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Posted - 2014.02.20 15:22:00 -
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LAVALLOIS Nash wrote:Beld Errmon wrote:Shouldn't hate on the guy for wanting to have a good game running solo, not everyone wants to run in a pack every time they play the game, but currently you need to or you are pretty much boned.
One day if the game actually starts to get popular and the player base grows, perhaps we will have squad and solo queues, but don't hold your breath. It upsets me, because it says under the Public Contracts description "For small squads or lone mercenaries". Im a lone mercenary when I play most of the time, and yet i run into teams that are 12 of the same super corps. When CCP gives me a mode that is truly, for "small squads of lone mercenaries", then Ill consider putting real money into this game. Until then though, I can just have my games ruined for free.
"small squads or lone mercenaries" doesn't imply low SP and poorly skilled players. There's only a few game modes where do you expect everyone else to play? Join a corp, get taught how to play because new eden is not a place for lone wolfs. |
stlcarlos989
SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.02.20 15:29:00 -
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Remember when people thought the killer Bees were bad at least we only stacked shields and regulators with basic/adv equipment, gallogis stack 3 complex damage mods, 700 armor and proto equipment. No where near the outrage over gallente logis as there was for the cal logi which were easily countered by a std ScR or 1 std flux .
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LAVALLOIS Nash
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Posted - 2014.02.20 15:39:00 -
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AP Grasshopper wrote:
"small squads or lone mercenaries" doesn't imply low SP and poorly skilled players. There's only a few game modes where do you expect everyone else to play? Join a corp, get taught how to play because new eden is not a place for lone wolfs.
Thats ok, Id rather not be like you and your corp. Just because I get locked in my redline doesnt mean i have the urge to ruin the game for other people too.
i dont mind getting defeated, I dont mind losing. Heck, yesterday I played, lost a game, but had fun the entire time. I had fun losing. Im casual. This is not about "being better".
Its about games where most of the team is hiding in the MCC running down the clock because people like you have made it unfun and unplayable for them.
And that goes for both sides. Sometimes it puts me on the stacked team, and I just sitting around doing nothing cause again, the enemy team is just hiding running down the clock.
There is a difference between "difficult" and "unplayable". Difficult means I go 1/6, but me and my team still put up a good fight even if we lost. Unplayable means hiding in the MCC because as soon as you jump from it some proto sniper kills you as soon as you hit the ground.
And again, I invite you to go ingame and read the description: "For small squads or lone mercenaries". Dont tell me there is no place for "lone mercenaries" when It infact says that as the description. |
Vegetation Monster
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2014.02.20 16:02:00 -
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AP Grasshopper wrote:Vegetation Monster wrote:AP Grasshopper wrote:Vegetation Monster wrote:Some random stuff I have to say: We have grenade launchers that can launch grenades hundreds of meters without a huge arc but millions of years into the future and the mass driver shoots as if it is shooting a 30 ton skittle. Just in, i've shot real life grenade launchers and they do indeed have a large arc. Myth busted. not as bad as a mass driver... Based off your COD experience? or do you know what your talking about? Proto in pubs in fine, blueberrys afk/sniping in the redline is not. Its frustrating getting owned, when you check the map and its you and two other dudes in your squad playing and the 13 other guys are in the redline sure. I could care less if I got shot with a rail rifle or a kalakiota rail rifle makes no difference to me I'd probably die either way sense there's only three of us fighting anyways.
I never played cod in my life...
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Darken-Soul
BIG BAD W0LVES
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Posted - 2014.02.20 16:21:00 -
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LAVALLOIS Nash wrote:AP Grasshopper wrote:
"small squads or lone mercenaries" doesn't imply low SP and poorly skilled players. There's only a few game modes where do you expect everyone else to play? Join a corp, get taught how to play because new eden is not a place for lone wolfs.
Thats ok, Id rather not be like you and your corp. Just because I get locked in my redline doesnt mean i have the urge to ruin the game for other people too. i dont mind getting defeated, I dont mind losing. Heck, yesterday I played, lost a game, but had fun the entire time. I had fun losing. Im casual. This is not about "being better". Its about games where most of the team is hiding in the MCC running down the clock because people like you have made it unfun and unplayable for them. And that goes for both sides. Sometimes it puts me on the stacked team, and I just sitting around doing nothing cause again, the enemy team is just hiding running down the clock. There is a difference between "difficult" and "unplayable". Difficult means I go 1/6, but me and my team still put up a good fight even if we lost. Unplayable means hiding in the MCC because as soon as you jump from it some proto sniper kills you as soon as you hit the ground. And again, I invite you to go ingame and read the description: "For small squads or lone mercenaries". Dont tell me there is no place for "lone mercenaries" when It infact says that as the description.
the game is set up for team based play. You can run solo if you choose. We just don't want to hear you cry when you get stomped by 6guys. I take that back. Tell us it is amusing hearing your foolish arguments.
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Ankbar Latrommi
S.e.V.e.N. General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.02.20 16:29:00 -
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CYRAX SERVIUS wrote:Henchmen21 wrote:The Terminator T-1000 wrote:nerf squads!! I don't recall pub stomping being as bad as today until squads expanded to six men. Back when squads were only four players, there was a lot less proto running around. I remember when you saw a proto suit on the field it was very uncommon. Now it's vice versa with a basic suit.
Maybe that's because less people had the SP for PRO?? It seems an obvious possibility to me, since SP are gained over time...
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Ankbar Latrommi
S.e.V.e.N. General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.02.20 16:30:00 -
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LAVALLOIS Nash wrote:Why should i have to talk to a bunch of high pitched overly excitable teenagers just so I can have the chance to leave my spawn?
What in the world are you talking about? Stop qq'ing about made up complaints. I have yet to run into a single person which matches that description.
LAVALLOIS Nash wrote:Its about games where most of the team is hiding in the MCC running down the clock because people like you have made it unfun and unplayable for them.
I find this to be equally unbelievable. And it does CCP nor the community any good when so many people complain in hyperbole instead of calm, reasoned, and substantiated facts.
Is that actually happening, or does it just feel like it's happening. I play 2-4 matches most days of the week, pubs, skirm and dom only, 7-11pm US Central which I think is around 3 UTC. Sometimes squadded with my corp or alliance, sometimes I'm just going alone and joining an open squad when I get in the match. In nearly every match there are 1 or two players whose arrows I see way off on the edge of the map. Sometimes they are in vehicles, which is annoying but it's possible they are just trying to learn how to use them. (Still no PVE that we can self-train in.) Maybe they aren't in vehicle, so I'm hoping they are sniping. But I can't remember the last time I have been in a game where someone's just camping in the MCC, and certainly not "most of the team".
Your antecedents seem either exaggerated, completely baseless, or there is a major difference in playstyles at different times. But I'm frankly leaning towards exaggerated.
Reiner Knizia-"When playing a game, the goal is to win, but it is the goal that is important, not the winning."
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Yokal Bob
G.R.A.V.E INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS
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Posted - 2014.02.20 16:35:00 -
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Vegetation Monster wrote:When you allow 6 proto gal logis or 6 tankers to get together, then you let your game rust because noobs like me get proto stomped every other match. I would fight back with my proto gear but it's not worth it because isk payout is so low that I cannot afford to lose proto especially when I'm playing with 15 fresh out of the academy and were in a losing battle.
This game revolves around teamwork, a heavy cannot do his job without a logi, a logi can not do his job without necessary backup etc..
Join a squad and see the difference it makes
But I agree that 6 tanks in a squad (looks at Duna) is OP. In 1.6 a tank squad made sense in order to survive but now its just a rollover
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Zaaeed Massani
Zincress
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Posted - 2014.02.20 16:40:00 -
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Problem = squads are op. Solution = nerf mics. Problem = Solved. |
Vegetation Monster
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2014.02.20 16:52:00 -
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Yokal Bob wrote:Vegetation Monster wrote:When you allow 6 proto gal logis or 6 tankers to get together, then you let your game rust because noobs like me get proto stomped every other match. I would fight back with my proto gear but it's not worth it because isk payout is so low that I cannot afford to lose proto especially when I'm playing with 15 fresh out of the academy and were in a losing battle. This game revolves around teamwork, a heavy cannot do his job without a logi, a logi can not do his job without necessary backup etc.. Join a squad and see the difference it makes But I agree that 6 tanks in a squad (looks at Duna) is OP. In 1.6 a tank squad made sense in order to survive but now its just a rollover
a heavy can do his job without a logi and a logi can do his job without back up. Just look at those people who controll whole map with remotes and the ones sitting on triage hives...
"good" player don't want to play with players who use std and sometimes adv gear
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Posted - 2014.02.20 16:57:00 -
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Vegetation Monster wrote:Yokal Bob wrote:Vegetation Monster wrote:When you allow 6 proto gal logis or 6 tankers to get together, then you let your game rust because noobs like me get proto stomped every other match. I would fight back with my proto gear but it's not worth it because isk payout is so low that I cannot afford to lose proto especially when I'm playing with 15 fresh out of the academy and were in a losing battle. This game revolves around teamwork, a heavy cannot do his job without a logi, a logi can not do his job without necessary backup etc.. Join a squad and see the difference it makes But I agree that 6 tanks in a squad (looks at Duna) is OP. In 1.6 a tank squad made sense in order to survive but now its just a rollover a heavy can do his job without a logi and a logi can do his job without back up. Just look at those people who controll whole map with remotes and the ones sitting on triage hives... "good" player don't want to play with players who use std and sometimes adv gear
gimme any five guys. I will optimize their performance on the battlefield. If they have a mic of course. I have done over chat but its slow.
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Ankbar Latrommi
S.e.V.e.N. General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.02.20 17:34:00 -
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Vegetation Monster wrote:arrogant and/or performance-based-self-valued players don't want to play with players who use std and sometimes adv gear fixed that for you
Reiner Knizia-"When playing a game, the goal is to win, but it is the goal that is important, not the winning."
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