And here's the mentality, folks. This guy just doesn't get it. EVE doesn't compete with WoW and other MMOs. It appeals to a different crowd, and does well to get that crowd. In the same way, DUST shouldn't (cannot) compete with CoD and BF.

Sure, CCP has no previous experience with FPS. You're dead wrong, however, to imply that their experience with EVE can't be translated to an FPS environment. It can be, and CCP didn't. Your mindset gives CCP a free pass for a sub par product (although it is improving.) You set standards low, and expectations even lower. "Well, it's a new game." "You should have seen EVE when it started." "CCP has no FPS experience." "The game might be good years and years down the road." You can't excuse CCP and then in the same post say you're not excusing them.

Here's a decent article. I would say most of it is spot on.

The Base Game, meaning the stuff that should have been in from Launch are:
- 4 Racial variants of the Scout, Assault, Logi, Sentinel suits. (Pilot and Commando are expanded content.)
- 4 Racial variants of the Infantry Rifle.
- At least 1 specialty light weapon per race. (Swarm Launcher, Shotgun, Laser Rifle, Mass Driver)
- At least 1 Sidearm per race. + Nova Knives
- At least 1 Heavy Weapon per race.
- 4 Racial variants of the LAV, HAV, and Dropship. (MAV, Fighters, and Bombers are expanded content.)

So after 1.8 we will still be missing:
- Gallente & Amarr Heavy Weapons
- Amarr & Minmatar LAV, HAV, and Dropship.

I would like to see Amarr and Minmitar Complexes, but I would not consider that necessary for release.

there is a lot of speculation at big reveals happening at fanfest. I know if I'm disappointed or even 1% think an announcement they make at fanfest is another false promise I'll likely be out. I'm also looking forward and not looking forward to 1.8. a bunch of new stuff that might be fun but then I won't know the new fotm and how to counter it. As to the original post. Yup still beta quality game. I have heard rumors that they released it early to get loose from any contracts that hinged on their release date but who knows.

The Base Game, meaning the stuff that should have been in from Launch are:
- 4 Racial variants of the Scout, Assault, Logi, Sentinel suits. (Pilot and Commando are expanded content.)
- 4 Racial variants of the Infantry Rifle.
- At least 1 specialty light weapon per race. (Swarm Launcher, Shotgun, Laser Rifle, Mass Driver)
- At least 1 Sidearm per race. + Nova Knives
- At least 1 Heavy Weapon per race.
- 4 Racial variants of the LAV, HAV, and Dropship. (MAV, Fighters, and Bombers are expanded content.)

So after 1.8 we will still be missing:
- Gallente & Amarr Heavy Weapons
- Amarr & Minmatar LAV, HAV, and Dropship.

I would like to see Amarr and Minmitar Complexes, but I would not consider that necessary for release.

Who cares how old a game is or what engine it's on?

I had fun playing Mega Bomberman on the Megadrive the other day, I have 170 more of those and I prefer
them any day over some 2014 AAA FPS release.

In the same way I'll play a shooter from 2006, especially if it's on PC, who cares?

The Base Game, meaning the stuff that should have been in from Launch are:
- 4 Racial variants of the Scout, Assault, Logi, Sentinel suits. (Pilot and Commando are expanded content.)
- 4 Racial variants of the Infantry Rifle.
- At least 1 specialty light weapon per race. (Swarm Launcher, Shotgun, Laser Rifle, Mass Driver)
- At least 1 Sidearm per race. + Nova Knives
- At least 1 Heavy Weapon per race.
- 4 Racial variants of the LAV, HAV, and Dropship. (MAV, Fighters, and Bombers are expanded content.)

So after 1.8 we will still be missing:
- Gallente & Amarr Heavy Weapons
- Amarr & Minmatar LAV, HAV, and Dropship.

I would like to see Amarr and Minmitar Complexes, but I would not consider that necessary for release.

To this I would add:
-Small/large laser/projectile turrets & installations
-Minmatar/Amarr MCCs
-Minmatar/Amarr RDVs
-At least one large socket from each race
-P2P market
-Also fixing major gameplay bugs like glitching on terrain. That's reasonable in a beta, but it should be fixed in a released product.

PC 2.0 is badly needed, but could be considered an expansion of the core.

I more or less agree with this. I think the reason I stay beside my frustrations is because of time invested. Also nothing else I want to play right now. I am pretty excited over the new vehicles. Maybe that's the big surprise their gonna bring out at fan fest? Min Am HAV and dropships?

I played BF4, admittedly the ****** version on the PS3 last night for the first time, having rented it out to see what all the fuss is about, and I have to admit its a pretty cool game......

But it lacks depth.

Its mechanics are great.....I was shocked to find that guns have recoil in BF4.....admittedly 12 months of is Dust after BF3 really thew me for a loop.....

But it lacks meaning and depth. My deaths mean nothing but a 3 second delay and another LMG rampage begins.

Dust 514 has "something" other FPS don't and that's meaning and context......even if it lacks LMG.....

So to CCP I say "PLEASE I BEG YOU.......GIMME AND LMG AND I LUFF YOU 4 LYFE".... that or my Amarr HAV.