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DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 10790	Posted - 2014.02.15 02:44:00 - [1] - Quote I just figured I'd toss this here while it's on my mind. Right now, anyone can make any number of alts, throw together three characters with random names, transfer 250k ISK per character to their main, set all characters to biomass, then repeat later on in the day, for each alt they make. To me, that is a cut and dry exploit. While I don't know what it would take to program, the fix at least appears simple to me: When transferring ISK, the menu simply ignores the first 250k ISK given to the account, so in effect you could only spend that ISK on gear or books or save it, but would never be able to transfer it over to another account. This immediately ends free ISK farms, without harming new players in any meaningful way what so ever. Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Incubus Pilot
Smooth Assassin Stardust Incorporation IMMORTAL REGIME 845	Posted - 2014.02.15 03:11:00 - [2] - Quote Everybody say, BIOMASS!!! *Assassination is my thing.*
Mobius Kaethis Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1293	Posted - 2014.02.15 03:26:00 - [3] - Quote This does need to happen since players can make hundreds of millions in just a few weeks. I hate to say it but in the mean time CCP should consider banning (at least temporarily) accounts of people who do this. If anything will break the player market, and the NPE it is too much isk for vets. Fun > Realism
Awry Barux New Eden Blades Of The Azure Zero-Day 569	Posted - 2014.02.15 04:20:00 - [4] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: I just figured I'd toss this here while it's on my mind. Right now, anyone can make any number of alts, throw together three characters with random names, transfer 250k ISK per character to their main, set all characters to biomass, then repeat later on in the day, for each alt they make. To me, that is a cut and dry exploit. While I don't know what it would take to program, the fix at least appears simple to me: When transferring ISK, the menu simply ignores the first 250k ISK given to the account, so in effect you could only spend that ISK on gear or books or save it, but would never be able to transfer it over to another account. This immediately ends free ISK farms, without harming new players in any meaningful way what so ever. Agreed. Alternately, they could add a flag that says new accounts cannot transfer ISK for the first week. No real new player is going to, only biomassers. This may be easier than invisible ISK and would slow biomassing down to the point of probably being ignored. Or, a WP limit before transferring is enabled. Say, 10k, or 20k.
Aeon Amadi Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 4899	Posted - 2014.02.15 04:20:00 - [5] - Quote Mobius Kaethis wrote: This does need to happen since players can make hundreds of millions in just a few weeks. I hate to say it but in the mean time CCP should consider banning (at least temporarily) accounts of people who do this. If anything will break the player market, and the NPE it is too much isk for vets. Nah. That's a lot of effort for very little reward. You're talking earning 250k ISK per character, waiting ten or more hours every time, for every character on every account; if you're doing it on multiple accounts it would make it even more difficult to ban people over. That's a lot of time you'd have to invest when you could simply run an ambush match in BPO gear (everyone has at least four suits with nothing but BPO gear) and get that much, if not more, in less than an hour. It's not that big of a problem. Useful Links //forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=133588 //forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=134182
NK Scout Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State 366	Posted - 2014.02.15 05:13:00 - [6] - Quote Mobius Kaethis wrote: This does need to happen since players can make hundreds of millions in just a few weeks. I hate to say it but in the mean time CCP should consider banning (at least temporarily) accounts of people who do this. If anything will break the player market, and the NPE it is too much isk for vets. I spent all my biomass isk on assault dropships... 2 exiles assault rifles, Skinweave caldari frame, Staff recruiter mlt frame, Templar set Caldari Master Race
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 10795	Posted - 2014.02.15 05:22:00 - [7] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: That's a lot of time you'd have to invest when you could simply run an ambush match in BPO gear (everyone has at least four suits with nothing but BPO gear) and get that much, if not more, in less than an hour. It's not that big of a problem. I'm going to run an experiment at some point in the next couple days just to attempt to demonstrate in video how much ISK someone could earn, mostly because I'm curious. I'll make sure to update this when I do. Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Incubus Pilot
Awry Barux New Eden Blades Of The Azure Zero-Day 572	Posted - 2014.02.15 05:26:00 - [8] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: Mobius Kaethis wrote: This does need to happen since players can make hundreds of millions in just a few weeks. I hate to say it but in the mean time CCP should consider banning (at least temporarily) accounts of people who do this. If anything will break the player market, and the NPE it is too much isk for vets. Nah. That's a lot of effort for very little reward. You're talking earning 250k ISK per character, waiting ten or more hours every time, for every character on every account; if you're doing it on multiple accounts it would make it even more difficult to ban people over. That's a lot of time you'd have to invest when you could simply run an ambush match in BPO gear (everyone has at least four suits with nothing but BPO gear) and get that much, if not more, in less than an hour. It's not that big of a problem. You don't need to ban all the accounts- just the one they're sending the ISK to.
NK Scout Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State 369	Posted - 2014.02.15 06:57:00 - [9] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Aeon Amadi wrote: That's a lot of time you'd have to invest when you could simply run an ambush match in BPO gear (everyone has at least four suits with nothing but BPO gear) and get that much, if not more, in less than an hour. It's not that big of a problem. I'm going to run an experiment at some point in the next couple days just to attempt to demonstrate in video how much ISK someone could earn, mostly because I'm curious. I'll make sure to update this when I do. Apperently ive doon it 450 times and generated 100 mil isk, I never had over 50 mil isk, proof I use ads on it 2 exiles assault rifles, Skinweave caldari frame, Staff recruiter mlt frame, Templar set Caldari Master Race
Aeon Amadi Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 4901	Posted - 2014.02.15 08:58:00 - [10] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Aeon Amadi wrote: That's a lot of time you'd have to invest when you could simply run an ambush match in BPO gear (everyone has at least four suits with nothing but BPO gear) and get that much, if not more, in less than an hour. It's not that big of a problem. I'm going to run an experiment at some point in the next couple days just to attempt to demonstrate in video how much ISK someone could earn, mostly because I'm curious. I'll make sure to update this when I do. You have fun with that. Just a word of advice though, assuming you're aiming for 100,000,000 a week, you're going to need to do this with ~57 characters a day. That's a lot of patience that I don't have for just arbitrarily logging into/out-of 19 dummy accounts. Useful Links //forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=133588 //forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=134182

Haerr Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 213	Posted - 2014.02.15 11:12:00 - [11] - Quote I am under the impression that this has been submitted as a support ticket and the the response was that this is not an exploit. @CCP: Is the Cloaking Fields and Profile Dampeners reduction to Scan Profile stacking penalized when added together?
KalOfTheRathi Nec Tributis 965	Posted - 2014.02.15 11:30:00 - [12] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: QQ regarding a measly 250k ISK A Merc can earn 250K ISK in one match, two if they aren't very good. So the entire point of this is senseless. Big deal, they can take more time creating a character to get 250k ISK or they can AFK. Either way it is not worth any time even thinking about this. Move on, nothing to see here. And so it goes.
Aeon Amadi Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 4908	Posted - 2014.02.15 11:41:00 - [13] - Quote KalOfTheRathi wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: QQ regarding a measly 250k ISK A Merc can earn 250K ISK in one match, two if they aren't very good. So the entire point of this is senseless. Big deal, they can take more time creating a character to get 250k ISK or they can AFK. Either way it is not worth any time even thinking about this. Move on, nothing to see here. Well, let's not be harsh here. I get where he's coming from and, trust me, I understand the concern. It's just that right now the new player experience is total **** and if we marginalize the starting ISK when it's already hell just buying Skill Books early on, it's not going to be good for the game's health. Maybe when we have more of a natural flow of new players entering the game with a more entertaining, lasting experience combined with a healthy economy we can take it down a notch but at the moment it's a necessary, circumstantial evil. Useful Links //forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=133588 //forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=134182
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 10797	Posted - 2014.02.15 14:41:00 - [14] - Quote KalOfTheRathi wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: QQ regarding a measly 250k ISK A Merc can earn 250K ISK in one match, two if they aren't very good. So the entire point of this is senseless. Big deal, they can take more time creating a character to get 250k ISK or they can AFK. Either way it is not worth any time even thinking about this. Move on, nothing to see here. It's actually 750k, and you can get it in about the time it takes to complete 1/3 of an Ambush match Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Incubus Pilot
Connection Failure TACTICAL STRIKE ELITE 3	Posted - 2014.02.15 14:53:00 - [15] - Quote Its not chump change. We've started doing it at the direct order from our CEO to start building funds for PC. Were up to around 150 members now. You can make 16 different accounts on your PlayStation, 16x3 is 48, -1 (Your main) = 15 transferring the new clones ISK and biomassing every 10 hours to the main gets you 11,750,000 ISK every 10 hours. 11,750,000 ISK x 150 members (If we all do it), is 1,762,500,000 ISK every 10 hours for our corp. Takes 30 minutes to set up all 16 accounts, and after you get your characters set up it takes about 20 minutes total to make all the new characters, transfer funds, and start the biomass timer. I'm at work and can't play until I get home and have some days off but I'm gonna be RICH! Edit: If CCP is allowing it, why not make more money than all the older people and proto stomp all day with them. Am I adapting right?
Galvan Nized Deep Space Republic 660	Posted - 2014.02.15 15:00:00 - [16] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: Mobius Kaethis wrote: This does need to happen since players can make hundreds of millions in just a few weeks. I hate to say it but in the mean time CCP should consider banning (at least temporarily) accounts of people who do this. If anything will break the player market, and the NPE it is too much isk for vets. Nah. That's a lot of effort for very little reward. You're talking earning 250k ISK per character, waiting ten or more hours every time, for every character on every account; if you're doing it on multiple accounts it would make it even more difficult to ban people over. That's a lot of time you'd have to invest when you could simply run an ambush match in BPO gear (everyone has at least four suits with nothing but BPO gear) and get that much, if not more, in less than an hour. It's not that big of a problem. The thing is you can do nearly all characters across 5-6 accounts in the time it takes to do one match or two. You figure 15 dummy chars and 1 main who keeps the money. That's 3.75 mil in maybe 30 mins (time spent creating the character and sending the Isk and signing into different PSN.) You could only do this twice a day because of 10 hour biomass, I'm ignoring the extra 4 hrs because let's say you sleep. That's 7.5mil in a single hour of actual play time across 24 real world hours...much more than anyone could really earn in an hour of play. By itself it may not sound like much but when you figure they also can earn Isk normally that really adds up. It's pretty easy to earn 2.5 mil a day through legitimate play. Now they earn an easy 10mil every day for a measly extra hour...that's game breaking. Granted it can be easily tracked but also easily laundered. GUARANTEED there are lots of people doing this right now.
Dr Jerkburg Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire 0	Posted - 2014.02.15 15:05:00 - [17] - Quote Connection Failure wrote: Its not chump change. We've started doing it at the direct order from our CEO to start building funds for PC. Were up to around 150 members now. You can make 16 different accounts on your PlayStation, 16x3 is 48, -1 (Your main) = 15 transferring the new clones ISK and biomassing every 10 hours to the main gets you 11,750,000 ISK every 10 hours. 11,750,000 ISK x 150 members (If we all do it), is 1,762,500,000 ISK every 10 hours for our corp. Takes 30 minutes to set up all 16 accounts, and after you get your characters set up it takes about 20 minutes total to make all the new characters, transfer funds, and start the biomass timer. I'm at work and can't play until I get home and have some days off but I'm gonna be RICH! Edit: If CCP is allowing it, why not make more money than all the older people and proto stomp all day with them. Am I adapting right? Can I join your corp?
Connection Failure TACTICAL STRIKE ELITE 5	Posted - 2014.02.15 15:06:00 - [18] - Quote Dr Jerkburg wrote: Connection Failure wrote: Its not chump change. We've started doing it at the direct order from our CEO to start building funds for PC. Were up to around 150 members now. You can make 16 different accounts on your PlayStation, 16x3 is 48, -1 (Your main) = 15 transferring the new clones ISK and biomassing every 10 hours to the main gets you 11,750,000 ISK every 10 hours. 11,750,000 ISK x 150 members (If we all do it), is 1,762,500,000 ISK every 10 hours for our corp. Takes 30 minutes to set up all 16 accounts, and after you get your characters set up it takes about 20 minutes total to make all the new characters, transfer funds, and start the biomass timer. I'm at work and can't play until I get home and have some days off but I'm gonna be RICH! Edit: If CCP is allowing it, why not make more money than all the older people and proto stomp all day with them. Am I adapting right? Can I join your corp? Send in an application or go to $$=TSE=$$ chat in game
Xander Mercy Dem Durrty Boyz Renegade Alliance 173	Posted - 2014.02.15 15:45:00 - [19] - Quote you can make much more more just playing the game if you just buy your suits in bulk what your talking about just takes way to much time and effort. i can average about 210,000isk a game, so why would i take the time to make a 5 alts send the 1,250,000 to my main wait 10 hours then do it again or i can play 6 matches and make an average of about 1,260,000isk
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 10799	Posted - 2014.02.15 15:48:00 - [20] - Quote Xander Mercy wrote: you can make much more more just playing the game if you just buy your suits in bulk what your talking about just takes way to much time and effort. i can average about 210,000isk a game, so why would i take the time to make a 5 alts send the 1,250,000 to my main wait 10 hours then do it again or i can play 6 matches and make an average of about 1,260,000isk Assuming you do really well in 6 15 minute matches, that's still an hour and a half of play time. In an hour and a half with an army of alts you could earn a staggering amount of ISK. Also, you never risk a single ISK of your own. Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Incubus Pilot

Xander Mercy Dem Durrty Boyz Renegade Alliance 173	Posted - 2014.02.15 15:50:00 - [21] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Xander Mercy wrote: you can make much more more just playing the game if you just buy your suits in bulk what your talking about just takes way to much time and effort. i can average about 210,000isk a game, so why would i take the time to make a 5 alts send the 1,250,000 to my main wait 10 hours then do it again or i can play 6 matches and make an average of about 1,260,000isk Assuming you do really well in 6 15 minute matches, that's still an hour and a half of play time. In an hour and a half with an army of alts you could earn a staggering amount of ISK. Also, you never risk a single ISK of your own. easy fix would be players cant send money till they get out of the academy
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 10799	Posted - 2014.02.15 15:55:00 - [22] - Quote Xander Mercy wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Xander Mercy wrote: you can make much more more just playing the game if you just buy your suits in bulk what your talking about just takes way to much time and effort. i can average about 210,000isk a game, so why would i take the time to make a 5 alts send the 1,250,000 to my main wait 10 hours then do it again or i can play 6 matches and make an average of about 1,260,000isk Assuming you do really well in 6 15 minute matches, that's still an hour and a half of play time. In an hour and a half with an army of alts you could earn a staggering amount of ISK. Also, you never risk a single ISK of your own. easy fix would be players cant send money till they get out of the academy That's already in the OP ^_^ Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Incubus Pilot
The Infected One Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 792	Posted - 2014.02.15 17:03:00 - [23] - Quote Connection Failure wrote: Its not chump change. We've started doing it at the direct order from our CEO to start building funds for PC. Were up to around 150 members now. You can make 16 different accounts on your PlayStation, 16x3 is 48, -1 (Your main) = 15 transferring the new clones ISK and biomassing every 10 hours to the main gets you 11,750,000 ISK every 10 hours. 11,750,000 ISK x 150 members (If we all do it), is 1,762,500,000 ISK every 10 hours for our corp. Takes 30 minutes to set up all 16 accounts, and after you get your characters set up it takes about 20 minutes total to make all the new characters, transfer funds, and start the biomass timer. I'm at work and can't play until I get home and have some days off but I'm gonna be RICH! Edit: If CCP is allowing it, why not make more money than all the older people and proto stomp all day with them. Am I adapting right? This little scrub has it figured out. He's even saying that his corp CEO is telling all their apparent 150 members (I don't have the game in front of me to verify the numbers of members) are doing it. Just going by the numbers this guy has provided, he can stand to make at 23.5 million ISK a day for just over 2 hours of actual work, plus whatever he makes from actually playing. If they get the whole corp doing it, every 10 hours (twice a day) they will collectively make 3,525,000,000 ISK a day from just biomass. THREE BILLION, FIVE HUNDRED TWENTY FIVE MILLION ISK A DAY JUST FROM BIOMASS on 16 alts each. FREE money for the corp. Why bother do any PC for ISK, even locking districts takes more effort for less daily profit. This is a much bigger problem than people think. I am here to ask you one question, and one question only: EXPLOSIONS? THAT SENTENCE HAD TOO MANY SYLLABLES! APOLOGIZE!
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 10810	Posted - 2014.02.15 17:54:00 - [24] - Quote The Infected One wrote: Connection Failure wrote: Its not chump change. We've started doing it at the direct order from our CEO to start building funds for PC. Were up to around 150 members now. You can make 16 different accounts on your PlayStation, 16x3 is 48, -1 (Your main) = 47 characters transferring the new clones ISK and biomassing every 10 hours to the main gets you 11,750,000 ISK every 10 hours. 11,750,000 ISK x 150 members (If we all do it), is 1,762,500,000 ISK every 10 hours for our corp. Takes 30 minutes to set up all 16 accounts, and after you get your characters set up it takes about 20 minutes total to make all the new characters, transfer funds, and start the biomass timer. I'm at work and can't play until I get home and have some days off but I'm gonna be RICH! Edit: If CCP is allowing it, why not make more money than all the older people and proto stomp all day with them. Am I adapting right? This little scrub has it figured out. He's even saying that his corp CEO is telling all their apparent 150 members (I don't have the game in front of me to verify the numbers of members) are doing it. Just going by the numbers this guy has provided, he can stand to make at 23.5 million ISK a day for just over 2 hours of actual work, plus whatever he makes from actually playing. If they get the whole corp doing it, every 10 hours (twice a day) they will collectively make 3,525,000,000 ISK a day from just biomass. THREE BILLION, FIVE HUNDRED TWENTY FIVE MILLION ISK A DAY JUST FROM BIOMASS on 16 alts each. FREE money for the corp. Why bother do any PC for ISK, even locking districts takes more effort for less daily profit. This is a much bigger problem than people think. And even if no one out there was / is doing this, how hard would it be for CCP to simply nip it in the bud by locking ISK transfers until that character has graduated the academy? Suddenly it's not worth it to do unless you're actually just that bad / desperate. Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Incubus Pilot
Kigurosaka Laaksonen DUST University Ivy League 297	Posted - 2014.02.15 17:56:00 - [25] - Quote This is a non issue. In the time it takes you to set this up, an average player can make just as much, if not more, just playing through any match. DUST 514 Recruit Code - https://dust514.com/recruit/zluCyb/ EVE Buddy Invite - Too damn long. Ask me for it.
The Infected One Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 793	Posted - 2014.02.15 18:01:00 - [26] - Quote Kigurosaka Laaksonen wrote: This is a non issue. In the time it takes you to set this up, an average player can make just as much, if not more, just playing through any match. You can make 23.5 million ISK a day from playing though any match? Oh teach me your ways oh great Dust Uni member. I am here to ask you one question, and one question only: EXPLOSIONS? THAT SENTENCE HAD TOO MANY SYLLABLES! APOLOGIZE!
Bendtner92 Imperfects Negative-Feedback 1674	Posted - 2014.02.15 18:09:00 - [27] - Quote Kigurosaka Laaksonen wrote: This is a non issue. In the time it takes you to set this up, an average player can make just as much, if not more, just playing through any match. Not even close. It takes some time to set up your characters, but once that is done it doesn't really take much time to just get onto them all every 10 hours (twice a day), transfer the 250k ISK and then biomass them all. It takes what, 2 minutes to go through all three characters on a PSN account? Then another minute to switch to another PSN account and repeating this for all the 15 PSN accounts? That's 3 minutes * 15 accounts = 45 minutes to get 15 accounts * 3 characters on each * 250k ISK = 11.25 million ISK (22.5 million in 90 minutes each day). I would love to see you get 11 million ISK in 45 minutes playtime. You can't even get 2 million in that timeframe. Winner of the EU Squad Cup & the closed beta Tester's Tournament. Go Go Power Rangers! R.I.P MAG.
X7 lion Swamp Tempo Canis Eliminatus Operatives 119	Posted - 2014.02.15 18:33:00 - [28] - Quote simple solution give starting chars a dummy isk that can be spent like isk but not transferred problem solved. that wall all isk if earned not generated. I am death incarnate, you will not see me or hear me. You shall only feel the strike of my blade.
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 10812	Posted - 2014.02.15 18:34:00 - [29] - Quote X7 lion wrote: simple solution give starting chars a dummy isk that can be spent like isk but not transferred problem solved. that wall all isk if earned not generated. That's already in the OP, it is the ideal solution, though a workaround would also be to make it so ISK can't be transferred until that character graduates the academy. Either of these would instantly solve the problem. Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Incubus Pilot
Llast 326 An Arkhos 1880	Posted - 2014.02.15 18:35:00 - [30] - Quote X7 lion wrote: simple solution give starting chars a dummy isk that can be spent like isk but not transferred problem solved. that wall all isk if earned not generated. Starter funds = non transferable I like it KRRROOOOOOM

Aeon Amadi Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 4917	Posted - 2014.02.16 02:32:00 - [31] - Quote Hahahaha. This is genuinely humorous and amusing. Anyway, the only thing this would honestly do (if it were even a problem) would cause CCP to increase the prices on all the items to compensate or lower how much ISK a new player has, thusly hurting newer players. Beyond that, if it were seriously an issue, why isn't everyone doing it? Why isn't everyone running Prototype suits en masse? If this were honestly an issue with the in-game economy, wouldn't you think Protostomping wouldn't even be a thing because everyone is running Proto? And if the gentleman from TSE is being sincere and his corporation is saving up billions of ISK for PC... Why aren't they in PC? Why aren't they curb-stomping everyone in Molden Heath with their limitless amount of ISK just pouring out of no-where? Where are the statistics, the charts, the case studies that are showing that this is a major issue if not because it simply doesn't exist? It's a solution looking for a problem. Ultimately, if this does become a problem (which I will solely look toward DUST Fiend to blame for popularizing the idea ) the easiest and best solution, imo, would be to have characters start with 0 ISK and gain the 250,000 after completing the tutorial in the NPE. Anyway, last thing I want to say is this: Are you -honestly- hurting for ISK right now? I mean, is it so bad that you are resorting toward arbitrarily biomassing characters for the sake of it solely to get ISK..? Useful Links //forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=133588 //forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=134182
Soraya Xel The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 1504	Posted - 2014.02.16 02:35:00 - [32] - Quote Repeated biomassing of characters, EVE side, will get you permanently banned from the game, along with any characters you sent the ISK to. I would not do it, if I were you. I'd like to be your CPM1 candidate
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 10845	Posted - 2014.02.16 02:37:00 - [33] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: Anyway, last thing I want to say is this: Are you -honestly- hurting for ISK right now? I mean, is it so bad that you are resorting toward arbitrarily biomassing characters for the sake of it solely to get ISK..? You know what they say when you assume. I'm simply stating that this is entirely possible, and you'd be a fool to believe that no one is doing it. Like I said earlier in the thread, I will be throwing together a video at some point just to demonstrate how much ISK anyone can earn for free. I don't care remotely enough about this game to go through all that trouble for virtual currency, but I do care enough to stop noobs from exploiting it. Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Incubus Pilot
Kaius Coriolanus Capital Acquisitions LLC Renegade Alliance 22	Posted - 2014.02.16 03:49:00 - [34] - Quote I can see the point, but thats a lot of worked compared to just playing a few matches
Aeon Amadi Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 4919	Posted - 2014.02.16 04:23:00 - [35] - Quote Kaius Coriolanus wrote: I can see the point, but thats a lot of worked compared to just playing a few matches I dunno, I suppose we did need to make Log-Off Simulator 2014 at some point. Useful Links //forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=133588 //forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=134182
Mobius Wyvern Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 4592	Posted - 2014.02.16 05:57:00 - [36] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: I just figured I'd toss this here while it's on my mind. Right now, anyone can make any number of alts, throw together three characters with random names, transfer 250k ISK per character to their main, set all characters to biomass, then repeat later on in the day, for each alt they make. To me, that is a cut and dry exploit. While I don't know what it would take to program, the fix at least appears simple to me: - When transferring ISK, the menu simply ignores the first 250k ISK given to the account, so in effect you could only spend that ISK on gear or books or save it, but would never be able to transfer it over to another account. This immediately ends free ISK farms, without harming new players in any meaningful way what so ever. - An alternate solution would be to lock ISK transfers until a character has exited the academy. This would force a player to actually play on those accounts if they wanted the ISK. I still think my solution is more ideal, but it might be hard to program in . How efficient is this, though? At 750k ISK per day, they're still at a massive disadvantage compared to someone who actually plays. I completely agree about how much of an exploit this is, but it seems a very arduous way to get a very small reward, and maybe something that could be put on the back burner for now, you know? Amidst the blue skies A link from past to future The sheltering wings of the protector
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 10881	Posted - 2014.02.16 07:11:00 - [37] - Quote Mobius Wyvern wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: I just figured I'd toss this here while it's on my mind. Right now, anyone can make any number of alts, throw together three characters with random names, transfer 250k ISK per character to their main, set all characters to biomass, then repeat later on in the day, for each alt they make. To me, that is a cut and dry exploit. While I don't know what it would take to program, the fix at least appears simple to me: - When transferring ISK, the menu simply ignores the first 250k ISK given to the account, so in effect you could only spend that ISK on gear or books or save it, but would never be able to transfer it over to another account. This immediately ends free ISK farms, without harming new players in any meaningful way what so ever. - An alternate solution would be to lock ISK transfers until a character has exited the academy. This would force a player to actually play on those accounts if they wanted the ISK. I still think my solution is more ideal, but it might be hard to program in . How efficient is this, though? At 750k ISK per day, they're still at a massive disadvantage compared to someone who actually plays. I completely agree about how much of an exploit this is, but it seems a very arduous way to get a very small reward, and maybe something that could be put on the back burner for now, you know? It's actually 1.5 million ISK per day per account per 5-10 minutes of time Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Incubus Pilot
Shokhann Echo Chatelain Rapid Response Gallente Federation 196	Posted - 2014.02.16 07:12:00 - [38] - Quote in the meantime, some people are writing all this stuff down and preparing schedules on when to biomass and to collect. Void Echo Alt # 3 Back on main 3-31-14 Il be back in game within the next month or so.
Haerr Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 219	Posted - 2014.02.16 08:23:00 - [39] - Quote I wonder if CCP will change their minds on this one and if they do how highly they will prioritize a fix for it. Is there any one with a crystal ball able to tell which will happen first? CCP fixes locking exploit in PC. CCP fixes ISK transfer + biomassing of alts. CCP allows Dust players to setup sell orders. CCP releases version 5.14 (a.k.a. Dust exits open beta.). . @CCP: Is the Cloaking Fields and Profile Dampeners reduction to Scan Profile stacking penalized when added together?
shaman oga Nexus Balusa Horizon 1629	Posted - 2014.02.16 10:01:00 - [40] - Quote They should think about district locking before this. 1.8 it's so secret that nobody know what will be in it, even after patch notes...

DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 10903	Posted - 2014.02.16 16:26:00 - [41] - Quote Haerr wrote: I wonder if CCP will change their minds on this one and if they do how highly they will prioritize a fix for it. Is there any one with a crystal ball able to tell which will happen first? CCP fixes locking exploit in PC. CCP fixes ISK transfer + biomassing of alts. CCP allows Dust players to setup sell orders. CCP releases version 5.14 (a.k.a. Dust exits open beta.). . I mean this seems like such a tiny simple fix, it's not like this is some massive gamebreaking thing but at the same time, it is certainly an exploit and it would be nice to see CCPs stance on it. I mean **** if they don't mind I think I would do it just so I don't have to log into DUST to get my ISK haha Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Incubus Pilot
TunRa D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 485	Posted - 2014.02.16 16:30:00 - [42] - Quote Wait until they graduate? You do realize that is a plus on their side. When you play the academy you normally (if you're good) end up going 50/3 or 70/0 and make out with 500 - 1mil ISK. So basically instead of 250k ISK you make 3mil ISK. The ones who don't already do that are idiots. Thanks CCP Foxfour
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 10903	Posted - 2014.02.16 16:32:00 - [43] - Quote TunRa wrote: Wait until they graduate? You do realize that is a plus on their side. When you play the academy you normally (if you're good) end up going 50/3 or 70/0 and make out with 500 - 1mil ISK. So basically instead of 250k ISK you make 3mil ISK. The ones who don't already do that are idiots. The thing is time. They would have to actually play through that match or two, on every account. Suddenly it doesn't become worth the time to do. Again, I say the ideal solution is to simply lock the first 250k to that account. I just don't know how hard that would be to program, is all. Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Incubus Pilot
TunRa D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 485	Posted - 2014.02.16 16:40:00 - [44] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: TunRa wrote: Wait until they graduate? You do realize that is a plus on their side. When you play the academy you normally (if you're good) end up going 50/3 or 70/0 and make out with 500 - 1mil ISK. So basically instead of 250k ISK you make 3mil ISK. The ones who don't already do that are idiots. The thing is time. They would have to actually play through that match or two, on every account. Suddenly it doesn't become worth the time to do. Again, I say the ideal solution is to simply lock the first 250k to that account. I just don't know how hard that would be to program, is all. I don't agree with free ISK printing, but I knew a few people who would just make alts then play academy and transfer the 700k to their main. They made much more money then the people biomassing. Also if it takes 2 matches for you to get out of academy you're a scrub. Anyways I guess that would work, locking the first 250k that is. Thanks CCP Foxfour
Sana Rayya WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL Top Men. 827	Posted - 2014.02.16 18:23:00 - [45] - Quote I don't know about you guys, but I'd rather have people quietly exploiting to earn ISK through biomassing themselves instead of running suicide squads in ambush. In the latter, like-minded individuals squad up together, drop uplinks, then use starter fits to suicide and spawn on their uplinks until all clones are depleted. Despite not getting any kills, they still earn a lot of WP and ISK per match since they're spawning on each other's uplinks and the game is over before anyone can earn a decent amount of WP. So which method is more disruptive to the game as a whole?
The Infected One Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 820	Posted - 2014.02.16 18:31:00 - [46] - Quote Sana Rayya wrote: I don't know about you guys, but I'd rather have people quietly exploiting to earn ISK through biomassing themselves instead of running suicide squads in ambush. In the latter, like-minded individuals squad up together, drop uplinks, then use starter fits to suicide and spawn on their uplinks until all clones are depleted. Despite not getting any kills, they still earn a lot of WP and ISK per match since they're spawning on each other's uplinks and the game is over before anyone can earn a decent amount of WP. So which method is more disruptive to the game as a whole? The ISK farming, because it grants the funding to do whatever you want and ultimately effects everyone else in terms of game play. If you suicide on uplinks all match, and we lose...who cares, it doesn't really effect ME as an individual. Payouts for winning or losing are almost the exact same, so there really isn't any point to get upset at. On the flip side, farming ISK like that creates an endless supply of money to spam whatever you want. Not enough SP for ADV or PRO gear, spam MLT tanks everywhere. Who cares, you're making 23.5 Million a day. Eventually through passive and playing you will get enough SP to use better gear anyway, and while you're waiting for that, your wallet is growing larger and larger and by the time you get PRO equipment and a load out that costs 200k+ you REALLY wont care because you will have so much bank that you can simply buy thousands of copies of it and spam away some more. I am here to ask you one question, and one question only: EXPLOSIONS? THAT SENTENCE HAD TOO MANY SYLLABLES! APOLOGIZE!
Sana Rayya WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL Top Men. 827	Posted - 2014.02.16 18:49:00 - [47] - Quote My point is, people who want to farm ISK will find ways to do it regardless of what you do to counter them. If you limit ISK transfers then people will figure out other more disruptive ways to earn ISK if they really want it. I'd rather not have every other game I play sabotaged by players who just want to farm ISK, and as the ISK they earn will still be 3-4x the amount they'd get while playing seriously, you'd still end up with the same issue of players being able to run whatever they want without caring about losing money.
Lazy Scumbag Intara Direct Action Caldari State 136	Posted - 2014.02.16 18:51:00 - [48] - Quote Maybe then we can do away with the biomass timer, so we can have nonstop academy fun?
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 10916	Posted - 2014.02.16 19:13:00 - [49] - Quote Sana Rayya wrote: My point is, people who want to farm ISK will find ways to do it regardless of what you do to counter them. If you limit ISK transfers then people will figure out other more disruptive ways to earn ISK if they really want it. I'd rather not have every other game I play sabotaged by players who just want to farm ISK, and as the ISK they earn will still be 3-4x the amount they'd get while playing seriously, you'd still end up with the same issue of players being able to run whatever they want without caring about losing money. So you would rather just reward exploiters by keeping an exploitable mechanic that's easy to fix? If they find a more disruptive way to earn ISK, then we highlight it, and get it fixed. Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Incubus Pilot


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