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DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 10790	Posted - 2014.02.15 02:44:00 - [1] - Quote I just figured I'd toss this here while it's on my mind. Right now, anyone can make any number of alts, throw together three characters with random names, transfer 250k ISK per character to their main, set all characters to biomass, then repeat later on in the day, for each alt they make. To me, that is a cut and dry exploit. While I don't know what it would take to program, the fix at least appears simple to me: When transferring ISK, the menu simply ignores the first 250k ISK given to the account, so in effect you could only spend that ISK on gear or books or save it, but would never be able to transfer it over to another account. This immediately ends free ISK farms, without harming new players in any meaningful way what so ever. Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Incubus Pilot
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 10795	Posted - 2014.02.15 05:22:00 - [2] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: That's a lot of time you'd have to invest when you could simply run an ambush match in BPO gear (everyone has at least four suits with nothing but BPO gear) and get that much, if not more, in less than an hour. It's not that big of a problem. I'm going to run an experiment at some point in the next couple days just to attempt to demonstrate in video how much ISK someone could earn, mostly because I'm curious. I'll make sure to update this when I do. Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Incubus Pilot
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 10797	Posted - 2014.02.15 14:41:00 - [3] - Quote KalOfTheRathi wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: QQ regarding a measly 250k ISK A Merc can earn 250K ISK in one match, two if they aren't very good. So the entire point of this is senseless. Big deal, they can take more time creating a character to get 250k ISK or they can AFK. Either way it is not worth any time even thinking about this. Move on, nothing to see here. It's actually 750k, and you can get it in about the time it takes to complete 1/3 of an Ambush match Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Incubus Pilot
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 10799	Posted - 2014.02.15 15:48:00 - [4] - Quote Xander Mercy wrote: you can make much more more just playing the game if you just buy your suits in bulk what your talking about just takes way to much time and effort. i can average about 210,000isk a game, so why would i take the time to make a 5 alts send the 1,250,000 to my main wait 10 hours then do it again or i can play 6 matches and make an average of about 1,260,000isk Assuming you do really well in 6 15 minute matches, that's still an hour and a half of play time. In an hour and a half with an army of alts you could earn a staggering amount of ISK. Also, you never risk a single ISK of your own. Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Incubus Pilot
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 10799	Posted - 2014.02.15 15:55:00 - [5] - Quote Xander Mercy wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Xander Mercy wrote: you can make much more more just playing the game if you just buy your suits in bulk what your talking about just takes way to much time and effort. i can average about 210,000isk a game, so why would i take the time to make a 5 alts send the 1,250,000 to my main wait 10 hours then do it again or i can play 6 matches and make an average of about 1,260,000isk Assuming you do really well in 6 15 minute matches, that's still an hour and a half of play time. In an hour and a half with an army of alts you could earn a staggering amount of ISK. Also, you never risk a single ISK of your own. easy fix would be players cant send money till they get out of the academy That's already in the OP ^_^ Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Incubus Pilot
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 10810	Posted - 2014.02.15 17:54:00 - [6] - Quote The Infected One wrote: Connection Failure wrote: Its not chump change. We've started doing it at the direct order from our CEO to start building funds for PC. Were up to around 150 members now. You can make 16 different accounts on your PlayStation, 16x3 is 48, -1 (Your main) = 47 characters transferring the new clones ISK and biomassing every 10 hours to the main gets you 11,750,000 ISK every 10 hours. 11,750,000 ISK x 150 members (If we all do it), is 1,762,500,000 ISK every 10 hours for our corp. Takes 30 minutes to set up all 16 accounts, and after you get your characters set up it takes about 20 minutes total to make all the new characters, transfer funds, and start the biomass timer. I'm at work and can't play until I get home and have some days off but I'm gonna be RICH! Edit: If CCP is allowing it, why not make more money than all the older people and proto stomp all day with them. Am I adapting right? This little scrub has it figured out. He's even saying that his corp CEO is telling all their apparent 150 members (I don't have the game in front of me to verify the numbers of members) are doing it. Just going by the numbers this guy has provided, he can stand to make at 23.5 million ISK a day for just over 2 hours of actual work, plus whatever he makes from actually playing. If they get the whole corp doing it, every 10 hours (twice a day) they will collectively make 3,525,000,000 ISK a day from just biomass. THREE BILLION, FIVE HUNDRED TWENTY FIVE MILLION ISK A DAY JUST FROM BIOMASS on 16 alts each. FREE money for the corp. Why bother do any PC for ISK, even locking districts takes more effort for less daily profit. This is a much bigger problem than people think. And even if no one out there was / is doing this, how hard would it be for CCP to simply nip it in the bud by locking ISK transfers until that character has graduated the academy? Suddenly it's not worth it to do unless you're actually just that bad / desperate. Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Incubus Pilot
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 10812	Posted - 2014.02.15 18:34:00 - [7] - Quote X7 lion wrote: simple solution give starting chars a dummy isk that can be spent like isk but not transferred problem solved. that wall all isk if earned not generated. That's already in the OP, it is the ideal solution, though a workaround would also be to make it so ISK can't be transferred until that character graduates the academy. Either of these would instantly solve the problem. Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Incubus Pilot
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 10845	Posted - 2014.02.16 02:37:00 - [8] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: Anyway, last thing I want to say is this: Are you -honestly- hurting for ISK right now? I mean, is it so bad that you are resorting toward arbitrarily biomassing characters for the sake of it solely to get ISK..? You know what they say when you assume. I'm simply stating that this is entirely possible, and you'd be a fool to believe that no one is doing it. Like I said earlier in the thread, I will be throwing together a video at some point just to demonstrate how much ISK anyone can earn for free. I don't care remotely enough about this game to go through all that trouble for virtual currency, but I do care enough to stop noobs from exploiting it. Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Incubus Pilot
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 10881	Posted - 2014.02.16 07:11:00 - [9] - Quote Mobius Wyvern wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: I just figured I'd toss this here while it's on my mind. Right now, anyone can make any number of alts, throw together three characters with random names, transfer 250k ISK per character to their main, set all characters to biomass, then repeat later on in the day, for each alt they make. To me, that is a cut and dry exploit. While I don't know what it would take to program, the fix at least appears simple to me: - When transferring ISK, the menu simply ignores the first 250k ISK given to the account, so in effect you could only spend that ISK on gear or books or save it, but would never be able to transfer it over to another account. This immediately ends free ISK farms, without harming new players in any meaningful way what so ever. - An alternate solution would be to lock ISK transfers until a character has exited the academy. This would force a player to actually play on those accounts if they wanted the ISK. I still think my solution is more ideal, but it might be hard to program in . How efficient is this, though? At 750k ISK per day, they're still at a massive disadvantage compared to someone who actually plays. I completely agree about how much of an exploit this is, but it seems a very arduous way to get a very small reward, and maybe something that could be put on the back burner for now, you know? It's actually 1.5 million ISK per day per account per 5-10 minutes of time Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Incubus Pilot
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 10903	Posted - 2014.02.16 16:26:00 - [10] - Quote Haerr wrote: I wonder if CCP will change their minds on this one and if they do how highly they will prioritize a fix for it. Is there any one with a crystal ball able to tell which will happen first? CCP fixes locking exploit in PC. CCP fixes ISK transfer + biomassing of alts. CCP allows Dust players to setup sell orders. CCP releases version 5.14 (a.k.a. Dust exits open beta.). . I mean this seems like such a tiny simple fix, it's not like this is some massive gamebreaking thing but at the same time, it is certainly an exploit and it would be nice to see CCPs stance on it. I mean **** if they don't mind I think I would do it just so I don't have to log into DUST to get my ISK haha Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Incubus Pilot

DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 10903	Posted - 2014.02.16 16:32:00 - [11] - Quote TunRa wrote: Wait until they graduate? You do realize that is a plus on their side. When you play the academy you normally (if you're good) end up going 50/3 or 70/0 and make out with 500 - 1mil ISK. So basically instead of 250k ISK you make 3mil ISK. The ones who don't already do that are idiots. The thing is time. They would have to actually play through that match or two, on every account. Suddenly it doesn't become worth the time to do. Again, I say the ideal solution is to simply lock the first 250k to that account. I just don't know how hard that would be to program, is all. Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Incubus Pilot
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 10916	Posted - 2014.02.16 19:13:00 - [12] - Quote Sana Rayya wrote: My point is, people who want to farm ISK will find ways to do it regardless of what you do to counter them. If you limit ISK transfers then people will figure out other more disruptive ways to earn ISK if they really want it. I'd rather not have every other game I play sabotaged by players who just want to farm ISK, and as the ISK they earn will still be 3-4x the amount they'd get while playing seriously, you'd still end up with the same issue of players being able to run whatever they want without caring about losing money. So you would rather just reward exploiters by keeping an exploitable mechanic that's easy to fix? If they find a more disruptive way to earn ISK, then we highlight it, and get it fixed. Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Incubus Pilot

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