DUST Search - End Biomass ISK Farms

Mobius Wyvern wrote:

DUST Fiend wrote:

I just figured I'd toss this here while it's on my mind.

Right now, anyone can make any number of alts, throw together three characters with random names, transfer 250k ISK per character to their main, set all characters to biomass, then repeat later on in the day, for each alt they make.

To me, that is a cut and dry exploit.

While I don't know what it would take to program, the fix at least appears simple to me:

- When transferring ISK, the menu simply ignores the first 250k ISK given to the account, so in effect you could only spend that ISK on gear or books or save it, but would never be able to transfer it over to another account. This immediately ends free ISK farms, without harming new players in any meaningful way what so ever.

- An alternate solution would be to lock ISK transfers until a character has exited the academy. This would force a player to actually play on those accounts if they wanted the ISK. I still think my solution is more ideal, but it might be hard to program in .

How efficient is this, though? At 750k ISK per day, they're still at a massive disadvantage compared to someone who actually plays.

I completely agree about how much of an exploit this is, but it seems a very arduous way to get a very small reward, and maybe something that could be put on the back burner for now, you know?

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Aeon Amadi Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 4917	Posted - 2014.02.16 02:32:00 - [31] - Quote Hahahaha. This is genuinely humorous and amusing. Anyway, the only thing this would honestly do (if it were even a problem) would cause CCP to increase the prices on all the items to compensate or lower how much ISK a new player has, thusly hurting newer players. Beyond that, if it were seriously an issue, why isn't everyone doing it? Why isn't everyone running Prototype suits en masse? If this were honestly an issue with the in-game economy, wouldn't you think Protostomping wouldn't even be a thing because everyone is running Proto? And if the gentleman from TSE is being sincere and his corporation is saving up billions of ISK for PC... Why aren't they in PC? Why aren't they curb-stomping everyone in Molden Heath with their limitless amount of ISK just pouring out of no-where? Where are the statistics, the charts, the case studies that are showing that this is a major issue if not because it simply doesn't exist? It's a solution looking for a problem. Ultimately, if this does become a problem (which I will solely look toward DUST Fiend to blame for popularizing the idea ) the easiest and best solution, imo, would be to have characters start with 0 ISK and gain the 250,000 after completing the tutorial in the NPE. Anyway, last thing I want to say is this: Are you -honestly- hurting for ISK right now? I mean, is it so bad that you are resorting toward arbitrarily biomassing characters for the sake of it solely to get ISK..? Useful Links //forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=133588 //forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=134182
Soraya Xel The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 1504	Posted - 2014.02.16 02:35:00 - [32] - Quote Repeated biomassing of characters, EVE side, will get you permanently banned from the game, along with any characters you sent the ISK to. I would not do it, if I were you. I'd like to be your CPM1 candidate
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 10845	Posted - 2014.02.16 02:37:00 - [33] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: Anyway, last thing I want to say is this: Are you -honestly- hurting for ISK right now? I mean, is it so bad that you are resorting toward arbitrarily biomassing characters for the sake of it solely to get ISK..? You know what they say when you assume. I'm simply stating that this is entirely possible, and you'd be a fool to believe that no one is doing it. Like I said earlier in the thread, I will be throwing together a video at some point just to demonstrate how much ISK anyone can earn for free. I don't care remotely enough about this game to go through all that trouble for virtual currency, but I do care enough to stop noobs from exploiting it. Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Incubus Pilot
Kaius Coriolanus Capital Acquisitions LLC Renegade Alliance 22	Posted - 2014.02.16 03:49:00 - [34] - Quote I can see the point, but thats a lot of worked compared to just playing a few matches
Aeon Amadi Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 4919	Posted - 2014.02.16 04:23:00 - [35] - Quote Kaius Coriolanus wrote: I can see the point, but thats a lot of worked compared to just playing a few matches I dunno, I suppose we did need to make Log-Off Simulator 2014 at some point. Useful Links //forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=133588 //forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=134182
Mobius Wyvern Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 4592	Posted - 2014.02.16 05:57:00 - [36] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: I just figured I'd toss this here while it's on my mind. Right now, anyone can make any number of alts, throw together three characters with random names, transfer 250k ISK per character to their main, set all characters to biomass, then repeat later on in the day, for each alt they make. To me, that is a cut and dry exploit. While I don't know what it would take to program, the fix at least appears simple to me: - When transferring ISK, the menu simply ignores the first 250k ISK given to the account, so in effect you could only spend that ISK on gear or books or save it, but would never be able to transfer it over to another account. This immediately ends free ISK farms, without harming new players in any meaningful way what so ever. - An alternate solution would be to lock ISK transfers until a character has exited the academy. This would force a player to actually play on those accounts if they wanted the ISK. I still think my solution is more ideal, but it might be hard to program in . How efficient is this, though? At 750k ISK per day, they're still at a massive disadvantage compared to someone who actually plays. I completely agree about how much of an exploit this is, but it seems a very arduous way to get a very small reward, and maybe something that could be put on the back burner for now, you know? Amidst the blue skies A link from past to future The sheltering wings of the protector
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 10881	Posted - 2014.02.16 07:11:00 - [37] - Quote Mobius Wyvern wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: I just figured I'd toss this here while it's on my mind. Right now, anyone can make any number of alts, throw together three characters with random names, transfer 250k ISK per character to their main, set all characters to biomass, then repeat later on in the day, for each alt they make. To me, that is a cut and dry exploit. While I don't know what it would take to program, the fix at least appears simple to me: - When transferring ISK, the menu simply ignores the first 250k ISK given to the account, so in effect you could only spend that ISK on gear or books or save it, but would never be able to transfer it over to another account. This immediately ends free ISK farms, without harming new players in any meaningful way what so ever. - An alternate solution would be to lock ISK transfers until a character has exited the academy. This would force a player to actually play on those accounts if they wanted the ISK. I still think my solution is more ideal, but it might be hard to program in . How efficient is this, though? At 750k ISK per day, they're still at a massive disadvantage compared to someone who actually plays. I completely agree about how much of an exploit this is, but it seems a very arduous way to get a very small reward, and maybe something that could be put on the back burner for now, you know? It's actually 1.5 million ISK per day per account per 5-10 minutes of time Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Incubus Pilot
Shokhann Echo Chatelain Rapid Response Gallente Federation 196	Posted - 2014.02.16 07:12:00 - [38] - Quote in the meantime, some people are writing all this stuff down and preparing schedules on when to biomass and to collect. Void Echo Alt # 3 Back on main 3-31-14 Il be back in game within the next month or so.
Haerr Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 219	Posted - 2014.02.16 08:23:00 - [39] - Quote I wonder if CCP will change their minds on this one and if they do how highly they will prioritize a fix for it. Is there any one with a crystal ball able to tell which will happen first? CCP fixes locking exploit in PC. CCP fixes ISK transfer + biomassing of alts. CCP allows Dust players to setup sell orders. CCP releases version 5.14 (a.k.a. Dust exits open beta.). . @CCP: Is the Cloaking Fields and Profile Dampeners reduction to Scan Profile stacking penalized when added together?
shaman oga Nexus Balusa Horizon 1629	Posted - 2014.02.16 10:01:00 - [40] - Quote They should think about district locking before this. 1.8 it's so secret that nobody know what will be in it, even after patch notes...

DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 10903	Posted - 2014.02.16 16:26:00 - [41] - Quote Haerr wrote: I wonder if CCP will change their minds on this one and if they do how highly they will prioritize a fix for it. Is there any one with a crystal ball able to tell which will happen first? CCP fixes locking exploit in PC. CCP fixes ISK transfer + biomassing of alts. CCP allows Dust players to setup sell orders. CCP releases version 5.14 (a.k.a. Dust exits open beta.). . I mean this seems like such a tiny simple fix, it's not like this is some massive gamebreaking thing but at the same time, it is certainly an exploit and it would be nice to see CCPs stance on it. I mean **** if they don't mind I think I would do it just so I don't have to log into DUST to get my ISK haha Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Incubus Pilot
TunRa D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 485	Posted - 2014.02.16 16:30:00 - [42] - Quote Wait until they graduate? You do realize that is a plus on their side. When you play the academy you normally (if you're good) end up going 50/3 or 70/0 and make out with 500 - 1mil ISK. So basically instead of 250k ISK you make 3mil ISK. The ones who don't already do that are idiots. Thanks CCP Foxfour
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 10903	Posted - 2014.02.16 16:32:00 - [43] - Quote TunRa wrote: Wait until they graduate? You do realize that is a plus on their side. When you play the academy you normally (if you're good) end up going 50/3 or 70/0 and make out with 500 - 1mil ISK. So basically instead of 250k ISK you make 3mil ISK. The ones who don't already do that are idiots. The thing is time. They would have to actually play through that match or two, on every account. Suddenly it doesn't become worth the time to do. Again, I say the ideal solution is to simply lock the first 250k to that account. I just don't know how hard that would be to program, is all. Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Incubus Pilot
TunRa D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 485	Posted - 2014.02.16 16:40:00 - [44] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: TunRa wrote: Wait until they graduate? You do realize that is a plus on their side. When you play the academy you normally (if you're good) end up going 50/3 or 70/0 and make out with 500 - 1mil ISK. So basically instead of 250k ISK you make 3mil ISK. The ones who don't already do that are idiots. The thing is time. They would have to actually play through that match or two, on every account. Suddenly it doesn't become worth the time to do. Again, I say the ideal solution is to simply lock the first 250k to that account. I just don't know how hard that would be to program, is all. I don't agree with free ISK printing, but I knew a few people who would just make alts then play academy and transfer the 700k to their main. They made much more money then the people biomassing. Also if it takes 2 matches for you to get out of academy you're a scrub. Anyways I guess that would work, locking the first 250k that is. Thanks CCP Foxfour
Sana Rayya WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL Top Men. 827	Posted - 2014.02.16 18:23:00 - [45] - Quote I don't know about you guys, but I'd rather have people quietly exploiting to earn ISK through biomassing themselves instead of running suicide squads in ambush. In the latter, like-minded individuals squad up together, drop uplinks, then use starter fits to suicide and spawn on their uplinks until all clones are depleted. Despite not getting any kills, they still earn a lot of WP and ISK per match since they're spawning on each other's uplinks and the game is over before anyone can earn a decent amount of WP. So which method is more disruptive to the game as a whole?
The Infected One Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 820	Posted - 2014.02.16 18:31:00 - [46] - Quote Sana Rayya wrote: I don't know about you guys, but I'd rather have people quietly exploiting to earn ISK through biomassing themselves instead of running suicide squads in ambush. In the latter, like-minded individuals squad up together, drop uplinks, then use starter fits to suicide and spawn on their uplinks until all clones are depleted. Despite not getting any kills, they still earn a lot of WP and ISK per match since they're spawning on each other's uplinks and the game is over before anyone can earn a decent amount of WP. So which method is more disruptive to the game as a whole? The ISK farming, because it grants the funding to do whatever you want and ultimately effects everyone else in terms of game play. If you suicide on uplinks all match, and we lose...who cares, it doesn't really effect ME as an individual. Payouts for winning or losing are almost the exact same, so there really isn't any point to get upset at. On the flip side, farming ISK like that creates an endless supply of money to spam whatever you want. Not enough SP for ADV or PRO gear, spam MLT tanks everywhere. Who cares, you're making 23.5 Million a day. Eventually through passive and playing you will get enough SP to use better gear anyway, and while you're waiting for that, your wallet is growing larger and larger and by the time you get PRO equipment and a load out that costs 200k+ you REALLY wont care because you will have so much bank that you can simply buy thousands of copies of it and spam away some more. I am here to ask you one question, and one question only: EXPLOSIONS? THAT SENTENCE HAD TOO MANY SYLLABLES! APOLOGIZE!
Sana Rayya WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL Top Men. 827	Posted - 2014.02.16 18:49:00 - [47] - Quote My point is, people who want to farm ISK will find ways to do it regardless of what you do to counter them. If you limit ISK transfers then people will figure out other more disruptive ways to earn ISK if they really want it. I'd rather not have every other game I play sabotaged by players who just want to farm ISK, and as the ISK they earn will still be 3-4x the amount they'd get while playing seriously, you'd still end up with the same issue of players being able to run whatever they want without caring about losing money.
Lazy Scumbag Intara Direct Action Caldari State 136	Posted - 2014.02.16 18:51:00 - [48] - Quote Maybe then we can do away with the biomass timer, so we can have nonstop academy fun?
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 10916	Posted - 2014.02.16 19:13:00 - [49] - Quote Sana Rayya wrote: My point is, people who want to farm ISK will find ways to do it regardless of what you do to counter them. If you limit ISK transfers then people will figure out other more disruptive ways to earn ISK if they really want it. I'd rather not have every other game I play sabotaged by players who just want to farm ISK, and as the ISK they earn will still be 3-4x the amount they'd get while playing seriously, you'd still end up with the same issue of players being able to run whatever they want without caring about losing money. So you would rather just reward exploiters by keeping an exploitable mechanic that's easy to fix? If they find a more disruptive way to earn ISK, then we highlight it, and get it fixed. Videos / Fiction Closed Beta Vet; Incubus Pilot


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