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LEHON Xeon
Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN.
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Posted - 2014.02.14 14:10:00 -
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I have noticed for about the last month that at the end of matches, my Isk payout has been substantially reduced from what it used to be. I was in a match yesterday and obtained 1580 WP from killing enemies, hacking objectives, and supplying drop uplinks. However, at the end of the match, I got 7k SP, but the Isk payout was only 149k. WTH? Before, even without that much WP I used to consistently average around at least 200k per match and large WP matches paid well over 300k Isk. CCP had to have changed something somewhere recently.
It's a trap! In this patch we can't repel firepower of that magnitude! - Admiral Ackbar would say in ambush w Nyain San
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Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
2862
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Posted - 2014.02.14 14:16:00 -
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Played a domination where we were 30 clones down and they were into the armor on the MCC before we took it.
We ended up cloning them out with a slight lead on the MCC. It was one of the longest matches I've been in.
I finished 3rd on the leaderboard and got paid 211,000 ISK.
This is bullshit, plain and simple.
ML Director
Eve Toon - Raylan Scott
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Himiko Kuronaga
Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance
2948
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Posted - 2014.02.14 14:23:00 -
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The isk destroyed on the opposing side also plays a part in your overall payout.
For the last month people have been running a lot of militia gear for whatever reason. I imagine FW running people dry may have a part to play in this. But it's killing payout across the board.
Factor in vehicles have become much, much, much cheaper and thats another section of your paycheck that takes a major hit. |
Horizen Kenpachi
Kenpachi's Castle
164
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Posted - 2014.02.14 14:33:00 -
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I got 450 000 isk second place crushed so many protos god knows what first place got
Hit me with your nerf bat.
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The Infected One
Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance
780
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Posted - 2014.02.14 14:40:00 -
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Last night, best game: 3 of us + randoms VS team stack. Myself: Heavy + HMG 42/8 kills/deaths 3000+ WP Ivat Stark: Heavy + HMG 42/10 kills/deaths 3000+ WP Orion Sanjeet: Logi w/ core focused rep tool. 5/6 kills deaths 6000+ WP
Domination. We ended up cloning them. Orion took first place and made 980k ISK I took 2nd with around 700k ISK Ivat took 3rd with around 600k ISK
GG Generals! That was a hard fight!
I am here to ask you one question, and one question only: EXPLOSIONS?
THAT SENTENCE HAD TOO MANY SYLLABLES! APOLOGIZE!
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The Infected One
Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance
780
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Posted - 2014.02.14 14:41:00 -
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Double post, deleted. Why can a quote myself!? Stupid forums!
I am here to ask you one question, and one question only: EXPLOSIONS?
THAT SENTENCE HAD TOO MANY SYLLABLES! APOLOGIZE!
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LEHON Xeon
Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN.
222
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Posted - 2014.02.14 14:47:00 -
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Himiko Kuronaga wrote:The isk destroyed on the opposing side also plays a part in your overall payout.
For the last month people have been running a lot of militia gear for whatever reason. I imagine FW running people dry may have a part to play in this. But it's killing payout across the board.
Factor in vehicles have become much, much, much cheaper and thats another section of your paycheck that takes a major hit.
Makes sense
It's a trap! In this patch we can't repel firepower of that magnitude! - Admiral Ackbar would say in ambush w Nyain San
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Sam Booty
Valor Coalition
23
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Posted - 2014.02.14 14:53:00 -
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Himiko Kuronaga wrote:The isk destroyed on the opposing side also plays a part in your overall payout.
For the last month people have been running a lot of militia gear for whatever reason. I imagine FW running people dry may have a part to play in this. But it's killing payout across the board.
Factor in vehicles have become much, much, much cheaper and thats another section of your paycheck that takes a major hit.
Didn't know this. Please make vehicles cost more then.
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI
9139
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Posted - 2014.02.14 15:05:00 -
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I think your cut is based on your placement in the end scoreboard. While you may have got a ton of WP, many others likely got a to more WP than you; that's my guess at least. Its a crappy system.
Gû¦Gû+Supreme emperor god-kingpÇÉKAGEH¦PSHIpÇæ// Lord of threads // Forum alt Gû¦Gû+
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Altina McAlterson
Pure Innocence. EoN.
853
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Posted - 2014.02.14 15:12:00 -
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Sam Booty wrote:
Didn't know this. Please make vehicles cost more then.
Yup. The exact formula isn't known to the players but all evidence confirms that each match carries a small base pay rate. You get a percentage of that based on how much of the match you played. Then the total value of the enemy's gear that your team destroys is pooled, maths are applied, and then ISK is distributed based on WP.
Long time ago during closed BETA they had people at an Asian Gaming Convention (can't remember actual name) try out the game using special DEV-only gear. I played solo up against 2 of them and went 19-1 and got payed 7.5 million ISK for the match. Fun times.
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:I think your cut is based on your placement in the end scoreboard. While you may have got a ton of WP, many others likely got a to more WP than you; that's my guess at least. Its a crappy system. It's not a crappy system because otherwise how would non-combat players get ISK? We all need logibros.
Good Advice
Grey 17 should have stayed missing.
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LEHON Xeon
Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN.
222
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Posted - 2014.02.14 19:12:00 -
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:I think your cut is based on your placement in the end scoreboard. While you may have got a ton of WP, many others likely got a to more WP than you; that's my guess at least. Its a crappy system.
Usually I always come in around the top of the board. Usually always in top 5 somewhere.
It's a trap! In this patch we can't repel firepower of that magnitude! - Admiral Ackbar would say in ambush w Nyain San
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Rynoceros
Rise Of Old Dudes
2484
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Posted - 2014.02.14 19:35:00 -
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ISK destroyed should go solely to who destroyed it. Not divided among the team and including Mr. 0/13 and the guy AFKing while he went to take a **** or watching Parker Lewis Can't Lose on Netflix.
I GÖú Kittens.
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Viktor Hadah Jr
Critical-Impact
2650
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Posted - 2014.02.14 19:38:00 -
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They should lower payout so less people wear proto.
Selling Templar BPO's(325Mil)
Richest Dust corp per capita, 100% corp activity ;-)
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Darken-Soul
BIG BAD W0LVES
662
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Posted - 2014.02.14 19:40:00 -
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Rynoceros wrote:ISK destroyed should go solely to who destroyed it. Not divided among the team and including Mr. 0/13 and the guy AFKing while he went to take a **** or watching Parker Lewis Can't Lose on Netflix.
so a sniper who waits and steals kills should get more than the guys he's stealing from?
Who wants some?
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MarasdF Loron
Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance
161
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Posted - 2014.02.14 20:43:00 -
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Rynoceros wrote:ISK destroyed should go solely to who destroyed it. Not divided among the team and including Mr. 0/13 and the guy AFKing while he went to take a **** or watching Parker Lewis Can't Lose on Netflix. What about logibros who can really turn the tides of battles without getting a single kill? Or Dropship pilots (not ADS)?
R.I.P. Pre-1.7 tanks, you will be missed.
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Rynoceros
Rise Of Old Dudes
2492
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Posted - 2014.02.14 20:45:00 -
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Darken-Soul wrote:Rynoceros wrote:ISK destroyed should go solely to who destroyed it. Not divided among the team and including Mr. 0/13 and the guy AFKing while he went to take a **** or watching Parker Lewis Can't Lose on Netflix. so a sniper who waits and steals kills should get more than the guys he's stealing from? I guess. I'll steal their Kills all day, too.
I GÖú Kittens.
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Rynoceros
Rise Of Old Dudes
2492
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Posted - 2014.02.14 20:49:00 -
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MarasdF Loron wrote:Rynoceros wrote:ISK destroyed should go solely to who destroyed it. Not divided among the team and including Mr. 0/13 and the guy AFKing while he went to take a **** or watching Parker Lewis Can't Lose on Netflix. What about logibros who can really turn the tides of battles without getting a single kill? Or Dropship pilots (not ADS)? I really don't know. My main point was that the useless fucks at the bottom shouldn't get something for nothing. Not to say they didn't try, but the real winners shouldn't be forced to conduct a charity on their behalf.
I GÖú Kittens.
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LEHON Xeon
Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN.
223
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Posted - 2014.02.14 23:18:00 -
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Rynoceros wrote:MarasdF Loron wrote:Rynoceros wrote:ISK destroyed should go solely to who destroyed it. Not divided among the team and including Mr. 0/13 and the guy AFKing while he went to take a **** or watching Parker Lewis Can't Lose on Netflix. What about logibros who can really turn the tides of battles without getting a single kill? Or Dropship pilots (not ADS)? I really don't know. My main point was that the useless fucks at the bottom shouldn't get something for nothing. Not to say they didn't try, but the real winners shouldn't be forced to conduct a charity on their behalf.
I agree entirely. As for logibros and yes I partially run logistics with full equipment (also do combat effectively though), they should receive Isk. They contribute to WP through scans, reps, revives, respawns and hives. It's all these guys at the bottom of the boards that go 0-10, 0-17 with 0 or 25 WP that shouldn't get much of anything.
As for dropship pilots, for certain maps I actually depend heavily on those, so yes they should get WP. Perhaps there can be some sort of bonuses pilots can get if someone drops in from their ships and gets a hack within a certain time, or gets kills. If we have a great pilot who calls in dropships at the start of a match, I'll use my logi suit with multiple uplinks types and put them on roofs and towers.
It's a trap! In this patch we can't repel firepower of that magnitude! - Admiral Ackbar would say in ambush w Nyain San
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Henchmen21
Planet Express LLC
547
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Posted - 2014.02.14 23:30:00 -
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MarasdF Loron wrote:Rynoceros wrote:ISK destroyed should go solely to who destroyed it. Not divided among the team and including Mr. 0/13 and the guy AFKing while he went to take a **** or watching Parker Lewis Can't Lose on Netflix. What about logibros who can really turn the tides of battles without getting a single kill? Or Dropship pilots (not ADS)?
Yea, I went 2/7 last night While keeping my team repped, revived and supplied. Came in 3rd and there is no way I made isk in that match. Even with being revived myself 2 times, at 61K a death I didn't make enough to make it worth it if I was interested in anything other then the win.
CCP your matchmaking sucks
Henchmen21: Infantry
Gotyougood Ufkr: Vehicles
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Yokal Bob
G.R.A.V.E INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS
356
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Posted - 2014.02.14 23:30:00 -
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What you have to remember is that most of those who go 0-10 are players without much sp most of the time. giving them less isk is not an insentive for them to keep playing
CPM1 candidate
I want my logi tank back
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Deltahawk Durango
Subsonic Synthesis RISE of LEGION
90
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Posted - 2014.02.14 23:40:00 -
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Rynoceros wrote:MarasdF Loron wrote:Rynoceros wrote:ISK destroyed should go solely to who destroyed it. Not divided among the team and including Mr. 0/13 and the guy AFKing while he went to take a **** or watching Parker Lewis Can't Lose on Netflix. What about logibros who can really turn the tides of battles without getting a single kill? Or Dropship pilots (not ADS)? I really don't know. My main point was that the useless fucks at the bottom shouldn't get something for nothing. Not to say they didn't try, but the real winners shouldn't be forced to conduct a charity on their behalf.
wow... u really hate new players don't you...
I don't believe in an eye for an eye...
I believe in two eyes for an eye!
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Benjamin Ciscko
Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance
1677
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Posted - 2014.02.14 23:41:00 -
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Himiko Kuronaga wrote:The isk destroyed on the opposing side also plays a part in your overall payout.
For the last month people have been running a lot of militia gear for whatever reason. I imagine FW running people dry may have a part to play in this. But it's killing payout across the board.
Factor in vehicles have become much, much, much cheaper and thats another section of your paycheck that takes a major hit. This, I went 18-2 a couple matches ago I think almost all of them were tank kills I know for sure I got one passenger one FG'er and ran someone down so I blew up roughly 15 tanks. This one guy must have been made of money because in two separate rounds he kept throwing ION cannon Madrugars at me I saw him in a previous ambush I farmed so many tank kills off him I thought he was Nyain San. do I killed probably around 5 million worth of ISK and got roughly 745,000 ISK it's not WP to extent but it's mainly ISK destroyed clone a team of full proto's with some expensive tanks and ADS's mixed in and place #1 on the leaderboards (that's where the wp's come in) and you should get significantly higher ISK than normal. I average 250K-360K a game vs. good opponents it's all about the gear. Once they fix match making so better opponents face you, you will get more ISK for killing more proto's.
Caldari Tanker/Minmatar Assault
Forum warrior lvl 1
Prof. V scrub
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Lorhak Gannarsein
Science For Death
1662
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Posted - 2014.02.14 23:47:00 -
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LEHON Xeon wrote:Rynoceros wrote:MarasdF Loron wrote:Rynoceros wrote:ISK destroyed should go solely to who destroyed it. Not divided among the team and including Mr. 0/13 and the guy AFKing while he went to take a **** or watching Parker Lewis Can't Lose on Netflix. What about logibros who can really turn the tides of battles without getting a single kill? Or Dropship pilots (not ADS)? I really don't know. My main point was that the useless fucks at the bottom shouldn't get something for nothing. Not to say they didn't try, but the real winners shouldn't be forced to conduct a charity on their behalf. I agree entirely. As for logibros and yes I partially run logistics with full equipment (also do combat effectively though), they should receive Isk. They contribute to WP through scans, reps, revives, respawns and hives. It's all these guys at the bottom of the boards that go 0-10, 0-17 with 0 or 25 WP that shouldn't get much of anything. As for dropship pilots, for certain maps I actually depend heavily on those, so yes they should get WP. Perhaps there can be some sort of bonuses pilots can get if someone drops in from their ships and gets a hack within a certain time, or gets kills. If we have a great pilot who calls in dropships at the start of a match, I'll use my logi suit with multiple uplinks types and put them on roofs and towers.
We already have this.
What I'm reading from this thread is little more than this: 'screw those damn noobs. How dare they be on my team and go totally negative because they can't compete effectively with experienced, high-SP players!'.
Happily printing ISK with permahardeners and MLT blasters.
Just let me get a couple mil more before nerf, CCP!
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LUGMOS
YELLOW JESUS EXP FORCE
314
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Posted - 2014.02.14 23:48:00 -
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The ISK system is wonky, as low level players with low grade gear get no money when facing a team of proto since they will likely not be able to compete with them. The proto gear people can compete with everything, including other protos. This bit of information leads to the conclusion that the most competitive, high-scoring games lead to the biggest payouts, which then lays the blame on matchmaking for the low-ISK payouts.
The biggest threat to my scout is everything.
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deezy dabest
CLONES AGAINST HUMANITY
197
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Posted - 2014.02.15 00:13:00 -
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Playstation Blog on Isk Payouts
Quote: Money ISK is the primary currency in the EVE Universe and a necessity for fighting wars. You will earn ISK from each battle you fight. The size of the reward depends on your contribution and the cost of the battle. Those who contribute more are rewarded handsomely, but all mercs are guaranteed a solid income.
A portion of the reward pool for each battle depends on the value of items destroyed in the battle. If the battle saw countless vehicles and expensive prototype gear destroyed, everyone is in for bigger rewards. ISK rewards are calculated as follows for each participant:
Base rewards: Every mercenary receives basic compensation for each battle they fight. The size of the reward depends on the time you spent fighting, so joining a battle late will net you lower earnings. Value of objects destroyed in battle has no bearing on this part of the reward.
Team rewards: The total rewards calculated from the value destroyed are split between the participating teams, with the winning team earning a larger share. Then, each participant earns a cut of the total rewards that their team received based on the time they spent in the battle. If youGÇÖre late to the party, youGÇÖll earn a smaller cut. Individual rewards: Finally, every participant receives a reward based on their individual contribution on the battlefield. Mercs earn war points based on their actions in the course of each battle, and the more war points you score, the higher your cut of the total payout.
Having a solid income is necessary, as you will be using the ISK you earn to buy upgrades, and to resupply any gear you lose during combat. Everything you take into battle in DUST 514 can get destroyed. Luckily, most items are in ready supply should you have the cash.
Joining a player-run corporation might make your life more comfortable and earn you reliable funding, but you will have to rely on your personal earnings until you find a corporation to take you in.
That system is one thing I like since it screws proto stompers redlining and causing the militia suits to flow as well as giving a greater reward to those who keep flooding them with cheap suits and take out a few of them or even turn the tide of battle with a good flank. |
The Infected One
Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance
786
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Posted - 2014.02.15 00:19:00 -
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As far as we can figure it goes something like this.
Total ISK value destroyed in battle (Total base payout pool) Suits, vehicles, installations Time spent in battle (Adds to your part of the cut) Placement on the leader board at the end, and WP earned. (Adds to your part of the cut)
Both #1's on each team get the highest payout on their team. Even if team A wins, if team B's #1 has more WP than team A's does, chances are that team B's #1 is getting a higher payout.
Meaning that even if YOU don't personally do all the killing, but the enemy team uses all high end gear and a bunch of non BPO items/vehicles that get destroyed, plus the amount of time YOU spent in battle, plus YOUR contribution to the team effort (WP) = Your payout.
Yes this hurts new players because they can't always contribute to the battle in the form of killing due to how the matchmaking is currently set up. What new players CAN do though is run MLT fits and avoid battle unless absolutely necessary and drop as many uplinks and hives as they can. Stick close behind squads of more experienced players with a rep tool, and a needle, DO NOT RUSH IN FOR A PICKUP UNTIL THE OTHER PLAYERS CLEAR THE AREA, but please feel free to add whatever you can in terms of firepower to aid them. Do not just pick them up and run away (Nobody likes a dirty needle), if you aren't running a logi suit (Even a basic, do they still make MLT logi suits?) and you don't have a rep tool, at least stay with them until they are up and moving again, but for the love of slaughtering the Aamar MAKE SURE THE AREA IS CLEAR BEFORE GOING FOR THE REVIVE or you and your new would be friend (Who could have been revived and kept his suit) are killed (again) by whoever is watching.
If you are pinned down and need to move, think outside the box, cause a distraction and run the other way. (Even an AV grenade thrown at a player will flinch them for a sec until they realize that its harmless) <--- That right there could be the difference of 1 or 2 shots that might kill you, landing on you or not during your escape.
I am here to ask you one question, and one question only: EXPLOSIONS?
THAT SENTENCE HAD TOO MANY SYLLABLES! APOLOGIZE!
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Altina McAlterson
Pure Innocence. EoN.
856
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Posted - 2014.02.15 00:23:00 -
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Rynoceros wrote:MarasdF Loron wrote:Rynoceros wrote:ISK destroyed should go solely to who destroyed it. Not divided among the team and including Mr. 0/13 and the guy AFKing while he went to take a **** or watching Parker Lewis Can't Lose on Netflix. What about logibros who can really turn the tides of battles without getting a single kill? Or Dropship pilots (not ADS)? I really don't know. My main point was that the useless fucks at the bottom shouldn't get something for nothing. Not to say they didn't try, but the real winners shouldn't be forced to conduct a charity on their behalf. It's spit up based on WP so if they're useless and don't do anything they don't get any of your money. I don't understand what you're on about.
Good Advice
Grey 17 should have stayed missing.
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Michael Arck
Onuoto Uakan Huogaatsu
3204
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Posted - 2014.02.15 00:26:00 -
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Himiko hit the nail on the head. There isn't much money being burned in pub matches. Just look at the sudden influx of newer players. I'm seeing names that I don't recognize. Plus folks are running around in cheaper fits. All those factors combined and you're not going to make much money in a pub match.
Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu.
For the State!!
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CYRAX SERVIUS
Death Firm. Canis Eliminatus Operatives
885
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Posted - 2014.02.15 00:27:00 -
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Himiko Kuronaga wrote:The isk destroyed on the opposing side also plays a part in your overall payout.
For the last month people have been running a lot of militia gear for whatever reason. I imagine FW running people dry may have a part to play in this. But it's killing payout across the board.
Factor in vehicles have become much, much, much cheaper and thats another section of your paycheck that takes a major hit. People are finally getting smart about not losing good gear to the protostompers and or, maybe some of the protostompers are running cheap gear for a challenge, or realize there is no point to run proto 24/7 when you have skill...
CEO
Whiskey squad leader
Invictus Maneo~"I Remain Unvanquished"~
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Monkey MAC
Rough Riders..
1971
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Posted - 2014.02.15 00:40:00 -
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Cheaper Suits on the Field Tanks cost less blow up less Faster Matches?
All attribute to lower payout.
Spkr4thedead: Me > AV
This is why tanks are unbalanced
Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl.
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