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Monkey MAC
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Posted - 2014.02.15 00:41:00 -
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CYRAX SERVIUS wrote:Himiko Kuronaga wrote:The isk destroyed on the opposing side also plays a part in your overall payout.
For the last month people have been running a lot of militia gear for whatever reason. I imagine FW running people dry may have a part to play in this. But it's killing payout across the board.
Factor in vehicles have become much, much, much cheaper and thats another section of your paycheck that takes a major hit. People are finally getting smart about not losing good gear to the protostompers and or, maybe some of the protostompers are running cheap gear for a challenge, or realize there is no point to run proto 24/7 when you have skill...
Well I went from 80,000 ISK advanced suit to a 3,000 ISK Frontline, not worth loosing money as well as ratios.
Spkr4thedead: Me > AV
This is why tanks are unbalanced
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Altina McAlterson
Pure Innocence.
EoN.
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Posted - 2014.02.15 00:51:00 -
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Something no one has mentioned is what the bottom of your team's leaderboard looks like. They made AFK'ing a match much more difficult and the game really isn't drawing new players anymore. You might be seeing new names but they are probably ALT's. Both of those things mean you're going to have less people on your team going 0/15 with 50 WP meaning that you might be getting your normal amount of WP but that all of a sudden represents a smaller portion of your team total.
Although that is probably not as big a contributor to the drop in pay compared to people running cheaper suits and the huge reduction in vehicle cost but it is probably the reason so many players get confused about how the payout system works.
Good Advice
Grey 17 should have stayed missing.
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Oxskull Duncarino
Tickle My Null-Sac
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Posted - 2014.02.15 00:52:00 -
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The Infected One wrote:Last night, best game:
3 of us + randoms VS team stack.
Myself: Heavy + HMG 42/8 kills/deaths 3000+ WP
Ivat Stark: Heavy + HMG 42/10 kills/deaths 3000+ WP
Orion Sanjeet: Logi w/ core focused rep tool. 5/6 kills deaths 6000+ WP
Domination.
We ended up cloning them.
Orion took first place and made 980k ISK
I took 2nd with around 700k ISK
Ivat took 3rd with around 600k ISK
GG Generals! That was a hard fight!
This is a good example of how it works. The payout isn't just based on your position on the board, it's based on what percentage your WPs are in comparison to everyone else's in comparison to the WP of the whole team added up. In the above case the three lads combined WPs probable consisted of over 3/5 of total WP, excellent scores by them and well deserved payout, leaving less than 2/5 of the ISK pool to be split between the other 13 players, graded on their WPs %.
If all 16 players got the same amount of WPs each then the payout would be fairly small as the total ISK payout would be evenly split 16 ways.
I was in a game earlier on where my full squad got 5 OBs, with everyone on the squad more than pulling their weight, and plenty of proto FW gear being used by the opposition. I went 42-7 with nearly 2,500 WP and finishing in third, yet only got just over 260,000 ISK in part because the main bulk of the overall ISK was split between the full squad. I would have liked the payout to be a bit more but if everyone is dealing with the same I'll put up with it.
Something that I think is reducing the overall pool of ISK to be split at end of game alot, is that all the FW gear that people are using that is lost, is only being factored for how much ISK it cost to buy, regardless of the fact that its full ISK equivalent is massively more expensive. It's the same issue with Aurum gear, but Aurum gear is less common than FW gear is. |
Sgt Buttscratch
lcritMYpantS
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Posted - 2014.02.15 00:53:00 -
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Try hard with my heavy, go 25+killss,always fighting ETC, gets me ...150k
Redline snipe, but not actually snipe,go 7/0 lol, get 200k
I stick my weiner in two buns and and then give it the gas
Sour cream from my spleen into Levi jeans
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Oxskull Duncarino
Tickle My Null-Sac
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Posted - 2014.02.15 01:00:00 -
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Sgt Buttscratch wrote:Try hard with my heavy, go 25+killss,always fighting ETC, gets me ...150k
Redline snipe, but not actually snipe,go 7/0 lol, get 200k
I now that feeling. The best one I had so far was on Spine Crescent. Began in the south, LAVed to Alpha on the bridge, hacked it, got a phone call, drove back to ground spawn to temporary afk but ended up out for the whole game.........................placed 5 with 235,000 isk payout |
LEHON Xeon
Ahrendee Mercenaries
EoN.
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Posted - 2014.02.15 01:46:00 -
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Oxskull Duncarino wrote:The Infected One wrote:Last night, best game:
3 of us + randoms VS team stack.
Myself: Heavy + HMG 42/8 kills/deaths 3000+ WP
Ivat Stark: Heavy + HMG 42/10 kills/deaths 3000+ WP
Orion Sanjeet: Logi w/ core focused rep tool. 5/6 kills deaths 6000+ WP
Domination.
We ended up cloning them.
Orion took first place and made 980k ISK
I took 2nd with around 700k ISK
Ivat took 3rd with around 600k ISK
GG Generals! That was a hard fight! This is a good example of how it works. The payout isn't just based on your position on the board, it's based on what percentage your WPs are in comparison to everyone else's in comparison to the WP of the whole team added up. In the above case the three lads combined WPs probable consisted of over 3/5 of total WP, excellent scores by them and well deserved payout, leaving less than 2/5 of the ISK pool to be split between the other 13 players, graded on their WPs %. If all 16 players got the same amount of WPs each then the payout would be fairly small as the total ISK payout would be evenly split 16 ways. I was in a game earlier on where my full squad got 5 OBs, with everyone on the squad more than pulling their weight, and plenty of proto FW gear being used by the opposition. I went 42-7 with nearly 2,500 WP and finishing in third, yet only got just over 260,000 ISK in part because the main bulk of the overall ISK was split between the full squad. I would have liked the payout to be a bit more but if everyone is dealing with the same I'll put up with it. Something that I think is reducing the overall pool of ISK to be split at end of game alot, is that all the FW gear that people are using that is lost, is only being factored for how much ISK it cost to buy, regardless of the fact that its full ISK equivalent is massively more expensive. It's the same issue with Aurum gear, but Aurum gear is less common than FW gear is.
Well, that does make sense to an extent. I can remember way back though, that even getting small amounts of WP, while wearing only militia frontline suits, I was still making a minimum of 200k a match with only about 500 WP in Ambushes. Main difference back then though was I ran solo matches all the time.
I also "downgraded" my suits. I used to run proto logi suits constantly because I liked carrying equipment in matches. Just running advanced assault suits now as I'd rather take in a sidearm and have more mobility.
The FW suit problem I'm sure contributes heavily to it as well.
It's a trap! In this patch we can't repel firepower of that magnitude! - Admiral Ackbar would say in ambush w Nyain San
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Altina McAlterson
Pure Innocence.
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Posted - 2014.02.15 02:04:00 -
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Oxskull Duncarino wrote:
Something that I think is reducing the overall pool of ISK to be split at end of game alot, is that all the FW gear that people are using that is lost, is only being factored for how much ISK it cost to buy, regardless of the fact that its full ISK equivalent is massively more expensive. It's the same issue with Aurum gear, but Aurum gear is less common than FW gear is.
I don't know about FW gear but as far as I know AUR gear is added to the pool at market value so I would assume FW is too. Anecdotal evidence confirms this, at least for AUR gear. Not to mention it would be incredibly stupid for CCP to not add the value to the pool.
Before you make jokes about CCP doing stupid things I know...but you have to give them a bit of credit as they do tend to get the simple things right, especially when it comes to economics. Now I paid you a compliment CCP so don't you screw me and make me look like an ass.
Good Advice
Grey 17 should have stayed missing.
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CommanderBolt
ACME SPECIAL FORCES
Legacy Rising
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Posted - 2014.02.15 02:07:00 -
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ISK payout as well as SP payout has been dropping significantly since chromosome (From my experience.) |
Oxskull Duncarino
Tickle My Null-Sac
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Posted - 2014.02.15 02:09:00 -
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Altina McAlterson wrote:Oxskull Duncarino wrote:
Something that I think is reducing the overall pool of ISK to be split at end of game alot, is that all the FW gear that people are using that is lost, is only being factored for how much ISK it cost to buy, regardless of the fact that its full ISK equivalent is massively more expensive. It's the same issue with Aurum gear, but Aurum gear is less common than FW gear is.
I don't know about FW gear but as far as I know AUR gear is added to the pool at market value so I would assume FW is too. Anecdotal evidence confirms this, at least for AUR gear. Not to mention it would be incredibly stupid for CCP to not add the value to the pool. Before you make jokes about CCP doing stupid things I know...but you have to give them a bit of credit as they do tend to get the simple things right, especially when it comes to economics. Now I paid you a compliment CCP so don't you screw me and make me look like an ass.
That's news to me but great if it's true. I've been under the impression for the last year and half that Aurum gear was treated like BPOs and just had their ISK value left out of the pot. I may hit up CCP or the CPM to put my mind at ease. Cheers. |
Oxskull Duncarino
Tickle My Null-Sac
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Posted - 2014.02.15 02:12:00 -
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Lol and Yeh, I was about to joke about CCP's occasional off the beaten track(that's the nicest way I can put it) approach. |
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