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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI
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Posted - 2014.02.14 03:28:00 -
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It is one thing to want a respec because you're just tired of the stuff you skilled into.
It is another thing to want a respec for new content since racial variants (especially for dropsuits) should have been there on release, but instead we were forced to spec into things that otherwise would not be our first choice to stay competitive because we weren't provided with all the options. This I think makes a respec completely justified, but its not the biggest reason.
Its a completely different thing when CCP is changing the stats, bonuses, and slot layouts of suits. Such big fundamental things completely invalidates our choices, like buying a million dollar sports car, and then the manufacturers break into your garage, and change the car into a tractor; in such a case, you would feel that a refund for that car is something you are entitled to, likewise I feel that the 1.8 changes mean that infantry deserve in an SP refund. This is the biggest reason why a respec is absolutely required.
I thought the idea that these big changes warranted a respec would be clear and obvious to CCP, but CPM member Hans Jagerblitzen has informed me that its not guaranteed yet. This should be a guaranteed thing, not a maybe.
For those worried about the favorite-of-the-month chasers, the respecs do not create the the problems, its poor balancing that leads to FoTMs; they will just get nerfed and re-balanced anyway.
The fundamental issue is our choices not being invalidated. Many have claimed to oppose respecs because they say they want our choices to have meaning and consequence, but our choices need to be informed decisions to be meaningful; an uninformed choice is as meaningful as a coin toss. If the information (slots, stats, bonuses) about the things we chose changes, then the choice is no longer informed and meaningful since the information we made our choices on is no longer true.
So yeah, respec for 1.8 please.
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KING CHECKMATE
Tal-Romon Legion
Amarr Empire
4614
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Posted - 2014.02.14 03:30:00 -
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+1 to a Respec.
Also, this:
''Many have claimed to oppose respecs because they say they want our choices to have meaning and consequence, but our choices need to be informed decisions to be meaningful; an uninformed choice is as meaningful as a coin toss''
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Adelia Lafayette
Science For Death
657
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Posted - 2014.02.14 03:33:00 -
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+1 I've been yelling for a gallente heavy suit that isn't there. Where is my super suit!
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Godin Thekiller
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
1686
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Posted - 2014.02.14 03:34:00 -
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Honestly, 1.8 deserves a respec. It really does.I don't understand why some people STILL doesn't want it,or see why it is needed.
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Aero Yassavi
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
6712
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Posted - 2014.02.14 03:35:00 -
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Seems most of this sample space of a community agree that an infantry respec is obvious and deserved.
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Debacle Nano
BurgezzE.T.F
General Tso's Alliance
671
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Posted - 2014.02.14 03:38:00 -
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If we do get a respec, I am not touching my skill points till I know what's good.
Closed beta anyone?
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True Adamance
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
7061
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Posted - 2014.02.14 03:40:00 -
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Debacle Nano wrote:If we do get a respec, I am not touching my skill points till I know what's good.
That's how it will be. I will be honestly too scared to spend my SP until I know what's set in stone.
"Just know that though our enemies may only #YOLO, through God's grace we can #YOLF at his side." - Disciple of Kesha
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Adelia Lafayette
Science For Death
658
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Posted - 2014.02.14 03:43:00 -
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I'll spend it on something gallente. Probably won't wait long either. Also want to wear my quafe scout suit. lame the awesomest paint job requires 2.6mil sp to wear. Evil cpp is Evil
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI
9120
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Posted - 2014.02.14 03:43:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Debacle Nano wrote:If we do get a respec, I am not touching my skill points till I know what's good. That's how it will be. I will be honestly too scared to spend my SP until I know what's set in stone.
I'm glad I have a bunch of alts.
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Debacle Nano
BurgezzE.T.F
General Tso's Alliance
673
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Posted - 2014.02.14 03:45:00 -
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:True Adamance wrote:Debacle Nano wrote:If we do get a respec, I am not touching my skill points till I know what's good. That's how it will be. I will be honestly too scared to spend my SP until I know what's set in stone. I'm glad I have a bunch of alts.
That's not my alt.
Closed beta anyone?
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Joel II X
Dah Gods O Bacon
1012
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Posted - 2014.02.14 03:45:00 -
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I would let CCP bear my child if we get a respec for Infantry. |
Ayures II
Subdreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
487
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Posted - 2014.02.14 03:47:00 -
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I DESERVE a pony. |
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI
9122
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Posted - 2014.02.14 03:54:00 -
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Ayures II wrote:I DESERVE a pony.
Will the pony fix an issue about your choices that were supposed to be meaningful getting invalidated by CCP's changes?
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Awry Barux
New Eden Blades Of The Azure
Zero-Day
554
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Posted - 2014.02.14 03:58:00 -
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As always, no one says it better than Kagehoshi. +1
An example of the changes invalidating previous decisions: I generally run Min Logi, uplinks, hives, and a scanner. No rep tool because I'm not that kind of logi. I picked Min Logi for the hacking bonus (free complex codebreaker), which is being changed to a bonus to something that I have never used in the past and will never use in the future. That warrants a respec. |
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI
9127
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Posted - 2014.02.14 04:10:00 -
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Awry Barux wrote:As always, no one says it better than Kagehoshi. +1
An example of the changes invalidating previous decisions: I generally run Min Logi, uplinks, hives, and a scanner. No rep tool because I'm not that kind of logi. I picked Min Logi for the hacking bonus (free complex codebreaker), which is being changed to a bonus to something that I have never used in the past and will never use in the future. That warrants a respec.
Completely agree.
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DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
10760
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Posted - 2014.02.14 04:14:00 -
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1.8 respec decides if I stay or if I go.
No respec means ESO for me lol
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Aisha Ctarl
Company of Marcher Lords
Amarr Empire
3330
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Posted - 2014.02.14 04:19:00 -
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CCP is completely changing the stats of the suits AFTER we have invested our points into them...if they do not grant an infantry REFUND I can assure you the backlash from the community will have them tossing and turning in their beds at night.
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Joel II X
Dah Gods O Bacon
1030
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Posted - 2014.02.14 04:20:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:1.8 respec decides if I stay or if I go.
No respec means ESO for me lol
Can I have your isk? |
Berserker007
Imperfects
Negative-Feedback
401
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Posted - 2014.02.14 04:21:00 -
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:It is one thing to want a respec because you're just tired of the stuff you skilled into.
It is another thing to want a respec for new content since racial variants (especially for dropsuits) should have been there on release, but instead we were forced to spec into things that otherwise would not be our first choice to stay competitive because we weren't provided with all the options. This I think makes a respec completely justified, but its not the biggest reason.
Its a completely different thing when CCP is changing the stats, bonuses, and slot layouts of suits. Such big fundamental things completely invalidates our choices, like buying a million dollar sports car, and then the manufacturers break into your garage, and change the car into a tractor; in such a case, you would feel that a refund for that car is something you are entitled to, likewise I feel that the 1.8 changes mean that infantry deserve in an SP refund. This is the biggest reason why a respec is absolutely required.
I thought the idea that these big changes warranted a respec would be clear and obvious to CCP, but CPM member Hans Jagerblitzen has informed me that its not guaranteed yet. This should be a guaranteed thing, not a maybe.
For those worried about the favorite-of-the-month chasers, the respecs do not create the the problems, its poor balancing that leads to FoTMs; they will just get nerfed and re-balanced anyway.
The fundamental issue is our choices not being invalidated. Many have claimed to oppose respecs because they say they want our choices to have meaning and consequence, but our choices need to be informed decisions to be meaningful; an uninformed choice is as meaningful as a coin toss. If the information (slots, stats, bonuses) about the things we chose changes, then the choice is no longer informed and meaningful since the information we made our choices on is no longer true.
So yeah, respec for 1.8 please.
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Garth Mandra
The Southern Legion
The Umbra Combine
328
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Posted - 2014.02.14 04:23:00 -
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Refund of dropsuit skill tree not a respec. |
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Nocturnal Soul
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
1978
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Posted - 2014.02.14 04:24:00 -
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I deserve a respec because I put up with this games bs since chrom.
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI
9128
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Posted - 2014.02.14 04:25:00 -
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Joel II X wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:1.8 respec decides if I stay or if I go.
No respec means ESO for me lol Can I have your isk?
If he quits, I think I should get his ISK if he does quit. I'm broke after buying my Templar gear, I need it more, for stuff.
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Kaughst
Nyain San
Renegade Alliance
197
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Posted - 2014.02.14 04:28:00 -
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I think by far the biggest reason to do so is for heavies who were stuck in Amarr to reposition themselves into the racial playstyle they wanted to be in for a while. While it is not as drastic as the vehicle changes I hope that a respec will put a final nail in the coffin in ever wanting it again...
But be aware role bonuses and stat changes are going to be happening for a while in dust as they have in Eve.
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Joel II X
Dah Gods O Bacon
1031
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Posted - 2014.02.14 04:33:00 -
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:Joel II X wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:1.8 respec decides if I stay or if I go.
No respec means ESO for me lol Can I have your isk? If he quits, I think I should get his ISK if he does quit. I'm broke after buying my Templar gear, I need it more, for stuff.
I don't even have Templar gear. I think I need it more. |
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI
9128
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Posted - 2014.02.14 04:38:00 -
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Joel II X wrote:KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:Joel II X wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:1.8 respec decides if I stay or if I go.
No respec means ESO for me lol Can I have your isk? If he quits, I think I should get his ISK if he does quit. I'm broke after buying my Templar gear, I need it more, for stuff. I don't even have Templar gear. I think I need it more.
You're probably not even poor.
And to DUST Fiend, I don't inend it to be mean, but if you do quit, there's no reason for the ISK to go to waste.
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Joel II X
Dah Gods O Bacon
1035
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Posted - 2014.02.14 04:40:00 -
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:Joel II X wrote:KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:Joel II X wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:1.8 respec decides if I stay or if I go.
No respec means ESO for me lol Can I have your isk? If he quits, I think I should get his ISK if he does quit. I'm broke after buying my Templar gear, I need it more, for stuff. I don't even have Templar gear. I think I need it more. You're probably not even poor. And to DUST Fiend, I don't inend it to be mean, but if you do quit, there's no reason for the ISK to go to waste.
20mill. I gave 10mill to corp mates because they needed it 
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI
9129
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Posted - 2014.02.14 05:50:00 -
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I'm hoping to hear a decision from CCP
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Midas Fool
Black Phoenix Mercenaries
Legacy Rising
376
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Posted - 2014.02.14 07:07:00 -
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:Its a completely different thing when CCP is changing the stats, bonuses, and slot layouts of suits. Such big fundamental things completely invalidates our choices, like buying a million dollar sports car, and then the manufacturers break into your garage, and change the car into a tractor; in such a case, you would feel that a refund for that car is something you are entitled to, likewise I feel that the 1.8 changes mean that infantry deserve in an SP refund. This is the biggest reason why a respec is absolutely required.
I really wanted to criticize this analogy because it shows the exaggerating attitude that detracts the validity of many people's arguments. When you apply too much value to your argument then your dissenters know it's not true. A more accurate example would be: you go out and buy a cowboy hat because you are a cowboy; you wake up the next morning and it has been replaced with a beret. It is not a "downgrade" because it is still functionally a hat, the value that has been lost is not monetary or physical, but you are dissatisfied because it is not what you specifically wanted. You chose the cowboy hat because you wanted to exude the meaning that comes with it, and not the meaning that comes with a beret. You are implying that they took your hat and gave you a sock, and that's just not true.
If you want to be taken seriously don't exaggerate your personal value, and don't be surprised if people don't sympathize with it. As a dust-related example, I am sorry to the MinLogi speed hackers that aren't being sympathized with. The fact of the matter is that those who do not use your suit don't attach the value that you do to it. Don't get up in arms if people disagree that it is now "useless". Also on that note bonuses can only do so much. You can still get pretty close to what you had if get a suit that has 5 low-slots. And you can still do what you did before...you don't have to use your suit bonus...
Anyway...
I am normally against the idea of a respec but I agree with you on this to the point where I am pretty sure it would be reasonable to expect and prepare for one coming. Some people invested time, effort, SP, and sometimes real-world money in to what kind of merc they are for specific reasons, more than likely suit bonuses. If they are going to change then their work will have meant nothing, and that is not fair.
I'm going back into CalAssault regardless of bonus since I use my Raven/Dragonfly BPOs extensively.
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Chesyre Armundsen
Thanes Of Dust
423
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Posted - 2014.02.14 07:42:00 -
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Ayures II wrote:I DESERVE a pony.
Your Pony is getting nerfed in 1.9
Mihi gravato Deus - "Let God lay the burden on me!"
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Bendtner92
Imperfects
Negative-Feedback
1663
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Posted - 2014.02.14 08:18:00 -
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A Dropsuit Command respec will not suffice in this case. There has to be a full infantry respec.
If you for example want to switch from the Amarr Sentinel to Caldari Sentinel you no longer have any use for your armor skills, but will need shield skills instead. Thus there has to be a respec for Dropsuit Upgrades as well.
If you want to switch from Gallente Assault to Minmatar Assault and want to take full advantage of the suit bonus you no longer have any use of the Assault Rifle you skilled into, but will need the Combat Rifle instead. Thus there has to be a respec for Weaponry as well.
I can go on with reasons for a full infantry respec. The point is just that a Dropsuit Command respec won't be enough as different suits require entirely different SP investments.
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HYENAKILLER X
Ostrakon Agency
Gallente Federation
578
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Posted - 2014.02.14 08:20:00 -
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I think a respec would be great. it would really help me out.
Tanks are for pussies.
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Dovallis Martan JenusKoll
Osmon Surveillance
Caldari State
582
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Posted - 2014.02.14 08:20:00 -
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI
9139
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Posted - 2014.02.14 14:58:00 -
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Midas Fool wrote:KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:Its a completely different thing when CCP is changing the stats, bonuses, and slot layouts of suits. Such big fundamental things completely invalidates our choices, like buying a million dollar sports car, and then the manufacturers break into your garage, and change the car into a tractor; in such a case, you would feel that a refund for that car is something you are entitled to, likewise I feel that the 1.8 changes mean that infantry deserve in an SP refund. This is the biggest reason why a respec is absolutely required. I really wanted to criticize this analogy because it shows the exaggerating attitude that detracts the validity of many people's arguments. When you apply too much value to your argument then your dissenters know it's not true. A more accurate example would be: you go out and buy a cowboy hat because you are a cowboy; you wake up the next morning and it has been replaced with a beret. It is not a "downgrade" because it is still functionally a hat, the value that has been lost is not monetary or physical, but you are dissatisfied because it is not what you specifically wanted. You chose the cowboy hat because you wanted to exude the meaning that comes with it, and not the meaning that comes with a beret. You are implying that they took your hat and gave you a sock, and that's just not true. If you want to be taken seriously don't exaggerate your personal value, and don't be surprised if people don't sympathize with it. As a dust-related example, I am sorry to the MinLogi speed hackers that aren't being sympathized with. The fact of the matter is that those who do not use your suit don't attach the value that you do to it. Don't get up in arms if people disagree that it is now "useless". Also on that note bonuses can only do so much. You can still get pretty close to what you had if get a suit that has 5 low-slots. And you can still do what you did before...you don't have to use your suit bonus... Anyway... I am normally against the idea of a respec but I agree with you on this to the point where I am pretty sure it would be reasonable to expect and prepare for one coming. Some people invested time, effort, SP, and sometimes real-world money in to what kind of merc they are for specific reasons, more than likely suit bonuses. If they are going to change then their work will have meant nothing, and that is not fair. I'm going back into CalAssault regardless of bonus since I use my Raven/Dragonfly BPOs extensively.
A tractor is not necessarily a downgrade, it just performs a different purpose. If you are playing the role of a farmer, than a great new tractor is something you would want. If you bought he sports car for he purpose of racing though, you're screwed, much like if you speced on Minmatar logi for the purpose of hacking, you're screwed.
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Spectral Clone
Dust2Dust.
Top Men.
1238
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Posted - 2014.02.14 15:13:00 -
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Respec or ps3 is cannon fodder.
Drop it like its hat.
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Yeeeuuuupppp
KILL-EM-QUICK
RISE of LEGION
79
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Posted - 2014.02.14 16:03:00 -
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I just hope CCP doesn't derp this next one up. Respec = Great. Let's waste it on core upgrades and **** I'll get tired of using. No respec= Well looks like we're gonna have to do some work as always... I would like a nice giant chocolate cake in my merc quarters though and maybe a minmatar hooker. 1.8, gimme something to look forward to
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI
9144
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Posted - 2014.02.14 16:21:00 -
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Bendtner92 wrote:A Dropsuit Command respec will not suffice in this case. There has to be a full infantry respec.
If you for example want to switch from the Amarr Sentinel to Caldari Sentinel you no longer have any use for your armor skills, but will need shield skills instead. Thus there has to be a respec for Dropsuit Upgrades as well.
If you want to switch from Gallente Assault to Minmatar Assault and want to take full advantage of the suit bonus you no longer have any use of the Assault Rifle you skilled into, but will need the Combat Rifle instead. Thus there has to be a respec for Weaponry as well.
I can go on with reasons for a full infantry respec. The point is just that a Dropsuit Command respec won't be enough as different suits require entirely different SP investments.
Good points.
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calvin b
Ostrakon Agency
Gallente Federation
1463
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Posted - 2014.02.14 16:48:00 -
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Respec for I want what should have been available after BETA. Beta was a test to fix the game and to place all the items that was not available in BETA. So now that we are technically not in BETA can we please have a respec so I can play the role I wanted in the beginning.
A heavy before 1.8
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PO0KY
Virtual Syndicate
196
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Posted - 2014.02.14 17:07:00 -
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Damn... I frickn love you KAGEHOSHI |
boba's fetta
Dead Man's Game
280
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Posted - 2014.02.14 17:10:00 -
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i also belive that there should be a respec and that logi's are going to be a rare breed. esp as there equipment is being nerfed so badly. you will need proto ger to get advanced level results. unless you are using the right logi for the job. so i wont be respeccing into logi. unless the pg/cpu stat stays and the other bonues goes.
my name is boba and im a hoarder.
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Awry Barux
New Eden Blades Of The Azure
Zero-Day
564
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Posted - 2014.02.14 19:06:00 -
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Bendtner92 wrote:A Dropsuit Command respec will not suffice in this case. There has to be a full infantry respec.
If you for example want to switch from the Amarr Sentinel to Caldari Sentinel you no longer have any use for your armor skills, but will need shield skills instead. Thus there has to be a respec for Dropsuit Upgrades as well.
If you want to switch from Gallente Assault to Minmatar Assault and want to take full advantage of the suit bonus you no longer have any use of the Assault Rifle you skilled into, but will need the Combat Rifle instead. Thus there has to be a respec for Weaponry as well.
I can go on with reasons for a full infantry respec. The point is just that a Dropsuit Command respec won't be enough as different suits require entirely different SP investments.
QFT- anyone switching out of the logi class is going to have a ton of SP tied up in equipment. I'm definitely not shelling out for proto nanohives in 1.8 with 2/3 as many nanites.
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Rasatsu
Much Crying Old Experts
1058
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Posted - 2014.02.14 19:08:00 -
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I demand a reset, I have too much SP. |
DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
10775
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Posted - 2014.02.14 19:12:00 -
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:Joel II X wrote:KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:Joel II X wrote:DUST Fiend wrote:1.8 respec decides if I stay or if I go.
No respec means ESO for me lol Can I have your isk? If he quits, I think I should get his ISK if he does quit. I'm broke after buying my Templar gear, I need it more, for stuff. I don't even have Templar gear. I think I need it more. You're probably not even poor. And to DUST Fiend, I don't itnend it to be mean, but if you do quit, there's no reason for the ISK to go to waste.
I said quit, not Biomass
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI
9155
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Posted - 2014.02.14 22:17:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:Joel II X wrote:KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:Joel II X wrote:\
Can I have your isk? If he quits, I think I should get his ISK if he does quit. I'm broke after buying my Templar gear, I need it more, for stuff. I don't even have Templar gear. I think I need it more. You're probably not even poor. And to DUST Fiend, I don't itnend it to be mean, but if you do quit, there's no reason for the ISK to go to waste. I said quit, not Biomass
Oh well...
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Awry Barux
New Eden Blades Of The Azure
Zero-Day
567
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Posted - 2014.02.15 01:14:00 -
[44] - Quote
Shameless bump for CCP's attention. Why don't you love me daddy? |
Miokai Zahou
The Southern Legion
The Umbra Combine
141
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Posted - 2014.02.15 01:31:00 -
[45] - Quote
i absolutely do not agree on a full respec for 1.8 but a skill tree REFUND for the drop suit and weapons tree I do agree on, the Drop Suit Upgrade tree is fine.
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI
9161
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Posted - 2014.02.15 01:34:00 -
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Miokai Zahou wrote:i absolutely do not agree on a full respec for 1.8 but a skill tree REFUND for the drop suit and weapons tree I do agree on, the Drop Suit Upgrade tree is fine.
I never got why people use the word respec and SP refund as if they don't mean the same thing; they mean the same thing. A full respec is the same thing as a full SP refund, and a partial respec is the same as a partial refund.
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Awry Barux
New Eden Blades Of The Azure
Zero-Day
568
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Posted - 2014.02.15 01:34:00 -
[47] - Quote
Miokai Zahou wrote:i absolutely do not agree on a full respec for 1.8 but a skill tree REFUND for the drop suit and weapons tree I do agree on, the Drop Suit Upgrade tree is fine.
No. If I'm switching from logi to heavy, I should get my equipment skills back. People switching from Amarr heavy to Cal heavy need to switch their armor skills for shield skills. Etc etc etc |
DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
10785
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Posted - 2014.02.15 01:35:00 -
[48] - Quote
Miokai Zahou wrote:i absolutely do not agree on a full respec for 1.8 but a skill tree REFUND for the drop suit and weapons tree I do agree on, the Drop Suit Upgrade tree is fine.
It makes 0 sense not to refund upgrades if you're refunding Command and Weaponry.
Caldari scouts with max skills in plates and armor reps? Heavies with scanners and kin cats?
I could go on and on.
Full infantry respec or bust.
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Awry Barux
New Eden Blades Of The Azure
Zero-Day
580
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Posted - 2014.02.15 08:01:00 -
[49] - Quote
This topic isn't leaving the front page of general discussion until CCP gives an answer. |
Thrillhouse Van Houten
DIOS EX.
General Tso's Alliance
80
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Posted - 2014.02.15 09:07:00 -
[50] - Quote
Totally agree.
Those who don't want a respec...can always respec the exact same skills if they want to. The fact of the matter is that the suit and racial bonuses are not being TWEAKED they are being CHANGED outright.
When they gave vehicles a blowjob in 1.7, that came with a vehicle skill respec (all three trees). Making the absurd number of changes they are proposing for infantry, they should give us the same treatment (all three trees).
Midas Fool wrote:
I really wanted to criticize this analogy because it shows the exaggerating attitude that detracts the validity of many people's arguments. When you apply too much value to your argument then your dissenters know it's not true. A more accurate example would be: you go out and buy a cowboy hat because you are a cowboy; you wake up the next morning and it has been replaced with a beret. It is not a "downgrade" because it is still functionally a hat, the value that has been lost is not monetary or physical, but you are dissatisfied because it is not what you specifically wanted. You chose the cowboy hat because you wanted to exude the meaning that comes with it, and not the meaning that comes with a beret. You are implying that they took your hat and gave you a sock, and that's just not true.
If you want to be taken seriously don't exaggerate your personal value, and don't be surprised if people don't sympathize with it. As a dust-related example, I am sorry to the MinLogi speed hackers that aren't being sympathized with. The fact of the matter is that those who do not use your suit don't attach the value that you do to it. Don't get up in arms if people disagree that it is now "useless". Also on that note bonuses can only do so much. You can still get pretty close to what you had if get a suit that has 5 low-slots. And you can still do what you did before...you don't have to use your suit bonus....
I thought the tractor/sports car analogy worked pretty well, actually. Maybe he should have gone with sports car and luxury sedan to keep things a little more relative.
...and a cowboy hat may just be worn for style, but it certainly has a number of physical functions that one might miss. Say, for example, the wider brim to keep the sun out of your eyes.
People asking for a respec aren't just whining because they are bored with their suits and want a change of pace. Some might be but I know I'm not one of them. I have been Cal Logi since they existed. When they changed the suit bonus from a shield extender bonus to a shield regulator bonus, I was a little chopped up. I missed out on a fourth equipment slot because I wanted the extra eHP and they took it from me. Since it was only a little tweak, and they didn't do it to every suit and race bonus...I rolled with it. THAT is what happens in EVE, most of the time. Not EVERY bonus on EVERY suit with a handful of new suits that weren't in the game in the last build, too.
If you're going to introduce systemic changes to the way basically every suit operates then you need to throw your players a bone and let them make decisions based on the new stats. These are all legit reasons for a respec but the fact is DUST will lose too many players just from not having a respec. That reason alone, as pandering and odious as it can be (and as carefully as this line should be towed), should be enough to push CCP over the edge. We need more players, not less.
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Piraten Hovnoret
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
305
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Posted - 2014.02.15 09:12:00 -
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I have one more
Wy is it okey for tanks get respec and not infantry
They TOTALY remade tanks avs now they are TOTALY remaking infantry.
So yeah respec on the suits for that sole resone
War never changes
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Baal Omniscient
L.O.T.I.S.
D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
1097
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Posted - 2014.02.15 10:14:00 -
[52] - Quote
Midas Fool wrote:KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:Its a completely different thing when CCP is changing the stats, bonuses, and slot layouts of suits. Such big fundamental things completely invalidates our choices, like buying a million dollar sports car, and then the manufacturers break into your garage, and change the car into a tractor; in such a case, you would feel that a refund for that car is something you are entitled to, likewise I feel that the 1.8 changes mean that infantry deserve in an SP refund. This is the biggest reason why a respec is absolutely required. I really wanted to criticize this analogy because it shows the exaggerating attitude that detracts the validity of many people's arguments. When you apply too much value to your argument then your dissenters know it's not true. A more accurate example would be: you go out and buy a cowboy hat because you are a cowboy; you wake up the next morning and it has been replaced with a beret. It is not a "downgrade" because it is still functionally a hat, the value that has been lost is not monetary or physical, but you are dissatisfied because it is not what you specifically wanted. You chose the cowboy hat because you wanted to exude the meaning that comes with it, and not the meaning that comes with a beret. You are implying that they took your hat and gave you a sock, and that's just not true. If you want to be taken seriously don't exaggerate your personal value, and don't be surprised if people don't sympathize with it. As a dust-related example, I am sorry to the MinLogi speed hackers that aren't being sympathized with. The fact of the matter is that those who do not use your suit don't attach the value that you do to it. Don't get up in arms if people disagree that it is now "useless". Also on that note bonuses can only do so much. You can still get pretty close to what you had if get a suit that has 5 low-slots. And you can still do what you did before...you don't have to use your suit bonus... Anyway... I am normally against the idea of a respec but I agree with you on this to the point where I am pretty sure it would be reasonable to expect and prepare for one coming. Some people invested time, effort, SP, and sometimes real-world money in to what kind of merc they are for specific reasons, more than likely suit bonuses. If they are going to change then their work will have meant nothing, and that is not fair. I'm going back into CalAssault regardless of bonus since I use my Raven/Dragonfly BPOs extensively.
Poor analogy as hats are mainly cosmetic, whereas these changes are far different than a change in appearances.
You want an accurate analogy?
It's like you bought an RPG, but overnight instead of firing rockets it changed to firing high-caliber projectile rounds like some shoulder-mounted cannon. It's still functional as a weapon, it still shoots stuff and everything, you can still use it to cause mayhem and destruction, but it serves a completely different purpose than what you bought it for. It's uses are limited in some ways to how it functioned before while being more useful in other ways, but if you bought it for the purpose of exploding the hell out of stuff, it's useless to you now.
/analogy
MAG ~ Raven
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Crimson Cerberes
Hammer Of Light
Covenant of the Phoenix Alliance
271
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Posted - 2014.02.15 10:20:00 -
[53] - Quote
Wow 43 upvotes for the OP, is this a record?
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI
9192
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Posted - 2014.02.15 15:48:00 -
[54] - Quote
I'm kind of surprised by the lack of anti-respec people.
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Scheneighnay McBob
Learning Coalition College
4030
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Posted - 2014.02.15 16:04:00 -
[55] - Quote
Dropsuits yes, but nothing else, save maybe sidearms.
Functionally, weapons and equipment don't change. Just how effective they are at said function changes.
I agree that dropsuit skills should be respecced, as the entire function of them is changing.
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Scheneighnay McBob
Learning Coalition College
4032
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Posted - 2014.02.15 16:09:00 -
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To put it better: No matter how they get nerfed, rail rifles will always be the long-range rail-based assault rifles. People who put SP into them should always expect that, and not be refunded SP unless they become something other than a long-range rail-based assault rifle.
Meanwhile, sentinels are changing from being based around heavy weapons to being based around resistances; since that changed what they are, their SP should be refunded.
I am your scan error.
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI
9193
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Posted - 2014.02.15 16:10:00 -
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Scheneighnay McBob wrote:Dropsuits yes, but nothing else, save maybe sidearms.
Functionally, weapons and equipment don't change. Just how effective they are at said function changes.
I agree that dropsuit skills should be respecced, as the entire function of them is changing.
Many people picked and skilled their weapons and equipment/modules to compliment their dropsuits. If you were a logi and specialized into a ton of equipment, but then chose to be a heavy after a dropsuit respec, what good are those equipment skills to you?
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Awry Barux
New Eden Blades Of The Azure
Zero-Day
597
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Posted - 2014.02.15 16:13:00 -
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Scheneighnay McBob wrote:Dropsuits yes, but nothing else, save maybe sidearms.
Functionally, weapons and equipment don't change. Just how effective they are at said function changes.
I agree that dropsuit skills should be respecced, as the entire function of them is changing.
Nope. Skilling into a different dropsuit necessitates very different SP distribution. If someone is switching from logi to heavy, what use would they have for equipment skills? If someone is switching from Amarr sentinel to Cal sentinel, they deserve to move their armor SP to shields. Etc etc etc (for the 3rd time in this thread)
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DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
10800
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Posted - 2014.02.15 16:18:00 -
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I'll just never wrap my head around why people would be opposed to respecs even just in general. I seriously think the New Eden SP mentality is poison in an FPS environment that can't even build a stable foundation.
I for one wouldn't care in the slightest if someone could respec at will before matches, it would not effect me at all. Now don't take that as me saying we should ever have on demand or even frequent respecs in DUST, but I acknowledge that this is a video game and so long as everyone is on a level playing field, I'm happy.
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI
9196
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Posted - 2014.02.15 17:14:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:I'll just never wrap my head around why people would be opposed to respecs even just in general. I seriously think the New Eden SP mentality is poison in an FPS environment that can't even build a stable foundation.
I for one wouldn't care in the slightest if someone could respec at will before matches, it would not effect me at all. Now don't take that as me saying we should ever have on demand or even frequent respecs in DUST, but I acknowledge that this is a video game and so long as everyone is on a level playing field, I'm happy.
I fell the same way
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Cody Sietz
Bullet Cluster
Legacy Rising
2236
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Posted - 2014.02.15 17:23:00 -
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I can't support a full respec. I could support a refund of sp for all heavy/scout suits.
But I can't support a full drop suit command refund. Why? Simple, I don't want Logi suits to get their SP back and go full on heavy/commando/scout.
Is it spiteful? Absolutely.
Will we see a full refund of all dropsuit commando skills? Most likely. Heck, dropsuit skills may be refunded as well, and if weapons are changed on the scale that was hinted at, they we may see a refund as well.
"I do agree with you there though. shudders"
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The Robot Devil
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
1637
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Posted - 2014.02.15 17:39:00 -
[62] - Quote
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:Miokai Zahou wrote:i absolutely do not agree on a full respec for 1.8 but a skill tree REFUND for the drop suit and weapons tree I do agree on, the Drop Suit Upgrade tree is fine. I never got why people use the word respec and SP refund as if they don't mean the same thing; they mean the same thing. A full respec is the same thing as a full SP refund, and a partial respec is the same as a partial refund.
I just don't like the way it sounds.
"CCP gave a full respecialization!"
CCP gave a full SP refund?"
Respecialization just doesn't do it for me because to me CCP doesn't specialization anything, we do. It is just bs semantics.
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Alternate Insano
SUICIDE SPITE SQUAD
65
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Posted - 2014.02.15 17:45:00 -
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Dear CCP,
DC Universe Online makes a lot of money charging players for respecs.
You need a lot of money.
DUST Players want respecs.
Hello? |
Awry Barux
New Eden Blades Of The Azure
Zero-Day
608
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Posted - 2014.02.15 17:55:00 -
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Alternate Insano wrote:Dear CCP,
DC Universe Online makes a lot of money charging players for respecs.
You need a lot of money.
DUST Players want respecs.
Hello?
Shut your face, this one needs to be free. It's not "I got bored of my role", it's "the suit I picked for my role is now no longer suited for said role". |
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI
9238
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Posted - 2014.02.16 17:37:00 -
[65] - Quote
Awry Barux wrote:Alternate Insano wrote:Dear CCP,
DC Universe Online makes a lot of money charging players for respecs.
You need a lot of money.
DUST Players want respecs.
Hello? Shut your face, this one needs to be free. It's not "I got bored of my role", it's "the suit I picked for my role is now no longer suited for said role".
When ever I hear "shut your face", I imagine this.
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Awry Barux
New Eden Blades Of The Azure
Zero-Day
683
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Posted - 2014.02.16 18:35:00 -
[66] - Quote
Bumpity bump bump, all other respec threads pointless, just add your support to this one. |
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI
9254
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Posted - 2014.02.16 23:43:00 -
[67] - Quote
Hoping for a reply from CCP about it.
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NEO Arbiter
Red Hand Syndicate
22
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Posted - 2014.02.16 23:53:00 -
[68] - Quote
Infantry deserves a respec cuz I want it and I am the center of the world. Any questions?
Tears4Life
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VLIGHT5
The Judas Coalition
289
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Posted - 2014.02.16 23:54:00 -
[69] - Quote
If not a full respec, we should at least get a respec for dropsuit command and dropsuit upgrades. |
Stiddlefaxq
Vherokior Combat Logistics
Minmatar Republic
2
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Posted - 2014.02.17 00:06:00 -
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Dropsuit respec is a must. I know I personally am 100% done playing this game if it doesn't happen. My preferred play style and suit have been made useless by all the stuff they have been adding since 1.3.
So what if I picked Min logi as my scout suit? Their fault for making scout suits so ****** at the start of PC. Now with autoaim and scanners, the only thing useful about the suit is the hack bonus. The large hitbox and high profile make the suit into total garbage now for speed fits (What was originally its best use). And now with the removal of hack bonus, the suit is completely outclassed by the other logis, never mind the scouts.
Personally, Id like a full respec, but I don't think we will get one. CCP has shown time and time again that they cant get the balance equation right. Why do I have so many points in AR when the AR gets outclassed by the combat rifle at all ranges(good call on the CR fitting costs btw, totally legit)? Why do people have to keep their points in Swarm Launchers when they are complete jokes? |
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Fire of Prometheus
Alpha Response Command
3654
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Posted - 2014.02.17 00:10:00 -
[71] - Quote
I hate to say it but....my amarr commando isn't exactly the suit I want.
I need a Caldari commando to operate the way I naturally do.
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Sports Dude
275
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Posted - 2014.02.17 00:24:00 -
[72] - Quote
I am really hoping for one, if its not full infantry(dropsuit, upgrades and weaponry) ill just go play something else no biggy :P |
Soldiersaint
BATTLE SURVEY GROUP
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
724
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Posted - 2014.02.17 00:28:00 -
[73] - Quote
nothing will ever be set in stone. they will always nerf and buff stuff because people don't know when to stop complaining and just play the game. |
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI
9260
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Posted - 2014.02.17 00:33:00 -
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Soldiersaint wrote:nothing will ever be set in stone. they will always nerf and buff stuff because people don't know when to stop complaining and just play the game.
I'm not asking for a respec because things are being nerfed and buffed. I'm asking for a respec because things are being changed completely for many suits.
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The Robot Devil
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
1639
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Posted - 2014.02.17 01:49:00 -
[75] - Quote
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:Soldiersaint wrote:nothing will ever be set in stone. they will always nerf and buff stuff because people don't know when to stop complaining and just play the game. I'm not asking for a respec because things are being nerfed and buffed. I'm asking for a respec because things are being changed completely for many suits.
This is the only real answer.
We were forced to choose from a lackluster line up and now the suits and their role is drastically changing. I don't agree with refunds but I do think if the suits are changed like we are thinking they are then SP needs to be refunded.
"You people voted for Hubert Humphrey, and you killed Jesus."
Raoul Duke
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Obodiah Garro
Tech Guard
RISE of LEGION
648
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Posted - 2014.02.17 01:56:00 -
[76] - Quote
Signed.
The logic CCP uses for their persistant skill point system has been well shot to death by this point. Our choices dont mean anything when CCP invalidates them.
I go further and call for a full respec, then ill see after the dust settles just how bad the damage is and make SP choices from that point. |
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI
9279
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Posted - 2014.02.17 09:00:00 -
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Obodiah Garro wrote:Signed.
The logic CCP uses for their persistant skill point system has been well shot to death by this point. Our choices dont mean anything when CCP invalidates them.
I go further and call for a full respec, then ill see after the dust settles just how bad the damage is and make SP choices from that point.
Vehicles just had a respec in 1.7, and nothing as of now suggests they're receiving any big changes, so I don't think a full respec is necessary, but I don't think i would hurt either I guess.
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Bojo The Mighty
L.O.T.I.S.
D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
3179
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Posted - 2014.02.17 09:22:00 -
[78] - Quote
Of course suit command and upgrades deserve a respect however I think weaponry should be left alone,
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI
9281
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Posted - 2014.02.17 09:26:00 -
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Bojo The Mighty wrote:Of course suit command and upgrades deserve a respect however I think weaponry should be left alone,
Suit choice often goes hand in hand with weapon choice. A former HMG sentinel who chooses to skill into a scout will have no use for the HMG skills.
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Lynn Beck
Granite Mercenary Division
Top Men.
762
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Posted - 2014.02.17 10:16:00 -
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At the VERY least, heavy/scout trees are guaranteed.
A logi refund is guaranteed,because they've tied each logi to 1 equipment: i know people in my corp who run gallogi with reptool because they 'want to save the human life', and I see people(myself included) running Minlogi+uplink.
Amarr logis are seen(?) with remotes and a swarm launcher.
That leaves Assaults. Are we going to SERIOUSLY refund EVERY tree EXCEPT assaults?
Say i currently use Min scout. I use this scout to run Uplinks and i utilize 1 dampener and a Range Amp, or 1 kincat and 1 damp.
That fitting is completely made irrevelant by the gallente scout- built in range amp. Built in Cx dampener. 4 low slots that make THAT suit much much much more suited to running an uplink knifer because of its' built in rep, 4 low slots allowing for 1 pg upgrade to use proto uplinks, along with its' flexible nature.
Say now, that i currently run Amarr Sentinel. I hve Armor upgrades up to 5, along with plated and reppers.
But i want to be an AV specialist, who uses the IAFG, along with a energizer, 2 damage mods, and an extender. Now i have 3-4 million SP to 'respecialize' into.
Say i'm a current commando, who utilises the Swarm+ Cr combo already, but come 1.8, i don't want to run my Amarr commando because the Min commando has bonuses to these weapons. Now i've abandoned my Scr operation, my Laser rifle proficiency, my plasma cannon proficiency, and my shotgun operation, all for this 1 suit.
Under 28db
'That's about as scary as Deviljho riding a Jhen Mohran.'
Said 1.8 Assault to the Commando.
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI
9316
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Posted - 2014.02.17 16:43:00 -
[81] - Quote
Do it!
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Soldiersaint
BATTLE SURVEY GROUP
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
725
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Posted - 2014.02.18 01:17:00 -
[82] - Quote
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:Soldiersaint wrote:nothing will ever be set in stone. they will always nerf and buff stuff because people don't know when to stop complaining and just play the game. I'm not asking for a respec because things are being nerfed and buffed. I'm asking for a respec because things are being changed completely for many suits.
Yes and you have my full support make no mistake about it. remember this though no matter what we skill into crybabies will always cry and everything we use will always get buffed and nerfed non stop. again you have my full support sir! |
Soldiersaint
BATTLE SURVEY GROUP
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
726
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Posted - 2014.02.18 01:30:00 -
[83] - Quote
Man I hope to God that they give us all a full respec for vehicles suits weapons etc, Respecs and fun for everyone! |
Baal Omniscient
L.O.T.I.S.
D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
1103
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Posted - 2014.02.21 21:35:00 -
[84] - Quote
oops.... wrong thread...
MAG ~ Raven
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Vordred Knight
Endless Hatred
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
2
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Posted - 2014.02.21 22:26:00 -
[85] - Quote
for all those saying that they will leave if there is no respec not to be greedy but uhm can i has ur isk?
ashes to ashes dust to dust we are nothing but dust and to dust you shall return - Father Alexander Anderson
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noobsniper the 2nd
POISION ROSES
Galactic Skyfleet Empire
171
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Posted - 2014.02.21 23:00:00 -
[86] - Quote
Fully support the respec signed make it happen ccp
just call me scumbag noob
MAG vet raven ftw
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Necandi Brasil
DUST BRASIL S.A
747
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Posted - 2014.02.22 01:39:00 -
[87] - Quote
CCP ! DO IT!
Buying all BALAC's SOONGäó (P2P Market PLEASE CCP)
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echo47
Minmatar Republic
193
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Posted - 2014.02.22 02:07:00 -
[88] - Quote
No respec
I would rather look bad and win, than look good and lose.
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Darken-Soul
BIG BAD W0LVES
1010
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Posted - 2014.02.22 02:14:00 -
[89] - Quote
Vordred Knight wrote:for all those saying that they will leave if there is no respec not to be greedy but uhm can i has ur isk?
yes, but you must make a 10mil deposit right now.
Who wants some?
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Vordred Knight
Endless Hatred
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
2
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Posted - 2014.02.22 03:02:00 -
[90] - Quote
Darken-Soul wrote:Vordred Knight wrote:for all those saying that they will leave if there is no respec not to be greedy but uhm can i has ur isk? yes, but you must make a 10mil deposit right now.
Nope
ashes to ashes dust to dust we are nothing but dust and to dust you shall return - Father Alexander Anderson
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LuckyLuke Wargan
HavoK Core
RISE of LEGION
308
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Posted - 2014.02.22 03:19:00 -
[91] - Quote
71 likes to original post in a week and this still being a hot topic says it all... I would add that the ability to purchase or obtain respecs on a regular basis is needed, have friends who dropped the game because they were tired of grinding to try anything in Dust, like it or not it is an issue.
"Cry HavoK!, and let slip the dogs of war!"
-Medical/Intel Logibro and Swarm Commando-
I feed on tanker tears...
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Zaaeed Massani
Zincress
9
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Posted - 2014.02.22 03:54:00 -
[92] - Quote
inb4lockandlinktothisthread |
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI
9516
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Posted - 2014.02.22 18:43:00 -
[93] - Quote
Zaaeed Massani wrote:inb4lockandlinkto thisthread
Check the date on my thread. It was made quite a while before the spam. I didn't bump it since CCP made their own thread, but it was around when the others were being locked; if its going to be locked, I'm sure it would have happened already.
Gû¦Gû+Supreme emperor god-kingpÇÉKAGEH¦PSHIpÇæ// Lord of threads // Forum alt Gû¦Gû+
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DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
11347
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Posted - 2014.02.22 18:45:00 -
[94] - Quote
I can't respec in real life, and DUST 514 is real life.
No respecs ever or EVE will implode upon itself.
/thread.
Videos / Fiction
Closed Beta Vet; Incubus Pilot
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Zeylon Rho
Subdreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
3496
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Posted - 2014.02.22 18:58:00 -
[95] - Quote
I kinda wish/hope they were working in slot adjustments for medium suits into 1.8. Because the suits should be balanced across the board like they are in the heavy/light class, and putting off adjust the medium-frame slots just makes one more thing that will either be unbalanced... or cause for buyer's remorse if they change it later.
Dren and Templar equipment stats, wrong since release.
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Chunky Munkey
Amarr Templars
Amarr Empire
3175
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Posted - 2014.02.22 20:43:00 -
[96] - Quote
4 reasons a 1.8 respec is needed:
Because I said so.
Under the circumstances, I think it's a good idea.
Minmatar logi.
Pretty please CCP.
No.
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