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Maciej Szambelan
Made in Poland... E-R-A
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Posted - 2014.02.14 03:20:00 -
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Remove AA. It's ridiculous. CR, RR and SCR with AA are way OP! |
killertojo42
Sardaukar Merc Guild
9
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Posted - 2014.02.14 03:36:00 -
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Ayures II wrote:The console kids will never stop whining and crying if their aimbot is taken away. :/
I should buy one of those hardware KBM emulators and just melt faces... I'm quoting this just to say **** you and second i'm a console user that went into the options and removed my aim assist and it let me get a lot more accurate And CCP remove AA, i find insulting that you think i might need an aim bot to shoot By the way hi knight, nice to see a fellow alliance member on the forums
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VALCORE72
NECROM0NGERS The CORVOS
59
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Posted - 2014.02.14 06:57:00 -
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Knight Solitaire wrote:Just the weekly AA post, asking for it to be removed so that CCP does not forget. I guarantee RRs, and SCRs wont be as effective as they are in CQC if AA were to be removed. At least reduce its effectivness, my Scout cant take it anymore. I pop out of cover for half a second and I'm already taking damage.
dude **** off about aa . its not bad 'its been toned down alrdy . christ you ppl are like super cockroaches that wont die to decon |
Galvan Nized
Deep Space Republic
656
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Posted - 2014.02.14 07:07:00 -
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I wouldn't mind AA if it was on all the weapons, it makes no sense why we have put rifles on such a pedestal over the other weapons.
Just turn it on for everything, always seemed counter intuitive to put AA on full auto weapons. I mean put a lot of fire down range so it's hard to completely miss, why do they need sticky reticule and homing bullets?
Why do we think snipers, forges, PlCs, shotguns, etc would be too powerful with AA? |
Knight Solitaire
Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic
168
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Posted - 2014.02.14 16:51:00 -
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VALCORE72 wrote:Knight Solitaire wrote:Just the weekly AA post, asking for it to be removed so that CCP does not forget. I guarantee RRs, and SCRs wont be as effective as they are in CQC if AA were to be removed. At least reduce its effectivness, my Scout cant take it anymore. I pop out of cover for half a second and I'm already taking damage. dude **** off about aa . its not bad 'its been toned down alrdy . christ you ppl are like super cockroaches that wont die to decon
Ooooooh!
Sounds like someone uses AA.
Corp: Fatal Absolution
Alliance: General Tso's Alliance
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Buster Friently
Rosen Association
1788
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Posted - 2014.02.14 17:12:00 -
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Fizzer94 wrote:Ayures II wrote:Joel II X wrote:Sure.
Let's remove KB/M as well because then DS3 users will not stand a chance. Use inferior equipment, get inferior results. You don't see people on flight sim forums complaining that joystick users have an unfair advantage and keyboard users need to automatically lock on to enemy planes... Ok. I checked to make sure nobody has stated the obvious already. Flight Sims aren't competitive... AA still needs to be removed/toned down.
FS isn't competitive? lol.
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SILENTSAM 69
SONS of LEGION RISE of LEGION
646
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Posted - 2014.02.14 17:47:00 -
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Aim assist is a good thing. It helps level the playing field. It helped a lot of weaker players, and the main people complaining are the people who normally protostomp.
So no, I hope they never remove it. It did great things for the game.
Also, it provides very little assist compared to most FPS games aim assist. Once it was introduced players started pretending it was why they died. If you get shot, its your fault., not aim assists.
Get good. |
Knight Solitaire
Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic
169
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Posted - 2014.02.14 17:52:00 -
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SILENTSAM 69 wrote:Aim assist is a good thing. It helps level the playing field. It helped a lot of weaker players, and the main people complaining are the people who normally protostomp.
So no, I hope they never remove it. It did great things for the game.
Also, it provides very little assist compared to most FPS games aim assist. Once it was introduced players started pretending it was why they died. If you get shot, its your fault., not aim assists.
Get good.
Nope, Aim Assist has ruined any chance for new players to get into the game.
Its one of the reasons why Proto / HP is a deciding factor in matches or 1v1s, if you've got a Skilled MLT Player, and an average Proto player, and they both go at it with AA on, the Proto Player will win almost everytime. But, if they went at it without Aim Assist, the skilled player would be winning more often.
AA has ruined the TTK of this game, it has ruined the competitivness in this game, and it has ruined any sense of achievement.
Stop defending your crutch.
Corp: Fatal Absolution
Alliance: General Tso's Alliance
Aim Assist = Persuers
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Buster Friently
Rosen Association
1788
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Posted - 2014.02.14 17:52:00 -
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SILENTSAM 69 wrote:Aim assist is a good thing. It helps level the playing field. It helped a lot of weaker players, and the main people complaining are the people who normally protostomp.
So no, I hope they never remove it. It did great things for the game.
Also, it provides very little assist compared to most FPS games aim assist. Once it was introduced players started pretending it was why they died. If you get shot, its your fault., not aim assists.
Get good.
Which great things? The lack of additional playerbase, or the ridiculously short TTKs? Or maybe you mean the complete negation of the utility of non-hitscan weapons?
I'm sure those are all great things from you perspective, but not from mine.
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SILENTSAM 69
SONS of LEGION RISE of LEGION
646
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Posted - 2014.02.14 18:11:00 -
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Do you guys remember the game before aim assist? Protostomping was even harder. I mainly only see the protostompers whining about their KDR and that new players are suddenly amazing because of aim assist.
Most high skill players say they turn it off because it pulls your aim where you don't want it, and often goes for body shots instead of head shots. |
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killertojo42
Sardaukar Merc Guild
12
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Posted - 2014.02.15 06:58:00 -
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SILENTSAM 69 wrote:Do you guys remember the game before aim assist? Protostomping was even harder. I mainly only see the protostompers whining about their KDR and that new players are suddenly amazing because of aim assist.
Most high skill players say they turn it off because it pulls your aim where you don't want it, and often goes for body shots instead of head shots. That last part is very true and if anyone has been unfortunate to play any of the ladt three CODs you'd how aim assist screws everyone, every game sshould allow aim assist to be shut off
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Awry Barux
New Eden Blades Of The Azure Zero-Day
579
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Posted - 2014.02.15 07:27:00 -
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Knight Solitaire wrote:SILENTSAM 69 wrote:Aim assist is a good thing. It helps level the playing field. It helped a lot of weaker players, and the main people complaining are the people who normally protostomp.
So no, I hope they never remove it. It did great things for the game.
Also, it provides very little assist compared to most FPS games aim assist. Once it was introduced players started pretending it was why they died. If you get shot, its your fault., not aim assists.
Get good. Nope, Aim Assist has ruined any chance for new players to get into the game. Its one of the reasons why Proto / HP is a deciding factor in matches or 1v1s, if you've got a Skilled MLT Player, and an average Proto player, and they both go at it with AA on, the Proto Player will win almost everytime. But, if they went at it without Aim Assist, the skilled player would be winning more often. AA has ruined the TTK of this game, it has ruined the competitivness in this game, and it has ruined any sense of achievement. Stop defending your crutch.
This is simply not factual. Just a few minutes ago, wearing my Dren scout BPO and using a combat rifle, I came face to face with a proto Cal Assault. We started shooting at the same time, he sprayed at me and only got one bullet into my armor before I melted him. I've had similar situations all evening and won more than half of them. Learn to strafe. I'm having no issue killing heavily tanked players in a STD scout suit. Some crush me, because they can aim. Many do not, because they can't. Your problem is in between the couch and the TV. |
KalOfTheRathi
Nec Tributis
965
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Posted - 2014.02.15 11:26:00 -
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Knight Solitaire wrote:Just the weekly AA post, asking for it to be removed so that CCP does not forget. Just my, ain't gonna happen reply.
F2P, Free 2 Play, Free To Play, Free to download. Now spend cash, get AURUM and shoot red berries in the face. Buy them guns, buy them suits, need less skills, AURUM its your way forward.
AA is essential to that mindset. That or a balanced game so ... AA it is.
You can keep asking but it is never going to happen.
And so it goes.
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Aeon Amadi
Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance
4908
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Posted - 2014.02.15 11:49:00 -
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I'll just leave this here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lT2fuXnmNbQ
Also, let's wait to see what happens with TTK in 1.8 before we start axing critical gameplay features.
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Alldin Kan
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
989
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Posted - 2014.02.15 16:23:00 -
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Knight Solitaire wrote:Just the weekly AA post, asking for it to be removed so that CCP does not forget. I guarantee RRs, and SCRs wont be as effective as they are in CQC if AA were to be removed. At least reduce its effectivness, my Scout cant take it anymore. I pop out of cover for half a second and I'm already taking damage. The problem with AA is how it makes your gun to track targets as if it had a hint of Aimbot, removing that for ADS and reduce effectiveness on hipfire should be a proper fix.
Uprising 1.7 - TANKDOMINATION!!1!!1!
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VALCORE72
NECROM0NGERS The CORVOS
60
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Posted - 2014.02.15 16:27:00 -
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Knight Solitaire wrote:VALCORE72 wrote:Knight Solitaire wrote:Just the weekly AA post, asking for it to be removed so that CCP does not forget. I guarantee RRs, and SCRs wont be as effective as they are in CQC if AA were to be removed. At least reduce its effectivness, my Scout cant take it anymore. I pop out of cover for half a second and I'm already taking damage. dude **** off about aa . its not bad 'its been toned down alrdy . christ you ppl are like super cockroaches that wont die to decon Ooooooh! Sounds like someone uses AA.
fine take off aa . but take away speed tanking suits as well and yes ive always have had aa on . it was very op few months ago .its now in a good place |
Knight Solitaire
Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic
178
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Posted - 2014.02.15 17:07:00 -
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VALCORE72 wrote:Knight Solitaire wrote:VALCORE72 wrote:Knight Solitaire wrote:Just the weekly AA post, asking for it to be removed so that CCP does not forget. I guarantee RRs, and SCRs wont be as effective as they are in CQC if AA were to be removed. At least reduce its effectivness, my Scout cant take it anymore. I pop out of cover for half a second and I'm already taking damage. dude **** off about aa . its not bad 'its been toned down alrdy . christ you ppl are like super cockroaches that wont die to decon Ooooooh! Sounds like someone uses AA. fine take off aa . but take away speed tanking suits as well and yes ive always have had aa on . it was very op few months ago .its now in a good place
You have a problem hitting speed tanked suits with AA off?
Lol.
Corp: Fatal Absolution
Alliance: General Tso's Alliance
Aim Assist = Persuers
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Knight Solitaire
Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic
178
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Posted - 2014.02.15 17:09:00 -
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Alldin Kan wrote:Knight Solitaire wrote:Just the weekly AA post, asking for it to be removed so that CCP does not forget. I guarantee RRs, and SCRs wont be as effective as they are in CQC if AA were to be removed. At least reduce its effectivness, my Scout cant take it anymore. I pop out of cover for half a second and I'm already taking damage. The problem with AA is how it makes your gun to track targets as if it had a hint of Aimbot, removing that for ADS and reduce effectiveness on hipfire should be a proper fix.
I'd either like to see it removed completely for hipfire, or simply turn it into an 'Aim Friction' what we have now is BS, I remember having it on, aiming at a Scout, and when the Scout jumped the sight lifted with him despite the fact I didn't move the Right stick at all.
Corp: Fatal Absolution
Alliance: General Tso's Alliance
Aim Assist = Persuers
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Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p
TRA1LBLAZERS
605
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Posted - 2014.02.15 17:11:00 -
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aim friction=good auto tracking=bad
by introducing aim friction, it just makes aiming smoother by using auto tracking, you just take all skill out of aiming, and it messes with the TTK of all weapons
Kills- Archduke Ferdinand
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X7 lion
Swamp Tempo Canis Eliminatus Operatives
119
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Posted - 2014.02.15 18:49:00 -
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why not just make controllers redundant oh wait, mouse and keybord :D if every one used it then people could shut the furk up
I am death incarnate, you will not see me or hear me.
You shall only feel the strike of my blade.
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Knight Solitaire
Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic
178
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Posted - 2014.02.15 19:14:00 -
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X7 lion wrote:why not just make controllers redundant oh wait, mouse and keybord :D if every one used it then people could shut the furk up
Are you saying that Aim Assist balances out the two? Well, if you are, it doesn't. KB/M is a joke right now, I gave up using the KB/M a few weeks ago and started using a DS3 (Yes, a DS3 without Aim Assist activated is still better than the current KB/M)
AA just adds salt to the wounds.
Corp: Fatal Absolution
Alliance: General Tso's Alliance
Aim Assist = Persuers
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X7 lion
Swamp Tempo Canis Eliminatus Operatives
120
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Posted - 2014.02.15 19:36:00 -
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Knight Solitaire wrote:X7 lion wrote:why not just make controllers redundant oh wait, mouse and keybord :D if every one used it then people could shut the furk up Are you saying that Aim Assist balances out the two? Well, if you are, it doesn't. KB/M is a joke right now, I gave up using the KB/M a few weeks ago and started using a DS3 (Yes, a DS3 without Aim Assist activated is still better than the current KB/M) AA just adds salt to the wounds. im not saying that at all, im saying kb/m is better then the controller and has no aa, so if every one used it then no one would complain about aa and id get to kill people who dont know how to aim with a mouse :D
I am death incarnate, you will not see me or hear me.
You shall only feel the strike of my blade.
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Kiiran-B
The Rainbow Effect Negative-Feedback
188
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Posted - 2014.02.16 00:10:00 -
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Knight Solitaire wrote:Just the weekly AA post, asking for it to be removed so that CCP does not forget. I guarantee RRs, and SCRs wont be as effective as they are in CQC if AA were to be removed. At least reduce its effectivness, my Scout cant take it anymore. I pop out of cover for half a second and I'm already taking damage.
If the community had shut up about KB/M being OP and CCP had just left DS3 and KB/M input as it was in chromosome I seriously don't think we would even be having this conversation.
Chromosome had its fair share of bugs, but it's ADS/hip fire aiming was fine the way it was. I think the majority of the community felt that way. |
Derrith Erador
General Tso's Alliance
1022
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Posted - 2014.02.16 00:54:00 -
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aim assist is for wimps.
beatin' slaves and whippin' knaves All in a days work for an Amarrican!
Now a level 1 forum warrior.
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Aeon Amadi
Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance
4917
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Posted - 2014.02.16 02:20:00 -
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Kiiran-B wrote:Knight Solitaire wrote:Just the weekly AA post, asking for it to be removed so that CCP does not forget. I guarantee RRs, and SCRs wont be as effective as they are in CQC if AA were to be removed. At least reduce its effectivness, my Scout cant take it anymore. I pop out of cover for half a second and I'm already taking damage. If the community had shut up about KB/M being OP and CCP had just left DS3 and KB/M input as it was in chromosome I seriously don't think we would even be having this conversation. Chromosome had its fair share of bugs, but it's ADS/hip fire aiming was fine the way it was. I think the majority of the community felt that way.
Than you're really out of touch with the community
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Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p
TRA1LBLAZERS
622
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Posted - 2014.02.16 02:24:00 -
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Awry Barux wrote:Knight Solitaire wrote:SILENTSAM 69 wrote:Aim assist is a good thing. It helps level the playing field. It helped a lot of weaker players, and the main people complaining are the people who normally protostomp.
So no, I hope they never remove it. It did great things for the game.
Also, it provides very little assist compared to most FPS games aim assist. Once it was introduced players started pretending it was why they died. If you get shot, its your fault., not aim assists.
Get good. Nope, Aim Assist has ruined any chance for new players to get into the game. Its one of the reasons why Proto / HP is a deciding factor in matches or 1v1s, if you've got a Skilled MLT Player, and an average Proto player, and they both go at it with AA on, the Proto Player will win almost everytime. But, if they went at it without Aim Assist, the skilled player would be winning more often. AA has ruined the TTK of this game, it has ruined the competitivness in this game, and it has ruined any sense of achievement. Stop defending your crutch. This is simply not factual. Just a few minutes ago, wearing my Dren scout BPO and using a combat rifle, I came face to face with a proto Cal Assault. We started shooting at the same time, he sprayed at me and only got one bullet into my armor before I melted him. I've had similar situations all evening and won more than half of them. Learn to strafe. I'm having no issues killing heavily tanked players in a STD scout suit. Some crush me, because they can aim. Many do not, because they can't. Your problem is in between the couch and the TV.
You were using aim assist on the second strongest weapon in the game and hit every bullet. As a speed tanker, strafing is not possible unless you are going up against someone missing both thumbs. The only way to speed tank now is the random sprint and jump over head method, which still work semi well
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Awry Barux
New Eden Blades Of The Azure Zero-Day
650
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Posted - 2014.02.16 03:25:00 -
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Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote:Awry Barux wrote:Knight Solitaire wrote:SILENTSAM 69 wrote:Aim assist is a good thing. It helps level the playing field. It helped a lot of weaker players, and the main people complaining are the people who normally protostomp.
So no, I hope they never remove it. It did great things for the game.
Also, it provides very little assist compared to most FPS games aim assist. Once it was introduced players started pretending it was why they died. If you get shot, its your fault., not aim assists.
Get good. Nope, Aim Assist has ruined any chance for new players to get into the game. Its one of the reasons why Proto / HP is a deciding factor in matches or 1v1s, if you've got a Skilled MLT Player, and an average Proto player, and they both go at it with AA on, the Proto Player will win almost everytime. But, if they went at it without Aim Assist, the skilled player would be winning more often. AA has ruined the TTK of this game, it has ruined the competitivness in this game, and it has ruined any sense of achievement. Stop defending your crutch. This is simply not factual. Just a few minutes ago, wearing my Dren scout BPO and using a combat rifle, I came face to face with a proto Cal Assault. We started shooting at the same time, he sprayed at me and only got one bullet into my armor before I melted him. I've had similar situations all evening and won more than half of them. Learn to strafe. I'm having no issues killing heavily tanked players in a STD scout suit. Some crush me, because they can aim. Many do not, because they can't. Your problem is in between the couch and the TV. You were using aim assist on the second strongest weapon in the game and hit every bullet. As a speed tanker, strafing is not possible unless you are going up against someone missing both thumbs. The only way to speed tank now is the random sprint and jump over head method, which still work semi well
Okay, but why didn't my opponent wreck me with his uber AA? I was using the second most powerful gun in the game, but my TTK against him was still more than triple his against me. AA is powerful, yes, but it hasn't destroyed the game like so many of you seem to think. You talk about speed tanking like sprinting/strafing quickly is supposed to make your opponent completely unable to hit you... to me, the advantage of speed is the freedom to choose when and where to initiate the fight- speed tanking to me means getting the drop on my opponent by appearing in places they do not expect, allowing me to get shots off before they realize what's happening. |
Kiiran-B
The Rainbow Effect Negative-Feedback
188
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Posted - 2014.02.16 03:31:00 -
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Aeon Amadi wrote:Kiiran-B wrote:Knight Solitaire wrote:Just the weekly AA post, asking for it to be removed so that CCP does not forget. I guarantee RRs, and SCRs wont be as effective as they are in CQC if AA were to be removed. At least reduce its effectivness, my Scout cant take it anymore. I pop out of cover for half a second and I'm already taking damage. If the community had shut up about KB/M being OP and CCP had just left DS3 and KB/M input as it was in chromosome I seriously don't think we would even be having this conversation. Chromosome had its fair share of bugs, but it's ADS/hip fire aiming was fine the way it was. I think the majority of the community felt that way. Than you're really out of touch with the community
How so? I never said chrome aiming was perfect, I said it was fine.
I've spoken to many hardcore KB/M users who agree that the input was better in chromosome and that it's really bad in uprising. (Y'know because the old KB/M users are changing to DS3 with aim assist, because it's so terrible?). I also know from personal experience and from the testament of others that from the last day of chromosome to the end of the first week of uprising that aiming became less enjoyable.
Now I know that this isn't the case for everyone and I wouldn't make them go back if I had the choice, that's why It would be PERFECT for CCP to allow a choice for players to use DS3 and KB/M input from chromosome or uprising.
But I'll admit that I'm no expert. So I'm not sure if they could do that. Maybe someone can shed some light. |
Aeon Amadi
Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance
4919
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Posted - 2014.02.16 04:44:00 -
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Kiiran-B wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:Kiiran-B wrote:Knight Solitaire wrote:Just the weekly AA post, asking for it to be removed so that CCP does not forget. I guarantee RRs, and SCRs wont be as effective as they are in CQC if AA were to be removed. At least reduce its effectivness, my Scout cant take it anymore. I pop out of cover for half a second and I'm already taking damage. If the community had shut up about KB/M being OP and CCP had just left DS3 and KB/M input as it was in chromosome I seriously don't think we would even be having this conversation. Chromosome had its fair share of bugs, but it's ADS/hip fire aiming was fine the way it was. I think the majority of the community felt that way. Than you're really out of touch with the community How so? I never said chrome aiming was perfect, I said it was fine. I've spoken to many hardcore KB/M users who agree that the input was better in chromosome and that it's really bad in uprising. (Y'know because the old KB/M users are changing to DS3 with aim assist, because it's so terrible?). I also know from personal experience and from the testament of others that from the last day of chromosome to the end of the first week of uprising that aiming became less enjoyable. Now I know that this isn't the case for everyone and I wouldn't make them go back if I had the choice, that's why It would be PERFECT for CCP to allow a choice for players to use DS3 and KB/M input from chromosome or uprising. But I'll admit that I'm no expert. So I'm not sure if they could do that. Maybe someone can shed some light.
Yeah, sure, I'll buy it - what with aim assist not being implemented until 1.4 (September-ish). KB/M does suck (I have friends that have stopped playing because of it) but we're focusing on aim assist here. The aiming back then was slippery, jerky and just terrible. There were a few FPS veterans who could aim worth a damn (I had an 8 KDR back then) that would absolutely decimate and in all honesty aim assist leveled the playing field. It didn't randomly stop FPS veterans from kicking ass.
What it -DID- do was give incentive to actually use weapons that required aiming as opposed to Mass Drivers, Flaylock Pistols and Contact Grenades - all of which were ridiculously powerful up until Uprising 1.3. It's sad that the Flaylock had to get such a heavy handed treatment but let's be real, the game certainly is a hell of a lot better without everyone spamming explosive weaponry because they can't aim and having it be incredibly effective because, wouldn't you know it, the other person had to aim in order to kill you. This isn't even touching the factor of explosives causing your aim to jerk.
Another factor back in the days before aim assist was the fact that strafe-games were insane. Sure, everyone wants the game to be a high HP track shooter but there's a significant difference between a high HP track shooter and being nigh invulnerable when strafing because the player couldn't twitch-shoot in small increments. Yes, a lot of that has to do with skill but it's more of a mechanical barrier than a gameplay feature.
Say what you want about Aim Assist but it's not like the option isn't available to you, just the same as it's available to everyone else that plays. Is it too powerful? Not any more or less than other games, imo.
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Bethhy
Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance
1215
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Posted - 2014.02.16 04:48:00 -
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remove magnetism... It's the aim assist no one wants... |
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