Shanghai is a city, not a reason.
This thread should solicit some good posting [sarcasm].

This is a Topic to discuss and address the REAL Number 1 glaring issue with Dust514; CCP Shanghai.

(And, No, I'm not a racist - so you can abandon whatever lame Hit|er/Holocaust argument you're already concocting in your little Junior Varsity brain. I'm a farmer. Plants that do not produce are removed and processed into mulch to feed the future productive crop.)

What do you see as the problem with CCP Shanghai?
If it is a lack if production, how do you see this related to the location?
Speed of production likely has multiple influences.
Recent change in direction of design as well as directorship would effect the output levels.

It's cheaper to get them to do it. Probably why dust is free.

*I invented sarcasm.

It's like having a franchise of Sales Offices. When margins are narrowed, the least effective or even defective branches are eliminated and their workload outsourced to a more productive facility.
They (CCP) have expressed a communication breakdown in the past and even address it (via context clues) in any job listing I've run across.
The change in management has been long enough for the effects to be seen already, if the new EP was worth his weight in salt. But what have we seen? That glorious AV balance pass? Event rewards delayed by nearly a month? It may seem petty, but it's very indicative of what is ahead.

Maybe. But what's the profitability of a product that nobody wants or respects?

This is a Topic to discuss and address the REAL Number 1 glaring issue with Dust514; CCP Shanghai.

(And, No, I'm not a racist - so you can abandon whatever lame Hit|er/Holocaust argument you're already concocting in your little Junior Varsity brain. I'm a farmer. Plants that do not produce are removed and processed into mulch to feed the future productive crop.)

I'm not racist but...

I don't know that outsourcing (or changing branches within CCP) would help the situation, or slow things down further.

A little off topic here, but is your corp "Rise of old dudes" a corp for older gamers?

how the **** would you know?

Hey op, how many chinese made devices do you currently own? how many of them perform as poorly as dust? Shanghai is not the issue.

It's cheaper to get them to do it. Probably why dust is free.

Most of my cheap **** which was originally outsourced to China has been re-outsourced to Mexico.
-íOl+¬!

-íMexico! Where we make things French Quality on an Ugandan pay stub.

Most of my cheap **** which was originally outsourced to China has been re-outsourced to Mexico.
-íOl+¬!

de nada

Palabra, guey.

That was the original intent after Chromosome.
I don't allocate enough time to this game to make it worth expanding. It's never been anyone other than me.

OP is an old, likely white, farmer.

I didn't know you could actually smell republican racism until just now.

@Midas, my growing partner is Mexican. Before going into farming, I was a cook for 15 years. Most of 'my people' are Mexican and Guatemalan.
I mention the racist thing because most of the people here are stupid children with no scope of reality and if you don't name a specific person they assume you're disparaging an entire race.

I've given CCP my time and the benefit of doubt for over a year. They've been at it even longer.
It's time to start pointing fingers and assessing blame if they hope to salvage this ship before it sinks. This game is on the verge of being forgotten rubbish if nothing is done.

OP is an old, likely white, farmer.

I didn't know you could actually smell republican racism until just now.

And this is why you're down here in the forums with the rest of us while the REAL EXECUTIVES who know how to run a business are up there. No, being a farmer doesn't qualify you for running a gaming company.

I grow weed, smartass.
How Republican is that?
I hate everyone equally. I don't care who your parents are or where they came from.
You are the kind of stupid that nullifies any decent conversation the adults in the room are trying to carry on.
Just carry Mommy's purse like a good little boy.

Says the guy raging about the Chinese on a gaming forum.

Go on back to the *** meeting and preach it to your brothers, they are probably more willing to listen.

If your point is that CCP Shanghai is apparently a terrible dev studio, I agree. If your poinst is that Shanghai itself is a place that's incapable of producing quality goods or services, well that's just silly.

I'm pretty sure your intention was the former rather than the latter.

I'm raging about their incompetent Chinese office, not the Chinese.
Use of emoticons removed you from any respectable position.

Use of phrases like "Just carry Mommy's purse like a good little boy." has removed you from any respectable position. Healthy debate and conversation isn't possible when you talk down to the people you're arguing with. I'm not just talking about you Ryno, others are guilty and it's sad that people can't offer their arguments to each other on an internet forum without name calling and impudent rage.

It's cheaper to get them to do it. Probably why dust is free.

@Midas, my growing partner is Mexican. Before going into farming, I was a cook for 15 years. Most of 'my people' are Mexican and Guatemalan.
I mention the racist thing because most of the people here are stupid children with no scope of reality and if you don't name a specific person they assume you're disparaging an entire race.

I've given CCP my time and the benefit of doubt for over a year. They've been at it even longer.
It's time to start pointing fingers and assessing blame if they hope to salvage this ship before it sinks. This game is on the verge of being forgotten rubbish if nothing is done.

Hey, whoa whoa, that's OUR word.

Firstly, the fact that you bring up race in the first place started your argument off in the wrong way. I don't believe that you are racist, but it is clear that you are implying that because a product is made in China it deserves less respect. The problem with the logistics of communication in another language across the globe is hardly a situation to criticize. Many companies making much more difficult things manage it just fine. You are a farmer; don't you think that that situation happens every time foreign crops are imported? We have the internet now. If you're going to say something say what you mean and mean what you say.

Also I am from Mexico, and I have been to China, and it would be a lie to say that a great deal of production based industries are not at the same level of technology or organization as those in the US and EU. The factor of course is money and part culture but rest assured that other countries are just as capable at producing capable developers and software producers. As someone said earlier in the thread, Shanghai is a modern, very up-to-date city. It is not a lone run-down "typical Chinese factory" that houses the office used to produce this game.

Ok, so of course it is being produced the way it is to conserve money, but that is not the reason that the game has its issues. I personally believe that most of the issues rise from CCPs inexperience with new game development as a whole, from the level of finance and marketing to lower-level management and bureaucracy. I honestly do not believe that CCP (in all locations) does not have talented/experienced programmers and staff but it is clear by their rollout of this game that they didn't know what they were diving in to. That doesn't mean that this game isn't good or going to be better, but CCP isn't quite Activision. You'll have to give them the benefit of the doubt and just as with EVE they'll figure it out and start delivering some quality stuff.

For anyone who wants to know the word 'guey' is used in the same way as 'dude' or 'mate' or 'bro'. It is not racist or offensive to Mexicans in any way but you might get strange looks if you use it.

This is a Topic to discuss and address the REAL Number 1 glaring issue with Dust514; CCP Shanghai.

(And, No, I'm not a racist - so you can abandon whatever lame Hit|er/Holocaust argument you're already concocting in your little Junior Varsity brain. I'm a farmer. Plants that do not produce are removed and processed into mulch to feed the future productive crop.)

In defense of CCP Shanghai, CCP Iceland isn't a whole lot better.

Wait, was that really a defense?

This is a Topic to discuss and address the REAL Number 1 glaring issue with Dust514; CCP Shanghai.

(And, No, I'm not a racist - so you can abandon whatever lame Hit|er/Holocaust argument you're already concocting in your little Junior Varsity brain. I'm a farmer. Plants that do not produce are removed and processed into mulch to feed the future productive crop.)

hey guey depends on who you say it to. some people take it to mean your calling them gay.
guey or wey is only used between friends or associates basically someone you know. Guey or wey as a male bull btw.

Oh, don't get me started on this one.

Cheaper in what sense? Cheaper per unit of game functionality produced? Cheaper per subscriber-year? Cheaper per good review?

Or just cheaper per programmer-hour?

Also ese is used a lot.
But que onda guey is used a lot here in Mexico.

Whats real funny is the Cartels call each other guey when arguing over who has the better weapons right before it starts raining lead.

I have a vision in my head that CCP HQ will be the biggest building in Iceland. Consisting of three interconnecting towers, The middle one, the largest, housing EVE and the general management team, flanked by smaller towers which are set back slightly, one for Dust and one for Valkyrie, walkways connecting the three on multiple levels. And a shack out back near the forest for WOD.

...

Its a law requirement in order to sell products in china.

To have a partnership part ownership by a chinese company in china; Shanghai is also home to Eve Serenity.

In my vision the structure at the centre of that EVE-DUST-Valkyrie triangle is an orbital elevator terminating at New Eden station. Hey, we can dream, right?

I understand exactly why the OP worded his post carefully and felt the need to add that disclaimer: it's the shithead quotient on these forums - he knew they would be all over this thread.

I wonder this: if CCP had it all to do over again, would they have gone the Shanghai route? I don't know, tbh, but i do know they'd think damn hard about it.

^ Very true - always thought this had to be a part of the equation. Also note that China recently relaxed their stance on domestic sales of console. CCP may have been one small positive factor influencing that decision.

Its a law requirement in order to sell products in china.

To have a partnership part ownership by a chinese company in china; Shanghai is also home to Eve Serenity.

Its a law requirement in order to sell products in china.

To have a partnership part ownership by a chinese company in china; Shanghai is also home to Eve Serenity.

shhhhhhhhhhhhh nothing good comes after that.