DUST Search - Cease Chinese Production

Rynoceros wrote:

Llast 326 wrote:

Rynoceros wrote:

This is a Topic to discuss and address the REAL Number 1 glaring issue with Dust514; CCP Shanghai.

(And, No, I'm not a racist - so you can abandon whatever lame Hit|er/Holocaust argument you're already concocting in your little Junior Varsity brain. I'm a farmer. Plants that do not produce are removed and processed into mulch to feed the future productive crop.)

What do you see as the problem with CCP Shanghai?
If it is a lack if production, how do you see this related to the location?
Speed of production likely has multiple influences.
Recent change in direction of design as well as directorship would effect the output levels.

It's like having a franchise of Sales Offices. When margins are narrowed, the least effective or even defective branches are eliminated and their workload outsourced to a more productive facility.
They (CCP) have expressed a communication breakdown in the past and even address it (via context clues) in any job listing I've run across.
The change in management has been long enough for the effects to be seen already, if the new EP was worth his weight in salt. But what have we seen? That glorious AV balance pass? Event rewards delayed by nearly a month? It may seem petty, but it's very indicative of what is ahead.

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Rynoceros Rise Of Old Dudes 2426	Posted - 2014.02.13 19:06:00 - [1] - Quote This is a Topic to discuss and address the REAL Number 1 glaring issue with Dust514; CCP Shanghai. (And, No, I'm not a racist - so you can abandon whatever lame Hit\|er/Holocaust argument you're already concocting in your little Junior Varsity brain. I'm a farmer. Plants that do not produce are removed and processed into mulch to feed the future productive crop.) I GÖú Kittens.
Rynoceros Rise Of Old Dudes 2426	Posted - 2014.02.13 19:07:00 - [2] - Quote InB4Lock, outB4Ban I GÖú Kittens.
Ayures II Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 474	Posted - 2014.02.13 19:12:00 - [3] - Quote OP is a farmer, obviously racist (all farmers are).
dent 308 Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 2418	Posted - 2014.02.13 19:12:00 - [4] - Quote Shanghai is a city, not a reason. This thread should solicit some good posting [sarcasm]. Hail Satan
Rynoceros Rise Of Old Dudes 2426	Posted - 2014.02.13 19:16:00 - [5] - Quote dent 308 wrote: Shanghai is a city, not a reason. This thread should solicit some good posting [sarcasm]. It's been a slow week in the trimming room. Actually, CCP Shanghai is not a city. It is an entity. *I invented sarcasm. I GÖú Kittens.
Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 4631	Posted - 2014.02.13 19:17:00 - [6] - Quote It's cheaper to get them to do it. Probably why dust is free.
Llast 326 An Arkhos 1855	Posted - 2014.02.13 19:18:00 - [7] - Quote Rynoceros wrote: This is a Topic to discuss and address the REAL Number 1 glaring issue with Dust514; CCP Shanghai. (And, No, I'm not a racist - so you can abandon whatever lame Hit\|er/Holocaust argument you're already concocting in your little Junior Varsity brain. I'm a farmer. Plants that do not produce are removed and processed into mulch to feed the future productive crop.) What do you see as the problem with CCP Shanghai? If it is a lack if production, how do you see this related to the location? Speed of production likely has multiple influences. Recent change in direction of design as well as directorship would effect the output levels. KRRROOOOOOM
Rynoceros Rise Of Old Dudes 2426	Posted - 2014.02.13 19:27:00 - [8] - Quote Llast 326 wrote: Rynoceros wrote: This is a Topic to discuss and address the REAL Number 1 glaring issue with Dust514; CCP Shanghai. (And, No, I'm not a racist - so you can abandon whatever lame Hit\|er/Holocaust argument you're already concocting in your little Junior Varsity brain. I'm a farmer. Plants that do not produce are removed and processed into mulch to feed the future productive crop.) What do you see as the problem with CCP Shanghai? If it is a lack if production, how do you see this related to the location? Speed of production likely has multiple influences. Recent change in direction of design as well as directorship would effect the output levels. It's like having a franchise of Sales Offices. When margins are narrowed, the least effective or even defective branches are eliminated and their workload outsourced to a more productive facility. They (CCP) have expressed a communication breakdown in the past and even address it (via context clues) in any job listing I've run across. The change in management has been long enough for the effects to be seen already, if the new EP was worth his weight in salt. But what have we seen? That glorious AV balance pass? Event rewards delayed by nearly a month? It may seem petty, but it's very indicative of what is ahead. I GÖú Kittens.
Rynoceros Rise Of Old Dudes 2427	Posted - 2014.02.13 19:30:00 - [9] - Quote Sgt Kirk wrote: It's cheaper to get them to do it. Probably why dust is free. Maybe. But what's the profitability of a product that nobody wants or respects? I GÖú Kittens.
Terminus Dwyryd Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 17	Posted - 2014.02.13 19:38:00 - [10] - Quote Rynoceros wrote: *I invented sarcasm. I know. Pam: "I wonder what my name means in Welsh" Nessa: "Why?"

Llast 326 An Arkhos 1857	Posted - 2014.02.13 19:47:00 - [11] - Quote Rynoceros wrote: Llast 326 wrote: Rynoceros wrote: This is a Topic to discuss and address the REAL Number 1 glaring issue with Dust514; CCP Shanghai. (And, No, I'm not a racist - so you can abandon whatever lame Hit\|er/Holocaust argument you're already concocting in your little Junior Varsity brain. I'm a farmer. Plants that do not produce are removed and processed into mulch to feed the future productive crop.) What do you see as the problem with CCP Shanghai? If it is a lack if production, how do you see this related to the location? Speed of production likely has multiple influences. Recent change in direction of design as well as directorship would effect the output levels. It's like having a franchise of Sales Offices. When margins are narrowed, the least effective or even defective branches are eliminated and their workload outsourced to a more productive facility. They (CCP) have expressed a communication breakdown in the past and even address it (via context clues) in any job listing I've run across. The change in management has been long enough for the effects to be seen already, if the new EP was worth his weight in salt. But what have we seen? That glorious AV balance pass? Event rewards delayed by nearly a month? It may seem petty, but it's very indicative of what is ahead. Communication issues are always something that needs to be addressed, I agree with you on that. Though as far as the new EP proving his value, I want to see what we get here soon. I expect a certain level of delay with that shift though. It's much like when leadership changes in government, rapid change does not really happen and usually the first block of time is spent assessing, readjusting and sometimes repairing the damage done by the previous heads of state. 1.8 is looking to be one large content drop, one I am looking forward to. I know previous actions by CCP in regards to Dust have been less than encouraging, and many of us are frustrated with different aspects of what has past, but for my part I don't really hold the current EP accountable for that, not even really the existing team at Shanghai, simply because I don't know what extent of cluster **** is their responsibility and what was poor decisions of previous people. I don't know that outsourcing (or changing branches within CCP) would help the situation, or slow things down further. The people who have all the information on these things obviously are in a better position to make that assessment than I. The delay on event rewards is annoying me a bit Pretty sure I have a few hundred knife kills racked up for that one, and I can always use free suits KRRROOOOOOM
Duke Noobiam Da Short Buss Driving School 23	Posted - 2014.02.13 19:49:00 - [12] - Quote A little off topic here, but is your corp "Rise of old dudes" a corp for older gamers? When the red river runs, take the dirt road.
Llast 326 An Arkhos 1858	Posted - 2014.02.13 19:58:00 - [13] - Quote Rynoceros wrote: Sgt Kirk wrote: It's cheaper to get them to do it. Probably why dust is free. Maybe. But what's the profitability of a product that nobody wants or respects? McDonalds? KRRROOOOOOM
low genius The Sound Of Freedom Renegade Alliance 1238	Posted - 2014.02.13 20:10:00 - [14] - Quote Rynoceros wrote: This is a Topic to discuss and address the REAL Number 1 glaring issue with Dust514; CCP Shanghai. (And, No, I'm not a racist - so you can abandon whatever lame Hit\|er/Holocaust argument you're already concocting in your little Junior Varsity brain. I'm a farmer. Plants that do not produce are removed and processed into mulch to feed the future productive crop.) how the **** would you know?
knight of 6 SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance 1390	Posted - 2014.02.13 20:14:00 - [15] - Quote Rynoceros wrote: I'm not racist but... shhhhhhhhhhhhh nothing good comes after that. GÇ£The universe is a big place, perhaps the biggest.GÇ¥ ~ Kurt Vonnegut Ko6, scout. CLOSED BETA VET
Rynoceros Rise Of Old Dudes 2428	Posted - 2014.02.13 20:16:00 - [16] - Quote Llast 326 wrote: I don't know that outsourcing (or changing branches within CCP) would help the situation, or slow things down further. There are tons of programmers and coders with a vast wealth of knowledge when using the U3 engine. I assume some are chomping at the bit to get their hands on it and show what it can do. However, I doubt any of them would consider a long-term move to Shanghai a worthwhile exchange, and judging by their hirings in the past it does not attract anyone of note. I GÖú Kittens.
Rynoceros Rise Of Old Dudes 2429	Posted - 2014.02.13 20:20:00 - [17] - Quote Duke Noobiam wrote: A little off topic here, but is your corp "Rise of old dudes" a corp for older gamers? That was the original intent after Chromosome. I don't allocate enough time to this game to make it worth expanding. It's never been anyone other than me. I GÖú Kittens.
Rynoceros Rise Of Old Dudes 2429	Posted - 2014.02.13 20:23:00 - [18] - Quote low genius wrote: Rynoceros wrote: This is a Topic to discuss and address the REAL Number 1 glaring issue with Dust514; CCP Shanghai. (And, No, I'm not a racist - so you can abandon whatever lame Hit\|er/Holocaust argument you're already concocting in your little Junior Varsity brain. I'm a farmer. Plants that do not produce are removed and processed into mulch to feed the future productive crop.) how the ** would you know? How the can you not know? How the have you not noticed the pattern(s)? You've been here long enough. What is the ***** problem then? I GÖú Kittens.
Drud Green Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 220	Posted - 2014.02.13 20:26:00 - [19] - Quote Hey op, how many chinese made devices do you currently own? how many of them perform as poorly as dust? Shanghai is not the issue.
Rynoceros Rise Of Old Dudes 2430	Posted - 2014.02.13 20:29:00 - [20] - Quote Drud Green wrote: Hey op, how many chinese made devices do you currently own? how many of them perform as poorly as dust? Shanghai is not the issue. Most of my cheap **** which was originally outsourced to China has been re-outsourced to Mexico. -íOl+¬! I GÖú Kittens.

AP Grasshopper The Unit 514 170	Posted - 2014.02.13 20:35:00 - [21] - Quote Proof is in the pudding. Wheres the pudding? P.S. Prefer Vanilla
R F Gyro Clones 4u 1143	Posted - 2014.02.13 20:47:00 - [22] - Quote Sgt Kirk wrote: It's cheaper to get them to do it. Probably why dust is free. Oh, don't get me started on this one. Cheaper in what sense? Cheaper per unit of game functionality produced? Cheaper per subscriber-year? Cheaper per good review? Or just cheaper per programmer-hour? RF Gyro: 12.5% damage bonus; 10.5% rate of fire bonus
DeadlyAztec11 Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 4135	Posted - 2014.02.13 20:48:00 - [23] - Quote Rynoceros wrote: Drud Green wrote: Hey op, how many chinese made devices do you currently own? how many of them perform as poorly as dust? Shanghai is not the issue. Most of my cheap **** which was originally outsourced to China has been re-outsourced to Mexico. -íOl+¬! -íMexico! Where we make things French Quality on an Ugandan pay stub. My alts: General John Ripper, Draxus Prime, MoonEagle A, Anarchide, Long Evity And this is why I am the #1 forum warrior
Rynoceros Rise Of Old Dudes 2438	Posted - 2014.02.13 20:52:00 - [24] - Quote DeadlyAztec11 wrote: -íMexico! Where we make things French Quality on an Ugandan pay stub. Fact of the Day? I GÖú Kittens.
TheAmazing FlyingPig Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 5726	Posted - 2014.02.13 20:53:00 - [25] - Quote I got forum banned for making a similar thread. I still stand by my post, even if the 404 Gods have claimed it. Never forget May 14, 2013: Beta 2.0
D legendary hero Ultramarine Corp 1568	Posted - 2014.02.13 20:53:00 - [26] - Quote Rynoceros wrote: Drud Green wrote: Hey op, how many chinese made devices do you currently own? how many of them perform as poorly as dust? Shanghai is not the issue. Most of my cheap **** which was originally outsourced to China has been re-outsourced to Mexico. -íOl+¬! de nada Sou o Defendeiro dos derrubados_Pronto saberá justiça
Rynoceros Rise Of Old Dudes 2438	Posted - 2014.02.13 20:55:00 - [27] - Quote D legendary hero wrote: Rynoceros wrote: Drud Green wrote: Hey op, how many chinese made devices do you currently own? how many of them perform as poorly as dust? Shanghai is not the issue. Most of my cheap **** which was originally outsourced to China has been re-outsourced to Mexico. -íOl+¬! de nada Palabra, guey. I GÖú Kittens.
Midas Fool Black Phoenix Mercenaries Legacy Rising 369	Posted - 2014.02.13 21:28:00 - [28] - Quote Rynoceros wrote: Palabra, guey. Hey, whoa whoa, that's OUR word. Firstly, the fact that you bring up race in the first place started your argument off in the wrong way. I don't believe that you aren't racist, but it is clear that you are implying that because a product is made in China it deserves less respect. The problem with the logistics of communication in another language across the globe is hardly a situation to criticize. Many companies making much more difficult things manage it just fine. You are a farmer; don't you think that that situation happens every time foreign crops are imported? We have the internet now. If you're going to say something say what you mean and mean what you say. Also I am from Mexico, and I have been to China, and it would be a lie to say that a great deal of production based industries are not at the same level of technology or organization as those in the US and EU. The factor of course is money and part culture but rest assured that other countries are just as capable at producing capable developers and software producers. As someone said earlier in the thread, Shanghai is a modern, very up-to-date city. It is not a lone run-down "typical Chinese factory" that houses the office used to produce this game. Ok, so of course it is being produced the way it is to conserve money, but that is not the reason that the game has its issues. I personally believe that most of the issues rise from CCPs inexperience with new game development as a whole, from the level of finance and marketing to lower-level management and bureaucracy. I honestly do not believe that CCP (in all locations) does not have talented/experienced programmers and staff but it is clear by their rollout of this game that they didn't know what they were diving in to. That doesn't mean that this game isn't good or going to be better, but CCP isn't quite Activision. You'll have to give them the benefit of the doubt and just as with EVE they'll figure it out and start delivering some quality stuff. For anyone who wants to know the word 'guey' is used in the same way as 'dude' or 'mate' or 'bro'. It is not racist or offensive to Mexicans in any way but you might get strange looks if you use it. +25 Kill Assist...+25 Kill Assist...+25 Kill Assist...NO HOW WHY
Logi Bro Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic 2933	Posted - 2014.02.13 21:33:00 - [29] - Quote Rynoceros wrote: Duke Noobiam wrote: A little off topic here, but is your corp "Rise of old dudes" a corp for older gamers? That was the original intent after Chromosome. I don't allocate enough time to this game to make it worth expanding. It's never been anyone other than me. OP is an old, likely white, farmer. I didn't know you could actually smell republican racism until just now. Shield Recommendations
Rynoceros Rise Of Old Dudes 2439	Posted - 2014.02.13 21:42:00 - [30] - Quote @Midas, my growing partner is Mexican. Before going into farming, I was a cook for 15 years. Most of 'my people' are Mexican and Guatemalan. I mention the racist thing because most of the people here are stupid children with no scope of reality and if you don't name a specific person they assume you're disparaging an entire race. I've given CCP my time and the benefit of doubt for over a year. They've been at it even longer. It's time to start pointing fingers and assessing blame if they hope to salvage this ship before it sinks. This game is on the verge of being forgotten rubbish if nothing is done. I GÖú Kittens.



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