DUST Search - The total imbalance that is AMBUSH (pic inside)

Ghosts Chance wrote:

Son-Of A-Gun wrote:

Ghosts Chance wrote:

Son-Of A-Gun wrote:

Ghosts Chance wrote:

ambush has always been broken, why do you think this is news?

Man, some of you people just make no sence. Just because something has "always been that way" is no reason that it should not be discussed and/or fixed.

Ridiculous line of reasoning here.

it cant be fixed, its broken by its very design.

ambush aka team death match, where the only objective is to kill and not die will always be "broken"

in the begining tank spam was king.

then people figured out how to control the spawns and would set up a spawn trap.

you can limit tanks, but you can never fix the spawn trap, and therefore it has been and always will be broken.

the only solution to spawn trapping would be to create a system similar to the redline, except that it would either make spawn trapping easyer or end up making it a death match between snipers.

its not fixable, theres no point in discussing it.

That's quite a nice opinion you've got there. You ever heard the expression "opinions are like @$$hols"?

your the one who fancys yourself a dev, while simultaniously lacking a basic understanding of math..... i have not forgotten you crappy matchmaking opinion in compairison to my matchmaking math :P

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CommanderBolt ACME SPECIAL FORCES Legacy Rising 628	Posted - 2014.02.13 12:51:00 - [1] - Quote This happened yesterday. Well to be more clear this type of thing happened for a good hour or two that I played ambush until finally there was a city map with actual cover. http://i.imgur.com/dUg1XGN.jpg The enemy did not get even one single kill. CCP this type of thing is certainly pushing new players away from the game. AV needs to be buffed. Spawns need to seriously be reworked. The only guy on the enemy team to receive any warpoints got 650 WP I assume from uplinks. I just thought I would show this as it was the worst stomp I have ever seen in my year + of playing DUST 514. (Every member on my side above me was in a tank fyi)
Repe Susi Rautaleijona Top Men. 1019	Posted - 2014.02.13 12:57:00 - [2] - Quote Ridiculous. I think I was in that match. (Manus Peak?) I was on the stomping team but I had to quit because I had to get to work. Previous match it was the same. Carbon 7 and Duna corp on the same side spamming tanks. Life is pleasant. Death is peaceful. It's the transition that's troublesome. ~ Isaac Asimov
CommanderBolt ACME SPECIAL FORCES Legacy Rising 629	Posted - 2014.02.13 13:01:00 - [3] - Quote Repe Susi wrote: Ridiculous. I think I was in that match. (Manus Peak?) I was on the stomping team but I had to quit because I had to get to work. Previous match it was the same. Carbon 7 and Duna corp on the same side spamming tanks. Yep manus peak. Yes it was that way for a good hour or two. I was both against them and put with them. It made for boring games on both sides. Its ridiculous.
Justicar Karnellia Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State 683	Posted - 2014.02.13 13:22:00 - [4] - Quote Well, I salute you for suffering through that to take that picture... I think there's no need to hammer point home any more - there's a drastic issue here, but until CCP break out of their self-imposed silence (or come back from holiday again).. then I think we can only guess as to what their suggested solution will be.
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 2511	Posted - 2014.02.13 13:27:00 - [5] - Quote I have diagnosed what the problem is The problem is ambush Play another mode Intelligence is OP
Prince Adidas Horizons' Edge 26	Posted - 2014.02.13 13:31:00 - [6] - Quote This is why I stay away from ambush. This happens a lot, but you rarely get to see a picture to go along with it. Not a single kill, so imbalanced. Rookie With Little DUST Knowledge. Online Almost Everyday. "Yes, I'm a scrub since I use the Rail Rifle" -Prince
CommanderBolt ACME SPECIAL FORCES Legacy Rising 633	Posted - 2014.02.13 13:59:00 - [7] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: I have diagnosed what the problem is The problem is ambush Play another mode I have played ambush matches for about a year. Granted there have always been problems, most noteably with the poor spawn locations and systems. Regardless though it has never been as painful as it has been since 1.7 landed. Only very occasionally now do you get decent good honest fights in ambush. This used to be the norm. CCP Please can we can an infantry only ambush? OR please do something.
pyramidhead 420 Carbon 7 CRONOS. 321	Posted - 2014.02.13 14:41:00 - [8] - Quote its called TANKBUSH and it doesn't matter, we stomp on foot too. we were like the 72 dolphins in that match ps \o/ yaaaa my (our) first hate thread. (at least i dont run blasters)
Son-Of A-Gun 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 1207	Posted - 2014.02.13 14:58:00 - [9] - Quote Yup tryed to talk about this yesterday, but just got booed at. {:)}{3GÇó>
CommanderBolt ACME SPECIAL FORCES Legacy Rising 634	Posted - 2014.02.13 15:25:00 - [10] - Quote pyramidhead 420 wrote: its called TANKBUSH and it doesn't matter, we stomp on foot too. we were like the 72 dolphins in that match ps \o/ yaaaa my (our) first hate thread. (at least i dont run blasters) Its not a hate thread. Its also certainly not specific to your corp or even DUNA and his corp (Even though he is notorious for this) it is a balance issue. Come on dude look at that. 0 , 0 , 0 , 0 , 0 , 0 , 0 , 0 , 0 , 0 , etc.... It is totally wrong and is losing CCP customers by the bucket load. (CCP has enough problems with dust as it is)
Aleph Rynedee Science For Death 57	Posted - 2014.02.13 15:27:00 - [11] - Quote pyramidhead 420 wrote: and it doesn't matter, we stomp on foot too. we were like the 72 dolphins in that match So y'all played like old, bloated and mean spirited men who can only find pleasure in the abject failure of others. Makes sense, then, for you to roll around in tanks. Stack the odds so the only possible outcome is a crushing loss by the cranberries. Now I have no love for the '72 'phins, but they didn't dominate the field that season due to superior talent/equipment, they went undefeated because they were a strong team that got lucky a few times (ask Syracuse if they'd rather be lucky or good after last night).
DJINN Marauder Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 4127	Posted - 2014.02.13 15:31:00 - [12] - Quote "Tanks aren't OP" "AV IS FINE" GôÉGô¥GôÿGô£Gôö > GôÉGô¢Gô¢ Gÿà¿When will dust get better?Gÿà Forum Warrior LV. 4 \| Warframe is awesome! \| PSN: I-NINJA-ALL-DAY
CommanderBolt ACME SPECIAL FORCES Legacy Rising 634	Posted - 2014.02.13 15:34:00 - [13] - Quote DJINN Marauder wrote: "Tanks aren't OP" "AV IS FINE" I know right... :( Anyone who says that is either A. Talking out of their arse or B. trying to protect their win toys. Its embarrassing how low people have got. AV does need a buff. The lower end standard grade AV more so than the others but they ALL need some sort of buff.
Ghosts Chance Inf4m0us 1075	Posted - 2014.02.13 15:45:00 - [14] - Quote ambush has always been broken, why do you think this is news?
Son-Of A-Gun 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 1208	Posted - 2014.02.13 15:49:00 - [15] - Quote Ghosts Chance wrote: ambush has always been broken, why do you think this is news? Man, some of you people just make no sence. Just because something has "always been that way" is no reason that it should not be discussed and/or fixed. Ridiculous line of reasoning here. {:)}{3GÇó>
TechMechMeds Swamp Tempo Canis Eliminatus Operatives 2696	Posted - 2014.02.13 16:00:00 - [16] - Quote Son-Of A-Gun wrote: Yup tryed to talk about this yesterday, but just got booed at. How dare you comment about talking about the issue. Booooooooooooooooooo. Level 2 forum warrior. Swamp iz on dat welevant flex fam I sold my family to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic
Ghosts Chance Inf4m0us 1075	Posted - 2014.02.13 16:01:00 - [17] - Quote Son-Of A-Gun wrote: Ghosts Chance wrote: ambush has always been broken, why do you think this is news? Man, some of you people just make no sence. Just because something has "always been that way" is no reason that it should not be discussed and/or fixed. Ridiculous line of reasoning here. it cant be fixed, its broken by its very design. ambush aka team death match, where the only objective is to kill and not die will always be "broken" in the begining tank spam was king. then people figured out how to control the spawns and would set up a spawn trap. you can limit tanks, but you can never fix the spawn trap, and therefore it has been and always will be broken. the only solution to spawn trapping would be to create a system similar to the redline, except that it would either make spawn trapping easyer or end up making it a death match between snipers. its not fixable, theres no point in discussing it.
Repe Susi Rautaleijona Top Men. 1025	Posted - 2014.02.13 16:11:00 - [18] - Quote Ambush is brokenest it has ever been. shudup I know english: broken, brokener, brokenest. Life is pleasant. Death is peaceful. It's the transition that's troublesome. ~ Isaac Asimov
CommanderBolt ACME SPECIAL FORCES Legacy Rising 635	Posted - 2014.02.13 16:14:00 - [19] - Quote Ghosts Chance wrote: Son-Of A-Gun wrote: Ghosts Chance wrote: ambush has always been broken, why do you think this is news? Man, some of you people just make no sence. Just because something has "always been that way" is no reason that it should not be discussed and/or fixed. Ridiculous line of reasoning here. it cant be fixed, its broken by its very design. ambush aka team death match, where the only objective is to kill and not die will always be "broken" in the begining tank spam was king. then people figured out how to control the spawns and would set up a spawn trap. you can limit tanks, but you can never fix the spawn trap, and therefore it has been and always will be broken. the only solution to spawn trapping would be to create a system similar to the redline, except that it would either make spawn trapping easyer or end up making it a death match between snipers. its not fixable, theres no point in discussing it. I'm sorry but that is nonsense. Even on Battlefield 3 on the smallest of maps with 64 players in deathmatch there is no spawn trapping like there is in DUST. Spawns need to be put in better locations, they also need to spawn blues AWAY from red dots. Basically tweaks and a better spawn system would be all it would take. I do also believe map design is a bit of a problem in this regard. That is something CCP will have to learn about through their mistakes but it would not be a major problem, again just tweaks and changes.
Son-Of A-Gun 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 1209	Posted - 2014.02.13 16:16:00 - [20] - Quote Ghosts Chance wrote: Son-Of A-Gun wrote: Ghosts Chance wrote: ambush has always been broken, why do you think this is news? Man, some of you people just make no sence. Just because something has "always been that way" is no reason that it should not be discussed and/or fixed. Ridiculous line of reasoning here. it cant be fixed, its broken by its very design. ambush aka team death match, where the only objective is to kill and not die will always be "broken" in the begining tank spam was king. then people figured out how to control the spawns and would set up a spawn trap. you can limit tanks, but you can never fix the spawn trap, and therefore it has been and always will be broken. the only solution to spawn trapping would be to create a system similar to the redline, except that it would either make spawn trapping easyer or end up making it a death match between snipers. its not fixable, theres no point in discussing it. That's quite a nice opinion you've got their. You ever heard the expression "opinions are like @$$hols"? {:)}{3GÇó>
Ghosts Chance Inf4m0us 1076	Posted - 2014.02.13 16:32:00 - [21] - Quote Son-Of A-Gun wrote: Ghosts Chance wrote: Son-Of A-Gun wrote: Ghosts Chance wrote: ambush has always been broken, why do you think this is news? Man, some of you people just make no sence. Just because something has "always been that way" is no reason that it should not be discussed and/or fixed. Ridiculous line of reasoning here. it cant be fixed, its broken by its very design. ambush aka team death match, where the only objective is to kill and not die will always be "broken" in the begining tank spam was king. then people figured out how to control the spawns and would set up a spawn trap. you can limit tanks, but you can never fix the spawn trap, and therefore it has been and always will be broken. the only solution to spawn trapping would be to create a system similar to the redline, except that it would either make spawn trapping easyer or end up making it a death match between snipers. its not fixable, theres no point in discussing it. That's quite a nice opinion you've got there. You ever heard the expression "opinions are like @$$hols"? your the one who fancys yourself a dev, while simultaniously lacking a basic understanding of math..... i have not forgotten you crappy matchmaking opinion in compairison to my matchmaking math :P
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy 1964	Posted - 2014.02.13 16:32:00 - [22] - Quote Poor Ocean WIND. I'll have to donate some isk later for trying to the end and keeping up our good name. IMO, while ambush has always been a little broken, it's way worse now. Part of it can be explained by tankbush, but the whole "smart spawn" (biggest troll mechanic evar) thing is just an abject failure in every possible respect. There needs to be a small protected spawn area somewhere, maybe a moving MCC or something (that just drops you, you can't sit in it) to keep it from being instakill on spwaning like it often degenerates too. "The line between disorder and order lies in logistics" -Sun Tzu Forum Warrior lv.1 Amarr victor!
Son-Of A-Gun 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 1210	Posted - 2014.02.13 16:37:00 - [23] - Quote Ghosts Chance wrote: Son-Of A-Gun wrote: Ghosts Chance wrote: Son-Of A-Gun wrote: Ghosts Chance wrote: ambush has always been broken, why do you think this is news? Man, some of you people just make no sence. Just because something has "always been that way" is no reason that it should not be discussed and/or fixed. Ridiculous line of reasoning here. it cant be fixed, its broken by its very design. ambush aka team death match, where the only objective is to kill and not die will always be "broken" in the begining tank spam was king. then people figured out how to control the spawns and would set up a spawn trap. you can limit tanks, but you can never fix the spawn trap, and therefore it has been and always will be broken. the only solution to spawn trapping would be to create a system similar to the redline, except that it would either make spawn trapping easyer or end up making it a death match between snipers. its not fixable, theres no point in discussing it. That's quite a nice opinion you've got there. You ever heard the expression "opinions are like @$$hols"? your the one who fancys yourself a dev, while simultaniously lacking a basic understanding of math..... i have not forgotten you crappy matchmaking opinion in compairison to my matchmaking math :P LOL! I majored in math in college dip****. And I'm through talk with you again... Moron. {:)}{3GÇó>
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy 1964	Posted - 2014.02.13 16:39:00 - [24] - Quote Just noticed the awesome matchmaking, though it's no surprise. Duna and one of his sidekicks, a squad from carbon 7, the OP, etc against a team of randoms in Ambush. What could possibly go wrong? "The line between disorder and order lies in logistics" -Sun Tzu Forum Warrior lv.1 Amarr victor!
Kiriasis Draca Ultramarine Corp 114	Posted - 2014.02.13 16:40:00 - [25] - Quote I'm still kind of at a loss as to what place tanks have in an ambush. But, i've been told I have no clue what i'm talking about so it's whatever.
Sum1ne Else WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL Top Men. 892	Posted - 2014.02.13 17:21:00 - [26] - Quote This is just full of AFKing blueberries.. the pic shows er ZERO WPs for both teams? Not too sure this is factual evidence of the poor matchmaking buddy. Public Relations WJR Its a leopleuradon Charlie a magical leoplueradon, its gunna guide our way to candy mountain!
John Demonsbane Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy 1965	Posted - 2014.02.13 17:25:00 - [27] - Quote Sum1ne Else wrote: This is just full of AFKing blueberries.. the pic shows er ZERO WPs for both teams? Not too sure this is factual evidence of the poor matchmaking buddy. lolwut? You don't die 7 times AFKing. My guess is people left that match multiple times and new people were dropped into it to their doom by that sadist Scotty. I'm sure there are some AFK'ers there but that's not the explanation. "The line between disorder and order lies in logistics" -Sun Tzu Forum Warrior lv.1 Amarr victor!
Altina McAlterson Pure Innocence. EoN. 853	Posted - 2014.02.13 17:28:00 - [28] - Quote Matchmaking has always been trash and will continue to be trash for the foreseeable future. The only good thing about any of it is schadenfreude. Good Advice Grey 17 should have stayed missing.
Bethhy Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 1199	Posted - 2014.02.13 17:29:00 - [29] - Quote duna's tank squad strikes again ;) This is what happens when there is NOTHING to do in DUST but run Pub's... We Need private matches and PC 2.0 that the general DUST community can participate in to stop these pub stomps.. Otherwise bored people group up to be less bored and carnage ensues.
Jack Kittinger Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 117	Posted - 2014.02.13 17:54:00 - [30] - Quote fors ome reason yesterday it was a massacre after the other with stacked teams pitted against randoms, who I could tell were either traumatized or had no clue because they would constantly crouch and move like they were playing gearsofwort but now I get to play spambushes where at first it looks like one side is gonna stomp the other hands down and then things change drastically 5 minutes into the match. Proud winner of the 'Templar BPO Raffle' by Castor Crave!! Lucky Number 29

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