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ResistanceGTA D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 257	Posted - 2014.02.12 23:36:00 - [1] - Quote In particular, the more than likely removal of the "+1 to clip size of Minmatar Explosive Weapons". I understand why you would want to change that, in particular with the buff the Mass Driver is getting, but, could we instead change it to "+1 to ammo capacity of Minmatar Explosive Weapons per level"? Please? Pretty please with lamb kebab on top. Oh, what if I use some math, could that sway the discussion, then fine, I'll try the big city math stuffs. Weapon Variant Base Ammo/Clip Size/Base clips on spawn Ammo Skilled Maxed/Clip Size/Max Ammo Carried Difference Assault Rifle (Vanilla) 300 rounds/ 60 round clip/ 5 clips 375 rounds/ 60 round clip/ 6.25 clips +1.25 clips Assault Rifle (Breach) 300 rounds/ 36 round clip/ 8.333 clips 375 rounds/ 36 round clip/ 10.41 clips +2.083 clips Assault Rifle (Tactical) 300 rounds/ 18 round clip/ 16.667 clips 375 rounds/ 18 round clip/ 20.833 clips +4.167 clips Assault Rifle (Burst)3 300 rounds/ 60 round clip/ 5 clips 375 rounds/ 60 round clip/ 6.25 clips +1.25 clips Sniper Rifle (Vanilla/Charge) 25 rounds/ 5 round clip/ 5 clips 31.25 rounds (so, 31 I assume)/ 5 round clip/ 6.2 clips +1.2 clips Sniper Rifle (Tactical) 30 rounds/ 3 round clip/ 10 clips 37.5 rounds (so, I assume 38)/ 3 round clip/ 12.667 clips +2.667 clips Swarm Launcher (Vanilla/Assault/Specialist) 6 rounds/ 3 round clip/ 2 clips 11 rounds/ 3 round clip/ 3.667 clips +1.667 clips Laser Rifle (Vanilla, duh) 500 rounds/ 100 round clip/ 5 clips 625 rounds/100 round clip/ 6.25 clips +1.25 clips Shotgun (Vanilla) 32 rounds/ 8 round clip/ 4 clips 40 rounds/ 8 round clip/ 5 clips +1 clip Shotgun (Breach) 14 rounds/ 2 round clip/ 7 clips 17.5 rounds (I assume rounds to 18)/ 2 round clip/ 9 clips +2 clips Shotgun (Specialist) 24 rounds/ 8 round clip/ 3 clips 30 rounds/ 8 round clip/ 3.75 clips +.75 clips Note, this is the drawback of Specialist Shotguns, less ammo for less CPU/PG Scrambler Rifle (Vanilla) 225 rounds/ 45 round clip/ 5 clips 281.25 rounds(I assume rounds to 281)/ 45 round clip/ 6.244 clips +1.244 clips Scrambler Rifle (Assault) 325 rounds/ 72 round clip/ 4.514 clips 406.25 rounds(I assume rounds to 406)/ 72 round clip/ 5.639 clips +1.125 clips Plasma Cannon (Vanilla, duh) 9 rounds/ 1 round clip/ 9 clips (Math FTW) 14 rounds/ 1 round/ 14 clips +5 clips Combat Rifle (Vanilla)* 324 rounds/ 54 round clip/ 6 clips 405 rounds/ 54 round clip/ 7.5 clips +1.5 clips Combat Rifle (Assault)* 408 rounds/ 68 round clip/ 6 clips 510 rounds/ 68 round clip/ 7.5 clips +1.5 clips Rail Rifle (Vanilla/Assault) 252 rounds/ 42 round clip/ 6 clips 315 rounds/ 42 round clip/ 7.5 clips +1.5 clips *Note: Combat Rifle and Assault Combat Rifle were calculated using current clip size, but, to account for Minmatar Assault Bonus- Combat Rifle (Vanilla) Min Assault Lvl 5 324 rounds/ 67.5(I assume rounds up to 68)/ 4.765 clips 405 rounds/ 68 round clip/ 5.995 clips +1.19 clips Combat Rifle (Assault) Min Assault Lvl 5 408 rounds/ 85 round clip/ 4.8 clips 510 rounds/ 85 rounds/ 6 clips +1.2 clips And finally... Mass Driver (Vanilla/Breach) 18 rounds/ 6 round clip/ 3 clips 23 rounds/ 6 round clip/ 3.833 clips +.833 clips Mass Driver (Assault) 27 rounds/ 8 round clip/ 3.375 clips 32 rounds/ 8 round clip/ 4 clips +.625 clips As can be gleamed, the Mass Driver gains the least ammo for maxed out Ammo Capacity, with all 3 variants gaining less than a clip, with only one other weapon Variant gaining less than a full clip (Specialist Shotgun). For 932,760 SP, the Mass Driver gains very little. However, if this was augmented by the Minmatar Assault Bonus, the numbers would drastically improve- Mass Driver (Vanilla/Breach) Min Assault Lvl 5 23 rounds/ 6 round clip/ 3.833 clips 28 rounds/ 6 round clip/ 4.667 clips +.8337 clips, but from pure base (0 SP: +1.667) Mass Driver (Assault) Min Assault Lvl 5 32 rounds/ 8 round clip/ 4 clips 37 rounds/ 8 round clip/ 4.625 clips +.625 clips, but from pure base (0 SP: +1.25 clips) While some might see this as OP, what with the damage buff, I feel the 3,420,120 SP required to get 1.25-1.667 clip increase should balance this out. Thoughts community? I would enjoy some feedback, debate, telling me how wrong I am. I do realize the rifles are having some changes coming to them, but, I'm using what I know for sure right now. If anyone sees any errors, please bring them to my attention before I consider putting this in feedback. xSivartx is my Heavy. There are many like him, but he is my own... So, other Logi's back off, those are my Warpoints!
N1ck Comeau Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 2066	Posted - 2014.02.12 23:37:00 - [2] - Quote mass driver will have an 11 round clip No idea on my guns right now. Getting majority to level 3 at least, then deciding. Proud member of RND
Monkey MAC Rough Riders.. 1945	Posted - 2014.02.12 23:48:00 - [3] - Quote No I want that bonus, is good for my Min fit. If Amarr get to keep heat reduction we should get to have mag size bonus. Also give caldarri gallante better bonuses. Tanks 514 I told you, I bloody well told you. Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl.1
OZAROW 0uter.Heaven 1396	Posted - 2014.02.13 00:06:00 - [4] - Quote All I want is a breach shotty that has 3 or 4 in the clip, so I vote for whatever that is SUPER NOVA KNIFE SAIYAN 4
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 7011	Posted - 2014.02.13 00:07:00 - [5] - Quote I don't understand your complaints, the Assault bonus was for projectile and explosive weapons, that only includes combat rifles, SMG, and Mass drivers...and flaylocks. What is the new bonus to be? "Just know that though our enemies may only #YOLO, through God's grace we can #YOLF at his side." - Disciple of Kesha
DeadlyAztec11 Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 4122	Posted - 2014.02.13 00:35:00 - [6] - Quote OZAROW wrote: All I want is a breach shotty that has 3 or 4 in the clip, so I vote for whatever that is The bonus is not applicable to Plasma Weapons. My alts: General John Ripper, Draxus Prime, MoonEagle A, Anarchide, Long Evity And this is why I am the #1 forum warrior
Patrick57 Fatal Absolution 5005	Posted - 2014.02.13 00:39:00 - [7] - Quote OZAROW wrote: All I want is a breach shotty that has 3 or 4 in the clip, so I vote for whatever that is The bonus only applies to Minmatar projectile weapons. > GÇ£I am so clever that sometimes I don't understand a single word of what I am saying.GÇ¥ -Oscar Wilde
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 7016	Posted - 2014.02.13 00:40:00 - [8] - Quote I also was under the impression the bonus was for Magazine Ammunition capacity not Ammunition Carry Capacity "Just know that though our enemies may only #YOLO, through God's grace we can #YOLF at his side." - Disciple of Kesha
Kaughst Nyain San Renegade Alliance 193	Posted - 2014.02.13 00:46:00 - [9] - Quote There is a good chance that the buff to mass drivers also includes a buff to the ammo capacity also. It is one of the most obvious things CCP could do. "That is not how you say my name." "How do you say your name?" "I don't know but that is not how you say it."
COVERT SUBTERFUGE PSU GHOST SYNDICATE DARKSTAR ARMY 210	Posted - 2014.02.13 00:57:00 - [10] - Quote +5 to explosive clip is likely being dropped due to the MD buff. Subterfuge and terrorist GOD in the making Proud Minmatar - Alt of THE GREY CARDINAL Love the Art of War

Boot Booter Omega Elite Mercs INC. 257	Posted - 2014.02.13 00:58:00 - [11] - Quote First, OK as most people said it only applies to projectiles and explosives. Second... NO! Seriously why do you want it changed? The minmatar assault has been one of the worse suits in the game since it came out. We have the lowest HP and that is compensated by being marginally faster, which wait, every other suit can get back because they have more than two lows! We finally get some good news of why to spec into minassault and it takes a few seconds for people to want it changed. What would be the advantages of having more ammo really? We want clip size! I've been spraying people with hundred round clips for a long time and you've never complained, why start now? I appreciate all your maths but what I appreciate more is the first good news in minmatar assault history, other than being created for cannon fodder that is.
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 7019	Posted - 2014.02.13 01:03:00 - [12] - Quote Boot Booter wrote: First, OK as most people said it only applies to projectiles and explosives. Second... NO! Seriously why do you want it changed? The minmatar assault has been one of the worse suits in the game since it came out. We have the lowest HP and that is compensated by being marginally faster, which wait, every other suit can get back because they have more than two lows! We finally get some good news of why to spec into minassault and it takes a few seconds for people to want it changed. What would be the advantages of having more ammo really? We want clip size! I've been spraying people with hundred round clips for a long time and you've never complained, why start now? I appreciate all your maths but what I appreciate more is the first good news in minmatar assault history, other than being created for cannon fodder that is. Technically by the Model Amarrian dropsuits are UP too, being significantly slower, for a mere 30 HP gain at base level. "Just know that though our enemies may only #YOLO, through God's grace we can #YOLF at his side." - Disciple of Kesha
Boot Booter Omega Elite Mercs INC. 257	Posted - 2014.02.13 01:22:00 - [13] - Quote True enough.. But at least you can tank on a good amount of armor.
Kaughst Nyain San Renegade Alliance 196	Posted - 2014.02.13 01:26:00 - [14] - Quote Boot Booter wrote: First, OK as most people said it only applies to projectiles and explosives. Second... NO! Seriously why do you want it changed? The minmatar assault has been one of the worse suits in the game since it came out. We have the lowest HP and that is compensated by being marginally faster, which wait, every other suit can get back because they have more than two lows! We finally get some good news of why to spec into minassault and it takes a few seconds for people to want it changed. What would be the advantages of having more ammo really? We want clip size! I've been spraying people with hundred round clips for a long time and you've never complained, why start now? I appreciate all your maths but what I appreciate more is the first good news in minmatar assault history, other than being created for cannon fodder that is. There mighttttt be a buff to the clip to albeit probably a smaller than the former min bonus. It is a good reason to want to remove the bonus to Min Assault if there is a buff coming, balance the MD itself not on the back of a suit. "That is not how you say my name." "How do you say your name?" "I don't know but that is not how you say it."
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 4614	Posted - 2014.02.13 01:34:00 - [15] - Quote I do not want more ammo. I already have a Quantum Nanohive fitting setup, along with that there is the ammo skill that gives you more ammo. Buff that skill instead. Minmatar suits are hit and run. We need to have a bonus that allows for more hit, which is what the Explosive Weapon clip bonus will provide. I swear, everytime we get something nice... Please erase the OP before CCP takes you seriously. Want to know how to make a strike-through? [s[Example[/s] Now go my Forum Warriors. Use this new weapon for glory!
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 7022	Posted - 2014.02.13 01:56:00 - [16] - Quote Boot Booter wrote: True enough.. But at least you can tank on a good amount of armor. That's our racial proclivity. The Amarr have the highest, and most resilient armour values. Your's is speed and flexibility. "Just know that though our enemies may only #YOLO, through God's grace we can #YOLF at his side." - Disciple of Kesha
ResistanceGTA D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 259	Posted - 2014.02.13 02:46:00 - [17] - Quote Atiim wrote: I do not want more ammo. I already have a Quantum Nanohive fitting setup, along with that there is the ammo skill that gives you more ammo. Buff that skill instead. Minmatar suits are hit and run. We need to have a bonus that allows for more hit, which is what the Explosive Weapon clip bonus will provide. I swear, everytime we get something nice... Please erase the OP before CCP takes you seriously. You do realize that they stated somewhere (I'll hunt for it) that due to the DAMAGE BUFF they were strongly considering removing the +1 to clip size? No, for someone on the forums as much as you, that's pathetic. xSivartx is my Heavy. There are many like him, but he is my own... So, other Logi's back off, those are my Warpoints!


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