There is nothing wrong with FoTM chasing. This game isn't about "decorum" or any other e honour bullshit you want to inject. If you want to play around with lots of builds, that's fine and good, but if the game is so unbalanced that one play style is clearly superior, saying that anyone who happened to skill into that before it happened is a "true X" and anyone who moves to that playstyle just wants to join the FoTM really means that you think some should get the advantage, and everyone else should just deal with it.

Screw that.

because FoTM are broken weapons/equipment 98.74%% of the time that make doing anything outside of the FoTM useless and futile.

Example, Mass Driver, is near useless this build.
Plasma Rifle is **** compared to RR and CR of both variants
back in the Caldari Logi days there was no point in using anything other than a Caldari Logi.

FoTM makes gameplay stale and boring because it's usually something broken instead of it just being new. (see current MLT tankspam issue or go even further back with Logistics LAV spam)

That's why FoTM is usually a bad thing. New items are different but CCP has yet to release an item that didn't come off OP right away or severely under-powered. Hence why people didn't flock to the plasma cannon when it first came out.

Spoken like a true tryhard. This is why we can't have nice things. This right here.

DUST desperately needs game modes that require more than simple DPS to win.
That would encourage more diverse play and make FoTM chasing less problematic.

I don't support respecs amd fotm chasing because I believe in making our choices actually mean something.

If CCP would allow respecs they could abolish the skillsystem to begin with. It would be useless then, because everybody would just make sure they always have the best skills for the fitting they use.

because FoTM are broken weapons/equipment 98.74%% of the time that make doing anything outside of the FoTM useless and futile.

Example, Mass Driver, is near useless this build.
Plasma Rifle is **** compared to RR and CR of both variants
back in the Caldari Logi days there was no point in using anything other than a Caldari Logi.

FoTM makes gameplay stale and boring because it's usually something broken instead of it just being new. (see current MLT tankspam issue or go even further back with Logistics LAV spam)

That's why FoTM is usually a bad thing. New items are different but CCP has yet to release an item that didn't come off OP right away or severely under-powered. Hence why people didn't flock to the plasma cannon when it first came out.

What's wrong with chasing the FotM anyway? It's not something I do myself, but I don't really see the problem with it - maybe I have a different perspective on things. I'm a bit of an optimiser, and given the opportunity and some parameters I will min-max the living shit out of a build.

Maximum performance out of minimum expenditure.

The other method I like to choose is maximum role-play, so thematic feats, skills, class levels etc. I never had the SP or inclination to do that for DUST until now (Amarr Victor! Give me a race respec, CCP!). The two don't exist in a vacuum, of course, but full optimisation = sacrificing RP.

Again, not sure why this is a bad thing. Essentially it seems to me that it shows little more than who is willing to adapt, truly adapt, to win. After all, SP ain't something you're getting back. (Usually.)

If someone could enlighten me as to why FotM chasing is such a Bad Thing, I'd be greatly appreciative.

the main problem with fotm is once it gets balanced ppl ***** and act like they're victims while demanding there sp back. like with the flaylock pistol it's still a good gun you just can't shoot at ppls feet anymore and expect a kill from it. so when the splash damage got nerfed you actually had to hit your target and not around it ppl threw it away like last weeks garbage

It was thrown away because, like always, CCP over reacted. It is now last weeks garbage.

In DKS we had a word you for Lorhak.

Twinks...... Claymore, Giants, flipping, Hornet, Ring, back stabbing cunts...... not that you are mate.

There is no problem with FoTM, because once that fits weakness is revealed, everyone exploits the hell out of it, and rips those FoTMers apart.

And no. You don't have to sacrifice efficiency to RP, merely understand where you fit into the battlefield dynamic.

it works just fine ppl just don't want to use skill a hit their target instead of the broken hitting the ground five feet away instakill sidearm that it started as.

it works just fine ppl just don't want to use skill a hit their target instead of the broken hitting the ground five feet away instakill sidearm that it started as.

That's the problem. It's people wanting to win at the expense of variety and decorum. It's that low mindedness that keeps looking to exploit poor mechanics rather than use different stuff for fun.

There is a problem when something is powerful enough that it creates an imbalance just due to it becoming too prevalent. It's no fun when you can predict who is going to win and how.

Might as well have everybody give up and just use that one thing. Just get rid of everything else and have "OP rifle" 514.


We have enough vanilla assaults trying to prove their "manhood" with this game that they reject anything else lest it brand them a "coward".

Well, that's what you get from a kiddie console game GÇö kids.

Introducing...the Scrub
The derogatory term GÇ£scrubGÇ¥ means several different things. One definition is someone (especially a game player) who is not good at something (especially a game). By this definition, we all start out as scrubs, and there is certainly no shame in that. I mean the term differently, though. A scrub is a player who is handicapped by self-imposed rules that the game knows nothing about. A scrub does not play to win.

Now, everyone begins as a poor playerGÇöit takes time to learn a game to get to a point where you know what youGÇÖre doing. There is the mistaken notion, though, that by merely continuing to play or GÇ£learnGÇ¥ the game, one can become a top player. In reality, the GÇ£scrubGÇ¥ has many more mental obstacles to overcome than anything actually going on during the game. The scrub has lost the game even before it starts. HeGÇÖs lost the game even before deciding which game to play. His problem? He does not play to win.

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In Street Fighter, the scrub labels a wide variety of tactics and situations GÇ£cheap.GÇ¥ This GÇ£cheapnessGÇ¥ is truly the mantra of the scrub. Performing a throw on someone is often called cheap. A throw is a special kind of move that grabs an opponent and damages him, even when the opponent is defending against all other kinds of attacks. The entire purpose of the throw is to be able to damage an opponent who sits and blocks and doesnGÇÖt attack. As far as the game is concerned, throwing is an integral part of the designGÇöitGÇÖs meant to be thereGÇöyet the scrub has constructed his own set of principles in his mind that state he should be totally impervious to all attacks while blocking. The scrub thinks of blocking as a kind of magic shield that will protect him indefinitely. Why? Exploring the reasoning is futile since the notion is ridiculous from the start.

You will not see a classic scrub throw his opponent five times in a row. But why not? What if doing so is strategically the sequence of moves that optimizes his chances of winning? Here weGÇÖve encountered our first clash: the scrub is only willing to play to win within his own made-up mental set of rules. These rules can be staggeringly arbitrary. If you beat a scrub by throwing projectile attacks at him, keeping your distance and preventing him from getting near youGÇöthatGÇÖs cheap. If you throw him repeatedly, thatGÇÖs cheap, too. WeGÇÖve covered that one. If you block for fifty seconds doing no moves, thatGÇÖs cheap. Nearly anything you do that ends up making you win is a prime candidate for being called cheap. Street Fighter was just one example; I could have picked any competitive game at all.

scrambler rifle came out balanced

So did the AR

That's the problem. It's people wanting to win at the expense of variety and decorum. It's that low mindedness that keeps looking to exploit poor mechanics rather than use different stuff for fun.

There is a problem when something is powerful enough that it creates an imbalance just due to it becoming too prevalent. It's no fun when you can predict who is going to win and how.

Might as well have everybody give up and just use that one thing. Just get rid of everything else and have "OP rifle" 514.


We have enough vanilla assaults trying to prove their "manhood" with this game that they reject anything else lest it brand them a "coward".

Well, that's what you get from a kiddie console game GÇö kids.