I'm so frustrated with the Min Logis losing their hack speed bonus, I broke down and decided to rally support from the community for the possible respec that was confirmed by Iron Saber Wolf a couple weeks ago.

Sign and I will add you to the list.

• bamboo x

First off, IWS is absolutely a "real CPM" and one of our workhorses on the team, disrespecting him isn't going to impress me, or CCP, or anyone else for that matter. If you're going to lecture about maturity, make sure you're exuding it yourself. Also - I'm not sure how long you've been around these forums, but while IWS has been blessed with the urge to post prolifically, eloquence has never been his strong suit. This is a classic case of players having an absolute meltdown over a series of extremely rational (and truthful) comments about the issue.

The bottom line is this, no one (not the CPM, not CCP) is putting some foot down and refusing to deliver Corp Battles. This whole approachj of "GRAB THE TORCHES, FIRE UP THE PETITION, LETS HAVE A REVOLUTION" is a huge mistaken waste of effort, just as IWS previously said.

Here are the unadulterated facts, scrubbed of hyperbole and emotion:

1.) CCP does not respond to petitions. They have never been a recognized form of getting a feature or change pushed, They're not about to be, and signing and spamming one carries zero weight in terms of actually accomplishing what you want to accomplish.

2.) There is no need to convince either the CPM or CCP that there is plenty broken with PC, and plenty of merit in having pitched battles between corporation. I've personally brainstormed ideas with devs directly and seen interest in offering this type of gameplay in the future, the lack of them coming out and promising to work on this feature tomorrow does not mean that anyone's saying "corp battles will never happen in the future".

3.) CCP is undergoing some heavy internal examination under the leadership of the new EP, they're not ready to discuss the future of Dust at this time, but they will in the not-too-distant future. No, we cannot give you an ETA.

4.) The long-term planning taking place under the new EP will have a lot to do with what major features like this get worked on and in what order.

5.) CCP is working on dropsuits and weapons and balancing in the meantime, because work must continue, and this is low-hanging fruit they can manage without needing the long-term plans finalized yet. Work on dropsuits and balances does NOT indicate that this is the most important aspect of the game, only one that is manageable independent of the larger picture, which is still being painted.

6.) Pretending that there's some battle here between the will of the players and the will of CCP or the CPM is pointless and harmful, it wastes other community member's energy by leading them into a confrontation that is both unnecessary and only going to lessen your credibility as someone trying to make positive change.

So by all means, continue to berate IWS for sharing the truth, which is that Corp Contracts are not going to magically appear in 1.8 because you made a petition and got a bunch of people angry at a perceived slight. Corp contracts will also not return in their previous form, certainly not tied to Faction Warfare and certainly not without some of the design issues addressed in the process. Will they return in some form, some day? I certainly hope so, as do all of the rest of the CPM. No one's fighting the -idea- of corp contracts, all IWS is trying to explain is that stamping our feet and bumping threads is not going to be the way this gets implemented.

If any of MY statement above is factually untrue (such as devs EXPLICITLY declaring they will not be re-implementing a corp contract system or providing corps freedom to create their own content at districts) , feel free to correct me here. Otherwise, I'm more than happy to dowse the torches and send everyone home from the riot party with the comfortable knowledge that there's no need to obnoxiously bump threads and lead a faux revolution just to "be heard". You've been heard by the CPM, you've been heard by CCP, everyone knows PC is broke and corp contracts were more fun, and all there is left to do is to chill for a bit until the new EP can share with you his plan for the future.

....and THAN you can go grab your pitchforks again if don't hear what you're looking for. Fair enough?

Not the same topic, but the same idea that petitions don't work....

If they did, I'd be all for it and /sign it.

I don't care.

I just want them to see how many people are frustrated with being handed the **** end of the stick.

so people who trained into a suit specifically for no other reason than "it was the best", should get all their SP back so they can train into whatever NOW fits the role of "the best" without having to put any effort into it?

yeah no. against a respec.

Dust should feel pretty goddamn special with how many respec's they have been graced with so far, in EVE, we dotn see respecs, period, even if a class goes from top of the pile to bottom of the barrel, we will never see 1 sp in respec, only time we get sp back is when a skill is outright removed.

the level of entitlement in this thread is suffocating.

Just to add, the Medium Frames are all getting some base stat adjustments, but no changes to slots (though that's not ruled out for post 1.8)

so people who trained into a suit specifically for no other reason than "it was the best", should get all their SP back so they can train into whatever NOW fits the role of "the best" without having to put any effort into it?

yeah no. against a respec.

Dust should feel pretty goddamn special with how many respec's they have been graced with so far, in EVE, we dotn see respecs, period, even if a class goes from top of the pile to bottom of the barrel, we will never see 1 sp in respec, only time we get sp back is when a skill is outright removed.

the level of entitlement in this thread is suffocating.

so people who trained into a suit specifically for no other reason than "it was the best", should get all their SP back so they can train into whatever NOW fits the role of "the best" without having to put any effort into it?

yeah no. against a respec.

Dust should feel pretty goddamn special with how many respec's they have been graced with so far, in EVE, we dotn see respecs, period, even if a class goes from top of the pile to bottom of the barrel, we will never see 1 sp in respec, only time we get sp back is when a skill is outright removed.

the level of entitlement in this thread is suffocating.

You're an idiot, we should feel special, special about what... that we got half a piece of crap game and now they're giving us the other half and we want the same opportunity we could have had when they first released it. It is in no way any of our fault that this game wasn't release with all of its basic content.... so special... no... eve doesn't get a respec... i'm wondering if you understand how skill points work in Eve.

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Can I sign a different petition asking people to stop whining for respecs. Constant respecs are bad for the game and punish those players who put off short term benefits for a longer term goal (those who saved SP instead of wasting it on FOTM).

It's like buying a doughnut, but then they give you a bagel.
It's still food, but I want my doughnut.

No..


It is like going to a store that says they will eventually sell doughnuts, but declare that right now they only have Bagels, then you buying a bagel, get a bagel, and later complain that they wont give you a doughnut.
You bought your bagel, knowing it was bagel, and you ate the bagel - you made that choice, deal with it.

Only if I can sign a petition about people who make generalizations that all people who want (constant? LOL) respecs skilled up "FOTM"-stuff and ignores all the other stuff made in favor of respecs. I would also like to ask: Why do you think that "FOTM"-speccers don't have a pool of unassigned SP saved up?

The reason why you feel that respecs are constant...is because people use their SP to actually play a game and based on that, they can bring unbalanced stuff, glitches, bugs,.... to light. This way it's possible to improve the game way faster than just idling your SP, I hope you realize that UPRISING was a fiasco (I guess CCP didn't know what long term goal planning was either).

No..


It is like going to a store that says they will eventually sell doughnuts, but declare that right now they only have Bagels, then you buying a bagel, get a bagel, and later complain that they wont give you a doughnut.
You bought your bagel, knowing it was bagel, and you ate the bagel - you made that choice, deal with it.

Only if I can sign a petition about people who make generalizations that all people who want (constant? LOL) respecs skilled up "FOTM"-stuff and ignores all the other stuff made in favor of respecs. I would also like to ask: Why do you think that "FOTM"-speccers don't have a pool of unassigned SP saved up?

The reason why you feel that respecs are constant...is because people use their SP to actually play a game and based on that, they can bring unbalanced stuff, glitches, bugs,.... to light. This way it's possible to improve the game way faster than just idling your SP, I hope you realize that UPRISING was a fiasco (I guess CCP didn't know what long term goal planning was either).

Some players who use FOTM fittings might have a pool of unassigned SP, however, those are typically not the ones asking for a Respec (If they did have SP saved up, there would be no need for a respec as they could use their pool of SP to spec into whatever they wanted to after patch date).




I don't feel that respecs have been constant. We've had one respec (two if you count the tank skills for 1.7) that I know of, which was coincidental with the game leaving beta and going live. I was fine with it. However, ever since uprising, people have constantly been whining, err, asking for more respecs. Check the forums, you will find dozens of posts on this one issue. The game hasn't even been out of beta for one year and another respec would set a precedent that whenever a major change to the game balance happens, a respec will be given, so rather than being cautious with my SP, I should spend them on whatever is currently overpowered, and then just whine about a respec the next time something is changed.

And honestly, the only unbalanced stuff spending all your skillpoints on has brought to light is how overpowered certain weapons/suits/equipment are. This then leads to those items being nerfed, and a mass of people who now have a plethora of skillpoints in weapons/suits/equipment that is no longer OP, demanding a respec.

If people know ahead of time, that OP weapons/suits/equipment will be nerfed eventually, and no respec will be given, they then have to weigh that against the benefits of abusing FOTM OP weapons/suits/equipment until they are nerfed. This translates to less people abusing the FOTM OP weapons/suits/equipment, which leads to a more pleasurable playing experience for all players, until the offending OP item is properly balanced.

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Can I sign a different petition asking people to stop whining for respecs. Constant respecs are bad for the game and punish those players who put off short term benefits for a longer term goal (those who saved SP instead of wasting it on FOTM).

It's hard to find out how things balance out if everyone is using one thing. CalLogiTAR514 anyone?

However, ever since uprising, people have constantly been whining, err, asking for more respecs. Check the forums, you will find dozens of posts on this one issue. The game hasn't even been out of beta for one year and another respec would set a precedent that whenever a major change to the game balance happens, a respec will be given, so rather than being cautious with my SP, I should spend them on whatever is currently overpowered, and then just whine about a respec the next time something is changed.

What was I supposed to do? Starve to death in the mean time?

No..


It is like going to a store that says they will eventually sell doughnuts, but declare that right now they only have Bagels, then you buying a bagel, get a bagel, and later complain that they wont give you a doughnut.
You bought your bagel, knowing it was bagel, and you ate the bagel - you made that choice, deal with it.

Saving those points will still benefit you as you can put them into Dropsuit Upgrades, which are confirmed to not be getting a respec. It will also benefit you if we ONLY get weapons or ONLY dropsuits respeced.

None of you who are against a respec are getting the point.

Minmatar Logis who skilled into the suit for the hacking speed bonus are being punished.

The same also goes for people who skilled into:

• Sentinel for the weapon feedback resistance
• Amarr Logi for the armor repair module bonus
• Logis for the armor rep bonus
• Assault for the shield recharge bonus
• Caldari for the shield bonuses

And what about the assault people weren't planning on skilling into the racial weapons which they will now be forced to do? Or people who have those weapons and not the correct assault suit being outclassed by those who do?

No.

It's like wanting a bagel, and ordering a bagel, and then being told they've changed the bagel into a salad. You didn't want a salad, so you demand a different order. Something with more bread and less lettuce.

I'm so frustrated with the Min Logis losing their hack speed bonus, I broke down and decided to rally support from the community for the possible respec that was confirmed by Iron Saber Wolf a couple weeks ago.

Sign and I will add you to the list.

1. Aggrohim
2. Alena Ventrallis
3. ALT2 acc
4. Awry Barux
5. bamboo x
6. bamaboy27z
7. Crashy Mc Boom-bewm
8. KalOfTheRathi
9. killertojo42
10. Ku Shala
11. Lorelei Zee
12. Minmatar Mercenary 9292
13. Mishra's Dragon
14. N1ck Comeau
15. Raylon Mortien
16. sebastian the huds
17. shadow drake35
18. Spectral Clone
19. Stahl Radec
20. The Terminator T-1000
21. TYCHUS MAXWEL
22. UncleGuspacho
23. Vakki Yuki
24. Vanell Sin

I'm so frustrated with the Min Logis losing their hack speed bonus, I broke down and decided to rally support from the community for the possible respec that was confirmed by Iron Saber Wolf a couple weeks ago.

Sign and I will add you to the list.

1. Aggrohim
2. Alena Ventrallis
3. ALT2 acc
4. Awry Barux
5. bamboo x
6. bamaboy27z
7. Crashy Mc Boom-bewm
8. KalOfTheRathi
9. killertojo42
10. Ku Shala
11. Lorelei Zee
12. Minmatar Mercenary 9292
13. Mishra's Dragon
14. N1ck Comeau
15. Raylon Mortien
16. sebastian the huds
17. shadow drake35
18. Spectral Clone
19. Stahl Radec
20. The Terminator T-1000
21. TYCHUS MAXWEL
22. UncleGuspacho
23. Vakki Yuki
24. Vanell Sin