then balance acordingly

if you really want logis to support players instead of killing then this is the only way.

how can any assault expect logis to give up tank and damage while they cling onto their equipment slots supplying themselves.

that or remove the grenade slot and make grenades equipment. if logis should have to choose between tank or damage then so should combat classes when it comes to damage or self support

also make swarms equipment

so you really think the inability to use grenades is going to stop killer bees? i highly doubt it.

the killer bees take time to increase damage of their gun, they really wouldnt care about grenades.

and how is a logi going to support without equipment?

logis will have equipment?

understood all but this part... unless u were mocking me in some way. reword that in a less sarcastic tone please so i may understand what you are attempting to say.

you said logis won't be able to support without equipment... i said logis will have equipment. why would you think logis would not have equipment when thats the whole point of the thread, leaving equipment to support roles like logis and scouts and rebalancing suits to compensate

and there is nothing in the slightest sarcasting in that

then balance acordingly

if you really want logis to support players instead of killing then this is the only way.

how can any assault expect logis to give up tank and damage while they cling onto their equipment slots supplying themselves.

that or remove the grenade slot and make grenades equipment. if logis should have to choose between tank or damage then so should combat classes when it comes to damage or self support

also make swarms equipment

then balance acordingly

if you really want logis to support players instead of killing then this is the only way.

how can any assault expect logis to give up tank and damage while they cling onto their equipment slots supplying themselves.

that or remove the grenade slot and make grenades equipment. if logis should have to choose between tank or damage then so should combat classes when it comes to damage or self support

also make swarms equipment

then balance acordingly

if you really want logis to support players instead of killing then this is the only way.

how can any assault expect logis to give up tank and damage while they cling onto their equipment slots supplying themselves.

that or remove the grenade slot and make grenades equipment. if logis should have to choose between tank or damage then so should combat classes when it comes to damage or self support

also make swarms equipment

Command suit need that equipment slot for future command specific module(that will give bonuses to squad, same as in EVE).

Do you realize that would gimp every other suit in the game except the basic heavies and sentinals


Removing slots from all other suits will make EVERYONE run logi

Or play with a squad that has one and invest in a mic...

Or play with a squad that has one and invest in a mic...

Removing sidearms didn't phase killer bees, why do you think removing grenades would too, you're just making logi's combat ineffective, not assaults more combat effective.

The problem is the high number of slots and high CPU/PG let them fit better modules and skip equipment all together, instead of using that extra CPU/PG to fit better equipment. An assault can still carry traige nanohives why would taking that away from them make a logi any less appealing? Take away logi hi's and low's, give the assaults a fitting boost (1.8 assault weapon bonus) and you'll see more balance.

i went on strike a few weeks back as a logi. i removed all my equipment that could help anyone even myself. my ammo lasted a very long time and when it ran out i had to go look for it or choose who/when to shoot at someone to conserve ammo. its was a lot of fun. this whole supplying yourself thing is just game breaking in my eyes. its a battlefield. ammo doesn't grow on tree's. it is carried or brought to you not instantly created for you at will

Well, what about snipers? Hives are nearly integral to certain operations...

scout suit..see title name

this...

you cant have the best of both worlds and expect logis not too. the new changes to suits will require logis to work with a squad but they wont require combat troops to work with a logi. only when they remove the equipment slot or do something very different as i have suggested in other threads can balance be obtained and a better overall combat experience for everyone

not saying this is one of my better idea but there are plenty of options.

in the end we need ccp to stop trying to make every suit be able to do everything. does it hurt a heavy not to be able to carry equipment or does it hurt assaults etc not to be able to use heavy weapons.not really so why does it work for heavies but will not work for assaults or scouts

I am sorry but I disagree with this. The point of running a logi class is that you are support. You literally enhance players around you. The reason for running an assault is not just slaying but being versatile; able to defend and attack. Without equipment assault becomes just about slaying enemies. With updates to logi bonuses combined with higher ttk I think the interaction of the two classes will change drastically.

Currently dust is about who has the highest eHP and DPS. Obviously there was an issue with logis and that's why their bonuses are being directed towards their intended role. For assualts though, again it's all about eHP and DPS. With ttk being increased it should become more about a balance of eHP, dps, and suit regen. In the new build ammo will run out quicker people will need more healing etc. An unsupported assault will be a dead assault. Removing equipment from assaults will do nothing but make them completely dependent on a logi. Instead what I think we want to happen (assuming only assault and logis exist in this simple conceptual scenario) is that an assault plus logi > assault plus assault and/or logi plus logi. But also logi plus logi = assault plus assault. Without equipment assaults would need to suffer greatly in eHP or dps in order to maintain suit regen not to mention be constantly running to a supply depot.

Tl;dr let's see how the new ttk and suit bonuses pan out. They may be better than you think. I think removing equipment from assault would greatly UP them.

Sorry if this didn't make any sense kinda was distracted.

A different solution:

1. Make Damage Mods fit the same slots as Grenades.

2. Give Assaults 3 DM/G slots. (See what I did there?) Logis only get one.

Assaults can have up to 3 Damage Mods or 3 Grenades or any combo thereof. Logis can only pick one of either.

Results:

- Assaults still get to play offence, and maybe add an extra Shield or two.

- Logis could no longer stack Damage Mods and would be less inclined to play Slayer Mode.

you said logis won't be able to support without equipment... i said logis will have equipment. why would you think logis would not have equipment when thats the whole point of the thread, leaving equipment to support roles like logis and scouts and rebalancing suits to compensate

and there is nothing in the slightest sarcasting in that