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Fizzer94
L.O.T.I.S.
D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
2012
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Posted - 2014.02.08 16:00:00 -
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iOwn AE Glitchers wrote:There was NOTHING wrong with the original bonuses
2% to ROF OR DAMAGE per level
5% to shield extender efficacy per level
only CCP can take a good idea and then trash it
CCP is trying to get away from straight damage bonuses, so that's a no go. It also seems they are trying to give Assaults weapon bonuses, and not module bonuses, so a shield extender bonus is out as well. My suggestion would be the proposed reload bonus, with a small spool time reduction on top.
+5% reload speed and -5% spool time for hybrid rail weapons per level?
Fizzer94 // Forum Warrior Operation II
MAG ~ Seryi Volk Executive Response
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Squagga
The State Protectorate
180
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Posted - 2014.02.08 16:13:00 -
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Fizzer94 wrote:iOwn AE Glitchers wrote:There was NOTHING wrong with the original bonuses
2% to ROF OR DAMAGE per level
5% to shield extender efficacy per level
only CCP can take a good idea and then trash it CCP is trying to get away from straight damage bonuses, so that's a no go. It also seems they are trying to give Assaults weapon bonuses, and not module bonuses, so a shield extender bonus is out as well. My suggestion would be the proposed reload bonus, with a small spool time reduction on top. +5% reload speed and -5% spool time for hybrid rail weapons per level?
Unfortunately he/she is right about the damage bonus. It just sounds unfeasible. The shield bonus however shouldn't be. But that's well what it is. I think that the reduction to spool up time would help things a little
Reloading, the silent killer.
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Squagga
The State Protectorate
180
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Posted - 2014.02.08 16:16:00 -
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iOwn AE Glitchers wrote:Squagga wrote:iOwn AE Glitchers wrote:Universal assault bonus needs to be a damage boost to distinguish it's slayer role over logistic slayers
How is reload speed going to fix that? CCP is ******* ********.
Caldari needs a shield boost and damage boost like the original stats were. Ok I can definately agree with this. The logis are getting nerfs. Yeah it sucks but hey people like me abused that situation. Sorry. I don't know if assaults need a buff if logis are getting a nerf. What I figured we were mostly talking about is what racial bonus we want? Afterall the reason why we're talking about this is because of the Amarr racial bonus for their rifle. Yes I want my shield bonus. I want a racial damage bonus to my rifle but maybe a shorter spool time would help things out How exactly are logis getting nerfed again? What's stopping me from a triple damage mod armor tanked cal logi standing in triage hives that now REP FASTER THAN EVER?
Ok. Then let's focus on what buff the assault class should be
Reloading, the silent killer.
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Ryme Intrinseca
613
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Posted - 2014.02.08 17:13:00 -
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I don't have a single SP in Cal assault but I think this bonus is a bit unfair. The Ama and Min bonuses fundamentally change how you can use your weapon. A reload bonus changes basically nothing.
What would be better? Maybe a slightly lower charge time? Or even a slight range increase? Both fit nicely with Caldari tech/doctrine. Either way, it has to be just enough make a difference but not so much that it's OP, if that's possible. |
Michael Arck
Onuoto Uakan Huogaatsu
3121
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Posted - 2014.02.08 17:18:00 -
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I'm beginning to not even care anymore. Is it happening to me? Surely I can't be turning into a bitter vet. Surely.
Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu.
For the State!!
[email protected]
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Floyd20 Azizora
L.O.T.I.S.
D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
5
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Posted - 2014.02.08 17:22:00 -
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what about a kick/sway bonus? make the guns better when aiming down sight, combined with spool up time or maybe a small cpu reduction on top of assualt bonus (more cpu means better shield tank). |
Bethhy
Ancient Exiles.
Renegade Alliance
1133
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Posted - 2014.02.08 17:23:00 -
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we already had consensus on the DPS bonuses for the DPS class...
Other then a couple yellow suit running people and heat gun breaking mechanic bonus supporters WELL OVER 60% of the community was happy with the DPS bonuses on a DPS class..
Now we get the same bonuses that they had on Chromosome blog's about the Assault? These bonuses unless they tweak the entire game around them will kill the class...
Hail Scout and Heavy 514 in 1.8. o7 |
Delta 749
Kestrel Reconnaissance
2522
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Posted - 2014.02.08 17:47:00 -
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Why cant we caldari have nice things
You can bomb it, you can strafe it, you can cover it with poison, you can turn it into glass, but you don't own it unles
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Mr Machine Guns
Nyain San
Renegade Alliance
424
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Posted - 2014.02.08 17:48:00 -
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Someone may of said this but RR are getting a nerd in 1.8 but Caldari new bonus applies to them, i don't get that, Keep the caldari bonus where it is because the shield extender HP numbers are garbage, if they get rid of the current bonus they need to add more HP to shield extenders as well |
Floyd20 Azizora
L.O.T.I.S.
D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
5
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Posted - 2014.02.08 18:08:00 -
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they are nerfing more then just the rail rifle. i just cant imagine the reload bonus being useful unless they cut the clip by 50% or so. i am guessing they want to make the RR less good in close range, yet the cal assualt bonus will be most useful in that range? give it to the gallente, take the kick reduction in exchange. |
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Michael Arck
Onuoto Uakan Huogaatsu
3123
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Posted - 2014.02.08 18:20:00 -
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Floyd20 Azizora wrote:they are nerfing more then just the rail rifle. i just cant imagine the reload bonus being useful unless they cut the clip by 50% or so. i am guessing they want to make the RR less good in close range, yet the cal assualt bonus will be most useful in that range? give it to the gallente, take the kick reduction in exchange.
Yes, the community cried and they listened. I'm shocked actually. I didn't think they would listen to the whiny brats who will vacate this place once Destiny arrives.
I said this to a friend earlier and its the truth...the folks with weaker resolves are ruining this game. I will slow my investment into this game.
Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu.
For the State!!
[email protected]
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Michael Arck
Onuoto Uakan Huogaatsu
3123
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Posted - 2014.02.08 18:26:00 -
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and for the OP...you have to understand, it wasn't the amarrians complaining about the ROF. It was bandwagon hoppers who cried about it. Folks like Cat Merc and many others who brought up ridiculous reasons why it should be nerfed. They are the ones who lead CCP down this stupid road. And they will continue to do so. I have watched this forum change aspects of the game for the worse. The proof in the pudding is scanners and tanks. No matter what people will say or how much they omit from memory, their constant threads pushing stupid ideas is what caused CCP to bring this about. They are trying to keep the players happy and the folks who talk in the forums really are short sighted and never think of the impacts. Most just want to deal with it as it arrives, never looking to the future for the possibility and the probability.
Until they stop listening to such whiny console players who are fickle as a thread of silk rope, we will continue this crazy formula of introduction, mass consumption, threads crying for nerfs and CCP obliging and making drastic changes to the game itself.
Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu.
For the State!!
[email protected]
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axis alpha
Red Star.
EoN.
202
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Posted - 2014.02.08 18:31:00 -
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Signed
I want +2% rof and my +5% shield extenders
The best part of waking up,
is whiskey in my cuuuuup!
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Midas Fool
Black Phoenix Mercenaries
Legacy Rising
339
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Posted - 2014.02.08 18:35:00 -
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Is this a joke? I've really missed the reload bonus.
-100 from this Cal Assault.
+25 Kill Assist...+25 Kill Assist...+25 Kill Assist...NO HOW WHY
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ANON Cerberus
Tiny Toons
325
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Posted - 2014.02.08 18:38:00 -
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My problem is that the RoF bonus is a Commando bonus. That's one of the 2 big things about being a commando. You have 2 light weapons and you get the reload speed (Or at least it was before 1.8 stats). Now we have the Caldari Assault emulating the commando bonus.
As others have said, it also is not very Caldari. The Caldari value efficiency. I highly doubt they would be in a rush to churn through ammo and get the fast reloads in.
Other ideas could be
- Increased optimal range with weapons per level.
- Reduced ammunition drain while firing weapons.
- Increased ammo replenishment from nanohives
- Increased ammo replenishment speed
Just throwing random ideas out but the first part of my post is the most important part. |
NextDark Knight
Hellstorm Inc
League of Infamy
178
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Posted - 2014.02.08 18:38:00 -
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I rather have the shield regeneration.. that was applied without modules on caldari assault
Forge Changes needed Officer Splash 3.0, Proto 2.7 Advanced 2.5 Standard 2.1.
Original ROF needs to return!
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Stupid Blueberry
Nova Corps Marines
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
89
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Posted - 2014.02.08 18:43:00 -
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Neo Rinzler wrote:https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1813024#post1813024
The Amarrians complained about the ROF because it wouldn't affect the semi auto SCR and thus the bonuses have been completely changed to give them their laser heat build up bonus back and look at what the Caldari Assault bonus now is ..
Reload Speed Increase
Please sign the petition below to get the bonus changed because quite frankly it suits neither the Assault Class nor the Caldari Playstyle
Signed
EDIT:-
Please post Alternative Bonuses and vote the ones you like the sound of so we can start getting the reload speed bonus changed and I'll begin adding the more popular ones below
o7
Signed. That role bonus is ********, yo.
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iOwn AE Glitchers
Kinsho Swords
Caldari State
54
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Posted - 2014.02.08 18:57:00 -
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Midas Fool wrote:Is this a joke? I've really missed the reload bonus.
-100 from this Cal Assault.
The reload bonus didn't even work in early uprising you filthy liar |
Squagga
The State Protectorate
184
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Posted - 2014.02.08 19:22:00 -
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Well .. increased RoF with a nerf to damage would ... wait I might actually like this
Reloading, the silent killer.
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axis alpha
Red Star.
EoN.
205
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Posted - 2014.02.08 19:58:00 -
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Or +5% to effective range to rail weapon per level
The best part of waking up,
is whiskey in my cuuuuup!
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI
8957
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Posted - 2014.02.08 20:01:00 -
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Assaults are about offensive capabilities, therefore they should have bonuses to increase weapon effectiveness. HP related things fit better on sentinels, not assaults. That being said, I don't think the reload bonus is nearly as appealing as some of the others, I would bundle (kind of like how Minmatar scout is getting hacking speed and knife damage bundled in one bonus) it with an ammo reserves bonus, and a kick reduction bonus to make it more useful. Maybe even an effective range bonus, if the rail weapons get an effective range reduction to compensate. I guess I would also be fine with the reload bonus being bundled with a 3% shield module efficacy or recharge bonus, as long as they also keep a weapon related bonus for hybrid-railgun weapons.
Before you say "don't suggest bonuses for a class you don't use", I have a Caldari assault alt account which I use with rail rifles and will use for testing more Caldari weapon.
Gû¦Gû+Supreme emperor god-kingpÇÉKAGEH¦PSHIpÇæ// Lord of threads // Forum alt Gû¦Gû+
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Vermaak Doe
SVER True Blood
Public Disorder.
1347
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Posted - 2014.02.08 20:03:00 -
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It should at least be a 5% range increase per level to hybrids, if not 7.5%.
"Always fight dirty, the victor writes history"
Eve toon: Drake Doe, professional hero tackler, full time pretzel boy
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SUPERTOASTER 789
D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N
D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
11
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Posted - 2014.02.08 20:10:00 -
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Signed. back to the old why 5+ to hp to shields plz
TOAST for all
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SUPERTOASTER 789
D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N
D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
11
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Posted - 2014.02.08 20:11:00 -
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SUPERTOASTER 789 wrote:Signed. back to the old why 5+ to hp to shields plz
cal are already gimped we don't need to add on to it
TOAST for all
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SUPERTOASTER 789
D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N
D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
11
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Posted - 2014.02.08 20:13:00 -
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Signed, where already gimped we do need a useless skill
TOAST for all
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Hired Pinp
Intrepidus XI
EoN.
11
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Posted - 2014.02.08 20:21:00 -
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Signed. Giving our shields even more of a crutch as if they want us to begin armor tanking like everyone else. |
DANJA DOM
FREE AGENTS LP
7
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Posted - 2014.02.09 16:23:00 -
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Lorhak Gannarsein wrote:DANJA DOM wrote:For some reason CCP hates caldari, they take giant dumps on us. But i'm happy about the amarr assault bonus staying :) My viziam will be happier. CCP... hates... Caldari? Did you honestly just say that? I point to you FG. SL. Railgun. CalLogi. Shields in general for most of the game's lifespan to date. Pre-nerf swarms. Current Gunnlogi. And of course, the RR. Most QQ inducing weapon since the Flaylock.
True, but i was misleading in what i said, i meant ccp hates caldari ASSAULT.
"Rules were made to be broken"
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KrazyEyeKilla
Nyain San
Renegade Alliance
30
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Posted - 2014.02.09 16:28:00 -
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Signed |
Bethhy
Ancient Exiles.
Renegade Alliance
1144
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Posted - 2014.02.09 16:52:00 -
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:Assaults are about offensive capabilities, therefore they should have bonuses to increase weapon effectiveness. HP related things fit better on sentinels, not assaults. That being said, I don't think the reload bonus is nearly as appealing as some of the others, I would bundle (kind of like how Minmatar scout is getting hacking speed and knife damage bundled in one bonus) it with an ammo reserves bonus, and a kick reduction bonus to make it more useful. Maybe even an effective range bonus, if the rail weapons get an effective range reduction to compensate. I guess I would also be fine with the reload bonus being bundled with a 3% shield module efficacy or recharge bonus, as long as they also keep a weapon related bonus for hybrid-railgun weapons.
Before you say "don't suggest bonuses for a class you don't use", I have a Caldari assault alt account which I use with rail rifles and will use for testing more Caldari weapon.
The bonuses in general don't balance. If the logi was having survivability issues with the DPS class having DPS bonuses.. Then there should of been tank bonuses added to their suit.
These bonuses purposed are nothing but exact replica's of the bonuses offered to us in Chromosome for the Uprising Launch. And have never made the suit competitive.
That being said the reload bonus that the Caldari Assault's did enjoy through the beginnings of Uprising was extremely strong, and would give them near instant reload with their main weapons paired with Reload skill speed to 5 of the weapon being used.
So much so that CCP had to remove the bonus from the suit, Lower the Skill Multiplier on Reload Weapon skills and reimburse the skill points from the multiplier changes.
The Reload bonus by first glance like in Chromosome theory crafting seems like a disadvantageous one but when everything is up it pretty much eliminates any need to switch weapons as reloading is a faster option. Allowing a lot of people to not even fit a sidearm. |
Nirwanda Vaughns
320
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Posted - 2014.02.09 16:53:00 -
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after usign a commando with lv5 skill and lv5 rapid reload then trust me. its extremely noticable and when you're in the middle of a firefight you're going to have a very good advantage over others. when a gun can do 400dps (given accuracy, resists, skills ect) and you can relaod a second faster than the guy opposite you then that can be the deal breaker.
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