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KING CHECKMATE wrote:

General12912 wrote:

KING CHECKMATE wrote:

Galvan Nized wrote:

Let's wait until they post the updated bonuses based on feedback, one thing I think we all agreed on was that the Amarr Scout bonus was lacking.

What bonuses would you like to see?

The 25% Cooldown bonus to Cloaks was a blessing.

Other options:

GÖª SCR PISTOL Damage increase 2% Per level (+10% at level 5)
GÖª +1 HP armor rep per level
GÖª 10% MAx stamina and Stamina recovery per level & 10% More Melee Damage per level
GÖª +1 SCR PISTOL clip size per level
GÖª 5% Heat Buildup reducion per level to Laser weaponry
GÖª +10% Jump height per level. Just because for Bunneh. Roll

These are just some i gathered from a previous thread on the matter. There ARE more, but basically, anything that Helps the Amarr scout survive or Attack, since the Amarr Scout is the More ''offensive oriented'' of them all.

false. the amarr anything should be more defensive oriented if anything. either way, stamina really doesnt fit the heavily armored, slow amarr.

its like givng a gallentean suit a shield bonus.

Dont you think the ''Defensive'' amarr wouldnt make a suit dedicated to ''quick'' attacks and flanking?

i think yes.

A race cannot depend on only ONE or TWO Strategies to win the war,same as caldari use Shield tanking,Long ranged weapons AND E-war, Amarr must use something other than laser weaponry and tanked suits.

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Iskandar Zul Karnain Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 2570	Posted - 2014.02.08 20:42:00 - [31] - Quote +1 for cloak cooldown ...but 2% pistol damage would be sexy too. Jihad Jeep Proficiency V Red Line Sniper Proficiency III
KING CHECKMATE Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 4491	Posted - 2014.02.08 23:06:00 - [32] - Quote The main Post has been Edited and now bumped. To the Newbie that called be a scrub & said that Stamina was the lifeblood of a speed tanker: GÖª The Amarr scout seems to be the WORST to be a speed tanker,since by default is the slowest one. GÖª a Speed tanker is not necessarily a SCOUT.Matari and Caldari assaults can Speed tank too for example. GÖª Not all scouts are Speed tankers GÖª There are several types of scouts: Flanker light assault Speed tanker E-war specialist Infiltration specialist Please, think twice before posting something as stupid as that.... Support Amarr scout bonus change! : https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1813029#post1813029
Kaius Coriolanus Gothic Wars Consortium 10	Posted - 2014.02.09 02:36:00 - [33] - Quote +1 for the petition, it does'nt hurt to support a good point
General12912 Gallente Marine Corps 52	Posted - 2014.02.09 03:09:00 - [34] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: Galvan Nized wrote: Let's wait until they post the updated bonuses based on feedback, one thing I think we all agreed on was that the Amarr Scout bonus was lacking. What bonuses would you like to see? The 25% Cooldown bonus to Cloaks was a blessing. Other options: GÖª SCR PISTOL Damage increase 2% Per level (+10% at level 5) GÖª +1 HP armor rep per level GÖª 10% MAx stamina and Stamina recovery per level & 10% More Melee Damage per level GÖª +1 SCR PISTOL clip size per level GÖª 5% Heat Buildup reducion per level to Laser weaponry GÖª +10% Jump height per level. Just because for Bunneh. These are just some i gathered from a previous thread on the matter. There ARE more, but basically, anything that Helps the Amarr scout survive or Attack, since the Amarr Scout is the More ''offensive oriented'' of them all. false. the amarr anything should be more defensive oriented if anything. either way, stamina really doesnt fit the heavily armored, slow amarr. its like givng a gallentean suit a shield bonus.
Subject 36 The New Age Outlaws WINMATAR. 79	Posted - 2014.02.09 05:05:00 - [35] - Quote Put my name in there. The bonus sucks ..... a lot. Minmatar Freedom Fighter
KING CHECKMATE Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 4541	Posted - 2014.02.09 05:23:00 - [36] - Quote General12912 wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: Galvan Nized wrote: Let's wait until they post the updated bonuses based on feedback, one thing I think we all agreed on was that the Amarr Scout bonus was lacking. What bonuses would you like to see? The 25% Cooldown bonus to Cloaks was a blessing. Other options: GÖª SCR PISTOL Damage increase 2% Per level (+10% at level 5) GÖª +1 HP armor rep per level GÖª 10% MAx stamina and Stamina recovery per level & 10% More Melee Damage per level GÖª +1 SCR PISTOL clip size per level GÖª 5% Heat Buildup reducion per level to Laser weaponry GÖª +10% Jump height per level. Just because for Bunneh. These are just some i gathered from a previous thread on the matter. There ARE more, but basically, anything that Helps the Amarr scout survive or Attack, since the Amarr Scout is the More ''offensive oriented'' of them all. false. the amarr anything should be more defensive oriented if anything. either way, stamina really doesnt fit the heavily armored, slow amarr. its like givng a gallentean suit a shield bonus. Dont you think the ''Defensive'' amarr wouldnt make a suit dedicated to ''quick'' attacks and flanking? i think yes. A race cannot depend on only ONE or TWO Strategies to win the war,same as caldari use Shield tanking,Long ranged weapons AND E-war, Amarr must use something other than laser weaponry and tanked suits. Support Amarr scout bonus change! : https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1813029#post1813029
Awry Barux Paladin Survey Force Amarr Empire 467	Posted - 2014.02.09 05:54:00 - [37] - Quote Signed. A scan profile reduction for uplinks would really be the bee's knees. The fact that logi equipment bonuses affect deployed equipment and the fact that uplinks show up on scanners lead me to believe that it is possible to implement this, from a technical standpoint.
Nocturnal Soul Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 1915	Posted - 2014.02.09 05:58:00 - [38] - Quote Signed, on a list of crappy bonuses it comes in a close 2nd (like ass to ass) 1st being the caldari bonus. Charlotte O'Dell is a liar, that's only a piece of corn & I'm the one and only majestic unicorn.
Zeylon Rho Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 3405	Posted - 2014.02.09 07:45:00 - [39] - Quote I still think we need a base speed adjustment of all the suits so that the Amarr scout is, at the very least, noticeably faster than the fastest Assault. Because scouts are such a speed dependent role of course... I'd agree with the bonus needing to be changed though. Some additional ideas: Semi-auto scrambler range (rifle, or tactical pistol and rifle), possibly with a corresponding RoF/heat hit: ---The idea being that it makes the scout a scout-sniper with laser weaponry, but possibly with a drawback to force a more snipe-type function with the weapons. Current Stamina + Kincat Effectiveness: ---Give the slowest scout the means to move faster in sprint than any other scout, while still staying the slowest in move. It limits the Sprint dominance to when using Kincats in this scenario. Alternatively, + Scrambler Clip-size, etc. paired with Kincat Effectivness or a Sprint-speed bonus alone would be good. It gives the scout a way to compensate for the slow movement speed which is still effectively limited by stamina. In the case of a Kincat bonus only, it's also slot-limited. Dren and Templar equipment stats, wrong since release.
Zeylon Rho Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 3405	Posted - 2014.02.09 08:00:00 - [40] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: General12912 wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: Galvan Nized wrote: Let's wait until they post the updated bonuses based on feedback, one thing I think we all agreed on was that the Amarr Scout bonus was lacking. What bonuses would you like to see? The 25% Cooldown bonus to Cloaks was a blessing. Other options: GÖª SCR PISTOL Damage increase 2% Per level (+10% at level 5) GÖª +1 HP armor rep per level GÖª 10% MAx stamina and Stamina recovery per level & 10% More Melee Damage per level GÖª +1 SCR PISTOL clip size per level GÖª 5% Heat Buildup reducion per level to Laser weaponry GÖª +10% Jump height per level. Just because for Bunneh. These are just some i gathered from a previous thread on the matter. There ARE more, but basically, anything that Helps the Amarr scout survive or Attack, since the Amarr Scout is the More ''offensive oriented'' of them all. false. the amarr anything should be more defensive oriented if anything. either way, stamina really doesnt fit the heavily armored, slow amarr. its like givng a gallentean suit a shield bonus. Dont you think the ''Defensive'' amarr wouldnt make a suit dedicated to ''quick'' attacks and flanking? i think yes. A race cannot depend on only ONE or TWO Strategies to win the war,same as caldari use Shield tanking,Long ranged weapons AND E-war, Amarr must use something other than laser weaponry and tanked suits. Exactly right. People over-think the racial paradigms business. The Amarr make some of the fastest ships in EVE... when the goal is to make the fastest ships. They do not try to make everything slow and tanky regardless of role, because that would just be stupid. With the fast ships in EVE for example, the Amarr interceptor Crusader is faster than all of the Caldari and Gallente Interceptors, and only beaten by one of the Minmatar ships, the other Amarr interceptor is ALSO faster than every Caldari and Gallente Interceptor, and only matched and beaten by the Minmatar ships: Amarr Crusader -455 m/s Amarr Malediction -435 m/s Caldari Crow -430 m/s Caldari Raptor -420 m/s Gallente Taranis -420 m/s Gallente Ares -425 m/s Minmatar Stiletto -435 m/s Minmatar Claw -475 m/s In the speed race there (at base anyway), Amarr has 2nd place, and a tie for 3rd. The Amarr are inflexible about religion perhaps, but their combat strategies show that when agility is demanded - they can handle it. Dren and Templar equipment stats, wrong since release.

X7 lion Swamp Tempo Canis Eliminatus Operatives 109	Posted - 2014.02.09 10:10:00 - [41] - Quote Fizzer94 wrote: X7 lion wrote: what kinda scout noob are you, stamina is the life blood of any speed tanker. The Amarr aren't speed tankers... quite the opposite really. it lets us do our scout jumps and such, any one who would not take that bonus is stupid. I am death incarnate, you will not see me or hear me. You shall only feel the strike of my blade.
Vell0cet SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 912	Posted - 2014.02.09 15:49:00 - [42] - Quote Signed. I prefer the old cloak bonus personally. Cloaks will be the primary means of defense, having less downtime between uses is both reasonable, and fits nicely with the lore. Best PvE idea ever!
Faquira Bleuetta Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 220	Posted - 2014.02.09 21:58:00 - [43] - Quote the Amarr scout should be a jack off all trade scout: 4 % bonus to scan precision per level , 3 % bonus to scan radius per level , 3 % bonus to scan profile per level ,,,,movement speed: 5.35 instead of 5.25 sprint: 7.53 instead of 7.37 Fatal Absolution bench proficiency lvl 5 why so serious zatara
KING CHECKMATE Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 4569	Posted - 2014.02.09 22:14:00 - [44] - Quote edited and signatures added. pls keep supporting and adding ideas XD Support Amarr scout bonus change! : https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1813029#post1813029
Faquira Bleuetta Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 220	Posted - 2014.02.09 22:17:00 - [45] - Quote signed Fatal Absolution bench proficiency lvl 5 why so serious zatara
KING CHECKMATE Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 4569	Posted - 2014.02.09 22:24:00 - [46] - Quote Faquira Bleuetta wrote: the Amarr scout should be a jack off all trade scout: 4 % bonus to scan precision per level , 3 % bonus to scan radius per level , 3 % bonus to scan profile per level ,,,,movement speed: 5.95 instead of 5.25 sprint: 7.54 instead of 7.37 my bonus is useful 100 % of the time. The problem is Faquira: That CCP does not use so many small bonuses for a dropsuit type. They could implement it while giving the Suit netural advantages like, 1HP rep pr sec,30 db instead of 35, 40 scan precision instead of default 45,etc... But im guessing ti would be too good of an advantage and users of all other races would whine/use the amarr suit.... :\| Support Amarr scout bonus change! : https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1813029#post1813029
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 6814	Posted - 2014.02.09 22:25:00 - [47] - Quote Aero and I were some of the very first to ***** about this. Sign us on....and Eirik Yassavi...he wont care but he owes me one. "Just know that though our enemies may only #YOLO, through God's grace we can #YOLF at his side." - Disciple of Kesha
KING CHECKMATE Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 4569	Posted - 2014.02.09 22:31:00 - [48] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Aero and I were some of the very first to ***** about this. Sign us on....and Eirik Yassavi...he wont care but he owes me one. Wil ldo , TY :3 Support Amarr scout bonus change! : https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1813029#post1813029
Eniram Resh Short Stop Exports 9	Posted - 2014.02.10 07:27:00 - [49] - Quote Signed
MINA Longstrike 2Shitz 1Giggle 278	Posted - 2014.02.10 08:00:00 - [50] - Quote The stamina bonus isn't that bad... It stacks with modules - a proto amarr scout with a cplx cardiac reg will be able to sprint outright for upwards of 60 seconds. This also applies to bunny hopping and the like too. Honestly I don't think it's so bad when you factor in how strong the modules are and that they'll stack directly with this at no penalty. That said I'd be behind a +1scp clip size per level.

Yan Darn DUST University Ivy League 180	Posted - 2014.02.10 08:15:00 - [51] - Quote Signed I guess...since I've not seen anything to suggest they are reconsidering, which is surprising actually. Stamina is not bad...(and Amarr ships tend to have bigger capacitors in EVE) and helps compensate for the lack of speed, but right now Amarr doesn't gain enough to suggest it has a particular role, and not generally robust enough to make a general purpose scout (I think Gal and Cal will make better light assaults). You probably don't know me. But next time you get gunned down or exploded by a Valor scout...check the name.
Dagon Greyjoy GRIM MARCH D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 5	Posted - 2014.02.10 21:49:00 - [52] - Quote Signed. Let's get them looking at other things now, so this doesn't get pushed off past the patch, and then added to the eternal list of things to be addressed "Soon", ir not forgotten.
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p TRA1LBLAZERS 500	Posted - 2014.02.10 22:40:00 - [53] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: GÖª Current Stamina Bonus + Uplinks dropped by an Amarr scout become undetectable by A.Scanners (Lv.1 avoids STD Scanners. At level 3 they avoid ADV Scanners.At level 5 they avoid Proto Scanners) What I've been saying since the beginning. +1, i think this is the best/most balanced bonus out of all of them Kills- Archduke Ferdinand Balance!
ACE OF JOKERS AMARR IMPERIAL CRUSADERS 259	Posted - 2014.02.10 22:44:00 - [54] - Quote This post will be soon edited, ty for your patience. MAG [ + ] AIMBOT AceOfJokers666
Nekrokult Valor Coalition 29	Posted - 2014.02.16 06:09:00 - [55] - Quote Signed.
Nestil Seraphim Auxiliaries 121	Posted - 2014.02.16 10:51:00 - [56] - Quote yeah the bonus is **** and ccp should change that to any skill affecting the cloak (since amarr scout are slow as fuk they're probably not going to be op with cloaks but i'll help them getting to objectives or close distance without getting rail-toasted or sniped...) SIGNED!
KING CHECKMATE Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 4670	Posted - 2014.02.16 21:22:00 - [57] - Quote Thanks for the support.The Main post is Edited, now to find who in CCP will listen....... Support Amarr scout bonus change! : https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1813029#post1813029
AmlSeb Tech Guard RISE of LEGION 37	Posted - 2014.02.16 21:28:00 - [58] - Quote Another alternative would be +5% Armor Plate efficiency and -5% speed reduction by armor plates.
Faquira Bleuetta Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 269	Posted - 2014.03.12 21:59:00 - [59] - Quote bump (n+ëGèÖGÇ+GèÖ)n+ën+PpÇÄG£º~TEARS~G£ºpÇÅ 1.8 Laser rifle buff faq will be back to melt all ur sorry ass the good ol chromosomes days.
Mordecai Sanguine What The French 534	Posted - 2014.03.12 22:14:00 - [60] - Quote Signed. (Edit please.) Oh and....why every scout class have bonus that is a complex module and an Enhanced ? While us have less than a militia ?



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