DUST Search - The Remote Explosive problem...

Reiki Jubo wrote:

Galvan Nized wrote:

Reiki Jubo wrote:

Galvan Nized wrote:

You have to be skilled to use a RE effectively, it's not just dump and blow. It relies so much on how aggressive your opponent is, way more skill than using a gun.

Stop barreling into obvious places that are well defended. If they are able to drop a remote and get you, STOP STANDING STILL!

You can be revived after you are downed, it's the same for REs...You are only in a downed state. Double tap and kill the opponent, he won't be able to blow the remote.

no, no, no...lets not pretend placing REs is some elite chessgame that requires a PHD in strategy. Its just the latest craze with high dmg weapons with splash after the MD, flaylock and forgegun....and CCP needs to fix the after death detonation, its not operating as intended.

u lure guys into chasing u and verify they are in the killzone with passive or active scans. then BOOM. its not rocket science. I agree with the other poster about damage. u could make the argument that the prox mines that are counters to HAVs should do much more damage than an explosive that cant even breach walls.

So you think luring people in requires no skill, but apparently using your OP Rifles is totally skill? AA has turned gungame into a total joke, it's close eyes and spray back and forth..LOTS of skill required for that.

I don't get if you know how it works, why not run a dampened suit? Or better yet think before you just barrel into a spot. You want to beat all REs, use a flux and take corners wide. It's an easy counter.

never said it was zero skill or claimed ARs were superior. But being able to see their profile on ur minimap with a OHK weapon with a large splash area doesnt make u Napoleon either.

Needs lower dmg/less splash like the other weapons I mentioned.

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Zeke Dunevent sNk Syndicate 0	Posted - 2014.02.08 01:29:00 - [1] - Quote More and more often I am joining games where I can not even play because of the amount of people running remote explosives. I just finished a match where the top six guys on the other team didn't even shoot just threw remote explosives at you and set them off. The worst part about it is, YOU CAN STILL BLOW THEM UP EVEN AFTER YOU ARE DEAD!!! So long as you detonate before picking where to spawn back in. I know for a fact that this particular issue needs to be fixed, but further more, I would like it if I could actually be a heavy again instead of someone always running up behind me with remote explosives, or a scout flat rushing me and getting within throwing distance for them before I can kill them with and then set the explosives off after they are dead. Dust is my favorite fps and has been since launch, its shown constant improvement with each update and just like the old Flaylock nightmare that made me want to stop playing I have faith that CCP will fix this. Please patch remote explosives on 1.8. You don't even have to make them to where they do no damage just change it too where they only do 15% or 20% weapon efficiency against dropsuits to where you are not constantly one shot by people who can't really play the game, and just use the remote explosive to make it no fun for others.
emtbraincase RETR0 PR0 GAMERS INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 50	Posted - 2014.02.08 01:33:00 - [2] - Quote Die by RE....shame on them. Die by RE 2x....shame on you Die by RE 3+ times....put on flux nades and shoot them from a distance till they stop.
DustMercsBlog Galactic News Network 119	Posted - 2014.02.08 01:35:00 - [3] - Quote After death detonation needs to get fixed, but more importantly why do remotes do 1500 damage and Prox Mines 750?
Asha Starwind VEXALATION CORPORATION Partners of Industrial Service and Salvage 294	Posted - 2014.02.08 02:38:00 - [4] - Quote As an RE user, I was wondering when these buttmad threads would show up. DustMercsBlog wrote: After death detonation needs to get fixed, but more importantly why do remotes do 1500 damage and Prox Mines 750? because Prox Mines are garbage. 32db Mad Bomber.
SOGZ PANDA 0uter.Heaven Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 38	Posted - 2014.02.08 02:50:00 - [5] - Quote 1 thing I will add to this is When you 'die' you don't actually die You go into a sort of 'stasis' mode where your clone is in process of genolution or termination As soon as you press 'circle' to kill off your clone......then it dies. This explains the ability for people to revive your clone after you've been shot at The ability to activate remote explosives and throw grenades etc is like a form of 'last stand' So therefore imo it isn't a broken feature. Whilst obnoxious it isn't exactly farfetched Whatever Brianna Beach says about me.............It's not true
Aeon Amadi Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 4816	Posted - 2014.02.08 02:53:00 - [6] - Quote SOGZ PANDA wrote: 1 thing I will add to this is When you 'die' you don't actually die You go into a sort of 'stasis' mode where your clone is in process of genolution or termination As soon as you press 'circle' to kill off your clone......then it dies. This explains the ability for people to revive your clone after you've been shot at The ability to activate remote explosives and throw grenades etc is like a form of 'last stand' So therefore imo it isn't a broken feature. Whilst obnoxious it isn't exactly farfetched I remember a time when you could fire your weapon after you were downed. They took that away for some bizarre, immersion killing reason xD Useful Links //forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=133588 //forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=134182
Galvan Nized Deep Space Republic 628	Posted - 2014.02.08 03:01:00 - [7] - Quote You have to be skilled to use a RE effectively, it's not just dump and blow. It relies so much on how aggressive your opponent is, way more skill than using a gun. Stop barreling into obvious places that are well defended. If they are able to drop a remote and get you, STOP STANDING STILL! You can be revived after you are downed, it's the same for REs...You are only in a downed state. Double tap and kill the opponent, he won't be able to blow the remote.
One Eyed King Eyniletti Rangers Minmatar Republic 300	Posted - 2014.02.08 03:26:00 - [8] - Quote As an RE user, I would suggest you make sure the corpse is no longer bleeding out. They can be revived, they can blow an RE. Make sure they are in a state they can't be revived. Also, I enjoy doing this. It makes me giggle. Looking for the scout hangout? CCP banished it to the locker room
X7 lion Swamp Tempo Canis Eliminatus Operatives 104	Posted - 2014.02.08 11:14:00 - [9] - Quote aside from the bugs there working as intended. DustMercsBlog wrote: After death detonation needs to get fixed, but more importantly why do remotes do 1500 damage and Prox Mines 750? its a case of auto damage its unreasonable to have a automatic denonation device doing to much damage I am death incarnate, you will not see me or hear me. You shall only feel the strike of my blade.
Slim Winning BIG BAD W0LVES 33	Posted - 2014.02.08 11:37:00 - [10] - Quote I read on here somewhere that CCP said you can't detonate an RE in death. That's simply not true. I've detonated and killed people 3-4 seconds after I died. And RSs are actually quite broken in terms of glitches as well, but what in this game isn't?

Reiki Jubo Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 365	Posted - 2014.02.08 12:41:00 - [11] - Quote Galvan Nized wrote: You have to be skilled to use a RE effectively, it's not just dump and blow. It relies so much on how aggressive your opponent is, way more skill than using a gun. Stop barreling into obvious places that are well defended. If they are able to drop a remote and get you, STOP STANDING STILL! You can be revived after you are downed, it's the same for REs...You are only in a downed state. Double tap and kill the opponent, he won't be able to blow the remote. no, no, no...lets not pretend placing REs is some elite chessgame that requires a PHD in strategy. Its just the latest craze with high dmg weapons with splash after the MD, flaylock and forgegun....and CCP needs to fix the after death detonation, its not operating as intended. u lure guys into chasing u and verify they are in the killzone with passive or active scans. then BOOM. its not rocket science. I agree with the other poster about damage. u could make the argument that the prox mines that are counters to HAVs should do much more damage than an explosive that cant even breach walls.
Tolen Rosas Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 343	Posted - 2014.02.08 12:46:00 - [12] - Quote Reiki Jubo wrote: Galvan Nized wrote: You have to be skilled to use a RE effectively, it's not just dump and blow. It relies so much on how aggressive your opponent is, way more skill than using a gun. Stop barreling into obvious places that are well defended. If they are able to drop a remote and get you, STOP STANDING STILL! You can be revived after you are downed, it's the same for REs...You are only in a downed state. Double tap and kill the opponent, he won't be able to blow the remote. no, no, no...lets not pretend placing REs is some elite chessgame that requires a PHD in strategy. Its just the latest craze with high dmg weapons with splash after the MD, flaylock and forgegun....and CCP needs to fix the after death detonation, its not operating as intended. u lure guys into chasing u and verify they are in the killzone with passive or active scans. then BOOM. its not rocket science. I agree with the other poster about damage. u could make the argument that the prox mines that are counters to HAVs should do much more damage than an explosive that cant even breach walls. +1 the effective range should be tight and focused 2-3m and the splash should be wounding dmg.
Galvan Nized Deep Space Republic 630	Posted - 2014.02.08 12:54:00 - [13] - Quote Reiki Jubo wrote: Galvan Nized wrote: You have to be skilled to use a RE effectively, it's not just dump and blow. It relies so much on how aggressive your opponent is, way more skill than using a gun. Stop barreling into obvious places that are well defended. If they are able to drop a remote and get you, STOP STANDING STILL! You can be revived after you are downed, it's the same for REs...You are only in a downed state. Double tap and kill the opponent, he won't be able to blow the remote. no, no, no...lets not pretend placing REs is some elite chessgame that requires a PHD in strategy. Its just the latest craze with high dmg weapons with splash after the MD, flaylock and forgegun....and CCP needs to fix the after death detonation, its not operating as intended. u lure guys into chasing u and verify they are in the killzone with passive or active scans. then BOOM. its not rocket science. I agree with the other poster about damage. u could make the argument that the prox mines that are counters to HAVs should do much more damage than an explosive that cant even breach walls. So you think luring people in requires no skill, but apparently using your OP Rifles is totally skill? AA has turned gungame into a total joke, it's close eyes and spray back and forth..LOTS of skill required for that. I don't get if you know how it works, why not run a dampened suit? Or better yet think before you just barrel into a spot. You want to beat all REs, use a flux and take corners wide. It's an easy counter.
Tyjus Vacca Valor Coalition 173	Posted - 2014.02.08 13:18:00 - [14] - Quote Galvan Nized wrote: Reiki Jubo wrote: Galvan Nized wrote: You have to be skilled to use a RE effectively, it's not just dump and blow. It relies so much on how aggressive your opponent is, way more skill than using a gun. Stop barreling into obvious places that are well defended. If they are able to drop a remote and get you, STOP STANDING STILL! You can be revived after you are downed, it's the same for REs...You are only in a downed state. Double tap and kill the opponent, he won't be able to blow the remote. no, no, no...lets not pretend placing REs is some elite chessgame that requires a PHD in strategy. Its just the latest craze with high dmg weapons with splash after the MD, flaylock and forgegun....and CCP needs to fix the after death detonation, its not operating as intended. u lure guys into chasing u and verify they are in the killzone with passive or active scans. then BOOM. its not rocket science. I agree with the other poster about damage. u could make the argument that the prox mines that are counters to HAVs should do much more damage than an explosive that cant even breach walls. So you think luring people in requires no skill, but apparently using your OP Rifles is totally skill? AA has turned gungame into a total joke, it's close eyes and spray back and forth..LOTS of skill required for that. I don't get if you know how it works, why not run a dampened suit? Or better yet think before you just barrel into a spot. You want to beat all REs, use a flux and take corners wide. It's an easy counter. The splash should be wounding damage like mentioned above.
Sgt Buttscratch 1473	Posted - 2014.02.08 13:18:00 - [15] - Quote There is no remote explosives problem, just a lot of gung players who don't pay attention. As for detonating when incapacitated..... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQe2f8L-Rkc I stick my weiner in two buns and and then give it the gas Sour cream from my spleen into Levi jeans
Reiki Jubo Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 365	Posted - 2014.02.08 13:21:00 - [16] - Quote Galvan Nized wrote: Reiki Jubo wrote: Galvan Nized wrote: You have to be skilled to use a RE effectively, it's not just dump and blow. It relies so much on how aggressive your opponent is, way more skill than using a gun. Stop barreling into obvious places that are well defended. If they are able to drop a remote and get you, STOP STANDING STILL! You can be revived after you are downed, it's the same for REs...You are only in a downed state. Double tap and kill the opponent, he won't be able to blow the remote. no, no, no...lets not pretend placing REs is some elite chessgame that requires a PHD in strategy. Its just the latest craze with high dmg weapons with splash after the MD, flaylock and forgegun....and CCP needs to fix the after death detonation, its not operating as intended. u lure guys into chasing u and verify they are in the killzone with passive or active scans. then BOOM. its not rocket science. I agree with the other poster about damage. u could make the argument that the prox mines that are counters to HAVs should do much more damage than an explosive that cant even breach walls. So you think luring people in requires no skill, but apparently using your OP Rifles is totally skill? AA has turned gungame into a total joke, it's close eyes and spray back and forth..LOTS of skill required for that. I don't get if you know how it works, why not run a dampened suit? Or better yet think before you just barrel into a spot. You want to beat all REs, use a flux and take corners wide. It's an easy counter. never said it was zero skill or claimed ARs were superior. But being able to see their profile on ur minimap with a OHK weapon with a large splash area doesnt make u Napoleon either. Needs lower dmg/less splash like the other weapons I mentioned.
VALCORE72 NECROM0NGERS The CORVOS 44	Posted - 2014.02.08 13:27:00 - [17] - Quote SOGZ PANDA wrote: 1 thing I will add to this is When you 'die' you don't actually die You go into a sort of 'stasis' mode where your clone is in process of genolution or termination As soon as you press 'circle' to kill off your clone......then it dies. This explains the ability for people to revive your clone after you've been shot at The ability to activate remote explosives and throw grenades etc is like a form of 'last stand' So therefore imo it isn't a broken feature. Whilst obnoxious it isn't exactly farfetched lol this will be fix 'watch lol ' and needs to be also re range need a slight SLIGHT reduction
Galvan Nized Deep Space Republic 631	Posted - 2014.02.08 13:33:00 - [18] - Quote Reiki Jubo wrote: Galvan Nized wrote: Reiki Jubo wrote: Galvan Nized wrote: You have to be skilled to use a RE effectively, it's not just dump and blow. It relies so much on how aggressive your opponent is, way more skill than using a gun. Stop barreling into obvious places that are well defended. If they are able to drop a remote and get you, STOP STANDING STILL! You can be revived after you are downed, it's the same for REs...You are only in a downed state. Double tap and kill the opponent, he won't be able to blow the remote. no, no, no...lets not pretend placing REs is some elite chessgame that requires a PHD in strategy. Its just the latest craze with high dmg weapons with splash after the MD, flaylock and forgegun....and CCP needs to fix the after death detonation, its not operating as intended. u lure guys into chasing u and verify they are in the killzone with passive or active scans. then BOOM. its not rocket science. I agree with the other poster about damage. u could make the argument that the prox mines that are counters to HAVs should do much more damage than an explosive that cant even breach walls. So you think luring people in requires no skill, but apparently using your OP Rifles is totally skill? AA has turned gungame into a total joke, it's close eyes and spray back and forth..LOTS of skill required for that. I don't get if you know how it works, why not run a dampened suit? Or better yet think before you just barrel into a spot. You want to beat all REs, use a flux and take corners wide. It's an easy counter. never said it was zero skill or claimed ARs were superior. But being able to see their profile on ur minimap with a OHK weapon with a large splash area doesnt make u Napoleon either. Needs lower dmg/less splash like the other weapons I mentioned. It has less splash range than a Core locust. You know they invested points to see you on the minimap right? In the case of passives, they invested LOTS of points AND are using mod slots (usually). Invest in dampening, it doesn't take Alexander the Great to figure out how to use a counter. Please don't balance around Proxies, you and I both know Proxies are insanely UP.
Prius Vecht Red and Silver Hand Amarr Empire 290	Posted - 2014.02.08 14:16:00 - [19] - Quote Galvan Nized wrote: It has less splash range than a Core locust. Please don't balance around Proxies, you and I both know Proxies are insanely UP. Shouldn't it? A grenade is designed for splash/area damage while the remote is (speculating here) flexible but designed to deliver a focused blast. They shouldn't have nearly the splash they do and Reiki pointed out all the issues this game has had with splash that is poorly designed. If not? Then isnt the RE just a sticky grenade with triple the power u cant throw as far? Don't we want different functions rather than overlapping features that make other equipment obsolete? (think CR/RR compared to AR) Proxies another matter altogether. Not a dev but i'd lose the silly beeping and go 1000, 1200 and 1400 dmg per with more deployed as you go up in tier. REs being focused and not designed as anti-tank have to be less than that...600, 800, 1000 with 1m of direct range, with the same rules as above. IMO the splash should be another 2m and be 150, 200 and 250. Again...only my opinion.
Hecarim Van Hohen Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 394	Posted - 2014.02.08 14:46:00 - [20] - Quote Detonation after death should be fixed, it is known RE's can be tossed way too far (imo) otherwise the RE's are fine, going to hack a point, flux it, scout went behind a corner, flux it etc. (proxies are garbage though) I will show you fear in a handful of dust. 1.7 best match (HMG): 40/9/9 (K/A/D)

Galvan Nized Deep Space Republic 636	Posted - 2014.02.08 15:32:00 - [21] - Quote Prius Vecht wrote: Galvan Nized wrote: It has less splash range than a Core locust. Please don't balance around Proxies, you and I both know Proxies are insanely UP. Shouldn't it? A grenade is designed for splash/area damage while the remote is (speculating here) flexible but designed to deliver a focused blast. They shouldn't have nearly the splash they do and Reiki pointed out all the issues this game has had with splash that is poorly designed. If not? Then isnt the RE just a sticky grenade with triple the power u cant throw as far? Don't we want different functions rather than overlapping features that make other equipment obsolete? (think CR/RR compared to AR) Proxies another matter altogether. Not a dev but i'd lose the silly beeping and go 1000, 1200 and 1400 dmg per with more deployed as you go up in tier. REs being focused and not designed as anti-tank have to be less than that...600, 800, 1000 with 1m of direct range, with the same rules as above. IMO the splash should be another 2m and be 150, 200 and 250. Again...only my opinion. A remote explosive isn't designed for splash? REs are NOT sticky grenades, they function completely differently. You know you have to actively blow them right? Proximity Mines are set and forget, they obviously were rewarding ACTIVE use over inactive use. What equipment does REs make obsolete? How do you defend points as a scout? REs are EXTREMELY situational and they are so easily countered. Your changes sound like they were intended for a claymore, REs are NOT claymores.
TunRa D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 458	Posted - 2014.02.08 16:53:00 - [22] - Quote I always shoot the enemy after I down them. Make sure they are not getting back up. Thanks CCP Foxfour
xAckie Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 413	Posted - 2014.02.08 18:39:00 - [23] - Quote remotes shouldnt be replenished by nanohives (grenades shouldnt be able to either). This would cut out the spam.
Lightning Bolt2 Binary Mercs 373	Posted - 2014.02.08 19:33:00 - [24] - Quote weel scarchasticly yaaaay. welp, after this nerf every weapon in my scout arsenal will be nerfed!!! Favorite gear: Duct-tape and Butter knives
General12912 Gallente Marine Corps 52	Posted - 2014.02.08 20:08:00 - [25] - Quote Reiki Jubo wrote: Galvan Nized wrote: You have to be skilled to use a RE effectively, it's not just dump and blow. It relies so much on how aggressive your opponent is, way more skill than using a gun. Stop barreling into obvious places that are well defended. If they are able to drop a remote and get you, STOP STANDING STILL! You can be revived after you are downed, it's the same for REs...You are only in a downed state. Double tap and kill the opponent, he won't be able to blow the remote. no, no, no...lets not pretend placing REs is some elite chessgame that requires a PHD in strategy. Its just the latest craze with high dmg weapons with splash after the MD, flaylock and forgegun....and CCP needs to fix the after death detonation, its not operating as intended. u lure guys into chasing u and verify they are in the killzone with passive or active scans. then BOOM. its not rocket science. I agree with the other poster about damage. u could make the argument that the prox mines that are counters to HAVs should do much more damage than an explosive that cant even breach walls. wow,you are hating on them for actually being used the way they are supposed to be. aside from the active/passive scanners. i just use physical sight. instead of whining about it, how about you pay more attention. you realise there is a smal throwing sound followed by a beep once one deploys an explosive, right? if there is a bug though where you can detonate one while incapacitated, then that shouldnt happen though. however, once you respawn, you should regain the ability to detonate them. perhaps the bug is caused by lag?
DustMercsBlog Galactic News Network 121	Posted - 2014.02.08 20:55:00 - [26] - Quote Dont believe they should do 1500 dmg either (Prox Mines should do more) and also support less splash that only wounds. Currently they're replacing grenades as the games deadliest thrown weapon which can't happen. The throwing distance should be 1m.
maka rax Space Road Truckers. 10	Posted - 2014.02.08 22:10:00 - [27] - Quote Zeke Dunevent wrote: More and more often I am joining games where I can not even play because of the amount of people running remote explosives. I just finished a match where the top six guys on the other team didn't even shoot just threw remote explosives at you and set them off. The worst part about it is, YOU CAN STILL BLOW THEM UP EVEN AFTER YOU ARE DEAD!!! So long as you detonate before picking where to spawn back in. I know for a fact that this particular issue needs to be fixed, but further more, I would like it if I could actually be a heavy again instead of someone always running up behind me with remote explosives, or a scout flat rushing me and getting within throwing distance for them before I can kill them with and then set the explosives off after they are dead. Dust is my favorite fps and has been since launch, its shown constant improvement with each update and just like the old Flaylock nightmare that made me want to stop playing I have faith that CCP will fix this. Please patch remote explosives on 1.8. You don't even have to make them to where they do no damage just change it too where they only do 15% or 20% weapon efficiency against dropsuits to where you are not constantly one shot by people who can't really play the game, and just use the remote explosive to make it no fun for others. I suppose you're looking for a way to make it so it's harder for a scout to kill a heavy. Well, if you want to take away the best way for a scout to solo a heavy then you need to propose an alternative method for solo scout vs heavy battles. Maybe take away the HMG because it's no fun getting killed in .2 sec? Better? (no) And why can't you explode the RE after you respawn? If all equipment stays in the game after respawn so should a RE. If you can't use an RE after respawn, then all equipment (links/hives) should go offline after respawn. May as well be fair about it.
Squagga The State Protectorate 184	Posted - 2014.02.08 22:23:00 - [28] - Quote You could look around .. before you run around .. Reloading, the silent killer.
TheD1CK Dead Man's Game 641	Posted - 2014.02.08 22:37:00 - [29] - Quote If you don't like deaths by RE you need to look where you are going... Do you really expect a scout with 1/4 your HP to fight you 1v1???? And RE's cannot be detonated while dead, only while bleeding out So if you wan't to avoid that, go for headshots or shoot the body after you down them Minmatar Demolitions Specialist Plasma Cannon Pro
Prius Vecht Red and Silver Hand Amarr Empire 298	Posted - 2014.02.08 22:50:00 - [30] - Quote TheD1CK wrote: If you don't like deaths by RE you need to look where you are going... Do you really expect a scout with 1/4 your HP to fight you 1v1???? And RE's cannot be detonated while dead, only while bleeding out So if you wan't to avoid that, go for headshots or shoot the body after you down them I'm sorry, but you lose credibility when you defend an obviously broken mechanic like detonating REs when incapacitated....what else should we be able to do when down? I want to stab myself with a nanite, that cool too? Don't answer that.



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