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the zarck LATINOS KILLERS CORP The CORVOS 152	Posted - 2014.02.05 19:40:00 - [1] - Quote I dont know if i am the only one notice this but the payment in isk for battle it's not enough... average isk for battle is between 200k to 300k . When a prototype dropsuites cost me around 150k each , and aleast you are the baddest ass in the game you get kill more then ones in the whole match so you are no getting any profit of this. I hope anybody else see this the way see it, we need a raise of ISK for battle. Director of Latinos Killers Corp [email protected]/ skype "th3zarck"
NK Scout Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State 264	Posted - 2014.02.05 19:41:00 - [2] - Quote the zarck wrote: I dont know if i am the only one notice this but the payment in isk for battle it's not enough... average isk for battle is between 200k to 300k . When a prototype dropsuites cost me around 150k each , and aleast you are the baddest ass in the game you get kill more then ones in the whole match so you are no getting any profit of this. I hope anybody else see this the way see it, we need a raise of ISK for battle. They nerfed it in 1.5 or 1.6 2 exiles assault rifles, Skinweave caldari frame, Staff recruiter mlt frame, Templar set Caldari Master Race
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 4450	Posted - 2014.02.05 19:43:00 - [3] - Quote So basically you want a higher ISK payout so that PRO suits are profitable in PUBs? Seems Legit. Want to know how to make a strike-through? [s[Example[/s] Now go my Forum Warriors. Use this new weapon for glory!
the zarck LATINOS KILLERS CORP The CORVOS 152	Posted - 2014.02.05 19:47:00 - [4] - Quote Atiim wrote: So basically you want a higher ISK payout so that PRO suits are profitable in PUBs? Seems Legit. Pro suits was just a example . My point is that isn't enough to compensate the losses in battle Director of Latinos Killers Corp [email protected]/ skype "th3zarck"
Appia Vibbia Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 949	Posted - 2014.02.05 19:47:00 - [5] - Quote We really don't need more ISK per match. I make a profit each time I play when I run proto, if you can't do the same you probably shouldn't be using the gear. If anything that is an argument to lower ISK payouts to keep people from running prototype gear 24/7 in pubs. Only problem with that is the ISK bloat from Planetary Conquest won't reduce those players from doing it. whistles innocently Appia Vibbia for CPM1 [email protected] (checked every Monday morning)
Dexter307 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar 845	Posted - 2014.02.05 19:47:00 - [6] - Quote AW HELLL NO
Billi Gene 462	Posted - 2014.02.05 19:49:00 - [7] - Quote At 200k payout, i'm losing isk for 4 deaths running adv gallogi. 2 deaths is a loss at that rate for ProGallogi. 7 deaths in std scout, is a loss @200k isk MLT is profit. CCP wants us to run MLT. Pedant, Ape, Troll. My Beard makes Alpha's sook :P
XEROO COOL Fatal Absolution Public Disorder. 517	Posted - 2014.02.05 19:51:00 - [8] - Quote the zarck wrote: I dont know if i am the only one notice this but the payment in isk for battle it's not enough... average isk for battle is between 200k to 300k . When a prototype dropsuites cost me around 150k each , and aleast you are the baddest ass in the game you get kill more then ones in the whole match so you are no getting any profit of this. I hope anybody else see this the way see it, we need a raise of ISK for battle. Stop being a tool and running proto in pub matches Everyone has a plan until you punch em in the face! (Gò»°Gûí°n+ëGò»n+¦ Gö+GöüGö+ Xeroo.Cool on Skype.
Ku Shala Onuoto Uakan Huogaatsu 815	Posted - 2014.02.05 19:51:00 - [9] - Quote This is what we need for isk payouts on top of the time played and the other contributing isk factors For what is right. For what is ours, Onuoto Uakan Huogaatsu Join us today! The States Necromancer For The State!
the zarck LATINOS KILLERS CORP The CORVOS 152	Posted - 2014.02.05 19:51:00 - [10] - Quote Billi Gene wrote: At 200k payout, i'm losing isk for 4 deaths running adv gallogi. 2 deaths is a loss at that rate for ProGallogi. 7 deaths in std scout, is a loss @200k isk MLT is profit. CCP wants us to run MLT. Ccp wants to sale more aurum because MLT means get urself kill many times... MLT vs PROTO no a chance Director of Latinos Killers Corp [email protected]/ skype "th3zarck"

BL4CKST4R WarRavens League of Infamy 1828	Posted - 2014.02.05 19:52:00 - [11] - Quote I don't think we need more money per match but I do think the prices of drop suits should be reduced just because it doesn't make sense to me that a tank costs less than a dropsuit. Armor and Shields are not the same!
NK Scout Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State 264	Posted - 2014.02.05 19:54:00 - [12] - Quote BL4CKST4R wrote: I don't think we need more money per match but I do think the prices of drop suits should be reduced just because it doesn't make sense to me that a tank costs less than a dropsuit. My pro logi fit with a adv weapon 900 isk equipment costs 96k, wtf..... 2 exiles assault rifles, Skinweave caldari frame, Staff recruiter mlt frame, Templar set Caldari Master Race
Galvan Nized Deep Space Republic 585	Posted - 2014.02.05 19:54:00 - [13] - Quote I would say no under normal circumstances, there is no need for a single match to contribute to you running Pro every single match. But with all the Isk bleeding from PC it just means all those Corps are able to run Pro all day every day...why not even to the playing field?
lee corwood Knights Of Ender 427	Posted - 2014.02.05 19:55:00 - [14] - Quote I run ADV logi and I still make a profit after 4 deaths. Requesting a profit because you decided to bring your shiniest, fanciest suit into a pub match. No. Stop pubstomping. Minmatar Logisis \| Heavy lover. Come get some badass Band-Aids from this chick
lee corwood Knights Of Ender 427	Posted - 2014.02.05 19:57:00 - [15] - Quote NK Scout wrote: BL4CKST4R wrote: I don't think we need more money per match but I do think the prices of drop suits should be reduced just because it doesn't make sense to me that a tank costs less than a dropsuit. My pro logi fit with a adv weapon 900 isk equipment costs 96k, wtf..... I'd be curious for tankers to chime in as I'm not a tanker. My proto logi suit is 200k. Minmatar Logisis \| Heavy lover. Come get some badass Band-Aids from this chick
the zarck LATINOS KILLERS CORP The CORVOS 152	Posted - 2014.02.05 19:58:00 - [16] - Quote XEROO COOL wrote: the zarck wrote: I dont know if i am the only one notice this but the payment in isk for battle it's not enough... average isk for battle is between 200k to 300k . When a prototype dropsuites cost me around 150k each , and aleast you are the baddest ass in the game you get kill more then ones in the whole match so you are no getting any profit of this. I hope anybody else see this the way see it, we need a raise of ISK for battle. Stop being a tool and running proto in pub matches Lol if you don't use proto in PUBs the only you get slammed. Director of Latinos Killers Corp [email protected]/ skype "th3zarck"
Aero Yassavi Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 6415	Posted - 2014.02.05 19:59:00 - [17] - Quote Maybe the payout is like that to discourage running proto in pubs? Just maybe? My advanced Commando fit I run 90% of the time in pubs costs 50k ISK a pop, so I can die 4 times and be fine, which seems good to me. Alternatively I could always run a 10k standard fit and have a death allowance of 20. Also nanite injectors are your friends. I wish more people would bring them to battle, but you rarely see them on anything other than an logi suit or the Starter - Medic suit. It is ok to run injectors on your Assaults guys! Heck, I run them on my Commando. ARC Commander CPM Info and Q&A - Status: Open
Minato Cas LATINOS KILLERS CORP The CORVOS 21	Posted - 2014.02.05 20:01:00 - [18] - Quote Is better to play with militia tanks than playing with your proto dropsuit, is really hard to kill, is cheaper, and the only way to beat someone with a tank, is another tank, if you go with your proto and everyone has a tank, is a ***** slaughter and a loss of isk .... How is possible that I invested like 11 mill of sp to a proto dropsuit and 8 mill of sp to kill vehicles with grenades, mines, swarm launchers (everything proto) and nothing seems to work, the motto of this uprising is " ambush of 12939217398721839 tanks, and if you dont have a good tank so ** yourself" ... is really annoying !!
broonfondle majikthies Dogs of War Gaming Zero-Day 804	Posted - 2014.02.05 20:01:00 - [19] - Quote I always seem to make a profit. "...where Bylothgar the Ill-postured was made King of the People With No Name But Decent Footwear"
BL4CKST4R WarRavens League of Infamy 1828	Posted - 2014.02.05 20:02:00 - [20] - Quote NK Scout wrote: BL4CKST4R wrote: I don't think we need more money per match but I do think the prices of drop suits should be reduced just because it doesn't make sense to me that a tank costs less than a dropsuit. My pro logi fit with a adv weapon 900 isk equipment costs 96k, wtf..... My scout suit costs 25k, my logi suits costs 180k if I am being a real logi, 126k if I am assault logi Armor and Shields are not the same!

NK Scout Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State 266	Posted - 2014.02.05 20:04:00 - [21] - Quote BL4CKST4R wrote: NK Scout wrote: BL4CKST4R wrote: I don't think we need more money per match but I do think the prices of drop suits should be reduced just because it doesn't make sense to me that a tank costs less than a dropsuit. My pro logi fit with a adv weapon 900 isk equipment costs 96k, wtf..... My scout suit costs 25k, my logi suits costs 180k if I am being a real logi, 126k if I am assault logi I dont use proto weapons much, its not worth it, now I will never use a proto weapon or proto suit ever agai 2 exiles assault rifles, Skinweave caldari frame, Staff recruiter mlt frame, Templar set Caldari Master Race
SOMBRA del MUERTE The Exemplars Top Men. 25	Posted - 2014.02.05 20:09:00 - [22] - Quote This mechanic should help to keep the playing field balanced for newer players, if it weren't for the lack of other battle / market options for the spacerich to flex their shiny stuff. Proto-suits should be unsustainable if you're only fighting public contracts. If you want to profit in public matches, you have to keep your losses below gains, narrowing your options to: - Run cheap/BPO stuff and: a) die a lot but who cares your still making profit; b) get really good and don't die ( making max profit ); c) some combination of a and b. - Run proto-suits and: a) don't die; b) run with a logi that can pick you up and hope you don't get terminated; c) do the rubberband dance in the MCC / redline. Hopefully a healthy market will solve the problem of ISK making opportunities, but you could already do that with an Eve character. 10M ISK is not a lot in the Eve scale. You could make enough to keep your merc in perma-proto. or you could get a few guys together and farm some game mechanic exploit and get spacerich
knight of 6 SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 1351	Posted - 2014.02.05 20:09:00 - [23] - Quote Proto suit aren't supposed to be profitable in pubs. Skrim matches do need a higher payout though(ambush payouts are fine imo) i die 3 times at most in an ambush match a 90k loss with adv suits. However in skrims it isn't uncommon for me to die 5 or more times and the payout is almost the same. Please excuse any gramatical/spelling errors i'm using my phone. "God favors the side with the best artillery" ~ Napoleon Ko6, scout. CLOSED BETA VET
The Robot Devil Molon Labe. Public Disorder. 1596	Posted - 2014.02.05 20:11:00 - [24] - Quote the zarck wrote: XEROO COOL wrote: the zarck wrote: I dont know if i am the only one notice this but the payment in isk for battle it's not enough... average isk for battle is between 200k to 300k . When a prototype dropsuites cost me around 150k each , and aleast you are the baddest ass in the game you get kill more then ones in the whole match so you are no getting any profit of this. I hope anybody else see this the way see it, we need a raise of ISK for battle. Stop being a tool and running proto in pub matches Lol if you don't use proto in PUBs the only you get slammed. Nope, I suck at this game, I don't have proto suits but still have no problem being competitive in advance or even Templar BPOs or in a dragonfly. Play to your strengths and don't engage people unless you think you have a chance. With well placed skills and a couple of good modules even a starter fit does well. I ran starter fits(pure starters) for 6 weeks straight and came away with a good bit of ISK and a better gun game. If you can't do it in an advanced suit then you can't do it. GÇ£No sympathy for the devil; keep that in mind. Buy the ticket, take the ride." Hunter S. Thompson
Joseph Ridgeson WarRavens League of Infamy 455	Posted - 2014.02.05 20:12:00 - [25] - Quote If I am not in my Tank, I run 'Raven' Basic C-1 Assault, advanced damage mods, advanced Rail Rifle, and the rest is basic. That only costs like 16 grand, 20 or so if it wasn't for the BPO. I kill plenty of people with that set up and don't die that often. My Tank costs 160-ish . I can afford to lose one a match and be ISK positive forever. Some matches I could lose two and still be positive. Pay out seems to be pretty static. 150 for not that impressive of a game, 200-280 for a good game, and you can hit into 360+ in a Domination for destroying a bunch of prototype suits or vehicles. Now, I'm just a hyperspace chicken on the internet but it seems to me that this 'CCP' person has designed the game around in not being able to constantly run prototype everything and be money positive.
NK Scout Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State 266	Posted - 2014.02.05 20:12:00 - [26] - Quote knight of 6 wrote: Proto suit aren't supposed to be profitable in pubs. Skrim matches do need a higher payout though(ambush payouts are fine imo) i die 3 times at most in an ambush match a 90k loss with adv suits. However in skrims it isn't uncommon for me to die 5 or more times and the payout is almost the same. Please excuse any gramatical/spelling errors i'm using my phone. Skirm and dom need higher pay 2 exiles assault rifles, Skinweave caldari frame, Staff recruiter mlt frame, Templar set Caldari Master Race
the zarck LATINOS KILLERS CORP The CORVOS 152	Posted - 2014.02.05 20:13:00 - [27] - Quote So all you guys happy with the payout in PUBs like to see a Squad full of protos ripping everybody in battle and just been getting kill because you don't want to use you proto to make the match equal. Director of Latinos Killers Corp [email protected]/ skype "th3zarck"
Billi Gene 463	Posted - 2014.02.05 20:17:00 - [28] - Quote the zarck wrote: Ccp wants to sale more aurum because MLT means get urself kill many times... MLT vs PROTO no a chance yup fairly much this. I don't disagree with the sentiment either, one runs a business to make profit from goods or services offered. its unfortunate that PC was so badly realised though. We have a significantly small portion of the player population controlling large tracts of the isk generating assets. Basically a iWIN button. I'm well aware of the parallels within EvE and applaud the symetrics, its just that somehow whereas EvE has a sense of freedom of movement, with multiple paths to the same goal, many circumventing traps laid out by other players, in DUST we have one activity. We have little to no choice in the meaningfulness of that activity, other than to enjoy it for it for what it is. It goes for an average of 10-15 minutes, on a server decided and furnished map. And it is usually fun for all that. but it isnt EvE :P so the parallels themselves are meaningless, the fact that a small percentage of DUST's player base are immune to the concerns of isk generation, other than to make sure they control enough planets to afford to lock out their timers, such that they can spam 100's of thousands of isk in Losses, match after match without care...... seems like bad game design... but thats just me hey.. I'm half chinese.. i can completely see how CCP Shanghai think a system in which all the plebs fund the game for the leading elite to enjoy (free of charge)is fair Pedant, Ape, Troll. My Beard makes Alpha's sook :P
the zarck LATINOS KILLERS CORP The CORVOS 152	Posted - 2014.02.05 20:18:00 - [29] - Quote The Robot Devil wrote: the zarck wrote: XEROO COOL wrote: the zarck wrote: I dont know if i am the only one notice this but the payment in isk for battle it's not enough... average isk for battle is between 200k to 300k . When a prototype dropsuites cost me around 150k each , and aleast you are the baddest ass in the game you get kill more then ones in the whole match so you are no getting any profit of this. I hope anybody else see this the way see it, we need a raise of ISK for battle. Stop being a tool and running proto in pub matches Lol if you don't use proto in PUBs the only you get slammed. Nope, I suck at this game, I don't have proto suits but still have no problem being competitive in advance or even Templar BPOs or in a dragonfly. Play to your strengths and don't engage people unless you think you have a chance. With well placed skills and a couple of good modules even a starter fit does well. I ran starter fits(pure starters) for 6 weeks straight and came away with a good bit of ISK and a better gun game. If you can't do it in an advanced suit then you can't do it. I don't have problems playing with ADV. I have to stop using my Sentinel ak.0 and turn to M1 series A logi just because this situation. Director of Latinos Killers Corp [email protected]/ skype "th3zarck"
lee corwood Knights Of Ender 427	Posted - 2014.02.05 20:23:00 - [30] - Quote the zarck wrote: So all you guys happy with the payout in PUBs like to see a Squad full of protos ripping everybody in battle and just been getting kill because you don't want to use you proto to make the match equal. actually more like we see you queuing your corp into pub matches with a lot of newer players in your proto suits because, you know, you want to match 'equal'. Also, you're complaining about your lose of proto suits against non proto users and think them bringing their own expensive gear to the table is going to help pad your wallet. If you're already dying to non proto users, wouldn't you just die more against other proto (equal) users so you'd still have the same problem?? Minmatar Logisis \| Heavy lover. Come get some badass Band-Aids from this chick

Tallen Ellecon KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 1387	Posted - 2014.02.05 20:25:00 - [31] - Quote I stay positive in starter fits. If you can't in proto than you need to get better. A good way to get better is to run in starter fits. It makes you money and prepares you for a real fight. Where is my Gallente sidearm? 1.8? When is that? SoonGäó514 "No blue tags make Tallen go crazy."
XEROO COOL Fatal Absolution Public Disorder. 519	Posted - 2014.02.05 20:28:00 - [32] - Quote the zarck wrote: XEROO COOL wrote: the zarck wrote: I dont know if i am the only one notice this but the payment in isk for battle it's not enough... average isk for battle is between 200k to 300k . When a prototype dropsuites cost me around 150k each , and aleast you are the baddest ass in the game you get kill more then ones in the whole match so you are no getting any profit of this. I hope anybody else see this the way see it, we need a raise of ISK for battle. Stop being a tool and running proto in pub matches Lol if you don't use proto in PUBs the only you get slammed. I use advanced and steadily go 3kdr or better... until I run into AKOZ and a group of LKC running all proto all the time.... it gets annoying... save your proto for FW and PC and the occasional pubstomp to make yourselves feel better.... stop running that **** 24/7 and you wont be broke! Everyone has a plan until you punch em in the face! (Gò»°Gûí°n+ëGò»n+¦ Gö+GöüGö+ Xeroo.Cool on Skype.
the zarck LATINOS KILLERS CORP The CORVOS 153	Posted - 2014.02.05 20:29:00 - [33] - Quote lee corwood wrote: the zarck wrote: So all you guys happy with the payout in PUBs like to see a Squad full of protos ripping everybody in battle and just been getting kill because you don't want to use you proto to make the match equal. actually more like we see you queuing your corp into pub matches with a lot of newer players in your proto suits because, you know, you want to match 'equal'. Also, you're complaining about your lose of proto suits against non proto users and think them bringing their own expensive gear to the table is going to help pad your wallet. If you're already dying to non proto users, wouldn't you just die more against other proto (equal) users so you'd still have the same problem?? I never say i die against non proto users. I say when u are in a match and every body from the opposite team are wearing a proto suites you don't have a chance with MLT or adv. So you must be in the same level to make the game fair and equal. Director of Latinos Killers Corp [email protected]/ skype "th3zarck"
SOMBRA del MUERTE The Exemplars Top Men. 25	Posted - 2014.02.05 20:29:00 - [34] - Quote If / when Dust becomes more open world, the wealth could distribute itself and there could be places for newer / broke players to make a margin and places for mercs to compare dropsuit measurements elseware
lee corwood Knights Of Ender 429	Posted - 2014.02.05 20:30:00 - [35] - Quote the zarck wrote: lee corwood wrote: the zarck wrote: So all you guys happy with the payout in PUBs like to see a Squad full of protos ripping everybody in battle and just been getting kill because you don't want to use you proto to make the match equal. actually more like we see you queuing your corp into pub matches with a lot of newer players in your proto suits because, you know, you want to match 'equal'. Also, you're complaining about your lose of proto suits against non proto users and think them bringing their own expensive gear to the table is going to help pad your wallet. If you're already dying to non proto users, wouldn't you just die more against other proto (equal) users so you'd still have the same problem?? I never say i die against non proto users. I say when u are in a match and every body from the opposite team are wearing a proto suites you don't have a chance with MLT or adv. So you must be in the same level to make the game fair and equal. That unfortunately is CCP's "matchmaking problem". Minmatar Logisis \| Heavy lover. Come get some badass Band-Aids from this chick
the zarck LATINOS KILLERS CORP The CORVOS 153	Posted - 2014.02.05 20:37:00 - [36] - Quote XEROO COOL wrote: the zarck wrote: XEROO COOL wrote: the zarck wrote: I dont know if i am the only one notice this but the payment in isk for battle it's not enough... average isk for battle is between 200k to 300k . When a prototype dropsuites cost me around 150k each , and aleast you are the baddest ass in the game you get kill more then ones in the whole match so you are no getting any profit of this. I hope anybody else see this the way see it, we need a raise of ISK for battle. Stop being a tool and running proto in pub matches Lol if you don't use proto in PUBs the only you get slammed. I use advanced and steadily go 3kdr or better... until I run into AKOZ and a group of LKC running all proto all the time.... it gets annoying... save your proto for FW and PC and the occasional pubstomp to make yourselves feel better.... stop running that **** 24/7 and you wont be broke! You see what i mean ... you Just say it adv vs proto have no chance but u know what we do that because it's no easy be in the opposite side or against Nyan San, AE ,Team players etc. And sweep the floor with ur adv or mlt suite. Because they most of the time wear proto. Director of Latinos Killers Corp [email protected]/ skype "th3zarck"
Smoky Fingers Red Star. 277	Posted - 2014.02.05 20:40:00 - [37] - Quote Lets be honest . Your complaints are more of a kdr issue than fairness and equality in a pub match. Apprentice forum warrior 4hire
the zarck LATINOS KILLERS CORP The CORVOS 153	Posted - 2014.02.05 20:49:00 - [38] - Quote Smoky Fingers wrote: Lets be honest . Your complaints are more of a kdr issue than fairness and equality in a pub match. One issue is next to the other... more like you spend more isk trying to make fair the match using the same gear as the enemy if it was like category match proto, Adv and mlt thinks were more fair. Director of Latinos Killers Corp [email protected]/ skype "th3zarck"
Billi Gene 466	Posted - 2014.02.05 20:50:00 - [39] - Quote Smoky Fingers wrote: Lets be honest . Your complaints are more of a kdr issue than fairness and equality in a pub match. kill/death RATIO you can go 30/6 (5:1) and still come out at a loss... proto spam is certainly something that non-'PC Alliance' types should stop doing. jokes aside, the maths is there: not every player in a match can go 30/6 (480:96 k=/=d), The ability to spam higher efficiency fits gives an advantage, the maths is also evident on this point. ergo, CCP wants PC-Alliances to kill off newberry retention, thus dropping player pop. to a level where they can comfortably wash their hands of the mess. the evidence is right there! how can you not see it? Pedant, Ape, Troll. My Beard makes Alpha's sook :P
Ankbar Latrommi S.e.V.e.N. General Tso's Alliance 62	Posted - 2014.02.05 20:50:00 - [40] - Quote pub = hi-sec --> crap payout fw = low-sec --> moderate payout pc = null-sec --> hi payout, or maybe per contractor *eventually, when all is said and done. Reiner Knizia-"When playing a game, the goal is to win, but it is the goal that is important, not the winning." Eve> FPS

Billi Gene 467	Posted - 2014.02.05 20:55:00 - [41] - Quote it will be interesting to see if and when PvE enters the fray, just how much isk we'll be allowed to generate by that activity. Pedant, Ape, Troll. My Beard makes Alpha's sook :P
Smoky Fingers Red Star. 280	Posted - 2014.02.05 20:58:00 - [42] - Quote Billi Gene wrote: Smoky Fingers wrote: Lets be honest . Your complaints are more of a kdr issue than fairness and equality in a pub match. kill/death RATIO you can go 30/6 (5:1) and still come out at a loss... proto spam is certainly something that non-'PC Alliance' types should stop doing. jokes aside, the maths is there: not every player in a match can go 30/6 (480:96 k=/=d), The ability to spam higher efficiency fits gives an advantage, the maths is also evident on this point. ergo, CCP wants PC-Alliances to kill off newberry retention, thus dropping player pop. to a level where they can comfortably wash their hands of the mess. the evidence is right there! how can you not see it? Oops forgot to add "in relation to ISK payouts" Going 30/6 in proto will still net you in the negatives tho. Apprentice forum warrior 4hire
Corbina Ninja Maphia Clan Corporation 590	Posted - 2014.02.05 21:03:00 - [43] - Quote - add some bonus for clone destroyed... like 10.000isk x clone / 16 intense match should be more profitable -add 10% salvage from item destoyed in battle reward to fight against proto teams > *Test Signature Please Ignore*
low genius The Sound Of Freedom Renegade Alliance 1221	Posted - 2014.02.05 21:12:00 - [44] - Quote the zarck wrote: I dont know if i am the only one notice this but the payment in isk for battle it's not enough... average isk for battle is between 200k to 300k . When a prototype dropsuites cost me around 150k each , and aleast you are the baddest ass in the game you get kill more then ones in the whole match so you are no getting any profit of this. I hope anybody else see this the way see it, we need a raise of ISK for battle. fiscal responsibility matters. stop using prototype suits in matches that don't pay prototype prices.
el OPERATOR Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation 79	Posted - 2014.02.05 21:22:00 - [45] - Quote the zarck wrote: lee corwood wrote: the zarck wrote: So all you guys happy with the payout in PUBs like to see a Squad full of protos ripping everybody in battle and just been getting kill because you don't want to use you proto to make the match equal. actually more like we see you queuing your corp into pub matches with a lot of newer players in your proto suits because, you know, you want to match 'equal'. Also, you're complaining about your lose of proto suits against non proto users and think them bringing their own expensive gear to the table is going to help pad your wallet. If you're already dying to non proto users, wouldn't you just die more against other proto (equal) users so you'd still have the same problem?? I never say i die against non proto users. I say when u are in a match and every body from the opposite team are wearing a proto suites you don't have a chance with MLT or adv. So you must be in the same level to make the game fair and equal. I have more than a chance, in STARTER suits. And the game here isn't about being fair or equal. Which is why as you benefit K/D-wise from the inequality of you fighting in your PROTO gear, I benefit from the ISK payout inequality in my having battled you in my STARTER fits. I'll die a little more (maybe) in the round, but I win at the bank. And 50/50 my team won the round overall. Open-Beta Vet. NPC Corp Independent Contractor. Drunk Night Tree Burner. This is my Main and Original.
Galvan Nized Deep Space Republic 588	Posted - 2014.02.05 21:31:00 - [46] - Quote el OPERATOR wrote: the zarck wrote: lee corwood wrote: the zarck wrote: So all you guys happy with the payout in PUBs like to see a Squad full of protos ripping everybody in battle and just been getting kill because you don't want to use you proto to make the match equal. actually more like we see you queuing your corp into pub matches with a lot of newer players in your proto suits because, you know, you want to match 'equal'. Also, you're complaining about your lose of proto suits against non proto users and think them bringing their own expensive gear to the table is going to help pad your wallet. If you're already dying to non proto users, wouldn't you just die more against other proto (equal) users so you'd still have the same problem?? I never say i die against non proto users. I say when u are in a match and every body from the opposite team are wearing a proto suites you don't have a chance with MLT or adv. So you must be in the same level to make the game fair and equal. I have more than a chance, in STARTER suits. And the game here isn't about being fair or equal. Which is why as you benefit K/D-wise from the inequality of you fighting in your PROTO gear, I benefit from the ISK payout inequality in my having battled you in my STARTER fits. I'll die a little more (maybe) in the round, but I win at the bank. And 50/50 my team won the round overall. Normally this would be fine because using PRO all the time would eventually leach the ISK from your wallet. But no, the game absolutely bleeds Isk pretty much to the point that sums of players never have to worry about Isk again. You can't tell that to a new player, you're going to die 500 times but you might make more Isk. Not fun at all.
The Headless Horseman Paladin Survey Force Amarr Empire 18	Posted - 2014.02.05 21:35:00 - [47] - Quote the zarck wrote: I dont know if i am the only one notice this but the payment in isk for battle it's not enough... average isk for battle is between 200k to 300k . When a prototype dropsuites cost me around 150k each , and aleast you are the baddest ass in the game you get kill more then ones in the whole match so you are no getting any profit of this. I hope anybody else see this the way see it, we need a raise of ISK for battle. NO! Keep running proto then you can join the broke/crying thread. My payouts range between 500k-800k but I lose 100k-200k in gear. Payout is fine where it is! Helping your team WIN, gets you the isk. Not just murdering countless noobs for sport. Heres a pro tip: Dont die and you wont lose your suit. Risk Vs Reward!
el OPERATOR Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation 79	Posted - 2014.02.05 21:47:00 - [48] - Quote Galvan Nized wrote: el OPERATOR wrote: the zarck wrote: lee corwood wrote: the zarck wrote: So all you guys happy with the payout in PUBs like to see a Squad full of protos ripping everybody in battle and just been getting kill because you don't want to use you proto to make the match equal. actually more like we see you queuing your corp into pub matches with a lot of newer players in your proto suits because, you know, you want to match 'equal'. Also, you're complaining about your lose of proto suits against non proto users and think them bringing their own expensive gear to the table is going to help pad your wallet. If you're already dying to non proto users, wouldn't you just die more against other proto (equal) users so you'd still have the same problem?? I never say i die against non proto users. I say when u are in a match and every body from the opposite team are wearing a proto suites you don't have a chance with MLT or adv. So you must be in the same level to make the game fair and equal. I have more than a chance, in STARTER suits. And the game here isn't about being fair or equal. Which is why as you benefit K/D-wise from the inequality of you fighting in your PROTO gear, I benefit from the ISK payout inequality in my having battled you in my STARTER fits. I'll die a little more (maybe) in the round, but I win at the bank. And 50/50 my team won the round overall. Normally this would be fine because using PRO all the time would eventually leach the ISK from your wallet. But no, the game absolutely bleeds Isk pretty much to the point that sums of players never have to worry about Isk again. You can't tell that to a new player, you're going to die 500 times but you might make more Isk. Not fun at all. New players have to start somewhere, and it is the bottom. What they learn and how fast they apply it determines how long they'll be there. If they learn a bunch of cheap exploits or ezscrub techniques (like running full PROTO in pubs all the time) then when they come into matches with other or more experienced players, then they'll get bottomed out. Quickly. If they learn worthwhile strategies (Fits, Squads,Teams, Maps) then they'll have better tools to solve the problems they'll encounter and be much more successful for longer durations. Open-Beta Vet. NPC Corp Independent Contractor. Drunk Night Tree Burner. This is my Main and Original.
jamstar saa187 the third day 74	Posted - 2014.02.05 21:50:00 - [49] - Quote the concept of this thread, if implemented, would quickly lead to the death of this game IMHO. if you always ran a profit in every match it would render the concept of the economy in this game mute, as you would always have enough ISK to buy any fit you want. (or at least a better fit than the one you ran in the last battle). if that is the case just make everything free and remove ISk all together. Also, if implemented, how would this help the current Tank spam and Proto stomping mess that is a Pub match these days? what incentive would there be to not do these things, if after every match said proto stomper or tank spammer can just go and replenish his/her lost fits from the last battle. Hell, what stopping them from going for broke (literally) in every battle, they know it will eventually come back to them? too many players having too much ISK is currently a major issue in the game, i dont think this would do anything to alleviate the problem.
the zarck LATINOS KILLERS CORP The CORVOS 154	Posted - 2014.02.05 22:30:00 - [50] - Quote jamstar saa187 wrote: the concept of this thread, if implemented, would quickly lead to the death of this game IMHO. if you always ran a profit in every match it would render the concept of the economy in this game mute, as you would always have enough ISK to buy any fit you want. (or at least a better fit than the one you ran in the last battle). if that is the case just make everything free and remove ISk all together. Also, if implemented, how would this help the current Tank spam and Proto stomping mess that is a Pub match these days? what incentive would there be to not do these things, if after every match said proto stomper or tank spammer can just go and replenish his/her lost fits from the last battle. Hell, what stopping them from going for broke (literally) in every battle, they know it will eventually come back to them? too many players having too much ISK is currently a major issue in the game, i dont think this would do anything to alleviate the problem. Ok let's say the solution isn't more ISK so maybe will be ether put some reward everytime you kill a Proto suits or proto tank that way you get both lil more isk and the protos thinks twice before get in the field to makes this game more Interesting... Director of Latinos Killers Corp [email protected]/ skype "th3zarck"

Aziagarth Haus Kinda New here 22	Posted - 2014.02.05 22:33:00 - [51] - Quote the zarck wrote: XEROO COOL wrote: the zarck wrote: I dont know if i am the only one notice this but the payment in isk for battle it's not enough... average isk for battle is between 200k to 300k . When a prototype dropsuites cost me around 150k each , and aleast you are the baddest ass in the game you get kill more then ones in the whole match so you are no getting any profit of this. I hope anybody else see this the way see it, we need a raise of ISK for battle. Stop being a tool and running proto in pub matches Lol if you don't use proto in PUBs the only you get slammed. I use advanced and basic suits in PUBs. It is rare for me not to run a profit and positive K/D ratio. The only time I lose a profit is when I run a proto heavy suit.
Ripcord19981 KNIGHTZ OF THE ROUND Legacy Rising 412	Posted - 2014.02.05 22:36:00 - [52] - Quote my pub suits are enough so that i can lose 8 suits and still profit. What the hell r u running? I can only please one person per day. Today is not ur day, tomorrow doesn't look too bright either. Turkey sammich>taco
the zarck LATINOS KILLERS CORP The CORVOS 154	Posted - 2014.02.05 22:42:00 - [53] - Quote Aziagarth Haus wrote: the zarck wrote: XEROO COOL wrote: the zarck wrote: I dont know if i am the only one notice this but the payment in isk for battle it's not enough... average isk for battle is between 200k to 300k . When a prototype dropsuites cost me around 150k each , and aleast you are the baddest ass in the game you get kill more then ones in the whole match so you are no getting any profit of this. I hope anybody else see this the way see it, we need a raise of ISK for battle. Stop being a tool and running proto in pub matches Lol if you don't use proto in PUBs the only you get slammed. I use advanced and basic suits in PUBs. It is rare for me not to run a profit and positive K/D ratio. The only time I lose a profit is when I run a proto heavy suit. Yesterday i was playing a Domi and i count 7 sentinels in the letter with logis behind. Ridiculous , no way a Advance or militia squad will hack that letter Director of Latinos Killers Corp [email protected]/ skype "th3zarck"
Sgt Buttscratch 1454	Posted - 2014.02.05 22:43:00 - [54] - Quote oin domination,use starter sniper fit, play terrible = profit I stick my weiner in two buns and and then give it the gas Sour cream from my spleen into Levi jeans
Aziagarth Haus Kinda New here 22	Posted - 2014.02.05 22:45:00 - [55] - Quote the zarck wrote: Aziagarth Haus wrote: the zarck wrote: XEROO COOL wrote: the zarck wrote: I dont know if i am the only one notice this but the payment in isk for battle it's not enough... average isk for battle is between 200k to 300k . When a prototype dropsuites cost me around 150k each , and aleast you are the baddest ass in the game you get kill more then ones in the whole match so you are no getting any profit of this. I hope anybody else see this the way see it, we need a raise of ISK for battle. Stop being a tool and running proto in pub matches Lol if you don't use proto in PUBs the only you get slammed. I use advanced and basic suits in PUBs. It is rare for me not to run a profit and positive K/D ratio. The only time I lose a profit is when I run a proto heavy suit. Yesterday i was playing a Domi and i count 7 sentinels in the letter with logis behind. Ridiculous , no way a Advance or militia squad will hack that letter Regular players will sit there and say that is invincible. Great players will assess the situation, find certain aspects of weaknesses and exploit them. If you know you're not going to win, you might as well make the enemy team bleed in ISK in response. It's the divide between regular players and great players. That being said, great players don't need to run Proto suits to be successful.
Heavenly Daughter the Aurum Grinder and Company 319	Posted - 2014.02.05 22:47:00 - [56] - Quote the zarck wrote: Yesterday i was playing a Domi and i count 7 sentinels in the letter with logis behind. Ridiculous , no way a Advance or militia squad will hack that letter Best thing to do there, is just leave the game and find another. The Organ Grinder & Co. EVE Heavenly Daughter-Merc Records
the zarck LATINOS KILLERS CORP The CORVOS 154	Posted - 2014.02.05 22:49:00 - [57] - Quote Ripcord19981 wrote: my pub suits are enough so that i can lose 8 suits and still profit. What the hell r u running? I just to be Heavy but with this situation i become advance logi. But when you cross to a proto squad in pubs have to use mine Sentinel ak.0 to keep out of been negative at the end Director of Latinos Killers Corp [email protected]/ skype "th3zarck"
MINA Longstrike 2Shitz 1Giggle 239	Posted - 2014.02.05 22:58:00 - [58] - Quote the zarck wrote: Atiim wrote: So basically you want a higher ISK payout so that PRO suits are profitable in PUBs? Seems Legit. Pro suits was just a example . My point is that isn't enough to compensate the losses in battle Learn to budget
The Robot Devil Molon Labe. Public Disorder. 1598	Posted - 2014.02.05 23:04:00 - [59] - Quote the zarck wrote: The Robot Devil wrote: the zarck wrote: XEROO COOL wrote: the zarck wrote: I dont know if i am the only one notice this but the payment in isk for battle it's not enough... average isk for battle is between 200k to 300k . When a prototype dropsuites cost me around 150k each , and aleast you are the baddest ass in the game you get kill more then ones in the whole match so you are no getting any profit of this. I hope anybody else see this the way see it, we need a raise of ISK for battle. Stop being a tool and running proto in pub matches Lol if you don't use proto in PUBs the only you get slammed. Nope, I suck at this game, I don't have proto suits but still have no problem being competitive in advance or even Templar BPOs or in a dragonfly. Play to your strengths and don't engage people unless you think you have a chance. With well placed skills and a couple of good modules even a starter fit does well. I ran starter fits(pure starters) for 6 weeks straight and came away with a good bit of ISK and a better gun game. If you can't do it in an advanced suit then you can't do it. I don't have problems playing with ADV. I have to stop using my Sentinel ak.0 and turn to M1 series A logi just because this situation. Your corp is hardcore, you guys stomp on me all the time. Good job because I never feel like it was anyone's but my fault I died. I hate to say this but really good players are the only players who can spend whatever they like or players that somehow came into a boatload of ISK, either way, good players will always be profitable and bad players will lose ISK. It is supposed to be that way, if the guy is good enough to run top of the line gear then he has the right to and deserves to be able to. I am not saying anyone is not good but wallet management is just another form of pvp and it makes the game better. Let them run proto gear, I make lots more ISK when try-hards use the best, I may get stomped but I loose 50K and make 250K, They lose three suits and they are negative, who won? I rarely lose money because I have fits that cost more or cost less depending on what kind of game I am having. Hit them in them pocket book, it is just another form of winning. All that said, I would like to see a wider gap between winners and losers. To me the ISK difference is too close and does not make the loser feel like they lost and the winner feel like they won. GÇ£No sympathy for the devil; keep that in mind. Buy the ticket, take the ride." Hunter S. Thompson
the zarck LATINOS KILLERS CORP The CORVOS 154	Posted - 2014.02.05 23:17:00 - [60] - Quote Agree with you ... you never see the top mens in the statistics wearing a MLT or ADV or there squads and they do that because they don't have ISK problems ... why? They run into guys like us in battle with MLT or ADV that it's no competition to them so they make flawless victories and great scores and us negative numbers thats the system. Director of Latinos Killers Corp [email protected]/ skype "th3zarck"

Dauth Jenkins Ultramarine Corp 10	Posted - 2014.02.05 23:37:00 - [61] - Quote lee corwood wrote: I run ADV logi and I still make a profit after 4 deaths. Requesting a profit because you decided to bring your shiniest, fanciest suit into a pub match. No. Stop pubstomping. You surr you running a full adv logi? My caldari advanced logi is 50k a suit. 4 deaths is 200k... so no profit... and if your actually playing against a decent team your going to get more that 4 deaths....brick tanking not included Sees prototompers... Sees blueberries start to snipe... Pulls out commando suit with laser rifle and swarm launcher...
Dauth Jenkins Ultramarine Corp 10	Posted - 2014.02.05 23:47:00 - [62] - Quote The Headless Horseman wrote: the zarck wrote: I dont know if i am the only one notice this but the payment in isk for battle it's not enough... average isk for battle is between 200k to 300k . When a prototype dropsuites cost me around 150k each , and aleast you are the baddest ass in the game you get kill more then ones in the whole match so you are no getting any profit of this. I hope anybody else see this the way see it, we need a raise of ISK for battle. NO! Keep running proto then you can join the broke/crying thread. My payouts range between 500k-800k but I lose 100k-200k in gear. Payout is fine where it is! Helping your team WIN, gets you the isk. Not just murdering countless noobs for sport. Heres a pro tip: Dont die and you wont lose your suit. Risk Vs Reward! Wait what... 500k isk.... that's not even possible...is it? If so, tell me your secret so I can continue to run my dropships because right now dropships pilots who are not flying Assault dropships get like 150k. Sees prototompers... Sees blueberries start to snipe... Pulls out commando suit with laser rifle and swarm launcher...
Aikuchi Tomaru Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 1733	Posted - 2014.02.06 00:40:00 - [63] - Quote the zarck wrote: I dont know if i am the only one notice this but the payment in isk for battle it's not enough... average isk for battle is between 200k to 300k . When a prototype dropsuites cost me around 150k each , and aleast you are the baddest ass in the game you get kill more then ones in the whole match so you are no getting any profit of this. I hope anybody else see this the way see it, we need a raise of ISK for battle. Exactly. Working as intended. You aren't supposed to run Proto suits all the time. For normal battles it's standard or advanced, proto only for very important battles. Sign up for Caldari FW and defeat the evil Gallente Overlords!
the zarck LATINOS KILLERS CORP The CORVOS 156	Posted - 2014.02.06 00:51:00 - [64] - Quote Aikuchi Tomaru wrote: the zarck wrote: I dont know if i am the only one notice this but the payment in isk for battle it's not enough... average isk for battle is between 200k to 300k . When a prototype dropsuites cost me around 150k each , and aleast you are the baddest ass in the game you get kill more then ones in the whole match so you are no getting any profit of this. I hope anybody else see this the way see it, we need a raise of ISK for battle. Exactly. Working as intended. You aren't supposed to run Proto suits all the time. For normal battles it's standard or advanced, proto only for very important battles. That applies just for us but what about the biggest corp that use proto every time and our standard and advance suits can't do nothing against them ? You just go and get kill or pull out a proto to be in the same page? Director of Latinos Killers Corp [email protected]/ skype "th3zarck"
One Eyed King Eyniletti Rangers Minmatar Republic 293	Posted - 2014.02.06 01:40:00 - [65] - Quote What if isk values were based upon what meta a suit is vs what meta suit you kill? This way, a protobear would likely not earn enough isk if its a team of noobs running mlt and std gear. Likewise, if someone is running std, and they are taking out a few proto suits, they are well compensated. It rewards skill and teamwork while discouraging protostomping. Thoughts? This scout thanks you CCP!!!
Dauth Jenkins Ultramarine Corp 12	Posted - 2014.02.06 02:34:00 - [66] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: What if isk values were based upon what meta a suit is vs what meta suit you kill? This way, a protobear would likely not earn enough isk if its a team of noobs running mlt and std gear. Likewise, if someone is running std, and they are taking out a few proto suits, they are well compensated. It rewards skill and teamwork while discouraging protostomping. Thoughts? +1 Sees prototompers... Sees blueberries start to snipe... Pulls out commando suit with laser rifle and swarm launcher...
Scheneighnay McBob Learning Coalition College 3923	Posted - 2014.02.06 02:35:00 - [67] - Quote the zarck wrote: Atiim wrote: So basically you want a higher ISK payout so that PRO suits are profitable in PUBs? Seems Legit. Pro suits was just a example . My point is that isn't enough to compensate the losses in battle I almost always go positive as far as ISK is involved. I am your scan error.
Ankbar Latrommi S.e.V.e.N. General Tso's Alliance 69	Posted - 2014.02.06 21:40:00 - [68] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: What if isk values were based upon what meta a suit is vs what meta suit you kill? This way, a protobear would likely not earn enough isk if its a team of noobs running mlt and std gear. Likewise, if someone is running std, and they are taking out a few proto suits, they are well compensated. Sure, the harder the opponent the more the corporation would have to pay you to take the contract, right? Sounds fine. (No diff than taking on a 750k BS rat vs a 1mil BS rat.) Reiner Knizia-"When playing a game, the goal is to win, but it is the goal that is important, not the winning." Eve> FPS
The Robot Devil Molon Labe. Public Disorder. 1600	Posted - 2014.02.07 23:35:00 - [69] - Quote This topic is the exact reason that why battles should be separated in to security status and each level of sec stat should have a corresponding meta number that limits what total meta number should be allowed into the match. I know that we don't have the players but it is the only way because we don't have the players for matchmaking either. This is my idea. I need to redo it because of FW and vehicles but the idea is the same. The numbers seem to work and it would give us the feeling of a sandbox by letting us at least choose where to go. GÇ£No sympathy for the devil; keep that in mind. Buy the ticket, take the ride." Hunter S. Thompson
Nothing Certain Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 194	Posted - 2014.02.07 23:41:00 - [70] - Quote the zarck wrote: I dont know if i am the only one notice this but the payment in isk for battle it's not enough... average isk for battle is between 200k to 300k . When a prototype dropsuites cost me around 150k each , and aleast you are the baddest ass in the game you get kill more then ones in the whole match so you are no getting any profit of this. I hope anybody else see this the way see it, we need a raise of ISK for battle. No, you need to stop running proto every match. Because, that's why.

Nothing Certain Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 194	Posted - 2014.02.07 23:44:00 - [71] - Quote the zarck wrote: XEROO COOL wrote: the zarck wrote: I dont know if i am the only one notice this but the payment in isk for battle it's not enough... average isk for battle is between 200k to 300k . When a prototype dropsuites cost me around 150k each , and aleast you are the baddest ass in the game you get kill more then ones in the whole match so you are no getting any profit of this. I hope anybody else see this the way see it, we need a raise of ISK for battle. Stop being a tool and running proto in pub matches Lol if you don't use proto in PUBs the only you get slammed. Priceless Because, that's why.
CYRAX SERVIUS Death Firm. Canis Eliminatus Operatives 798	Posted - 2014.02.07 23:56:00 - [72] - Quote the zarck wrote: So all you guys happy with the payout in PUBs like to see a Squad full of protos ripping everybody in battle and just been getting kill because you don't want to use you proto to make the match equal. A lot of it also Zark is the quality of the blue dots on your team making it worth it to run proto or not. If we have no support we keep it in the locker and out come the BPO's, we always give you guys a good match in our basic fits. CEO Whiskey squad leader Invictus Maneo~"I Remain Unvanquished"~
CYRAX SERVIUS Death Firm. Canis Eliminatus Operatives 799	Posted - 2014.02.08 00:07:00 - [73] - Quote Heavenly Daughter wrote: the zarck wrote: Yesterday i was playing a Domi and i count 7 sentinels in the letter with logis behind. Ridiculous , no way a Advance or militia squad will hack that letter Best thing to do there, is just leave the game and find another. Wrong, a couple mass drivers from range with the new op rail rifle could do whonders. CEO Whiskey squad leader Invictus Maneo~"I Remain Unvanquished"~
Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 3066	Posted - 2014.02.08 00:17:00 - [74] - Quote the zarck wrote: Atiim wrote: So basically you want a higher ISK payout so that PRO suits are profitable in PUBs? Seems Legit. Pro suits was just a example . My point is that isn't enough to compensate the losses in battle It is if you're not an idiot. No.
NK Scout Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State 277	Posted - 2014.02.08 00:27:00 - [75] - Quote Chunky Munkey wrote: the zarck wrote: Atiim wrote: So basically you want a higher ISK payout so that PRO suits are profitable in PUBs? Seems Legit. Pro suits was just a example . My point is that isn't enough to compensate the losses in battle It is if you're not an idiot. 170k isk for doing good, ** that and commando, scout, and amar and minmatar logi proto arent op, slightly better than adv 2 exiles assault rifles, Skinweave caldari frame, Staff recruiter mlt frame, Templar set Caldari Master Race**
NK Scout Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State 277	Posted - 2014.02.08 00:31:00 - [76] - Quote Scheneighnay McBob wrote: the zarck wrote: Atiim wrote: So basically you want a higher ISK payout so that PRO suits are profitable in PUBs? Seems Legit. Pro suits was just a example . My point is that isn't enough to compensate the losses in battle I almost always go positive as far as ISK is involved. not if you PTFO 2 exiles assault rifles, Skinweave caldari frame, Staff recruiter mlt frame, Templar set Caldari Master Race


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