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Tallen Ellecon KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 1387	Posted - 2014.02.05 20:25:00 - [31] - Quote I stay positive in starter fits. If you can't in proto than you need to get better. A good way to get better is to run in starter fits. It makes you money and prepares you for a real fight. Where is my Gallente sidearm? 1.8? When is that? SoonGäó514 "No blue tags make Tallen go crazy."
XEROO COOL Fatal Absolution Public Disorder. 519	Posted - 2014.02.05 20:28:00 - [32] - Quote the zarck wrote: XEROO COOL wrote: the zarck wrote: I dont know if i am the only one notice this but the payment in isk for battle it's not enough... average isk for battle is between 200k to 300k . When a prototype dropsuites cost me around 150k each , and aleast you are the baddest ass in the game you get kill more then ones in the whole match so you are no getting any profit of this. I hope anybody else see this the way see it, we need a raise of ISK for battle. Stop being a tool and running proto in pub matches Lol if you don't use proto in PUBs the only you get slammed. I use advanced and steadily go 3kdr or better... until I run into AKOZ and a group of LKC running all proto all the time.... it gets annoying... save your proto for FW and PC and the occasional pubstomp to make yourselves feel better.... stop running that **** 24/7 and you wont be broke! Everyone has a plan until you punch em in the face! (Gò»°Gûí°n+ëGò»n+¦ Gö+GöüGö+ Xeroo.Cool on Skype.
the zarck LATINOS KILLERS CORP The CORVOS 153	Posted - 2014.02.05 20:29:00 - [33] - Quote lee corwood wrote: the zarck wrote: So all you guys happy with the payout in PUBs like to see a Squad full of protos ripping everybody in battle and just been getting kill because you don't want to use you proto to make the match equal. actually more like we see you queuing your corp into pub matches with a lot of newer players in your proto suits because, you know, you want to match 'equal'. Also, you're complaining about your lose of proto suits against non proto users and think them bringing their own expensive gear to the table is going to help pad your wallet. If you're already dying to non proto users, wouldn't you just die more against other proto (equal) users so you'd still have the same problem?? I never say i die against non proto users. I say when u are in a match and every body from the opposite team are wearing a proto suites you don't have a chance with MLT or adv. So you must be in the same level to make the game fair and equal. Director of Latinos Killers Corp [email protected]/ skype "th3zarck"
SOMBRA del MUERTE The Exemplars Top Men. 25	Posted - 2014.02.05 20:29:00 - [34] - Quote If / when Dust becomes more open world, the wealth could distribute itself and there could be places for newer / broke players to make a margin and places for mercs to compare dropsuit measurements elseware
lee corwood Knights Of Ender 429	Posted - 2014.02.05 20:30:00 - [35] - Quote the zarck wrote: lee corwood wrote: the zarck wrote: So all you guys happy with the payout in PUBs like to see a Squad full of protos ripping everybody in battle and just been getting kill because you don't want to use you proto to make the match equal. actually more like we see you queuing your corp into pub matches with a lot of newer players in your proto suits because, you know, you want to match 'equal'. Also, you're complaining about your lose of proto suits against non proto users and think them bringing their own expensive gear to the table is going to help pad your wallet. If you're already dying to non proto users, wouldn't you just die more against other proto (equal) users so you'd still have the same problem?? I never say i die against non proto users. I say when u are in a match and every body from the opposite team are wearing a proto suites you don't have a chance with MLT or adv. So you must be in the same level to make the game fair and equal. That unfortunately is CCP's "matchmaking problem". Minmatar Logisis \| Heavy lover. Come get some badass Band-Aids from this chick
the zarck LATINOS KILLERS CORP The CORVOS 153	Posted - 2014.02.05 20:37:00 - [36] - Quote XEROO COOL wrote: the zarck wrote: XEROO COOL wrote: the zarck wrote: I dont know if i am the only one notice this but the payment in isk for battle it's not enough... average isk for battle is between 200k to 300k . When a prototype dropsuites cost me around 150k each , and aleast you are the baddest ass in the game you get kill more then ones in the whole match so you are no getting any profit of this. I hope anybody else see this the way see it, we need a raise of ISK for battle. Stop being a tool and running proto in pub matches Lol if you don't use proto in PUBs the only you get slammed. I use advanced and steadily go 3kdr or better... until I run into AKOZ and a group of LKC running all proto all the time.... it gets annoying... save your proto for FW and PC and the occasional pubstomp to make yourselves feel better.... stop running that **** 24/7 and you wont be broke! You see what i mean ... you Just say it adv vs proto have no chance but u know what we do that because it's no easy be in the opposite side or against Nyan San, AE ,Team players etc. And sweep the floor with ur adv or mlt suite. Because they most of the time wear proto. Director of Latinos Killers Corp [email protected]/ skype "th3zarck"
Smoky Fingers Red Star. 277	Posted - 2014.02.05 20:40:00 - [37] - Quote Lets be honest . Your complaints are more of a kdr issue than fairness and equality in a pub match. Apprentice forum warrior 4hire
the zarck LATINOS KILLERS CORP The CORVOS 153	Posted - 2014.02.05 20:49:00 - [38] - Quote Smoky Fingers wrote: Lets be honest . Your complaints are more of a kdr issue than fairness and equality in a pub match. One issue is next to the other... more like you spend more isk trying to make fair the match using the same gear as the enemy if it was like category match proto, Adv and mlt thinks were more fair. Director of Latinos Killers Corp [email protected]/ skype "th3zarck"
Billi Gene 466	Posted - 2014.02.05 20:50:00 - [39] - Quote Smoky Fingers wrote: Lets be honest . Your complaints are more of a kdr issue than fairness and equality in a pub match. kill/death RATIO you can go 30/6 (5:1) and still come out at a loss... proto spam is certainly something that non-'PC Alliance' types should stop doing. jokes aside, the maths is there: not every player in a match can go 30/6 (480:96 k=/=d), The ability to spam higher efficiency fits gives an advantage, the maths is also evident on this point. ergo, CCP wants PC-Alliances to kill off newberry retention, thus dropping player pop. to a level where they can comfortably wash their hands of the mess. the evidence is right there! how can you not see it? Pedant, Ape, Troll. My Beard makes Alpha's sook :P
Ankbar Latrommi S.e.V.e.N. General Tso's Alliance 62	Posted - 2014.02.05 20:50:00 - [40] - Quote pub = hi-sec --> crap payout fw = low-sec --> moderate payout pc = null-sec --> hi payout, or maybe per contractor *eventually, when all is said and done. Reiner Knizia-"When playing a game, the goal is to win, but it is the goal that is important, not the winning." Eve> FPS

Billi Gene 467	Posted - 2014.02.05 20:55:00 - [41] - Quote it will be interesting to see if and when PvE enters the fray, just how much isk we'll be allowed to generate by that activity. Pedant, Ape, Troll. My Beard makes Alpha's sook :P
Smoky Fingers Red Star. 280	Posted - 2014.02.05 20:58:00 - [42] - Quote Billi Gene wrote: Smoky Fingers wrote: Lets be honest . Your complaints are more of a kdr issue than fairness and equality in a pub match. kill/death RATIO you can go 30/6 (5:1) and still come out at a loss... proto spam is certainly something that non-'PC Alliance' types should stop doing. jokes aside, the maths is there: not every player in a match can go 30/6 (480:96 k=/=d), The ability to spam higher efficiency fits gives an advantage, the maths is also evident on this point. ergo, CCP wants PC-Alliances to kill off newberry retention, thus dropping player pop. to a level where they can comfortably wash their hands of the mess. the evidence is right there! how can you not see it? Oops forgot to add "in relation to ISK payouts" Going 30/6 in proto will still net you in the negatives tho. Apprentice forum warrior 4hire
Corbina Ninja Maphia Clan Corporation 590	Posted - 2014.02.05 21:03:00 - [43] - Quote - add some bonus for clone destroyed... like 10.000isk x clone / 16 intense match should be more profitable -add 10% salvage from item destoyed in battle reward to fight against proto teams > *Test Signature Please Ignore*
low genius The Sound Of Freedom Renegade Alliance 1221	Posted - 2014.02.05 21:12:00 - [44] - Quote the zarck wrote: I dont know if i am the only one notice this but the payment in isk for battle it's not enough... average isk for battle is between 200k to 300k . When a prototype dropsuites cost me around 150k each , and aleast you are the baddest ass in the game you get kill more then ones in the whole match so you are no getting any profit of this. I hope anybody else see this the way see it, we need a raise of ISK for battle. fiscal responsibility matters. stop using prototype suits in matches that don't pay prototype prices.
el OPERATOR Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation 79	Posted - 2014.02.05 21:22:00 - [45] - Quote the zarck wrote: lee corwood wrote: the zarck wrote: So all you guys happy with the payout in PUBs like to see a Squad full of protos ripping everybody in battle and just been getting kill because you don't want to use you proto to make the match equal. actually more like we see you queuing your corp into pub matches with a lot of newer players in your proto suits because, you know, you want to match 'equal'. Also, you're complaining about your lose of proto suits against non proto users and think them bringing their own expensive gear to the table is going to help pad your wallet. If you're already dying to non proto users, wouldn't you just die more against other proto (equal) users so you'd still have the same problem?? I never say i die against non proto users. I say when u are in a match and every body from the opposite team are wearing a proto suites you don't have a chance with MLT or adv. So you must be in the same level to make the game fair and equal. I have more than a chance, in STARTER suits. And the game here isn't about being fair or equal. Which is why as you benefit K/D-wise from the inequality of you fighting in your PROTO gear, I benefit from the ISK payout inequality in my having battled you in my STARTER fits. I'll die a little more (maybe) in the round, but I win at the bank. And 50/50 my team won the round overall. Open-Beta Vet. NPC Corp Independent Contractor. Drunk Night Tree Burner. This is my Main and Original.
Galvan Nized Deep Space Republic 588	Posted - 2014.02.05 21:31:00 - [46] - Quote el OPERATOR wrote: the zarck wrote: lee corwood wrote: the zarck wrote: So all you guys happy with the payout in PUBs like to see a Squad full of protos ripping everybody in battle and just been getting kill because you don't want to use you proto to make the match equal. actually more like we see you queuing your corp into pub matches with a lot of newer players in your proto suits because, you know, you want to match 'equal'. Also, you're complaining about your lose of proto suits against non proto users and think them bringing their own expensive gear to the table is going to help pad your wallet. If you're already dying to non proto users, wouldn't you just die more against other proto (equal) users so you'd still have the same problem?? I never say i die against non proto users. I say when u are in a match and every body from the opposite team are wearing a proto suites you don't have a chance with MLT or adv. So you must be in the same level to make the game fair and equal. I have more than a chance, in STARTER suits. And the game here isn't about being fair or equal. Which is why as you benefit K/D-wise from the inequality of you fighting in your PROTO gear, I benefit from the ISK payout inequality in my having battled you in my STARTER fits. I'll die a little more (maybe) in the round, but I win at the bank. And 50/50 my team won the round overall. Normally this would be fine because using PRO all the time would eventually leach the ISK from your wallet. But no, the game absolutely bleeds Isk pretty much to the point that sums of players never have to worry about Isk again. You can't tell that to a new player, you're going to die 500 times but you might make more Isk. Not fun at all.
The Headless Horseman Paladin Survey Force Amarr Empire 18	Posted - 2014.02.05 21:35:00 - [47] - Quote the zarck wrote: I dont know if i am the only one notice this but the payment in isk for battle it's not enough... average isk for battle is between 200k to 300k . When a prototype dropsuites cost me around 150k each , and aleast you are the baddest ass in the game you get kill more then ones in the whole match so you are no getting any profit of this. I hope anybody else see this the way see it, we need a raise of ISK for battle. NO! Keep running proto then you can join the broke/crying thread. My payouts range between 500k-800k but I lose 100k-200k in gear. Payout is fine where it is! Helping your team WIN, gets you the isk. Not just murdering countless noobs for sport. Heres a pro tip: Dont die and you wont lose your suit. Risk Vs Reward!
el OPERATOR Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation 79	Posted - 2014.02.05 21:47:00 - [48] - Quote Galvan Nized wrote: el OPERATOR wrote: the zarck wrote: lee corwood wrote: the zarck wrote: So all you guys happy with the payout in PUBs like to see a Squad full of protos ripping everybody in battle and just been getting kill because you don't want to use you proto to make the match equal. actually more like we see you queuing your corp into pub matches with a lot of newer players in your proto suits because, you know, you want to match 'equal'. Also, you're complaining about your lose of proto suits against non proto users and think them bringing their own expensive gear to the table is going to help pad your wallet. If you're already dying to non proto users, wouldn't you just die more against other proto (equal) users so you'd still have the same problem?? I never say i die against non proto users. I say when u are in a match and every body from the opposite team are wearing a proto suites you don't have a chance with MLT or adv. So you must be in the same level to make the game fair and equal. I have more than a chance, in STARTER suits. And the game here isn't about being fair or equal. Which is why as you benefit K/D-wise from the inequality of you fighting in your PROTO gear, I benefit from the ISK payout inequality in my having battled you in my STARTER fits. I'll die a little more (maybe) in the round, but I win at the bank. And 50/50 my team won the round overall. Normally this would be fine because using PRO all the time would eventually leach the ISK from your wallet. But no, the game absolutely bleeds Isk pretty much to the point that sums of players never have to worry about Isk again. You can't tell that to a new player, you're going to die 500 times but you might make more Isk. Not fun at all. New players have to start somewhere, and it is the bottom. What they learn and how fast they apply it determines how long they'll be there. If they learn a bunch of cheap exploits or ezscrub techniques (like running full PROTO in pubs all the time) then when they come into matches with other or more experienced players, then they'll get bottomed out. Quickly. If they learn worthwhile strategies (Fits, Squads,Teams, Maps) then they'll have better tools to solve the problems they'll encounter and be much more successful for longer durations. Open-Beta Vet. NPC Corp Independent Contractor. Drunk Night Tree Burner. This is my Main and Original.
jamstar saa187 the third day 74	Posted - 2014.02.05 21:50:00 - [49] - Quote the concept of this thread, if implemented, would quickly lead to the death of this game IMHO. if you always ran a profit in every match it would render the concept of the economy in this game mute, as you would always have enough ISK to buy any fit you want. (or at least a better fit than the one you ran in the last battle). if that is the case just make everything free and remove ISk all together. Also, if implemented, how would this help the current Tank spam and Proto stomping mess that is a Pub match these days? what incentive would there be to not do these things, if after every match said proto stomper or tank spammer can just go and replenish his/her lost fits from the last battle. Hell, what stopping them from going for broke (literally) in every battle, they know it will eventually come back to them? too many players having too much ISK is currently a major issue in the game, i dont think this would do anything to alleviate the problem.
the zarck LATINOS KILLERS CORP The CORVOS 154	Posted - 2014.02.05 22:30:00 - [50] - Quote jamstar saa187 wrote: the concept of this thread, if implemented, would quickly lead to the death of this game IMHO. if you always ran a profit in every match it would render the concept of the economy in this game mute, as you would always have enough ISK to buy any fit you want. (or at least a better fit than the one you ran in the last battle). if that is the case just make everything free and remove ISk all together. Also, if implemented, how would this help the current Tank spam and Proto stomping mess that is a Pub match these days? what incentive would there be to not do these things, if after every match said proto stomper or tank spammer can just go and replenish his/her lost fits from the last battle. Hell, what stopping them from going for broke (literally) in every battle, they know it will eventually come back to them? too many players having too much ISK is currently a major issue in the game, i dont think this would do anything to alleviate the problem. Ok let's say the solution isn't more ISK so maybe will be ether put some reward everytime you kill a Proto suits or proto tank that way you get both lil more isk and the protos thinks twice before get in the field to makes this game more Interesting... Director of Latinos Killers Corp [email protected]/ skype "th3zarck"

Aziagarth Haus Kinda New here 22	Posted - 2014.02.05 22:33:00 - [51] - Quote the zarck wrote: XEROO COOL wrote: the zarck wrote: I dont know if i am the only one notice this but the payment in isk for battle it's not enough... average isk for battle is between 200k to 300k . When a prototype dropsuites cost me around 150k each , and aleast you are the baddest ass in the game you get kill more then ones in the whole match so you are no getting any profit of this. I hope anybody else see this the way see it, we need a raise of ISK for battle. Stop being a tool and running proto in pub matches Lol if you don't use proto in PUBs the only you get slammed. I use advanced and basic suits in PUBs. It is rare for me not to run a profit and positive K/D ratio. The only time I lose a profit is when I run a proto heavy suit.
Ripcord19981 KNIGHTZ OF THE ROUND Legacy Rising 412	Posted - 2014.02.05 22:36:00 - [52] - Quote my pub suits are enough so that i can lose 8 suits and still profit. What the hell r u running? I can only please one person per day. Today is not ur day, tomorrow doesn't look too bright either. Turkey sammich>taco
the zarck LATINOS KILLERS CORP The CORVOS 154	Posted - 2014.02.05 22:42:00 - [53] - Quote Aziagarth Haus wrote: the zarck wrote: XEROO COOL wrote: the zarck wrote: I dont know if i am the only one notice this but the payment in isk for battle it's not enough... average isk for battle is between 200k to 300k . When a prototype dropsuites cost me around 150k each , and aleast you are the baddest ass in the game you get kill more then ones in the whole match so you are no getting any profit of this. I hope anybody else see this the way see it, we need a raise of ISK for battle. Stop being a tool and running proto in pub matches Lol if you don't use proto in PUBs the only you get slammed. I use advanced and basic suits in PUBs. It is rare for me not to run a profit and positive K/D ratio. The only time I lose a profit is when I run a proto heavy suit. Yesterday i was playing a Domi and i count 7 sentinels in the letter with logis behind. Ridiculous , no way a Advance or militia squad will hack that letter Director of Latinos Killers Corp [email protected]/ skype "th3zarck"
Sgt Buttscratch 1454	Posted - 2014.02.05 22:43:00 - [54] - Quote oin domination,use starter sniper fit, play terrible = profit I stick my weiner in two buns and and then give it the gas Sour cream from my spleen into Levi jeans
Aziagarth Haus Kinda New here 22	Posted - 2014.02.05 22:45:00 - [55] - Quote the zarck wrote: Aziagarth Haus wrote: the zarck wrote: XEROO COOL wrote: the zarck wrote: I dont know if i am the only one notice this but the payment in isk for battle it's not enough... average isk for battle is between 200k to 300k . When a prototype dropsuites cost me around 150k each , and aleast you are the baddest ass in the game you get kill more then ones in the whole match so you are no getting any profit of this. I hope anybody else see this the way see it, we need a raise of ISK for battle. Stop being a tool and running proto in pub matches Lol if you don't use proto in PUBs the only you get slammed. I use advanced and basic suits in PUBs. It is rare for me not to run a profit and positive K/D ratio. The only time I lose a profit is when I run a proto heavy suit. Yesterday i was playing a Domi and i count 7 sentinels in the letter with logis behind. Ridiculous , no way a Advance or militia squad will hack that letter Regular players will sit there and say that is invincible. Great players will assess the situation, find certain aspects of weaknesses and exploit them. If you know you're not going to win, you might as well make the enemy team bleed in ISK in response. It's the divide between regular players and great players. That being said, great players don't need to run Proto suits to be successful.
Heavenly Daughter the Aurum Grinder and Company 319	Posted - 2014.02.05 22:47:00 - [56] - Quote the zarck wrote: Yesterday i was playing a Domi and i count 7 sentinels in the letter with logis behind. Ridiculous , no way a Advance or militia squad will hack that letter Best thing to do there, is just leave the game and find another. The Organ Grinder & Co. EVE Heavenly Daughter-Merc Records
the zarck LATINOS KILLERS CORP The CORVOS 154	Posted - 2014.02.05 22:49:00 - [57] - Quote Ripcord19981 wrote: my pub suits are enough so that i can lose 8 suits and still profit. What the hell r u running? I just to be Heavy but with this situation i become advance logi. But when you cross to a proto squad in pubs have to use mine Sentinel ak.0 to keep out of been negative at the end Director of Latinos Killers Corp [email protected]/ skype "th3zarck"
MINA Longstrike 2Shitz 1Giggle 239	Posted - 2014.02.05 22:58:00 - [58] - Quote the zarck wrote: Atiim wrote: So basically you want a higher ISK payout so that PRO suits are profitable in PUBs? Seems Legit. Pro suits was just a example . My point is that isn't enough to compensate the losses in battle Learn to budget
The Robot Devil Molon Labe. Public Disorder. 1598	Posted - 2014.02.05 23:04:00 - [59] - Quote the zarck wrote: The Robot Devil wrote: the zarck wrote: XEROO COOL wrote: the zarck wrote: I dont know if i am the only one notice this but the payment in isk for battle it's not enough... average isk for battle is between 200k to 300k . When a prototype dropsuites cost me around 150k each , and aleast you are the baddest ass in the game you get kill more then ones in the whole match so you are no getting any profit of this. I hope anybody else see this the way see it, we need a raise of ISK for battle. Stop being a tool and running proto in pub matches Lol if you don't use proto in PUBs the only you get slammed. Nope, I suck at this game, I don't have proto suits but still have no problem being competitive in advance or even Templar BPOs or in a dragonfly. Play to your strengths and don't engage people unless you think you have a chance. With well placed skills and a couple of good modules even a starter fit does well. I ran starter fits(pure starters) for 6 weeks straight and came away with a good bit of ISK and a better gun game. If you can't do it in an advanced suit then you can't do it. I don't have problems playing with ADV. I have to stop using my Sentinel ak.0 and turn to M1 series A logi just because this situation. Your corp is hardcore, you guys stomp on me all the time. Good job because I never feel like it was anyone's but my fault I died. I hate to say this but really good players are the only players who can spend whatever they like or players that somehow came into a boatload of ISK, either way, good players will always be profitable and bad players will lose ISK. It is supposed to be that way, if the guy is good enough to run top of the line gear then he has the right to and deserves to be able to. I am not saying anyone is not good but wallet management is just another form of pvp and it makes the game better. Let them run proto gear, I make lots more ISK when try-hards use the best, I may get stomped but I loose 50K and make 250K, They lose three suits and they are negative, who won? I rarely lose money because I have fits that cost more or cost less depending on what kind of game I am having. Hit them in them pocket book, it is just another form of winning. All that said, I would like to see a wider gap between winners and losers. To me the ISK difference is too close and does not make the loser feel like they lost and the winner feel like they won. GÇ£No sympathy for the devil; keep that in mind. Buy the ticket, take the ride." Hunter S. Thompson
the zarck LATINOS KILLERS CORP The CORVOS 154	Posted - 2014.02.05 23:17:00 - [60] - Quote Agree with you ... you never see the top mens in the statistics wearing a MLT or ADV or there squads and they do that because they don't have ISK problems ... why? They run into guys like us in battle with MLT or ADV that it's no competition to them so they make flawless victories and great scores and us negative numbers thats the system. Director of Latinos Killers Corp [email protected]/ skype "th3zarck"



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